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Post by royrace on Oct 24, 2024 16:23:35 GMT 1
We've gone from beating Man Utd at home to Bristol Rovers. You can excuse the fans for not going absolutely bananas when we score but I didn't notice it being as subdued as they were hinting at. All this atmosphere crap is starting to annoy me a bit. Duff going on about how good the Wrexham fans are, well I was only watching it on TV but they sounded very quiet to me. It's a weird one this, where the hell has it come from? Whining about the fans again. Do they not learn anything? Each goal was cheered raucously in the KB as per usual. The fact we played quite well also helped. Wrexham fans were very quiet all night and loads of spare seats despite their story. Town fans never stopped singing. The neutral sky commentator said exactly that. If Duff is saying things about fans it just feels like he's being pulled in on last season's lame excuses. Funny but I never heard Warnock whining about the fans, I wonder why? Maybe because he's not an excuses man and understands football. Give fans a team to be proud of and they cheer. The end. Were they expecting a Mexican fucking  because we beat Bristol Rovers or what?!?! |
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Post by Tango on Oct 24, 2024 16:40:21 GMT 1
My understanding of it, having spoken to some of the key people involved around the time it was set up, (just before Covid) was that it is a non-political gathering of people that want the best for Huddersfield (specifically). As in, 'not Kirklees'. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 24, 2024 16:47:12 GMT 1
That was a great diary... the best one yet. When they are together in the same room they are a double act - I'm sure it's not scripted and it's certainly not edited.
1. Talking about Cartwright,
KN: "He's on a diet".
DC: "He is? I hadn't noticed!"
KN: "No! He is... honestly (my italics). DC's eyebrows. say it all."
2. The most lucid point from KN, "There are certain fans that are animated when we don't win and very quiet when we do". PMSL.
3. They understand and have addressed every issue of concern to the supporters in this diary.
4. In the takeover, Dean Hoyle was a very good judge of character.
5. Suggestion. Perhaps the club could show old footage on the big screen before the game... at half time.
6. We don't need music when Town score... just ditties blasted out for fans to follow (e.g. Der, der, der ,der der der, Michael Hefele).
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 24, 2024 17:10:25 GMT 1
I think you need to move seat 🤷♂️ Do you honestly think the atmosphere has been good? We can and have done so much better as fan inside the stadium. It's about time we forgot about asthma season and the one before and look forward for a change. I believe the issue with us is we focus on the past and let it get to us. That doesn't help you, me, anyone. If we can replicate the atmosphere we show away from home, then we won't need clappers, goal music or things like that. At least that way, the fans can't be used in an excuse like Hinted at by Duff last week and then in the diary this week. Yes I honestly do think its been better and more supportive so far this season than it was in the previous 2 seasons a level above. The perceived improved atmosphere at away games compared to home games in my opinion is more to do with people who sit in quieter parts of the ground suddenly being in amongst or relatively near to groups of people making a bit of noise...for a couple thousand of us, the away atmosphere is considerably watered down relative to being at home. Similarly I suspect many away fans visiting Town this season think they've been in amongst a great atmosphere and questioning why they can't have that support at home...when the reality is there's been barely a murmur of "atmosphere" from the admittedly often sparsely populated away end. What I think is actually missing, and it reflects on discussion elsewhere, is we simply don't have a focal point goal scorer who gets the crowd excited and off their feet with expectation when they're simply on the ball. The atmosphere in the parts of the ground where you get regular chants is as good as it can reasonably be with the kind of football we're being served this season (which for the most part is 20 decent entertaining minutes per game, a couple of chances of goals, a few really bad/stupid individual mistakes and 20mins of defensive hanging on)...but for 75% of the crowd, you need that anticipation of excitement to create a murmur and get people up for it. The seasons with good all round atmosphere (ignoring play off campaigns) are those big goal scoring seasons from Karlan Grant, Nahki Wells, Vaughan, Rhodes, Abbott in my recent memory. As things currently stand, a quarter way through the season it'd d be a bit of a surprise and upturn if anyone scored more than 10 goals this season...which is incredible really for a team thats expecting top 6...where's the focus, and where are the hero's for the fans to get behind?? |
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Post by Sio on Oct 24, 2024 17:16:06 GMT 1
If anyone thinks goal music is going to change the atmosphere then they're puddled. It'll genuinely just make it worse. This isn't the USA where everything is artificially driven with loud music and halftime shows.
How long until the club accepts that our diminished atmosphere is because of how fans are feeling? Duff seems to have understood it - why can't Kevin and Dave?
