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Post by crux on Sept 5, 2024 11:40:17 GMT 1
We need to forget about May, the player not the month 🤣. Once Birmingham wanted him they were always going to outbid us on wages, no matter how high we went. You can see that based on the stupid amount they've paid out for Stansfield.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 5, 2024 11:41:47 GMT 1
KN has bought a club that is now worth less than he paid for it and without some investment in the playing staff it never will be. Maybe it is just the stadium and land he is interested in, I have no idea where his strategy is leading us. Luton probably learned from us and the mistakes we made. I dont know, but their fans might be on their message board bemoaning their owners for not 'going for it more'..or 'showing ambition'. 'Wasted'..yeah so far. Cant argue with that. Whether we're still thinking the money weve spent on Radoluvic, Healey and loaning Marshall was wasted in 6 months, time will tell. Think patience is needed on that one. There are lots of strikers better than what we have.. But you have to firstly afford to get their club to let them go , potentially beat off competition from clubs with more money than us, and in most cases persuade them to drop to league 1. But either way, you cant magic up money that isnt there. Are fans going to moan that the millions that Nagle is putting in isnt enough to match what they think the ambition should be, whilst simultaneously coughing up a lung if theyre asked to contribute another quid a week?! When we brought in ex players ( to much moaning about it on here ) we finished 3rd in the championship the following season. Theyd all left again by the season we went down! So, no I doubt weve learned that. It’s odd that we didn’t take a punt on a couple younger lower league players with the hope they’ll come good, or just to pad out the squad a bit. Suppose it’s down to what duff wants but judging by the last 3 games I don’t know what he wants |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 11:46:04 GMT 1
From your post it sounds like he bought us expecting us to go down that first season. If this were true it would explain why he was upset with Warnock when he saved us from relegation. So now we are in League one do you think he has any intention of getting us back in to the Championship as a minimum? It would explain the summer window. That is not what I think he EXPECTED or HOPED for at all !! He expected and hoped we'd stay up. Undoubtedly. All I'm saying is that relegation is potentially less impactful for the owner of a club that requires ongoing monetary support than it might be to a fan. Unless you make an awful lot of excellent player decisions, then the Championship must be a big financial black hole for any owner...just to exist in it, never mind challenge at the top end. I doubt Nagle wanted to own a League 1 club from a town he'd never previously heard of so he can lose a bit less money than if it was in the division above. |
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Post by potlessphil on Sept 5, 2024 11:49:22 GMT 1
"Stop wetting the bed"
How can anyone with half a brain be positive about the last 5/6 years at this football club?
Very, very few highs.
Many, many HUGE mistakes from management, ownership, asset stripping, referees.
-170 GD in the last 10 years, the worst in the entire EFL.
It's hard to be a glass half full fan at town.
Our board seem to continuously fail to acknowledge glaring holes in the squad.
I've said it a million times, nobody here expected us to be spending 5.0m on anyone despite raking in 100m in transfer fees since EPL relegation; however we did expect funds to be spent on a well scouted, not injury prone striker. We did expect a direct Mooy replacement that never came. the list goes on.
We've been relegated under the new ownership and people expect us to be one of the big boys in league 1 - we sold two of our most sellable assets, spent less than 1.0m and didnt address the key areas requiring strengthening! Genuinely not one of our players so far I'd say would walk into a championship side. Ben wiles up front - let that sink in.
