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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 18:08:50 GMT 1
What? Dominated by outdated and entrenched bigoted views? Yeah, I suppose you are right. 😂 Well gender cant be outdated and bigoted as DNA is not capable of mindless stupidity, as for fake Irish patriotism that's a matter of opinion. Maybe read what I wrote rather than jump on your high horse. I was talking about ‘views’ and especially those who spout their polemical views and expect to not be challenged. Back to Carsley. Exactly what is it that makes you assume he is ‘fake’? I’ll be honest, I know little about his background other than he had a decent career and represented Ireland quite a few times. I certainly have no insight in to how he feels about his origin or national identity. I assume you don’t either, which makes the fake attack totally disingenuous. The absolute easiest thing in the world would have been for him to sing the stupid anthem. Maybe he was naïve but then again maybe he actually feels Irish. Surely he is allowed to feel that way? |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 16, 2024 18:39:52 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee.
Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2024 18:48:25 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. Completely opposite political views kind of denies it mate tbh |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 16, 2024 18:54:53 GMT 1
Well gender cant be outdated and bigoted as DNA is not capable of mindless stupidity, as for fake Irish patriotism that's a matter of opinion. Maybe read what I wrote rather than jump on your high horse. I was talking about ‘views’ and especially those who spout their polemical views and expect to not be challenged. Back to Carsley. Exactly what is it that makes you assume he is ‘fake’? I’ll be honest, I know little about his background other than he had a decent career and represented Ireland quite a few times. I certainly have no insight in to how he feels about his origin or national identity. I assume you don’t either, which makes the fake attack totally disingenuous. The absolute easiest thing in the world would have been for him to sing the stupid anthem. Maybe he was naïve but then again maybe he actually feels Irish. Surely he is allowed to feel that way? Challenge away but before you do remember DNA the precursor of gender is an organic molecule incapable of any kind of polemic. As for that fake patriotic polemic feelings don't change the fact Birmingham is in England and refusing to sing the national anthem of the country you were born in is nothing but crass gesture politics. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 16, 2024 18:55:26 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. Completely opposite political views kind of denies it mate tbh Yeah was a little tongue in cheek. Very similar traits but suppose we all have our similarities with certain people. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 16, 2024 18:57:59 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. I am Lee, who is Lee. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 19:51:35 GMT 1
Maybe read what I wrote rather than jump on your high horse. I was talking about ‘views’ and especially those who spout their polemical views and expect to not be challenged. Back to Carsley. Exactly what is it that makes you assume he is ‘fake’? I’ll be honest, I know little about his background other than he had a decent career and represented Ireland quite a few times. I certainly have no insight in to how he feels about his origin or national identity. I assume you don’t either, which makes the fake attack totally disingenuous. The absolute easiest thing in the world would have been for him to sing the stupid anthem. Maybe he was naïve but then again maybe he actually feels Irish. Surely he is allowed to feel that way? Challenge away but before you do remember DNA the precursor of gender is an organic molecule incapable of any kind of polemic. As for that fake patriotic polemic feelings don't change the fact Birmingham is in England and refusing to sing the national anthem of the country you were born in is nothing but crass gesture politics. I’m not even talking about DNA; seemingly, that’s your speciality. Your other stuff is just utter nonsense, you are just making stuff up. Within reason, people can assume whatever national allegiance they like; that’s up to them as we don’t live in Maoist China and it’s the year 2024. By your strange argument, next you will saying that only people born in Huddersfield can support Town! 😂 |
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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 19:56:33 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. It better not be! I took a yellow for him and others last week! 😂 It’s someone on a wind up. I suppose it could be Mrs Slapps! 😂 |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 16, 2024 20:01:48 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. It better not be! I took a yellow for him and others last week! 😂 It’s someone on a wind up. I suppose it could be Mrs Slapps! 😂 Right after you had given yourself a pat on the back for never getting a yellow 😂 the timing was incredible |