It's not been this poor since pre-Hoyle but it WILL improve, however not through pumping out music over the top of the few moments where the atmosphere organically returns.
Please, please just accept it for what it is right now and focus the attention on building energy on the pitch, in the dugout, and trying to establish a connection between the team, manager and fans. That has completely disappeared and THAT is why there is no atmosphere.
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 24, 2024 17:45:10 GMT 1
Might have been answered akready but wasent the sir Patrick Stewart narrated video what we were playing before home games? Has that stopped?
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 24, 2024 17:50:39 GMT 1
Might have been answered akready but wasent the sir Patrick Stewart narrated video what we were playing before home games? Has that stopped? It seems to have been replaced by the “Everyone together” video pre kickoff. |
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Post by tottz on Oct 24, 2024 17:55:24 GMT 1
As a somewhat vocal critic of you both, I just want to say that I thought that diary was very informative and struck the perfect tone. I do think you're both learning as you go and improving.
Everything off the field sounds very good too. I do think we'll benefit enormously from a good auld American capitalist, not just as a club, but as a town. It's what we're in desperate need of - fresh eyes and that famous American optimism.
The arguing with fans on social media etc is something I'm never going to get on board with. Whilst it might feel good in the moment it does reflectly poorly on us all, and I think you'll agree, distracts you from more important matters.
I remember speaking to Sean Jarvis during our first season in the Premier League and he said he was getting absolute pelters because we were charging £30 for FA Cup 5th round tickets at home to Manchester United.
That was during our most successful period in the past 50 years. A time when we also had the cheapest season tickets in the league by some distance. Point being, people are always going to have something to moan about, all you can do is decide whether to pay attention to them or not
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As a somewhat vocal critic of you both, I just want to say that I thought that diary was very informative and struck the perfect tone. I do think you're both learning as you go and improving. Everything off the field sounds very good too. I do think we'll benefit enormously from a good auld American capitalist, not just as a club, but as a town. It's what we're in desperate need of - fresh eyes and that famous American optimism. The arguing with fans on social media etc is something I'm never going to get on board with. Whilst it might feel good in the moment it does reflectly poorly on us all, and I think you'll agree, distracts you from more important matters. I remember speaking to Sean Jarvis during our first season in the Premier League and he said he was getting absolute pelters because we were charging £30 for FA Cup 5th round tickets at home to Manchester United. That was during our most successful period in the past 50 years. A time when we also had the cheapest season tickets in the league by some distance. Point being, people are always going to have something to moan about, all you can do is decide whether to pay attention to them or not You're not wrong there! I've been saying this for months and not following through but Christ, I can't do this anymore. We're the worst football club in the country to support. Team are useless. Managers are clueless and that American C U Next Tuesday has made us a laughing stock with his antics on social media Ashamed to support this club. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 24, 2024 18:30:37 GMT 1
My first observation is that it would be a shame if these diaries stopped. Communication is never a bad thing and these don't come across as in any way cynical or contrived. I personally wouldn't play too much to the more volatile in social media land. There are many who have concerns but present them in an entirely reasonable and considered manner. I would hope that our recent past, and the opportunity that we failed to take, is accepted as a reason why the fan base are generally sceptical. From a footballing viewpoint, although opinions may differ, we know what we are watching. Things are definitely going in the right direction, I have faith in MD and his staff long term, but we are far from the finished article. I agree with the approach of incremental improvement but perhaps that needs to be the benchmark (as opposed to an immediate to the Championship - as welcome as that would be) that we need to be measured against. I welcome the acknowledgement the perception of Mark Cartwright. I am sure there is extensive data and the work to gather this will not be inconsiderable but it is those that are recruited that will how he, and his department, are judged. It isn't necessarily about the level of investment, although money does talk in football, it is having the ability to find players that will make us better. I do believe that MD won't let others shape his destiny and will be involved in the development process. January isn't a great window to trade in but it might be critical if MC can find the right additions. MC's problem is that he didn't create a good first impression, fairly or not, and you never get another chance to make a first impression. With regard to fan engagement the bottom line is we need a team, and club, we can believe in. David Wagner gave us that and the response from the supporters showed the potential of our club. The fact that wasn't built on is, as I say, is really at the heart of the malaise we are in at the moment. Fan experience needs to improve for sure but when you visit other grounds in this league, and it wasn't better in the Championship, there is room for improvement. What is