It's not "Bed wetting" - that's just a term used here by condescending posters to people that actually can see the freefall of our football club. Huge mistake after mistakes have put us in this position.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 11:51:17 GMT 1
Luton probably learned from us and the mistakes we made. I dont know, but their fans might be on their message board bemoaning their owners for not 'going for it more'..or 'showing ambition'. 'Wasted'..yeah so far. Cant argue with that. Whether we're still thinking the money weve spent on Radoluvic, Healey and loaning Marshall was wasted in 6 months, time will tell. Think patience is needed on that one. There are lots of strikers better than what we have.. But you have to firstly afford to get their club to let them go , potentially beat off competition from clubs with more money than us, and in most cases persuade them to drop to league 1. But either way, you cant magic up money that isnt there. Are fans going to moan that the millions that Nagle is putting in isnt enough to match what they think the ambition should be, whilst simultaneously coughing up a lung if theyre asked to contribute another quid a week?! When we brought in ex players ( to much moaning about it on here ) we finished 3rd in the championship the following season. Theyd all left again by the season we went down! So, no I doubt weve learned that. It’s odd that we didn’t take a punt on a couple younger lower league players with the hope they’ll come good, or just to pad out the squad a bit. Suppose it’s down to what duff wants but judging by the last 3 games I don’t know what he wants Agree on that. Particularly when Harratt was allowed to go out on loan. The chances of them being much use to you are slim ( Hudlin ) , but for the cost it might have been a gamble to take. Suppose up until that last few hours of the window, we expected to have 5 strikers, so presumed opportunities for any non league gamble would be rare/ non existent so never set any wheels in motion. It's disappointing we havent produced a striker of any calibre for such a long time. Was Stead the last decent one? That must be over 20 years ago. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 5, 2024 11:57:48 GMT 1
"Stop wetting the bed" How can anyone with half a brain be positive about the last 5/6 years at this football club? Very, very few highs. Many, many HUGE mistakes from management, ownership, referees. -170 GD in the last 10 years, the worst in the entire EFL. It's hard to be a glass half full fan at town. Our board seem to continuously fail to acknowledge glaring holes in the squad. I've said it a million times, nobody here expected us to be spending 5.0m on anyone despite raking in 100m in transfer fees since EPL relegation; however we did expect funds to be spent on a well scouted, not injury prone striker. We did expect a direct Mooy replacement that never came. the list goes on. It's not "Bed wetting" - that's just a term used here by condescending posters to people that actually can see the freefall of our football club. Huge mistake after mistakes have put us in this position. The OP was specifically talking about the reaction to recent results. 2 of those bad results were in cups nobody cares about and the other, despite a poor performance, should have yielded at least a point but was derailed by one of the worst penalty decisions you are likely to see. We have brought in two new players for key positions at left sided CB and defensive midfielder. Both need to settle, Duff’s ideas need time and we have a mini injury crisis but sit on 9 points and only 1 point off autos. Surely we are allowed to see how things pan out and save the gnashing and wailing of teeth until, I dunno, 10 league games have passed? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 12:00:09 GMT 1
"Stop wetting the bed" How can anyone with half a brain be positive about the last 5/6 years at this football club? Very, very few highs. Many, many HUGE mistakes from management, ownership, asset stripping, referees. -170 GD in the last 10 years, the worst in the entire EFL. It's hard to be a glass half full fan at town. Our board seem to continuously fail to acknowledge glaring holes in the squad. I've said it a million times, nobody here expected us to be spending 5.0m on anyone despite raking in 100m in transfer fees since EPL relegation; however we did expect funds to be spent on a well scouted, not injury prone striker. We did expect a direct Mooy replacement that never came. the list goes on. We've been relegated under the new ownership and people expect us to be one of the big boys in league 1 - we sold two of our most sellable assets, spent less than 1.0m and didnt address the key areas requiring strengthening! Genuinely not one of our players so far I'd say would walk into a championship side. It's not "Bed wetting" - that's just a term used here by condescending posters to people that actually can see the freefall of our football club. Huge mistake after mistakes have put us in this position. Have we?? Billing ÂŁ15m Grant ÂŁ12m ( once Charlton took their cut) Rudoni ÂŁ4m ( once Wimbledon took their cut ) Mooy was about ÂŁ5m LOB ÂŁ8m Toffs ÂŁ2m A few went for 2 or 3 million..Kongolo, Flo, couple of mill for bacuna? Smith went for ÂŁ1m... Am I missing someone whos taking this figure up to anywhere near ÂŁ100m ?? |
