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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 17, 2024 17:27:28 GMT 1
There is a mosque on the site of the old pavilion building, which was not part of the original rugby club ground as far as I'm aware, it belonged to the cricket club, where Yorkshire used to play at one time. The original sports complex is more or less still intact with a rugby pitch and some football pitches. The whole site has not been taken over, for clarity, by a mosque. |
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Sept 17, 2024 18:23:56 GMT 1
A Giant is to build its own new stadium? In all seriousness though, since 2016 they've never averaged more than 6,000. They might actually generate some atmosphere if they have their own stadium holding no more than 6-7,000. |
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 17, 2024 18:44:23 GMT 1
The Giants haven't had an attendance over 4000 since July and the recent game against London Broncos attracted less than 3500. The Giants were not at home for something like seven games and while some on here are having a pathetic go at them because of their crowds even the away teams do not bring anywhere near as many fans with them has they use to do. Good luck to them where ever they end up and like Town they have one thing in common, they were once the greatest rugby league team in the country. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 17, 2024 18:50:19 GMT 1
On paper, owning both the club and stadium is great. The risk is is that he's far more likely to sell the club than the stadium (if he got it on the cheap). So the club then find themselves as tenants with very few rights. One disagreement and he could just refuse to open the doors. Just look at what Coventry went through. At least the current set up meant that was never going to happen. 100%. Add in that the stadium is a basket case that the football club is currently partly insulated from...you don't have to be particularly intelligent to notice the red exclamation mark here - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479 and look back through some of the docs linked here, with disastrous looking accounts and court rectified factually incorrect mortgages and charges (GWECO 511 is a Dean Hoyle company for anyone interested). find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/filing-historyA wholly owned and operated stadium complex brings a whole new bucket of risk...hopefully the stadium can be owned in a seperate vehicle and/or can somehow be protected by a higher power to retain its place as a football stadium that isn't milking its tenant dry. The motives of the one man with ultimate ownership of the football club seem honourable...but he is just one man and is pretty much answerable to nobody, we've seen previously how that can pan out to the detriment of supporters of the football club, even via legitimate and very normal business practices, like for example Ken Davy himself exercised previously! I respect both of you calling out the risks, which are of course possible. I personally take a positive view, but that's just my general impression. Hopefully it will be as positive development as I hope. |
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Post by incognito on Sept 17, 2024 18:57:41 GMT 1
I'm struggling to imagine them getting the go-ahead to put a new stadium in there, but we were tipped off about it being the preferred site by a decent source back in February: The Giants are pressing forward with plans for a 7500 capacity stadium at the Fartown rugby ground site. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 17, 2024 19:01:51 GMT 1
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 17, 2024 20:53:02 GMT 1
100%. Add in that the stadium is a basket case that the football club is currently partly insulated from...you don't have to be particularly intelligent to notice the red exclamation mark here - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479 and look back through some of the docs linked here, with disastrous looking accounts and court rectified factually incorrect mortgages and charges (GWECO 511 is a Dean Hoyle company for anyone interested). find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02692479/filing-historyA wholly owned and operated stadium complex brings a whole new bucket of risk...hopefully the stadium can be owned in a seperate vehicle and/or can somehow be protected by a higher power to retain its place as a football stadium that isn't milking its tenant dry. The motives of the one man with ultimate ownership of the football club seem honourable...but he is just one man and is pretty much answerable to nobody, we've seen previously how that can pan out to the detriment of supporters of the football club, even via legitimate and very normal business practices, like for example Ken Davy himself exercised previously! I respect both of you calling out the risks, which are of course possible. I personally take a positive view, but that's just my general impression. Hopefully it will be as positive development as I hope. Same. The town needs some developments to kick start things, alongside the long drawn out council led stuff that is already happening. I'd probably go to a new stadium and sample a Super League game or two, just for the experience. I haven't been to a Giants game for about 10 years...used to go to 3 or 4 per season prior to that. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 17, 2024 21:08:27 GMT 1
Parasites.
Good riddance. Let them play on Lindley Rec, for all I care.
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Post by tockyterrier on Sept 17, 2024 21:44:53 GMT 1
Hypothetically, if Nagle/HTFC had control of stadium/HDone and built the stadium for the Giants on HDOne land.