exciting is the H Town development. As someone who used to enjoy the days of Canalside I am looking forward to see what this offers. Irrespective of fortunes on the pitch I am greatly encouraged by the potential Mr Nagle sees in the club and in the wider community. Leeds isn't far away and has developed positively in the last 10-15 years. Investment has been made in Halifax too. The opportunity to extend that into Kirklees must be investigated and taken. If Town is at the centre of that then that can only be good for the club in the long term. If Mr Nagle makes HTAFC and the town more "investible" in his time as our custodian he'll have done a good job. As for the banter and general tone of the diaries long may that continue. It comes across as genuine, if perhaps a little naive/goofy (deliberately using the USA vernacular). Here's a final suggestion though. There is currently "tea with the chairman" how about "a curry with Dave"? If he really is "Billy no mates" I am sure he could gather together a few fans to go out for a Vindaloo when he is next over. I've come round to the view that we should expect a slow considered evolution. Provided things don't go totally wrong on the pitch, I do agree with Mr Nagle that we may have now turned a corner, then I'll support that. UTT I hope we have turned the corner, but it has been a constant downward slide since the Premiership first season. We can see when we have turned the corner when we are back in the championship, before that happens we are just living in hope. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 24, 2024 18:31:05 GMT 1
As a somewhat vocal critic of you both, I just want to say that I thought that diary was very informative and struck the perfect tone. I do think you're both learning as you go and improving. Everything off the field sounds very good too. I do think we'll benefit enormously from a good auld American capitalist, not just as a club, but as a town. It's what we're in desperate need of - fresh eyes and that famous American optimism. The arguing with fans on social media etc is something I'm never going to get on board with. Whilst it might feel good in the moment it does reflectly poorly on us all, and I think you'll agree, distracts you from more important matters. I remember speaking to Sean Jarvis during our first season in the Premier League and he said he was getting absolute pelters because we were charging £30 for FA Cup 5th round tickets at home to Manchester United. That was during our most successful period in the past 50 years. A time when we also had the cheapest season tickets in the league by some distance. Point being, people are always going to have something to moan about, all you can do is decide whether to pay attention to them or not You're not wrong there! I've been saying this for months and not following through but Christ, I can't do this anymore. We're the worst football club in the country to support. Team are useless. Managers are clueless and that American C U Next Tuesday has made us a laughing stock with his antics on social media Ashamed to support this club. Childish as fk but that made me laugh like an idiot 😂 |
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Post by tottz on Oct 24, 2024 18:31:25 GMT 1
As a somewhat vocal critic of you both, I just want to say that I thought that diary was very informative and struck the perfect tone. I do think you're both learning as you go and improving. Everything off the field sounds very good too. I do think we'll benefit enormously from a good auld American capitalist, not just as a club, but as a town. It's what we're in desperate need of - fresh eyes and that famous American optimism. The arguing with fans on social media etc is something I'm never going to get on board with. Whilst it might feel good in the moment it does reflectly poorly on us all, and I think you'll agree, distracts you from more important matters. I remember speaking to Sean Jarvis during our first season in the Premier League and he said he was getting absolute pelters because we were charging £30 for FA Cup 5th round tickets at home to Manchester United. That was during our most successful period in the past 50 years. A time when we also had the cheapest season tickets in the league by some distance. Point being, people are always going to have something to moan about, all you can do is decide whether to pay attention to them or not You're not wrong there! I've been saying this for months and not following through but Christ, I can't do this anymore. We're the worst football club in the country to support. Team are useless. Managers are clueless and that American C U Next Tuesday has made us a laughing stock with his antics on social media Ashamed to support this club. Hahaha brilliant, yeah some people are right moaning struggle and grunts 🙄 |
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Post by shadwelljim on Oct 24, 2024 19:05:40 GMT 1
I think Dave and our chairman are a blessing for our club. I hope they get the success they deserve, and we as fans appreciate that whilst there with us and not in hindsight!! Utt
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Post by detox on Oct 24, 2024 19:33:34 GMT 1
Fake music to gee up atmosphere or create something leaves me cold .
Moaning about quiet fans who have had a horrendous service provided by the club for many seasons is just bloody insulting.
Why are these decision makers so totally clueless and out of touch.
The club owes it's supporters Big time,and needs to concentrate on making amends and earning respect first of all.
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 24, 2024 19:44:06 GMT 1
The atmosphere will sort itself out if/when we are challenging for the auto spots, and goals feel like they properly matter.
Rightly or wrongly, most folk just aren’t going to get overly excited about scoring against Bristol Rovers, at home, in October, sat outside the playoffs at the time, fresh out of the championship.