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Post by potlessphil on Sept 5, 2024 12:06:42 GMT 1
"Stop wetting the bed" How can anyone with half a brain be positive about the last 5/6 years at this football club? Very, very few highs. Many, many HUGE mistakes from management, ownership, asset stripping, referees. -170 GD in the last 10 years, the worst in the entire EFL. It's hard to be a glass half full fan at town. Our board seem to continuously fail to acknowledge glaring holes in the squad. I've said it a million times, nobody here expected us to be spending 5.0m on anyone despite raking in 100m in transfer fees since EPL relegation; however we did expect funds to be spent on a well scouted, not injury prone striker. We did expect a direct Mooy replacement that never came. the list goes on. We've been relegated under the new ownership and people expect us to be one of the big boys in league 1 - we sold two of our most sellable assets, spent less than 1.0m and didnt address the key areas requiring strengthening! Genuinely not one of our players so far I'd say would walk into a championship side. It's not "Bed wetting" - that's just a term used here by condescending posters to people that actually can see the freefall of our football club. Huge mistake after mistakes have put us in this position. Have we?? Billing ÂŁ15m Grant ÂŁ12m ( once Charlton took their cut) Rudoni ÂŁ4m ( once Wimbledon took their cut ) Mooy was about ÂŁ5m A few went for 2 or 3 million..Kongolo, Flo, couple of mill for bacuna? Smith went for ÂŁ1m... Am I missing someone whos taking this figure up to anywhere near ÂŁ100m ?? Billing 16m Grant 16m O Brien and Toff 10m Rudoni 5m Mounie 5m Mooy 5m Kongole 5m Zanka 2m Bacuna 2m Camara 1m Pipe 1m VLP 1m Sobhi 1m = 70m Ince 12m Smith 5m =17m |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 12:25:28 GMT 1
KN has bought a club that is now worth less than he paid for it and without some investment in the playing staff it never will be. Maybe it is just the stadium and land he is interested in, I have no idea where his strategy is leading us. Luton probably learned from us and the mistakes we made. I dont know, but their fans might be on their message board bemoaning their owners for not 'going for it more'..or 'showing ambition'. 'Wasted'..yeah so far. Cant argue with that. Whether we're still thinking the money weve spent on Radoluvic, Healey and loaning Marshall was wasted in 6 months, time will tell. Think patience is needed on that one. There are lots of strikers better than what we have.. But you have to firstly afford to get their club to let them go , potentially beat off competition from clubs with more money than us, and in most cases persuade them to drop to league 1. But either way, you cant magic up money that isnt there. Are fans going to moan that the millions that Nagle is putting in isnt enough to match what they think the ambition should be, whilst simultaneously coughing up a lung if theyre asked to contribute another quid a week?! When we brought in ex players ( to much moaning about it on here ) we finished 3rd in the championship the following season. Theyd all left again by the season we went down! So, no I doubt weve learned that. Luton certainly did not follow our mistakes while in the Premier league and seem to have more of an idea how to remain competitive in the Championship. We needed a shot in the arm to keep us in the Championship and we bought a bunch of players that did not help. Whatever happens with them in the future the January window was a complete failure. We all know that there are lots of strikers better than what we have but we seemed to have just two players in mind. As for money, who knows what we have but based on the three windows we have seen to date under the new owner we are not going to be a big investor in the playing side of things. The ex players were a waste of money (we got one decent year out of Ward), it just smacked of small time penny pinching by our previous owner. It would all be a little less annoying if KN's talks would give a more realistic idea of his plans and we had a few less sycophants ready to doff their caps at anything comming out of the club. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 5, 2024 12:30:39 GMT 1