1. Would charging rent to Giants count as income revenue to Town for FFP whilst investment in to the infrastructure wouldn't count as a cost.
2. Could town women and B team use it and even first team for friendlies etc.
3. Make it easier/more desirable to host large concerts at Stadium ( and smaller ones at the new stadium)?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 17, 2024 21:52:05 GMT 1
I wonder which site it was that they missed out on. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 17, 2024 22:27:06 GMT 1
Smashing chap is Ken Davey and i will be for ever grateful that you saved our football club, good luck Mr Davey in finding somewhere for the Claret and Gold.
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Post by stevvy on Sept 17, 2024 22:32:29 GMT 1
Never heard of him
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Post by soapystevens on Sept 17, 2024 22:51:58 GMT 1
I wonder which site it was that they missed out on. Maybe it was where the old sports centre was and now the new Uni building. The Police also wanted that site, so now they are building a big new Police station in Dewsbury while Huddersfield will be left with a diddy new Police station on Northgate. Apart from maybe the old Fartown and the old plant Nurseries site at Bradley i can't think of anywhere else suitable in Huddersfield |
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Post by yappledapple on Sept 17, 2024 22:55:38 GMT 1
Heard that two sites being considered (from somebody itk) but not the old Fartown ground or Lockwood RU as access too difficult at both.
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Post by Werlinger on Sept 18, 2024 6:31:01 GMT 1
Sithi 👋
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Post by detox on Sept 18, 2024 7:13:20 GMT 1
Heard that two sites being considered (from somebody itk) but not the old Fartown ground or Lockwood RU as access too difficult at both. One in Hanging Heaton the other in Sheffield....😅 |
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Post by incognito on Sept 18, 2024 9:19:45 GMT 1
Hypothetically, if Nagle/HTFC had control of stadium/HDone and built the stadium for the Giants on HDOne land. 1. Would charging rent to Giants count as income revenue to Town for FFP whilst investment in to the infrastructure wouldn't count as a cost. 2. Could town women and B team use it and even first team for friendlies etc. 3. Make it easier/more desirable to host large concerts at Stadium ( and smaller ones at the new stadium)? Hypothetically, yes. But I'm not sure that would work for the Giants. Along with the capacity 'rightsizing', their pursuit of 'Grade A' status (and a guaranteed Super League place) under this new IMG grading system will likely hinge on their ability to diversify revenue streams beyond those available to them as tenants. Strong parallels with HTAFC in that respect. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 18, 2024 9:34:25 GMT 1
This situation also brings home the pressures that the current arrangement has been up against with regard to external forces.
As a blueprint it seemed quite an honourable deal, but was concocted in different economic times.
I find it a bit of a shame all round, but it’s a sign of the times in some respects.
Others on here might be well informed enough to comment about the competencies of KSDL management over the years, and why the stadium hasn’t been able to attract other events beyond sport. By that I mean concerts, not the indoor stuff that happens regularly.
Even Wembley needs lots of non sporting stuff to keep the books healthy. This all feels like our council have missed a trick or two over the years.
It would also be interesting to see if there are similar ownership models for other new stadiums and how they’ve fared over the years.
Whatever happens, I hope it gets concluded quickly, but I’m not sure that KMC and the Giants will come out of this with much in the way of collateral.
