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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2024 10:31:47 GMT 1
Can i ask why you think it’s quite sad? Because the ground was partly funded through RL grants and the Council with the aim that it would be a multipurpose stadium for sports in Huddersfield. Used to get some challenge cup semi finals, Rugby international games etc but that's all stopped. Driving range shut. Swimming pools shut. Gymnasiums shut. Now Giants leaving . I really like what Town have done with the ground this summer and hope Nagle can make a success of it. I suppose things haven't really ever worked down their like they hoped since the place was built. I suppose HDOne came just at the wrong time for KSDL...that was the development that was needed but downturn in markets and then lack of potential occupiers scuppered it.. The knock on effect, and the cost of all that was £m's and led KSDL to skimping on upkeep of JSS and left both clubs in limbo... It's obvious the Giants haven't been able to help very much even though KD is a multi millionaire...so their own home is clearly the best solution..for everybody. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Sept 17, 2024 10:35:39 GMT 1
Who actually plays from the old Fartown Ground now? Is it still in use?
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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2024 10:48:13 GMT 1
Who actually plays from the old Fartown Ground now? Is it still in use? Mosque I think... |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 17, 2024 10:49:50 GMT 1
Great news. They are the laughing stock of super league playing in a stadium with a capacity 4 times too big for them Good luck to them though, I want success for all Huddersfield teams Only four times? I’d say it’s closer to ten. |
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Post by twyford on Sept 17, 2024 11:04:51 GMT 1
Whatever floats your boat, normally Leeds utd fans when I've been to Batley or Dewsbury RL grounds, the hatred for davey is pathetic on this board, who took more money ken or hoyle, who pulled club out of shit?, dont really have to answer that do I? Ken,, by a long way. I don't believe either of them has 'taken' money from the club (as Oyston is said to have done at Blackpool). Davy's loans to the club were repaid in full by Hoyle as Davy transferred the club's shares in the stadium company into a personal vehicle as leverage to achieve this. A large element of Hoyle's loans to the club were not repaid when Nagle acquired the club and they remain as a liability on the club's balance sheet. Hoyle will receive a further repayment of his loans when / if promotion back to the PL is achieved. Hoyle retained the stadium company shares within the club but does have (last time I looked at Companies House) a debenture registered against the club as security. |
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Post by cyberman on Sept 17, 2024 11:21:44 GMT 1
New giants staduim opposite the Gas Club.....Nagle takes on the stadium and improves ......Town back in the Premier League - hotel built - and finally we will get our Sheerman Ski lift from the train station down to the HD1 complex.....
Wont hold me breath !
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 17, 2024 11:25:20 GMT 1
I don't believe either of them has 'taken' money from the club (as Oyston is said to have done at Blackpool). Davy's loans to the club were repaid in full by Hoyle as Davy transferred the club's shares in the stadium company into a personal vehicle as leverage to achieve this. A large element of Hoyle's loans to the club were not repaid when Nagle acquired the club and they remain as a liability on the club's balance sheet. Hoyle will receive a further repayment of his loans when / if promotion back to the PL is achieved. Hoyle retained the stadium company shares within the club but does have (last time I looked at Companies House) a debenture registered against the club as security. Well as it stands I believe Hoyle is still tens of millions down from his ownership of Town, so the suggestion he 'took' anything out of the club is a bit mute. As for davy, who knows, but id be very surprised if he didnt get more for it than he'd put in when he sold in 2008. |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Sept 17, 2024 11:33:15 GMT 1
There is something being built at Fartown. Drove past the other day there is some structural ironwork in place. I suspect it is something to do with the mosque rather than a stadium.
I can't see it being at Laund Hill due to residential and access issues. Lockwood Park would need new access roads building.
But, I think it's good if this happens. The stadium experiment has never worked, KSDL has been a shit show from the beginning. The sooner we own our own ground the better.
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Post by ldr on Sept 17, 2024 11:40:15 GMT 1
A few gallons of Weed killer and it'll be like new  Sad to see as I played on the ground in 1969 I think, in the local schools cup final. I once pulled a girl in the Pavillion at an Xmas do, late 80’s. That’s the year, not the age of the girl. I seem to remember I offered to get her a drink and she had a snowball. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 17, 2024 11:41:22 GMT 1
Who actually plays from the old Fartown Ground now? Is it still in use? Mosque I think... Do they have to take their boots off before they kick off? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 17, 2024 12:05:45 GMT 1
I believe one option is to level all the Gasworks site, remove Gasworks street and that then gives you quite a large single site whereas at the moment you've got the road in the way.