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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 20:02:36 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. I am Lee, who is Lee. It’s a bloke who used to be a woman, born in the Scottish Borders and the fake refuses to sing either flower of Scotland or god save our big ears. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 20:05:16 GMT 1
It better not be! I took a yellow for him and others last week! 😂 It’s someone on a wind up. I suppose it could be Mrs Slapps! 😂 Right after you had given yourself a pat on the back for never getting a yellow 😂 the timing was incredible Tbf I was saying how can you not have a yellow as I’ve had a good few sadly! 😂 PS: shouldn’t get a yellow for saying that admins delete posts that question them. That’s what grim got binned for as well. |
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Post by Amigo on Oct 16, 2024 20:16:36 GMT 1
Maybe read what I wrote rather than jump on your high horse. I was talking about ‘views’ and especially those who spout their polemical views and expect to not be challenged. Back to Carsley. Exactly what is it that makes you assume he is ‘fake’? I’ll be honest, I know little about his background other than he had a decent career and represented Ireland quite a few times. I certainly have no insight in to how he feels about his origin or national identity. I assume you don’t either, which makes the fake attack totally disingenuous. The absolute easiest thing in the world would have been for him to sing the stupid anthem. Maybe he was naïve but then again maybe he actually feels Irish. Surely he is allowed to feel that way? Challenge away but before you do remember DNA the precursor of gender is an organic molecule incapable of any kind of polemic. As for that fake patriotic polemic feelings don't change the fact Birmingham is in England and refusing to sing the national anthem of the country you were born in is nothing but crass gesture politics. I've been trying to make sense of your posts on this but I'm a bit lost. Are you saying you can only have an affiliation to the country you are born in? Loads of players and managers have played for and managed other countries, people can have an affiliation to 2 countries. It's like saying you can't love a person from another family. He's never sung a national anthem either as a player or manager, why does he have to? Plus it's a shit one anyway. Rooney didn't always, TAA has missed it before, Gary Neville refused to because he was told to. There will be loads more, does it matter? I can't see the point you're trying to poorly make. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 16, 2024 20:24:46 GMT 1
Challenge away but before you do remember DNA the precursor of gender is an organic molecule incapable of any kind of polemic. As for that fake patriotic polemic feelings don't change the fact Birmingham is in England and refusing to sing the national anthem of the country you were born in is nothing but crass gesture politics. I've been trying to make sense of your posts on this but I'm a bit lost. Are you saying you can only have an affiliation to the country you are born in? Loads of players and managers have played for and managed other countries, people can have an affiliation to 2 countries. It's like saying you can't love a person from another family. He's never sung a national anthem either as a player or manager, why does he have to? Plus it's a shit one anyway. Rooney didn't always, TAA has missed it before, Gary Neville refused to because he was told to. There will be loads more, does it matter? I can't see the point you're trying to poorly make. It’s crass gesture politics apparently. What does that even mean? It started as ‘fake’ and I thought the poster was going down the plastic paddy road but it’s morphed into this strange political rant. I’m now picturing Lee Carsley thinking about what political stunt he can pull in the next series of England games! 😂 |
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Post by Perardua on Oct 16, 2024 23:00:10 GMT 1
I've been trying to make sense of your posts on this but I'm a bit lost. Are you saying you can only have an affiliation to the country you are born in? Loads of players and managers have played for and managed other countries, people can have an affiliation to 2 countries. It's like saying you can't love a person from another family. He's never sung a national anthem either as a player or manager, why does he have to? Plus it's a shit one anyway. Rooney didn't always, TAA has missed it before, Gary Neville refused to because he was told to. There will be loads more, does it matter? I can't see the point you're trying to poorly make. It’s crass gesture politics apparently. What does that even mean? It started as ‘fake’ and I thought the poster was going down the plastic paddy road but it’s morphed into this strange political rant. I’m now picturing Lee Carsley thinking about what political stunt he can pull in the next series of England games! 😂 I've been getting a bit lost on this as well, i cant see anywhere anyone mentioning 'fake irish patriotism' until the poster did and I'm wondering what brought this on, has Carsley been spotted singing irish rebel songs somewhere, as far as i'm aware he didn't sing Amhrán na bhFiann when he represented Ireland either but then again he probably didn't know it.  |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 17, 2024 0:27:01 GMT 1
It’s crass gesture politics apparently. What does that even mean? It started as ‘fake’ and I thought the poster was going down the plastic paddy road but it’s morphed into this strange political rant. I’m now picturing Lee Carsley thinking about what political stunt he can pull in the next series of England games! 😂 I've been getting a bit lost on this as well, i cant see anywhere anyone mentioning 'fake irish patriotism' until the poster did and I'm wondering what brought this on, has Carsley been spotted singing irish rebel songs somewhere, as far as i'm aware he didn't sing Amhrán na bhFiann when he represented Ireland either but then again he probably didn't know it. Apparently ldr like the Irish does know what fake Irish patriotism means, something to do with a plastic paddy. As for your guy Carsley and the Amhrán na bhFiann, you mean he is lined up with the Irish squad but doesn't know they're singing the Irish national anthem. I get some don't like the national anthem, I don't but it is what it is . Here's the thing though they like the money so grow up shut up and sing the bloody thing. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 17, 2024 7:47:48 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. Not according to him mate, I’m friends on Fakebook with him n he said he’s not fussed about coming back on here |
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Post by mosher on Oct 17, 2024 7:49:58 GMT 1
Challenge away but before you do remember DNA the precursor of gender is an organic molecule incapable of any kind of polemic. As for that fake patriotic polemic feelings don't change the fact Birmingham is in England and refusing to sing the national anthem of the country you were born in is nothing but crass gesture politics. I’m not even talking about DNA; seemingly, that’s your speciality. Your other stuff is just utter nonsense, you are just making stuff up. Within reason, people can assume whatever national allegiance they like; that’s up to them as we don’t live in Maoist China and it’s the year 2024. By your strange argument, next you will saying that only people born in Huddersfield can support Town! 😂 My sister would be fkd, she was born In Germany but is 100% British 😂 |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 17, 2024 8:19:42 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. I am Lee, who is Lee. I am the walrus Goo goo g' joob |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 17, 2024 8:57:12 GMT 1
I’m not even talking about DNA; seemingly, that’s your speciality. Your other stuff is just utter nonsense, you are just making stuff up. Within reason, people can assume whatever national allegiance they like; that’s up to them as we don’t live in Maoist China and it’s the year 2024. By your strange argument, next you will saying that only people born in Huddersfield can support Town! 😂 My sister would be fkd, she was born In Germany but is 100% British 😂 I was born in Huddersfield mosh but I've an Italian passport. ldr come on get real people can support whoever they like but they can't just assume whatever national identity they like even in the EU. I don't know what Maoist China (Mao is dead incidentally) or the date as to do with anything but that's your bag. I didn't say only people born in Huddersfield can support Town, you did. The prawn sandwich fan or the glory hunter can support multiple teams if they wish, it was you though who changed the argument to its OK to have multiple national or sporting allegiances. I was talking about the fact it's crass and hypocritical to take the Kings shilling but refuse to sing the national anthem. I think you will find most people who work for a living don't like some aspect of their job but they don't throw their toys out the pram they get on with it or they get sacked. |
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Post by ram on Oct 17, 2024 9:57:51 GMT 1
Talking about Italian women,I am friends with Camila Georgi {The most glam Tennis player ever!}
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 17, 2024 10:17:35 GMT 1
I am the walrus Goo goo g' joob I am Brian And so is my wife. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Oct 17, 2024 11:15:19 GMT 1
Talking about Italian women,I am friends with Camila Georgi {The most glam Tennis player ever!} Is this an Otium ouija board message? Reads like it. God bless, Ron. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 17, 2024 11:34:42 GMT 1
If Im manager of Germany playing England in the World Cup Final, can I simply put aside my Englishness ?? If I can, there does not seem to be any real point in playing International matches?? What are we playing them for if its not for National pride or England winning against foreign teams?? We beat Finland the other night, does it really matter, should we just not play these games for entertainment value or to bring countries 'together' in sporting events, where its the 'taking part' that matters?? The Greeks and their press certainly didnt think so?? The Manager is apparently as important or maybe more important than thè players, so his influence is considered vital??? Is money or reputation enough for a German manager to do everything he can to beat a German national side in a big game?? It shouldnt be, should it?  🤔 Or is it just a game??? |
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Post by Amigo on Oct 17, 2024 12:19:03 GMT 1
My sister would be fkd, she was born In Germany but is 100% British 😂 I was born in Huddersfield mosh but I've an Italian passport. ldr come on get real people can support whoever they like but they can't just assume whatever national identity they like even in the EU. I don't know what Maoist China (Mao is dead incidentally) or the date as to do with anything but that's your bag. I didn't say only people born in Huddersfield can support Town, you did. The prawn sandwich fan or the glory hunter can support multiple teams if they wish, it was you though who changed the argument to its OK to have multiple national or sporting allegiances. I was talking about the fact it's crass and hypocritical to take the Kings shilling but refuse to sing the national anthem. I think you will find most people who work for a living don't like some aspect of their job but they don't throw their toys out the pram they get on with it or they get sacked.   Such a daft argument, "he gets paid so he should sing", he's there to win a football match he's not one of the 3 tenors does anybody actually care if someone sings a crappy anthem or not?! Maybe his next prematch press conference he should start off with a rendition of Vindaloo or Three lions and follow it up by making sure he sings the national anthem at the top of his voice before the start of the next game then that'll prove how much he wants to win... |
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Post by cyberman on Oct 17, 2024 12:23:42 GMT 1
I swear katiem is Lee. Also, on thread, to do better than Southgate means winning an actual tournament. Anything less is not an improvement. I am Lee, who is Lee. Im Ronnie Polemic Pickering (anyone who uses the word polemic is a **** ) |
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Post by cyberman on Oct 17, 2024 12:25:20 GMT 1
Talking about Italian women,I am friends with Camila Georgi {The most glam Tennis player ever!}Is this an Otium ouija board message? Reads like it. God bless, Ron. Not a patch on Sharapova ! |
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Post by Amigo on Oct 17, 2024 12:27:14 GMT 1
If Im manager of Germany playing England in the World Cup Final, can I simply put aside my Englishness ?? If I can, there does not seem to be any real point in playing International matches?? What are we playing them for if its not for National pride or England winning against foreign teams?? We beat Finland the other night, does it really matter, should we just not play these games for entertainment value or to bring countries 'together' in sporting events, where its the 'taking part' that matters?? The Greeks and their press certainly didnt think so?? The Manager is apparently as important or maybe more important than thè players, so his influence is considered vital??? Is money or reputation enough for a German manager to do everything he can to beat a German national side in a big game?? It shouldnt be, should it? 🤔 Or is it just a game??? I think this is a fair point but also one about how much international football means to people because I think everyone is different. Personally if I'd got my German team to the semi finals of the world cup I'd have no problem knocking England out. It's my job and I've developed relationships with these players I probably don't have with the England players. However, if I'd got say Bradford to the play off semi final I'd find it extremely difficult being happy beating Huddersfield (pretty sure I'd be playing the kids and putting the smallest player in goal!). I'm not sure nationality means as much anymore to a lot of people (not all, or even most, but a lot) as people travel more and mix more with other nationalities. I enjoy watching the World Cup but because of the different players and teams and not necessarily because England might win. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 17, 2024 12:38:47 GMT 1
If Im manager of Germany playing England in the World Cup Final, can I simply put aside my Englishness ?? If I can, there does not seem to be any real point in playing International matches?? What are we playing them for if its not for National pride or England winning against foreign teams?? We beat Finland the other night, does it really matter, should we just not play these games for entertainment value or to bring countries 'together' in sporting events, where its the 'taking part' that matters?? The Greeks and their press certainly didnt think so?? The Manager is apparently as important or maybe more important than thè players, so his influence is considered vital??? Is money or reputation enough for a German manager to do everything he can to beat a German national side in a big game?? It shouldnt be, should it? 