merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 26, 2011 16:04:51 GMT 1
plumbs
'Nail on head' my fucking arse.
He can't bear to admit that he was wrong.
Rather than admit that the Tories weren't all bad and did a decent job he'd rather go down the route of calling them all c**** instead.
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brispie
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Post by brispie on Jan 26, 2011 17:53:18 GMT 1
I have very little doubt that if the tories had been in power from 97-10, we would still have been fucked.
When in opposition there was no serious gripe with the economic policy being followed by labour until it all suddenly went tits up. Everyone can be heroes with the benefit of hindsight.
You and most tories I know still talk as if the way that the condems are tackling this is the only possible way it could be done. That's bollocks. I'm not saying that there wouldn't have had to be pain, but a far better course could be negotiated. Certainly better than HAHAHAHAHA, fuck the public sector and the hundreds of thousands that we'll put on the dole.
And as for your last post, I said that I thought a short spell of tory government might not have been a bad thing. Certainly from the noises they were making in opposition. However, it's almost like they are the hooded claw and now that they are power they've changed from Sylvester Sneekly.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 26, 2011 18:18:14 GMT 1
The massive flaw in your argument is that both Thatcher and Major left their office without a deficit of any note. This wasn't what 'the people' wanted though was it?
Why would there be a serious gripe? The Labour government was throwing money at Labour voters, the pretend sick, the career doleites, public sector prick jobs, those NHS PFI bollocky things...they wouldn't moan would they.
I wasn't bothered either. Why should I be? I'm alright because I didn't do stupid things - I didn't live beyond my means and I wasn't one of the many clowns that borrowed money and entered into agreements that I had no hope of paying back.
My conscience is clear because I didn't vote the stupid c**** in. One thing is for certain though, I'm not just going to sit around and let the Labour supporters attack the Tories for a problem that was 100% the responsibilty of the Labour government.
Part of me wishes that Labour had stayed in and then I could have sat back and pissed myself laughing (fair play should have dictated that they sorted out their own sorry mess) but it's not like that though is it because to have that would have just fucked us up even more. At the end of the day, it isn't funny though is it - it's not a game of monopoly where the Tories can twat the fucking houses and hotels around, tip the fucking board in the air and throw the fucking hat at the boz eyed Scottish twat and the prick with the black eyebrows is it?
Everyone knew deep down that this was a problem for a generation when it became big news a year or 2 back. We've not even started yet and most of Labour lefties can't stomach it.
Nobody to blame but yourselves though because you never once questioned where all the money was coming from. Do you honestly believe that the Tories just don't give money away because, as Elt would have you believe, they are just c****. No, its because it doesn't grow on fucking trees.
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Post by markelt on Jan 26, 2011 20:24:32 GMT 1
The massive flaw in your argument is that both Thatcher and Major left their office without a deficit of any note. This wasn't what 'the people' wanted though was it? Why would there be a serious gripe? The Labour government was throwing money at Labour voters, the pretend sick, the career doleites, public sector prick jobs, those NHS PFI bollocky things...they wouldn't moan would they. I wasn't bothered either. Why should I be? I'm alright because I didn't do stupid things - I didn't live beyond my means and I wasn't one of the many clowns that borrowed money and entered into agreements that I had no hope of paying back. My conscience is clear because I didn't vote the stupid c**** in. One thing is for certain though, I'm not just going to sit around and let the Labour supporters attack the Tories for a problem that was 100% the responsibilty of the Labour government. Part of me wishes that Labour had stayed in and then I could have sat back and pissed myself laughing (fair play should have dictated that they sorted out their own sorry mess) but it's not like that though is it because to have that would have just fucked us up even more. At the end of the day, it isn't funny though is it - it's not a game of monopoly where the Tories can twat the fucking houses and hotels around, tip the fucking board in the air and throw the fucking hat at the boz eyed Scottish twat and the prick with the black eyebrows is it? Everyone knew deep down that this was a problem for a generation when it became big news a year or 2 back. We've not even started yet and most of Labour lefties can't stomach it. Nobody to blame but yourselves though because you never once questioned where all the money was coming from. Do you honestly believe that the Tories just don't give money away because, as Elt would have you believe, they are just c****. No, its because it doesn't grow on fucking trees. Are you mental?
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plumbs
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Post by plumbs on Jan 27, 2011 3:07:27 GMT 1
plumbs 'Nail on head' my fucking arse. He can't bear to admit that he was wrong. Rather than admit that the Tories weren't all bad and did a decent job he'd rather go down the route of calling them all c**** instead. Think you've missed the point-the country has been in turmoil since the electorate voted for a minimal income tax threshold which Thatch was keen to implement,but then expected the same level of service as previously ie NHS on demand etc.From that moment on its been an effort to pay for the public services required,and each government has lurched from crisis to another in an effort to balance the books. The issue was exacerbated by the Tories 'failsafe' of pruning everything that grows,and New Labour MK2 deciding to throw money at it in an effort to get it to flourish and flower.At the end of it the less fortunate ones of society have been the ones who've suffered as thats invariably where the first dollop of shit lands, but that then affects others further up the ladder. So normal folk become disinterested in politics,feel isolated and unwilling to contribute to society-which fosters the resentment and hatred we see in most aspects of life.Politicians of yesteryear ie MacMillan understood this and todays mob-Labour,Lib or Tory-could learn a lot from the way he conducted his politics.Mind you he did think Thatcher was c*** but thats another issue.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 9:09:30 GMT 1
It's starts earlier than Thatcher though doesn't it?
She had to turn around a country that was also in the shit for many of the same reasons that we are in the shit now.
It's not a difficult concept.Thatcher wanted people to keep their own money and spend it on what they wanted. She didn't see why we should be forced to pay into a big pot for things that we simply didn't want. Of course, there are core things that are required and it is a balancing act - one that the last few Tory govenments have made a far better job at than their Labour counterparts.
If the 'normal folk' can't understand this basic and obvious notion then so be it - no wonder we keep going back to more cuddly Labour government that will only end up fucking us over. It's just like the 'strict v nice' parents argument but where the strict ones will make you clean your teeth and do your homework and the nice ones give you a fiver a day to eat 3 bags of crisps, 5 curly wurlys and bag of skittles.
Besides, the less fortunate are often less fortunate for a very good reason and its mainly because they don't help themfuckingselves.
Is that all you can manage Elt? You must be struggling.
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 9:24:29 GMT 1
No. I can't be bothered. You're not interested and neither is anybody esle.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 9:33:54 GMT 1
Of course not sweetheart. ;D
You had to give up on the Pulis argument too didn't you.
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 9:37:02 GMT 1
The problem is merk, you're not arguing with anything anybody else is saying. You've made up an argument. It's like watching a budgie with a mirror
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 10:36:10 GMT 1
Ahh..the old straw man cop out.
Wondered how long it would take.
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 10:58:17 GMT 1
It's not a strawman. You're just having the argument you want to have. I think my political views are more aligned to consensus conservatives than the left. I think the Major government established the solid economy we enjoyed for a number of years and there's no way a new Labour government would solve anything. Merk yesterday
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 11:55:09 GMT 1
Tory hating jibber
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plumbs
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Post by plumbs on Jan 27, 2011 12:42:13 GMT 1
It's starts earlier than Thatcher though doesn't it? She had to turn around a country that was also in the shit for many of the same reasons that we are in the shit now. It's not a difficult concept.Thatcher wanted people to keep their own money and spend it on what they wanted. . Besides, the less fortunate are often less fortunate for a very good reason and its mainly because they don't help themfuckingselves. Depends on what we're talking about with respect to Thatcher-certainly previous governments struggled with the post 60's boom years,but politics was more about consensus then-Thatch brought in new thinking which led to a more divisive Britain IMO,although I'd agree that some of the policies at the time benefitted the man in the street. Wielding the axe without due consideration to the long term impacts and giving away utilities for buttons,did however leave a legacy which we're still suffering from today and which is almost impossible to turn around. Its part of civilised life that we have the less fortunate and that will always be the case,so we either do something to help them or just look away which is what the present government seems to be doing. Tackling societies problems though from the bottom end though isnt the way forward-putting resources into achieving greater revenues from those who are more able to pay is the right thing to do-which might also mean increasing the income tax rates,and as the Tories have ham-fistedly done with VAT and continued where Labour left off with fuel duty hikes. Should make for an interesting next election for those who can be bothered to vote
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Post by Wizaard on Jan 27, 2011 12:46:41 GMT 1
"Do you honestly believe that the Tories just don't give money away because, as Elt would have you believe, they are just c****. No, its because it doesn't grow on fucking trees."
Apparently it does grow on trees, hence the stitch up of the sale of chunks of the Forestry Commission with all that means for loss of access to our land in the name of making a few quid for their chums.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 13:04:15 GMT 1
I suppose we should split out 'less fortunate' then because I bet the pot that I would help and to what extent is a lot different than yours/Elts/New Labours.
We have to tackle the problem from both ends but the present government are hamstrung though aren't they? It's not a balancing act with that level of debt - it's a fucking tightrope with no safety net.
I think I will vote Labour for the first time as I'll do better if the government starts wanking away vast sums of money again on useless public sector projects.
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 13:09:01 GMT 1
Sit down. