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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 16, 2024 13:03:25 GMT 1
Someone who won't hold the attacking players back. Southgate was a defender when he played, and it told I wish we would go all out attack for one game, so we can get our arses handed to us. I wish we could have as many players left up the pitch in open play as the mighty Slovenia and Slovakia and the mightier, serbia and switzerland had. Nobody ever demanded gung ho tactics, other than the other night when a goal down with seconds left. We lost because Spain worked harder man for man and spent longer in the game actively trying to win it. Waiting for the one moment of inspiration meant we were losing when it came, the most pressure we put on spain was after we went behind again. The backing off after equalising was so obvious it hurt to watch it. Were we hoping to have another 'moment' in extra time or wait for penalties.?? We got neither.. |
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Post by Towner47 on Jul 16, 2024 13:15:48 GMT 1
Steve Cooper my choice .Good track record with you players
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Post by irverino on Jul 16, 2024 13:24:44 GMT 1
Kevin Keegan's England side were 2-0 up in both the group games they lost 3-2 at Euro2000.....We need Gareth Keegan or Kevin Southgate? No they weren’t. Let me guess 2-1 up v Romania? Defo 2-0 up v Portugal......I remember the song 'If the Neville's can play for England so can I'. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 16, 2024 13:29:11 GMT 1
I guess IF there is a new manager the expectation for 2026 and so on will be to at least match Southgate's achievements but in a more eye catching manner? That’s the big question. What if we get someone who plays amazing football but we don’t get passed a quarter final. As Southgate has shown, tournament football is all about winning games not how you play. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2024 13:40:26 GMT 1
I wish we would go all out attack for one game, so we can get our arses handed to us. I wish we could have as many players left up the pitch in open play as the mighty Slovenia and Slovakia and the mightier, serbia and switzerland had. Nobody ever demanded gung ho tactics, other than the other night when a goal down with seconds left. We lost because Spain worked harder man for man and spent longer in the game actively trying to win it. Waiting for the one moment of inspiration meant we were losing when it came, the most pressure we put on spain was after we went behind again. The backing off after equalising was so obvious it hurt to watch it. Were we hoping to have another 'moment' in extra time or wait for penalties.?? We got neither.. Cup and tournament football isn’t about flair, it’s about getting through. How far did the mighty Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia and Swiss get? They would have given anything to swap places with us for a place in the final. But they didn’t. But at least they had loads going forward. We lost to Spain because they are the best team in Europe, in my opinion. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 16, 2024 13:43:32 GMT 1
I guess IF there is a new manager the expectation for 2026 and so on will be to at least match Southgate's achievements but in a more eye catching manner? That’s the big question. What if we get someone who plays amazing football but we don’t get passed a quarter final. As Southgate has shown, tournament football is all about winning games not how you play. We drew four games and lost the final. We only beat Serbia and Netherlands in normal time. I know you’ve still got to win in extra time and pens, but surely it’s not beyond expectations to beat Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia and Switzerland with the squad we had available? |
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Post by ballbag91 on Jul 16, 2024 14:08:45 GMT 1
I guess IF there is a new manager the expectation for 2026 and so on will be to at least match Southgate's achievements but in a more eye catching manner? That is exactly the bar Southgate has set. For all his doubters, to actually be better than Southgate means one of two things: Win a tournament. Get to a final playing attacking, exciting football. Both/either are extremely difficult. Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent side |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2024 14:34:29 GMT 1
That is exactly the bar Southgate has set. For all his doubters, to actually be better than Southgate means one of two things: Win a tournament. Get to a final playing attacking, exciting football. Both/either are extremely difficult. Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent side The only decent team Italy beat in 90 minutes to get to Euro 2020 final was Belgium. The only decent team Argentina beat in 90 minutes to get to the 2022 World Cup final was Croatia. You can look at many teams routes to the finals and find easy routes. Southgate is always going to divide opinion. I personally think now is the right time for him to move on. I don’t think we should underestimate the passion he has brought back to supporting England. Not the players, Southgate. We’ve always had good players. Some managers have drained the life out of me. From 2003 up to Southgate England were crap, really crap, with decent players. |
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jul 16, 2024 14:48:24 GMT 1
Please let it not be Eddie Howe.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 16, 2024 15:04:30 GMT 1
Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent side The only decent team Italy beat in 90 minutes to get to Euro 2020 final was Belgium. The only decent team Argentina beat in 90 minutes to get to the 2022 World Cup final was Croatia. You can look at many teams routes to the finals and find easy routes. Southgate is always going to divide opinion. I personally think now is the right time for him to move on. I don’t think we should underestimate the passion he has brought back to supporting England. Not the players, Southgate. We’ve always had good players. Some managers have drained the life out of me. From 2003 up to Southgate England were crap, really crap, with decent players. Spot on. Definitely time for a fresh change and do feel Southgate’s downfall this tournament was not knowing his best team and system going into the tournament, and even the knockouts. That being said, he has given us a time to believe again and his record in the major tournaments have massively improved. Football is a simple game on paper, but fans don’t respect that there is far much more detail that goes into it, and for that I don’t think Southgate gets the respect he deserves. |
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Post by alex on Jul 16, 2024 15:13:03 GMT 1
Warnock..."kane you're a fucking carthorse....fuck off".."Toney, I'm bringing you on.. don't fucking fuck about"..."Trent, stop fucking around in midfield...you're a fucking right back..if you fucking get turned again you're fucking off".