Have we?? Billing ÂŁ15m Grant ÂŁ12m ( once Charlton took their cut) Rudoni ÂŁ4m ( once Wimbledon took their cut ) Mooy was about ÂŁ5m A few went for 2 or 3 million..Kongolo, Flo, couple of mill for bacuna? Smith went for ÂŁ1m... Am I missing someone whos taking this figure up to anywhere near ÂŁ100m ?? Billing 16m Grant 16m O Brien and Toff 10m Rudoni 5m Mounie 5m Mooy 5m Kongole 5m Zanka 2m Bacuna 2m Camara 1m Pipe 1m VLP 1m Sobhi 1m = 70m Ince 12m Smith 5m =17m Let's be honest its likely the Rudoni sale will have paid for the changing rooms and running of club for the year whilst also paying for some of last January's business. Just how Hoyle did it with O'Brien and co. Why I think its interesting to see how the club is been funded. Now its very normal for that to have to happen for a club with our revenues to ensure an owner is just launching millions down the drain like Birmingham are, however it also questions how much money KN is actually putting into the club himself. Something we don't actually know currently. The books will tell us either way. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 5, 2024 12:48:24 GMT 1
We need to forget about May, the player not the month 🤣. Once Birmingham wanted him they were always going to outbid us on wages, no matter how high we went. You can see that based on the stupid amount they've paid out for Stansfield. On the subject of that, I can’t remember the last time town went in for a player and just said F off to the competition. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 12:58:51 GMT 1
Have we?? Billing ÂŁ15m Grant ÂŁ12m ( once Charlton took their cut) Rudoni ÂŁ4m ( once Wimbledon took their cut ) Mooy was about ÂŁ5m A few went for 2 or 3 million..Kongolo, Flo, couple of mill for bacuna? Smith went for ÂŁ1m... Am I missing someone whos taking this figure up to anywhere near ÂŁ100m ?? Billing 16m Grant 16m O Brien and Toff 10m Rudoni 5m Mounie 5m Mooy 5m Kongole 5m Zanka 2m Bacuna 2m Camara 1m Pipe 1m VLP 1m Sobhi 1m = 70m Ince 12m Smith 5m =17m I think a lot of your figures there are higher than they actually were and you arent including any sell on clauses and contract settlements. Tom Ince left after our first PL season and for ÂŁ10m The figures probably about ÂŁ50m in net sales revenue since we dropped from PL. ÂŁ10m of that was lost on one player we signed in the same period,.. Mbenza! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 13:10:24 GMT 1
Luton probably learned from us and the mistakes we made. I dont know, but their fans might be on their message board bemoaning their owners for not 'going for it more'..or 'showing ambition'. 'Wasted'..yeah so far. Cant argue with that. Whether we're still thinking the money weve spent on Radoluvic, Healey and loaning Marshall was wasted in 6 months, time will tell. Think patience is needed on that one. There are lots of strikers better than what we have.. But you have to firstly afford to get their club to let them go , potentially beat off competition from clubs with more money than us, and in most cases persuade them to drop to league 1. But either way, you cant magic up money that isnt there. Are fans going to moan that the millions that Nagle is putting in isnt enough to match what they think the ambition should be, whilst simultaneously coughing up a lung if theyre asked to contribute another quid a week?! When we brought in ex players ( to much moaning about it on here ) we finished 3rd in the championship the following season. Theyd all left again by the season we went down! So, no I doubt weve learned that. Luton certainly did not follow our mistakes while in the Premier league and seem to have more of an idea how to remain competitive in the Championship. We needed a shot in the arm to keep us in the Championship and we bought a bunch of players that did not help. Whatever happens with them in the future the January window was a complete failure. We all know that there are lots of strikers better than what we have but we seemed to have just two players in mind. As for money, who knows what we have but based on the three windows we have seen to date under the new owner we are not going to be a big investor in the playing side of things. The ex players were a waste of money (we got one decent year out of Ward), it just smacked of small time penny pinching by our previous owner. It would all be a little less annoying if KN's talks would give a more realistic idea of his plans and we had a few less sycophants ready to doff their caps at anything comming out of the club. The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than ÂŁ249 ! Cracks me up!  |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 5, 2024 13:19:08 GMT 1
Luton certainly did not follow our mistakes while in the Premier league and seem to have more of an idea how to remain competitive in the Championship. We needed a shot in the arm to keep us in the Championship and we bought a bunch of players that did not help. Whatever happens with them in the future the January window was a complete failure. We all know that there are lots of strikers better than what we have but we seemed to have just two players in mind. As for money, who knows what we have but based on the three windows we have seen to date under the new owner we are not going to be a big investor in the playing side of things. The ex players were a waste of money (we got one decent year out of Ward), it just smacked of small time penny pinching by our previous owner. It would all be a little less annoying if KN's talks would give a more realistic idea of his plans and we had a few less sycophants ready to doff their caps at anything comming out of the club. The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than £249 ! Cracks me up! I think you might have mentioned it before 🤣🤣 |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 13:26:11 GMT 1
From your post it sounds like he bought us expecting us to go down that first season. If this were true it would explain why he was upset with Warnock when he saved us from relegation. So now we are in League one do you think he has any intention of getting us back in to the Championship as a minimum? It would explain the summer window. That is not what I think he EXPECTED or HOPED for at all !! He expected and hoped we'd stay up. Undoubtedly. All I'm saying is that relegation is potentially less impactful for the owner of a club that requires ongoing monetary support than it might be to a fan. I am sure it wasn't, I was just taking his comments and stretching them a little further for a bit of fun. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 13:35:59 GMT 1
Luton certainly did not follow our mistakes while in the Premier league and seem to have more of an idea how to remain competitive in the Championship. We needed a shot in the arm to keep us in the Championship and we bought a bunch of players that did not help. Whatever happens with them in the future the January window was a complete failure. We all know that there are lots of strikers better than what we have but we seemed to have just two players in mind. As for money, who knows what we have but based on the three windows we have seen to date under the new owner we are not going to be a big investor in the playing side of things. The ex players were a waste of money (we got one decent year out of Ward), it just smacked of small time penny pinching by our previous owner. It would all be a little less annoying if KN's talks would give a more realistic idea of his plans and we had a few less sycophants ready to doff their caps at anything comming out of the club. The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than ÂŁ249 ! Cracks me up! Ward and Rhodes have been a waste of money, apparently Ward is our highest earner. Owners don't buy into football club to run them in to League one, their aim is the Premier League as stated by KN. Are we or any other club going to get their by the investment we have seen? We know the answer to that one. |
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Post by trevuptop on Sept 5, 2024 13:46:43 GMT 1
The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than ÂŁ249 ! Cracks me up! Ward and Rhodes have been a waste of money, apparently Ward is our highest earner. Owners don't buy into football club to run them in to League one, their aim is the Premier League as stated by KN. Are we or any other club going to get their by the investment we have seen? We know the answer to that one. Ward is not our highest earner |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 13:58:29 GMT 1
Ward and Rhodes have been a waste of money, apparently Ward is our highest earner. Owners don't buy into football club to run them in to League one, their aim is the Premier League as stated by KN. Are we or any other club going to get their by the investment we have seen? We know the answer to that one. Ward is not our highest earner It has been claimed by some on here that he is. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 5, 2024 14:31:32 GMT 1
Luton certainly did not follow our mistakes while in the Premier league and seem to have more of an idea how to remain competitive in the Championship. We needed a shot in the arm to keep us in the Championship and we bought a bunch of players that did not help. Whatever happens with them in the future the January window was a complete failure. We all know that there are lots of strikers better than what we have but we seemed to have just two players in mind. As for money, who knows what we have but based on the three windows we have seen to date under the new owner we are not going to be a big investor in the playing side of things. The ex players were a waste of money (we got one decent year out of Ward), it just smacked of small time penny pinching by our previous owner. It would all be a little less annoying if KN's talks would give a more realistic idea of his plans and we had a few less sycophants ready to doff their caps at anything comming out of the club. The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than ÂŁ249 ! Cracks me up! I'll happily pay more for a season ticket if my ÂŁ249+whatever extra is introduced as a directors loan that I can cash out when the club is next sold and/or when I decide I no longer want to benefit from a season ticket...I'll write off my consolidated 5% annual loan charge if we're not at this level or above. If 15,000 of us pay ÂŁ200 extra, that should all balance up nicely. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 5, 2024 15:25:01 GMT 1
Relegated from Prem to L1,now we lost 3 in a row. Reminds me of the Giants at the start of every season, this season will be different. Losing is losing there are no tin pot cups, professionals don't always win but that should always be the goal (goals are the problem). As for fans who say it doesn't matter “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 15:57:51 GMT 1
The ex players were a waste of money? I dont get that. They didnt cost anything or very little, and we were a bad referee from going up into the PL!! Why would we be a big investor in the playing side of things? Our income isnt anything special for a 3rd tier club. I find it comical when fans accuse owners of penny-pinching when the owners are pumping in millions of pounds a year just to keep the club running at all. Then its tantrums and tiaras at the mere suggestion theyre asked to pay more than ÂŁ249 ! Cracks me up! I'll happily pay more for a season ticket if my ÂŁ249+whatever extra is introduced as a directors loan that I can cash out when the club is next sold and/or when I decide I no longer want to benefit from a season ticket...I'll write off my consolidated 5% annual loan charge if we're not at this level or above. If 15,000 of us pay ÂŁ200 extra, that should all balance up nicely. A new angle to the joke! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2024 16:00:52 GMT 1
Relegated from Prem to L1,now we lost 3 in a row. Reminds me of the Giants at the start of every season, this season will be different. Losing is losing there are no tin pot cups, professionals don't always win but that should always be the goal (goals are the problem). As for fans who say it doesn't matter “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana. Cups are a chance to give game time to your fringe players and a bit of first team action to kids who are showing promise. The goal is still to win the game if you can, but only so you can have another cup game to do the same. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 5, 2024 16:20:36 GMT 1
I think are OK when fans are wetting the bed. We need to worry when they start shitting the bed. That might not be too long away.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 16:27:56 GMT 1
Relegated from Prem to L1,now we lost 3 in a row. Reminds me of the Giants at the start of every season, this season will be different. Losing is losing there are no tin pot cups, professionals don't always win but that should always be the goal (goals are the problem). As for fans who say it doesn't matter “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana. Cups are a chance to give game time to your fringe players and a bit of first team action to kids who are showing promise. The goal is still to win the game if you can, but only so you can have another cup game to do the same. WWe all know this but when our fringe players are make us worse than League 2 finge players you have to take note. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 5, 2024 16:32:07 GMT 1
Fringe players and promising kids, what about high earners who are neither fringe or promising. Sport is becoming a joke, just look at the Olympics. Devaluing competition will be another nail in the coffin. The end will come when finally nobody turns up because competition and entertainment have been replaced by BS politics and greed.