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Post by Sio on Sept 17, 2024 12:15:12 GMT 1
I believe one option is to level all the Gasworks site, remove Gasworks street and that then gives you quite a large single site whereas at the moment you've got the road in the way. I could be wrong but I'm sure there are restrictions on building on the Gasworks site for a number of years |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 17, 2024 12:33:35 GMT 1
Who actually plays from the old Fartown Ground now? Is it still in use? Lindley st Joseph’s play the odd game there |
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Post by terrierneil on Sept 17, 2024 12:36:23 GMT 1
A little 10,000 ground with terracing will be great. We could even use it ourselves if, god forbid, we get stuck in league one for a while.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 17, 2024 12:49:16 GMT 1
Who actually plays from the old Fartown Ground now? Is it still in use? Mosque I think... It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 17, 2024 12:56:30 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. I'm 90% certain it IS a mosque having driven past a couple of weeks ago. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 17, 2024 13:06:51 GMT 1
Bore off all you Giants haters, Rugby league is a man's game and woman's. Great idea, be good for Giants and Huddersfield. Just need to win games now, should be the very least top three team. |
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Post by irverino on Sept 17, 2024 13:07:43 GMT 1
A little 10,000 ground with terracing will be great. We could even use it ourselves if, god forbid, we get stuck in league one for a while. I think you may be correct about football use in the winter months when RL season finishes......Possibly academy/B team & womens matches could be played there if its at gasworks site. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 17, 2024 13:16:45 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. I'm 90% certain it IS a mosque having driven past a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was a mosque, used to walk past on way home from Fartown High. |
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Post by willo on Sept 17, 2024 13:22:43 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. I never had you down as a grandfather art! I have a whole new reflection of you now 😁 |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 17, 2024 13:51:17 GMT 1
Where many can, still, be sceptical about Mr Nagle's "plan" for the football club no one should doubt that the deal to take ownership of the stadium (I am assuming here that this is what will be announced) will not come cheap. As such Mr Nagle will have a vision about what this means for the club and what can be achieved.
I think the fact we have never owned the stadium and had only a limited say in how it was run, used and developed was probably a significant factor in outside investors not taking an interest when we were riding high in the Premier League.
If you look at the site overall there is great potential to develop around the stadium e.g. could the driving range be used as a property development? I am not sure retail is the answer anymore, as HDONE was envisaged, but property and leisure might be. There will certainly be some opportunity from staging concerts.
Mr Nagle is an entrepreneur who knows that investment brings investment. Use the site well and it attracts more money.
As for the Giants I don't think Mr Davy sanctions any deal unless he thinks it benefits them, and you can't blame him for that. The opportunity to have a purpose designed home, possibly with a 4G pitch that can be used by others, might be the kick start they appear to need (NB: my knowledge of RL is next to nothing). In the event they got a "big game" surely they could play those at the John Smiths.
From a Town perspective this is a long term development. It is one we might/probably should benefit from if managed well. Short term all that most will care about is what happens on the pitch. The stadium and performance of HTAFC run in parallel but as it stands they are two separate projects.
I am generally encouraged and will watch with interest to hear what is said and see how things move forward.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Sept 17, 2024 13:58:43 GMT 1
Where many can, still, be sceptical about Mr Nagle's "plan" for the football club no one should doubt that the deal to take ownership of the stadium (I am assuming here that this is what will be announced) will not come cheap. As such Mr Nagle will have a vision about what this means for the club and what can be achieved. I think the fact we have never owned the stadium and had only a limited say in how it was run, used and developed was probably a significant factor in outside investors not taking an interest when we were riding high in the Premier League. If you look at the site overall there is great potential to develop around the stadium e.g. could the driving range be used as a property development? I am not sure retail is the answer anymore, as HDONE was envisaged, but property and leisure might be. There will certainly be some opportunity from staging concerts. Mr Nagle is an entrepreneur who knows that investment brings investment. Use the site well and it attracts more money. As for the Giants I don't think Mr Davy sanctions any deal unless he thinks it benefits them, and you can't blame him for that. The opportunity to have a purpose designed home, possibly with a 4G pitch that can be used by others, might be the kick start they appear to need (NB: my knowledge of RL is next to nothing). In the event they got a "big game" surely they could play those at the John Smiths. From a Town perspective this is a long term development. It is one we might/probably should benefit from if managed well. Short term all that most will care about is what happens on the pitch. The stadium and performance of HTAFC run in parallel but as it stands they are two separate projects. I am generally encouraged and will watch with interest to hear what is said and see how things move forward. On paper, owning both the club and stadium is great. The risk is is that he's far more likely to sell the club than the stadium (if he got it on the cheap). So the club then find themselves as tenants with very few rights. One disagreement and he could just refuse to open the doors. Just look at what Coventry went through. At least the current set up meant that was never going to happen. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 17, 2024 14:05:42 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. I'm 90% certain it IS a mosque having driven past a couple of weeks ago. You mean The Pavilion has been turned in to a mosque as opposed to a mosque been built over the rugby or cricket pitch? |
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Post by hd9terrier on Sept 17, 2024 14:48:20 GMT 1
The ironic thing is once the Giants move out into their own ground and get out the way of Town it might take some time but they could build up a decent support. It’s obviously a football town but a relatively big one so I don’t see why people wouldn’t support them.