🤔 Or is it just a game??? I think this is a fair point but also one about how much international football means to people because I think everyone is different. Personally if I'd got my German team to the semi finals of the world cup I'd have no problem knocking England out. It's my job and I've developed relationships with these players I probably don't have with the England players. However, if I'd got say Bradford to the play off semi final I'd find it extremely difficult being happy beating Huddersfield (pretty sure I'd be playing the kids and putting the smallest player in goal!). I'm not sure nationality means as much anymore to a lot of people (not all, or even most, but a lot) as people travel more and mix more with other nationalities. I enjoy watching the World Cup but because of the different players and teams and not necessarily because England might win. I think you may find that many, many countries have a very different point of view on their International sporting teams and who manages them. One non dom manager has won one major tournament in World Football. We won one and got closer to winning another with an English manager?? Ramsey, Robson,Venables, Southgate??? Perhaps its coincidence or timing🤔 Perhaps it matters, certainly matters to many countries. Maybe we just stop playing Internationals given so many just dont care?? Is that sad, are we right, are we going to end up alone in our not caring about National identity or pride?? I meet lots of Italians by freak of marriage, their National identity and pride has not changed one iota in the 35 years I have been 'part of the family'😯 A foreign head coach for them would be beyond the pale??? |
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Post by mosher on Oct 17, 2024 12:48:32 GMT 1
I was born in Huddersfield mosh but I've an Italian passport. ldr come on get real people can support whoever they like but they can't just assume whatever national identity they like even in the EU. I don't know what Maoist China (Mao is dead incidentally) or the date as to do with anything but that's your bag. I didn't say only people born in Huddersfield can support Town, you did. The prawn sandwich fan or the glory hunter can support multiple teams if they wish, it was you though who changed the argument to its OK to have multiple national or sporting allegiances. I was talking about the fact it's crass and hypocritical to take the Kings shilling but refuse to sing the national anthem. I think you will find most people who work for a living don't like some aspect of their job but they don't throw their toys out the pram they get on with it or they get sacked. Such a daft argument, "he gets paid so he should sing", he's there to win a football match he's not one of the 3 tenors does anybody actually care if someone sings a crappy anthem or not?! Maybe his next prematch press conference he should start off with a rendition of Vindaloo or Three lions and follow it up by making sure he sings the national anthem at the top of his voice before the start of the next game then that'll prove how much he wants to win... I tend not to sing the national anthem anymore, had too much of being told I HAD to growing up, which sort of comes with the territory of being a pad brat. You were always expected to stand up and join in. When your dad's in the army there are loads of occasions when it seems you HAVE to sing it, that when your dad finally demobs you tend to push back against all the things you were forced to do during their service years. Not just pad brats, quite a few squaddies kind of rebel a little bit once they've demobbed; people would be surprised (I think) by how many squaddies end up long-haired biker sorts. So many biker clubs are rife with ex-forces personnel. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 17, 2024 12:53:02 GMT 1
I think this is a fair point but also one about how much international football means to people because I think everyone is different. Personally if I'd got my German team to the semi finals of the world cup I'd have no problem knocking England out. It's my job and I've developed relationships with these players I probably don't have with the England players. However, if I'd got say Bradford to the play off semi final I'd find it extremely difficult being happy beating Huddersfield (pretty sure I'd be playing the kids and putting the smallest player in goal!). I'm not sure nationality means as much anymore to a lot of people (not all, or even most, but a lot) as people travel more and mix more with other nationalities. I enjoy watching the World Cup but because of the different players and teams and not necessarily because England might win. I think you may find that many, many countries have a very different point of view on their International sporting teams and who manages them. One non dom manager has won one major tournament in World Football. We won one and got closer to winning another with an English manager?? Ramsey, Robson,Venables, Southgate??? Perhaps its coincidence or timing🤔 Perhaps it matters, certainly matters to many countries. Maybe we just stop playing Internationals given so many just dont care?? Is that sad, are we right, are we going to end up alone in our not caring about National identity or pride??I meet lots of Italians by freak of marriage, their National identity and pride has not changed one iota in the 35 years I have been 'part of the family'😯 A foreign head coach for them would be beyond the pale??? For some people (it seems) to be proud of your national identity is akin to racism and/or xenophobia. I mix with loads of different nationalities and they're aghast at how some English citizens sneer at the national flag and those holding it.** In many countries it wouldn't be tolerated or even contemplated until/unless there was some sort of coup/civil war. ** I acknowledge some of the knobheads who drape themselves in our flag deserve contempt. |
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