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 5, 2024 16:39:24 GMT 1
Cups are a chance to give game time to your fringe players and a bit of first team action to kids who are showing promise. The goal is still to win the game if you can, but only so you can have another cup game to do the same. WWe all know this but when our fringe players are make us worse than League 2 finge players you have to take note. Fringe players might start a small handful and come of the bench a few more times. Say, 15 games. Most of the kids who played the other night aren't fringe players. They're kids called upon for a rare appearance to see if they could be fringe players, with the answers ranging from nowhere near ready to might be in a position to be called on from the bench if needed. I suspect most of Doncaster's side - from what my wife's uncle tells me - will feature a fair bit this season and are squad rotation players. There was only one of their starting 11 who was making his first appearance of the season (Ben Close, an experienced campaigner); all the rest of it have now played at least 4 times. It's somewhat unfair to compare half of our side to their entire side. Fair comment on others, but even their most inexperienced player had featured more just this season than Ashia, Vost, Iorpenda, and Thomas combined in their entire careers. Had we not been without 9 players, through injury and international duty, then things would have been different. As it is, we didn't have them, couldn't play them, and were weakened as a result. I don't mind that we played the kids, though. Good learning experience for them. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 5, 2024 16:40:33 GMT 1
Fringe players and promising kids, what about high earners who are neither fringe or promising. Sport is becoming a joke, just look at the Olympics. Devaluing competition will be another nail in the coffin. The end will come when finally nobody turns up because competition and entertainment have been replaced by BS politics and greed. The EFL Trophy is already all but valueless. It was devalued by the powers that be. May as well use it as a ground for blooding kids in a low-pressure game. Hope to win, test out a few things, not the end of the world if we don't. |
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ldotm
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Post by ldotm on Sept 5, 2024 16:41:52 GMT 1
"Stop wetting the bed" How can anyone with half a brain be positive about the last 5/6 years at this football club? Very, very few highs. Many, many HUGE mistakes from management, ownership, referees. -170 GD in the last 10 years, the worst in the entire EFL. It's hard to be a glass half full fan at town. Our board seem to continuously fail to acknowledge glaring holes in the squad. I've said it a million times, nobody here expected us to be spending 5.0m on anyone despite raking in 100m in transfer fees since EPL relegation; however we did expect funds to be spent on a well scouted, not injury prone striker. We did expect a direct Mooy replacement that never came. the list goes on. It's not "Bed wetting" - that's just a term used here by condescending posters to people that actually can see the freefall of our football club. Huge mistake after mistakes have put us in this position. The OP was specifically talking about the reaction to recent results. 2 of those bad results were in cups nobody cares about and the other, despite a poor performance, should have yielded at least a point but was derailed by one of the worst penalty decisions you are likely to see. We have brought in two new players for key positions at left sided CB and defensive midfielder. Both need to settle, Duff’s ideas need time and we have a mini injury crisis but sit on 9 points and only 1 point off autos. Surely we are allowed to see how things pan out and save the gnashing and wailing of teeth until, I dunno, 10 league games have passed? So tedious how far people look back to try and moan about the present. People can’t move on. On the whole I’m still optimistic about this season, would’ve snapped your hand off for the league position we are in right now. Do I think some of the performances have been worrying/not up to standard? Yep. Do I wish we had got a striker? Yep. But life/football isn’t linear, it’s what makes the game so great. I think we’ve made a great appointment in the manager, I think we’ve signed good players for this level in key positions. It’s not perfect but it very rarely is. |
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Post by aksaiblue on Sept 5, 2024 16:56:04 GMT 1
Patience is a virtue,they say, it's a long season and players are adjusting to league 1, who knows where we will be come Christmas. For me, it's about watching Town and I am happy that we are still solvent and have the chance to air our views. - UTT
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goodbet
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Post by goodbet on Sept 5, 2024 16:58:42 GMT 1
WWe all know this but when our fringe players are make us worse than League 2 finge players you have to take note. Fringe players might start a small handful and come of the bench a few more times. Say, 15 games. Most of the kids who played the other night aren't fringe players. They're kids called upon for a rare appearance to see if they could be fringe players, with the answers ranging from nowhere near ready to might be in a position to be called on from the bench if needed. I suspect most of Doncaster's side - from what my wife's uncle tells me - will feature a fair bit this season and are squad rotation players. There was only one of their starting 11 who was making his first appearance of the season (Ben Close, an experienced campaigner); all the rest of it have now played at least 4 times. It's somewhat unfair to compare half of our side to their entire side. Fair comment on others, but even their most inexperienced player had featured more just this season than Ashia, Vost, Iorpenda, and Thomas combined in their entire careers. Had we not been without 9 players, through injury and international duty, then things would have been different. As it is, we didn't have them, couldn't play them, and were weakened as a result. I don't mind that we played the kids, though. Good learning experience for them. We didn't look good when we brought the first teamers on though. |
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