Nagle mentioned building an ecosystem around the stadium in the early days and that’s probably one of the few positives that there is space and potential for development to ultimately generate more revenue for the football club. Just hope he can outline a clear vision when he owns it.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 17, 2024 14:58:49 GMT 1
Just read this on another site:
It's got to be a good idea - a nearly full 10k stadium would be a better atmosphere for players and fans. Unfortunately Huddersfield has so many foreign students that sports are not well attended.
What does that even mean 😂
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 17, 2024 15:31:11 GMT 1
Where many can, still, be sceptical about Mr Nagle's "plan" for the football club no one should doubt that the deal to take ownership of the stadium (I am assuming here that this is what will be announced) will not come cheap. As such Mr Nagle will have a vision about what this means for the club and what can be achieved. I think the fact we have never owned the stadium and had only a limited say in how it was run, used and developed was probably a significant factor in outside investors not taking an interest when we were riding high in the Premier League. If you look at the site overall there is great potential to develop around the stadium e.g. could the driving range be used as a property development? I am not sure retail is the answer anymore, as HDONE was envisaged, but property and leisure might be. There will certainly be some opportunity from staging concerts. Mr Nagle is an entrepreneur who knows that investment brings investment. Use the site well and it attracts more money. As for the Giants I don't think Mr Davy sanctions any deal unless he thinks it benefits them, and you can't blame him for that. The opportunity to have a purpose designed home, possibly with a 4G pitch that can be used by others, might be the kick start they appear to need (NB: my knowledge of RL is next to nothing). In the event they got a "big game" surely they could play those at the John Smiths. From a Town perspective this is a long term development. It is one we might/probably should benefit from if managed well. Short term all that most will care about is what happens on the pitch. The stadium and performance of HTAFC run in parallel but as it stands they are two separate projects. I am generally encouraged and will watch with interest to hear what is said and see how things move forward. On paper, owning both the club and stadium is great. The risk is is that he's far more likely to sell the club than the stadium (if he got it on the cheap). So the club then find themselves as tenants with very few rights. One disagreement and he could just refuse to open the doors. Just look at what Coventry went through. At least the current set up meant that was never going to happen. 100%. Add in that the stadium is a basket case that the football club is currently partly insulated from...you don't have to be particularly intelligent to notice the red exclamation mark here - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479 and look back through some of the docs linked here, with disastrous looking accounts and court rectified factually incorrect mortgages and charges (GWECO 511 is a Dean Hoyle company for anyone interested). find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/filing-historyA wholly owned and operated stadium complex brings a whole new bucket of risk...hopefully the stadium can be owned in a seperate vehicle and/or can somehow be protected by a higher power to retain its place as a football stadium that isn't milking its tenant dry. The motives of the one man with ultimate ownership of the football club seem honourable...but he is just one man and is pretty much answerable to nobody, we've seen previously how that can pan out to the detriment of supporters of the football club, even via legitimate and very normal business practices, like for example Ken Davy himself exercised previously! |
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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2024 16:29:07 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. Should have clarified, earmarked for a mosque |
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Post by detox on Sept 17, 2024 16:35:29 GMT 1
On paper, owning both the club and stadium is great. The risk is is that he's far more likely to sell the club than the stadium (if he got it on the cheap). So the club then find themselves as tenants with very few rights. One disagreement and he could just refuse to open the doors. Just look at what Coventry went through. At least the current set up meant that was never going to happen. 100%. Add in that the stadium is a basket case that the football club is currently partly insulated from...you don't have to be particularly intelligent to notice the red exclamation mark here - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479 and look back through some of the docs linked here, with disastrous looking accounts and court rectified factually incorrect mortgages and charges (GWECO 511 is a Dean Hoyle company for anyone interested). find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/filing-historyA wholly owned and operated stadium complex brings a whole new bucket of risk...hopefully the stadium can be owned in a seperate vehicle and/or can somehow be protected by a higher power to retain its place as a football stadium that isn't milking its tenant dry. The motives of the one man with ultimate ownership of the football club seem honourable...but he is just one man and is pretty much answerable to nobody, we've seen previously how that can pan out to the detriment of supporters of the football club, even via legitimate and very normal business practices, like for example Ken Davy himself exercised previously! Nagle isn't a young man, he'll have a will already which says what happens upon his demise. Then as you say,we enter the unknown. Meanwhile I totally trust him and what he's doing. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 17, 2024 16:55:15 GMT 1
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 17, 2024 17:13:50 GMT 1
It's not a mosque at all. My grandson trains with his junior football side there so its certainly in use for sport still. As far as I'm aware there is still a rugby pitch there too. I'm 90% certain it IS a mosque having driven past a couple of weeks ago. If it's the site I'm thinking where the pavilion is then it's definitely still a sports field as I watched my son play there 2 days ago! They are building a structure at the side of it though but it doesn't seem to be impacting the pitch |
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