Some people might see that as a great deal for Town fans, but as a local I hope other parties can come out of this with funds to put to good use elsewhere. The area bloody well needs it…
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 18, 2024 9:45:26 GMT 1
I wonder which site it was that they missed out on. Maybe it was where the old sports centre was and now the new Uni building. The Police also wanted that site, so now they are building a big new Police station in Dewsbury while Huddersfield will be left with a diddy new Police station on Northgate. Apart from maybe the old Fartown and the old plant Nurseries site at Bradley i can't think of anywhere else suitable in Huddersfield The old infirmary/Tech/Kirklees College site that has been demolished but where any development looks to have completely stalled for months after they've built just one wall would be an INCREDIBLE place to plonk a stadium! Might be a bit dangerous kicking balls out of the ground onto the ring road though! |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 18, 2024 9:46:16 GMT 1
Heard that two sites being considered (from somebody itk) but not the old Fartown ground or Lockwood RU as access too difficult at both. One in Hanging Heaton the other in Sheffield....😅 So Odsal Top is just a scurrilous rumour? |
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Post by detox on Sept 18, 2024 9:53:11 GMT 1
This situation also brings home the pressures that the current arrangement has been up against with regard to external forces. As a blueprint it seemed quite an honourable deal, but was concocted in different economic times. I find it a bit of a shame all round, but it’s a sign of the times in some respects. Others on here might be well informed enough to comment about the competencies of KSDL management over the years, and why the stadium hasn’t been able to attract other events beyond sport. By that I mean concerts, not the indoor stuff that happens regularly. Even Wembley needs lots of non sporting stuff to keep the books healthy. This all feels like our council have missed a trick or two over the years. It would also be interesting to see if there are similar ownership models for other new stadiums and how they’ve fared over the years. Whatever happens, I hope it gets concluded quickly, but I’m not sure that KMC and the Giants will come out of this with much in the way of collateral. Some people might see that as a great deal for Town fans, but as a local I hope other parties can come out of this with funds to put to good use elsewhere. The area bloody well needs it… Agree...it was unfortunate that the HDOne plans got hit by the economic downturn/austerity...the plans I saw were quite exciting. Since then Town made the PL and had to spend a ton of £ to revamp the JSS and I think this brought it home that there was no £ in the collective KSDL arrangement. KMC were getting twitchy, the Giants lost what little identity they had in the stadium, then Town declined with 2 relegations.. The new ownership has taken up the mantle but the legacy has turned the Giants and KMC cool leaving Nagle to go it alone. The Giants will get some £for their shareholding, as will KMC I guess albeit there's a lot of outstanding debt in there too. A HDTwo project is surely on the horizon as the site has massive potential which I'm sure a savvy Nagle spotted early on. Local jobs and businesses should benefit, as they should with the new Giants stadium...so the jobs prospects are good.
Once the JSS ownership has been sorted I'd expect to see exactly what Nagle has i store for the redevelopment, hopefully includes the restoration of the golf driving range...
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 18, 2024 11:38:50 GMT 1
Maybe it was where the old sports centre was and now the new Uni building. The Police also wanted that site, so now they are building a big new Police station in Dewsbury while Huddersfield will be left with a diddy new Police station on Northgate. Apart from maybe the old Fartown and the old plant Nurseries site at Bradley i can't think of anywhere else suitable in Huddersfield The old infirmary/Tech/Kirklees College site that has been demolished but where any development looks to have completely stalled for months after they've built just one wall would be an INCREDIBLE place to plonk a stadium! Might be a bit dangerous kicking balls out of the ground onto the ring road though! Lidl now own that site snd are going to be building a new supermarket there. The old infirmary is listed so it won't be getting demolished, apparently, it's going to be, well it was mooted, a retirement village type thing. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 18, 2024 11:55:48 GMT 1
The Giants haven't had an attendance over 4000 since July and the recent game against London Broncos attracted less than 3500. The Giants were not at home for something like seven games and while some on here are having a pathetic go at them because of their crowds even the away teams do not bring anywhere near as many fans with them has they use to do. Good luck to them where ever they end up and like Town they have one thing in common, they were once the greatest rugby league team in the country. Having a pathetic go? Or just stating facts? Despite the disparity in attendances, some people still claim that Huddersfield is a "rugby town" though. Wigan, now that's a rugby town. Also Warrington and St Helens but they don't have league football teams either. |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 18, 2024 12:00:53 GMT 1
The old infirmary/Tech/Kirklees College site that has been demolished but where any development looks to have completely stalled for months after they've built just one wall would be an INCREDIBLE place to plonk a stadium! Might be a bit dangerous kicking balls out of the ground onto the ring road though! Lidl now own that site snd are going to be building a new supermarket there. The old infirmary is listed so it won't be getting demolished, apparently, it's going to be, well it was mooted, a retirement village type thing. I know, I'm just saying it would be a brilliant place for a stadium. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Sept 18, 2024 12:08:47 GMT 1
The Giants were not at home for something like seven games and while some on here are having a pathetic go at them because of their crowds even the away teams do not bring anywhere near as many fans with them has they use to do. Good luck to them where ever they end up and like Town they have one thing in common, they were once the greatest rugby league team in the country. Having a pathetic go? Or just stating facts? Despite the disparity in attendances, some people still claim that Huddersfield is a "rugby town" though. Wigan, now that's a rugby town. Also Warrington and St Helens but they don't have league football teams either. Hull have a football and TWO RL teams that average over 10k. Now THAT is a RL town (city). |
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Post by ldr on Sept 18, 2024 12:09:09 GMT 1
A few years back, I had a chat with Ken Davy. I was at the stadium, parking my car. I can’t remember what I was doing, probably buying away tickets. I was at the top car park and he was just getting into his car.