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2024 15:28:09 GMT 1
That’s the big question. What if we get someone who plays amazing football but we don’t get passed a quarter final. As Southgate has shown, tournament football is all about winning games not how you play. We drew four games and lost the final. We only beat Serbia and Netherlands in normal time. I know you’ve still got to win in extra time and pens, but surely it’s not beyond expectations to beat Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia and Switzerland with the squad we had available? They did beat those teams though. |
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2024 15:29:51 GMT 1
Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent side The only decent team Italy beat in 90 minutes to get to Euro 2020 final was Belgium. The only decent team Argentina beat in 90 minutes to get to the 2022 World Cup final was Croatia. You can look at many teams routes to the finals and find easy routes. Southgate is always going to divide opinion. I personally think now is the right time for him to move on. I don’t think we should underestimate the passion he has brought back to supporting England. Not the players, Southgate. We’ve always had good players. Some managers have drained the life out of me. From 2003 up to Southgate England were crap, really crap, with decent players. 👏 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2024 15:36:04 GMT 1
That is exactly the bar Southgate has set. For all his doubters, to actually be better than Southgate means one of two things: Win a tournament. Get to a final playing attacking, exciting football. Both/either are extremely difficult. Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent side Why were the dutch under par? We also beat Switzerland who were a very good side..at least as good as Germany and a damned site better than Italy. And id fancy Slovakia to beat Croatia at the moment. We lost to Spain, the best side in the tournament, by a goal that was about 1 centimetre onside. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 16, 2024 15:48:00 GMT 1
We drew four games and lost the final. We only beat Serbia and Netherlands in normal time. I know you’ve still got to win in extra time and pens, but surely it’s not beyond expectations to beat Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia and Switzerland with the squad we had available? They did beat those teams though. Well, two of em, yeah. We didn't beat Denmark or Slovenia. Maybe I set my expectations too high on not needing a last gasp equaliser and extra time to beat Slovakia. |
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Post by rockwall on Jul 16, 2024 15:48:16 GMT 1
Please let it not be Eddie Howe. Just another walking talking FA manual. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 16, 2024 16:18:51 GMT 1
I wish we could have as many players left up the pitch in open play as the mighty Slovenia and Slovakia and the mightier, serbia and switzerland had. Nobody ever demanded gung ho tactics, other than the other night when a goal down with seconds left. We lost because Spain worked harder man for man and spent longer in the game actively trying to win it. Waiting for the one moment of inspiration meant we were losing when it came, the most pressure we put on spain was after we went behind again. The backing off after equalising was so obvious it hurt to watch it. Were we hoping to have another 'moment' in extra time or wait for penalties.?? We got neither.. Cup and tournament football isn’t about flair, it’s about getting through. How far did the mighty Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia and Swiss get? They would have given anything to swap places with us for a place in the final. But they didn’t. But at least they had loads going forward. We lost to Spain because they are the best team in Europe, in my opinion. Which is why some teams, eg the great Brazilian sides, are held in high regard as they managed to do both. |
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Post by irverino on Jul 16, 2024 17:21:02 GMT 1
Although Newcastle United have said that manager Eddie Howe is going nowhere, the money appears to be coming in for him with the bookmakers having started @9/2 now co fav @5/2......BBC poll currently shows Howe in 2nd (20%) behind Klopp (30%), both would be an expensive option for the FA.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2024 18:26:10 GMT 1
They did beat those teams though. Well, two of em, yeah. We didn't beat Denmark or Slovenia. Maybe I set my expectations too high on not needing a last gasp equaliser and extra time to beat Slovakia. We didn't beat Wednesday or Reading on the play offs and has a negative goal difference. Still ended up in the PL. I just think England would not have done any better under any other manager. Might have been more entertaining I agree. |
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2024 18:29:51 GMT 1
Cup and tournament football isn’t about flair, it’s about getting through. How far did the mighty Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia and Swiss get? They would have given anything to swap places with us for a place in the final. But they didn’t. But at least they had loads going forward. We lost to Spain because they are the best team in Europe, in my opinion. Which is why some teams, eg the great Brazilian sides, are held in high regard as they managed to do both. Brazil are currently only the 4th best team in South America, which is probably lower standard than Europe these days. |
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Post by irverino on Jul 16, 2024 18:45:07 GMT 1
DM is 50/1 (surely a wind up), especially when Powell & JFH are 100/1......Unless someone at the FA is ITK?
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 16, 2024 19:48:21 GMT 1
That is exactly the bar Southgate has set. For all his doubters, to actually be better than Southgate means one of two things: Win a tournament. Get to a final playing attacking, exciting football. Both/either are extremely difficult. Last 3 tournaments we have had a relatively easy way through to the finals or semis. Spanish beat Italians, Germans, Croatians, the French and finally English. We beat a under par Dutch side. Southgate has being great at uniting to the squad. But always falls short against a decent sideAcross his reign, the one thing Southgate did have was incredible luck with the side of the draw we fell into at tournaments, always avoiding the big football nations initially. England usually beat exactly who you'd expect us to beat - the exception being Croatia in 2018 (who we should have beaten but were outplayed by and lost, with Southgate's reactive substitutions rather than proactive partly to blame). We always lost to the teams who you'd expect us to lose to - Belgium, Italy, France, Spain - the exceptions being Germany (won vs the poorest German side we've seen at euro 2020) and the Netherlands last week (,also a team significantly below their usual footballing standards). When Palmer scored the equaliser on Sunday, we had the wind in our sails. Southgate must have then instructed the team to drop back, play for the draw, be careful, don't attack etc. Infuriating. Still hurting. Glad he's gone, but I don't trust that the FA will appoint anyone other than a yes man. |
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Post by E4b on Jul 16, 2024 20:00:58 GMT 1
Warnock & Rocket will do for me! One last gig!
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Jul 16, 2024 20:24:34 GMT 1
What about a 3 man tean of, Keane, Neville and Wright. They seem to have all the answers. Pugatch as a water boy.
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Jul 16, 2024 20:25:33 GMT 1
What about a 3 man team of, Keane, Neville and Wright. They seem to have all the answers. Pugatch as a water boy.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jul 16, 2024 20:47:59 GMT 1
Ange Postecoglou. Would be my choice.
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 16, 2024 21:01:28 GMT 1
Cup and tournament football isn’t about flair, it’s about getting through. How far did the mighty Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia and Swiss get? They would have given anything to swap places with us for a place in the final. But they didn’t. But at least they had loads going forward. We lost to Spain because they are the best team in Europe, in my opinion. Which is why some teams, eg the great Brazilian sides, are held in high regard as they managed to do both. Not now they don’t. The “Brazil” way died a couple of tournaments ago. Now they don’t do either. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 16, 2024 21:06:53 GMT 1
Well, two of em, yeah. We didn't beat Denmark or Slovenia. Maybe I set my expectations too high on not needing a last gasp equaliser and extra time to beat Slovakia. We didn't beat Wednesday or Reading on the play offs and has a negative goal difference. Still ended up in the PL. I just think England would not have done any better under any other manager. Might have been more entertaining I agree. Ha, that was on the back of an amazing season where we challenged Newcastle and Brighton for automatic promotion. Certainly didn’t bore our way to the final, or rely on luck, did we? Maybe you’re right, we’ll never know. For me, Southgate lost us that final against Italy by sitting on a lead and waiting for them to score before changing it up. Spain wasn’t quite as bad, as they were better than us throughout, but once we got the goal it didn’t take long until we sat back and started whacking it long again rather than taking the initiative. It’s quite clear that he is very cautious in his approach and that will always hold us back against the big teams who tend to go for the kill when put in similar situations. If the aim is to get over that hurdle and win a tournament then Southgate just isn’t the guy. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 16, 2024 21:09:40 GMT 1
Pep in a year , Carsley interim watch this space
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Post by Dan on Jul 16, 2024 21:11:16 GMT 1
Eni Aluko for me
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