It really isn’t any deeper than that IMO.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 24, 2024 19:52:25 GMT 1
My first observation is that it would be a shame if these diaries stopped. Communication is never a bad thing and these don't come across as in any way cynical or contrived. I personally wouldn't play too much to the more volatile in social media land. There are many who have concerns but present them in an entirely reasonable and considered manner. I would hope that our recent past, and the opportunity that we failed to take, is accepted as a reason why the fan base are generally sceptical. From a footballing viewpoint, although opinions may differ, we know what we are watching. Things are definitely going in the right direction, I have faith in MD and his staff long term, but we are far from the finished article. I agree with the approach of incremental improvement but perhaps that needs to be the benchmark (as opposed to an immediate to the Championship - as welcome as that would be) that we need to be measured against. I welcome the acknowledgement the perception of Mark Cartwright. I am sure there is extensive data and the work to gather this will not be inconsiderable but it is those that are recruited that will how he, and his department, are judged. It isn't necessarily about the level of investment, although money does talk in football, it is having the ability to find players that will make us better. I do believe that MD won't let others shape his destiny and will be involved in the development process. January isn't a great window to trade in but it might be critical if MC can find the right additions. MC's problem is that he didn't create a good first impression, fairly or not, and you never get another chance to make a first impression. With regard to fan engagement the bottom line is we need a team, and club, we can believe in. David Wagner gave us that and the response from the supporters showed the potential of our club. The fact that wasn't built on is, as I say, is really at the heart of the malaise we are in at the moment. Fan experience needs to improve for sure but when you visit other grounds in this league, and it wasn't better in the Championship, there is room for improvement. What is exciting is the H Town development. As someone who used to enjoy the days of Canalside I am looking forward to see what this offers. Irrespective of fortunes on the pitch I am greatly encouraged by the potential Mr Nagle sees in the club and in the wider community. Leeds isn't far away and has developed positively in the last 10-15 years. Investment has been made in Halifax too. The opportunity to extend that into Kirklees must be investigated and taken. If Town is at the centre of that then that can only be good for the club in the long term. If Mr Nagle makes HTAFC and the town more "investible" in his time as our custodian he'll have done a good job. As for the banter and general tone of the diaries long may that continue. It comes across as genuine, if perhaps a little naive/goofy (deliberately using the USA vernacular). Here's a final suggestion though. There is currently "tea with the chairman" how about "a curry with Dave"? If he really is "Billy no mates" I am sure he could gather together a few fans to go out for a Vindaloo when he is next over. I've come round to the view that we should expect a slow considered evolution. Provided things don't go totally wrong on the pitch, I do agree with Mr Nagle that we may have now turned a corner, then I'll support that. UTT I hope we have turned the corner, but it has been a constant downward slide since the Premiership first season. We can see when we have turned the corner when we are back in the championship, before that happens we are just living in hope. I was referring to this season. The bigger picture will take some time to become clear. |
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Oct 24, 2024 19:56:42 GMT 1
Listen. Charlton are selling Half and half scarves for the Wrexham game. I don’t care how good or bad the diary is. At least we aren’t doing that.
And Dave / Kev if you’re reading this…don’t …ever…do….that
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Post by dugnet on Oct 24, 2024 19:58:45 GMT 1
Fake music to gee up atmosphere or create something leaves me cold . Moaning about quiet fans who have had a horrendous service provided by the club for many seasons is just bloody insulting. Why are these decision makers so totally clueless and out of touch. The club owes it's supporters Big time,and needs to concentrate on making amends and earning respect first of all. The basis of your point is correct but I don't think those in charge deserve as an aggressive response (but I do get the frustration). I do agree that those in charge do need to think about things in the round. It isn't actually that difficult to understand. We are desperate for something to believe in but most are yet to be convinced. Mr Nagle and team shouldn't be downhearted at that but they could be a little more empathetic to the mood. If things continue to pick up fans will support the club. At the moment that confidence (in the club) is very fragile. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 24, 2024 20:00:41 GMT 1
Listen. Charlton are selling Half and half scarves for the Wrexham game. I don’t care how good or bad the diary is. At least we aren’t doing that. And Dave / Kev if you’re reading this…don’t …ever…do….that They're doing what? I can't imagine that will go down well in South London. The Millwall and Palace fans will be pissing themselves. Wrexham aren't worthy of a half and half  with Chester! |
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Post by monkbar on Oct 24, 2024 20:03:04 GMT 1
We're used to playing Southampton, Leeds, Stoke etc, excuse me if I don't walk into the ground feeling energised for Shrewsbury Town.
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 24, 2024 20:05:29 GMT 1
Patience.
That’s what KN is now saying.
Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club.
It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up.
Once more KN backtracks ……..
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Post by henryc on Oct 24, 2024 20:12:53 GMT 1
Patience. That’s what KN is now saying. Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club. It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up. Once more KN backtracks …….. Probably best learning how to look at pictures first Dunc. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 24, 2024 20:23:02 GMT 1
Patience. That’s what KN is now saying. Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club. It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up. Once more KN backtracks …….. Probably best learning how to look at pictures first Dunc. For sure, but I’m not running the club. I didn’t like the diary. It has an “air” of patronising. The one position that massively needed addressing, didn’t happen. That’s a fail. |
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Post by isitjustme on Oct 24, 2024 20:24:20 GMT 1
I do quite enjoy these diaries, but with a huge sense of needing to take all that is said with a generous pinch of salt. I try to not become too angered if something is said that I disagree with. Equally do I not get over excited at anything too positive. The audience to these diaries are varied in their position to HTAFC. And so I assume there's an awful lot of watching p's and q's with anything that is covered. So I will continue to watch.....with a large handful of salt.
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Post by royrace on Oct 24, 2024 20:34:08 GMT 1
Great diary chaps, thankyou!! A few points from my perspective.
Don't mention noise from fans,I don't know what MD has said but I'd say whoever is pushing that narrative is not a healthy presence around the club.
Please ignore the negative and rude people that give you grief on social media, it's a miniscule fraction and should be ignored, certainly not worth airtime on your diaries.
There will be moaning and groaning, lots of it will be very valid, lots not, but there's no excuse for abuse. Hopefully you can sort the wheat from the chaff but why even mention the chaff would be my viewpoint.
The indoor fan thing sounds brilliant and if done right should be a huge success. I think a lot of us will happily spend money there rather than in the pubs of Huddersfield, Costa, McDonald's etc.
Hate the idea of goal music and I don't think it will bring much to the atmosphere. In fact it will cement our status as a lower league team. Clappers on the other hand are a great idea imp, kids love them as do some of the adults and they always up the noise level. I'm sure there's other stuff too, goal music though just feels a bit lower leagues.
In the interests of not trying to reinvent the wheel, I hope the club are studying what other clubs do. Brighton for example on and off the pitch seem to get everything right. Palace seem to consistently produce a brilliant atmosphere, there are plenty of examples I'm sure.
Hope you manage to squeeze in your well earned fish,chips, curry and Marstens Dave!
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Oct 24, 2024 20:35:28 GMT 1
Patience. That’s what KN is now saying. Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club. It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up. Once more KN backtracks …….. Any positive points to make? |
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Post by seasonticket on Oct 24, 2024 20:50:08 GMT 1
Patience. That’s what KN is now saying. Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club. It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up. Once more KN backtracks …….. Maybe it’s time for you to ‘backtrack’ - without KN’s financial input this club would not exist and you’d have nothing to continually complain about…. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 24, 2024 20:54:44 GMT 1
Patience. That’s what KN is now saying. Changed his tune from premier league in three years. I wish I could understand why a billionaire has bought our club. It’s clear he didn’t want to spend and give us the pace and quality required up front. I genuinely believe if we had that we would go up. Once more KN backtracks …….. Maybe it’s time for you to ‘backtrack’ - without KN’s financial input this club would not exist and you’d have nothing to continually complain about…. I mean, it definitely would |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 24, 2024 21:46:06 GMT 1
We're used to playing Southampton, Leeds, Stoke etc, excuse me if I don't walk into the ground feeling energised for Shrewsbury Town. I think this is it for a lot of fans. How many exciting home fixtures do we have this season? Maybe Wrexham but other than that? I don’t turn up expecting us to roll everyone over and I know some of these games will be hard but in terms of exciting fixtures to look forward to, there isn’t much doing. |
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Post by rphyorks on Oct 24, 2024 22:23:53 GMT 1
Hate the idea of goal music and I don't think it will bring much to the atmosphere. In fact it will cement our status as a lower league team. Clappers on the other hand are a great idea imp, kids love them as do some of the adults and they always up the noise level. I'm sure there's other stuff too, goal music though just feels a bit lower leagues. I would sooner have music, something that we can relate to ( eg, "those were the days my friend" ) than those bleeding clappers, not done many surveys myself, but how many so called bigger clubs, fill their grounds with clappers. waste of a tree. not having our own end to ourselves has always been my view of the problem with atmosphere, |
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because we beat Bristol Rovers or what?!?! 
with Chester!