He asked about my car, as it was electric and we had a bit of a chat about practicalities of going electric. I said sorry about his wife as it was around that time that she had passed and we got into death, bereavement and life in general. 20 minutes we were at it and we never mentioned Town or the Giants!
He was a lovely man, a real gent. Bright as a button and up for a bit of a laugh, even when in the midst of death chat.
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Post by Matt1908 on Sept 18, 2024 12:32:24 GMT 1
A few years back, I had a chat with Ken Davy. I was at the stadium, parking my car. I can’t remember what I was doing, probably buying away tickets. I was at the top car park and he was just getting into his car. He asked about my car, as it was electric and we had a bit of a chat about practicalities of going electric. I said sorry about his wife as it was around that time that she had passed and we got into death, bereavement and life in general. 20 minutes we were at it and we never mentioned Town or the Giants! He was a lovely man, a real gent. Bright as a button and up for a bit of a laugh, even when in the midst of death chat. A tenuous link but he was a friend of my mum's boss and I spent a lot of time at her workplace growing up, he was there regularly and he was genuinely a lovely bloke. He obviously has the Giants best interests at heart and nobody can blame him for that, if KN's purchase of the 20% shares helps fund a small stadium for the Giants then we can't have any issues with that. With KN's business acumen he must feel like he can recoup that outlay over time otherwise he just wouldn't do it. |
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Post by malcolmbrown on Sept 18, 2024 12:37:53 GMT 1
Bore off all you Giants haters, Rugby league is a man's game I'd love the Giants to thrive purely because I'm from Huddersfield. The problem for Rugby League is that it is a godawful spectator sport. Large men in a line run into each other, are hauled down to the floor, flounder like a salmon, get up and then repeat again and again. It's not just the Giants where crowds are falling, it's a Rugby League wide problem. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 18, 2024 13:09:53 GMT 1
Bore off all you Giants haters, Rugby league is a man's game I'd love the Giants to thrive purely because I'm from Huddersfield. The problem for Rugby League is that it is a godawful spectator sport. Large men in a line run into each other, are hauled down to the floor, flounder like a salmon, get up and then repeat again and again. It's not just the Giants where crowds are falling, it's a Rugby League wide problem. In the uk yeah but certainly not a RL problem the NRL is flourishing over in Australia |
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Post by detox on Sept 18, 2024 13:20:15 GMT 1
A few years back, I had a chat with Ken Davy. I was at the stadium, parking my car. I can’t remember what I was doing, probably buying away tickets. I was at the top car park and he was just getting into his car. He asked about my car, as it was electric and we had a bit of a chat about practicalities of going electric. I said sorry about his wife as it was around that time that she had passed and we got into death, bereavement and life in general. 20 minutes we were at it and we never mentioned Town or the Giants! He was a lovely man, a real gent. Bright as a button and up for a bit of a laugh, even when in the midst of death chat. A tenuous link but he was a friend of my mum's boss and I spent a lot of time at her workplace growing up, he was there regularly and he was genuinely a lovely bloke. He obviously has the Giants best interests at heart and nobody can blame him for that, if KN's purchase of the 20% shares helps fund a small stadium for the Giants then we can't have any issues with that. With KN's business acumen he must feel like he can recoup that outlay over time otherwise he just wouldn't do it. he's just sold 3m Fintel shares at £3 each, and retains 25 million shares in Fintel..He can afford a new stadium without any worries about cash.. |
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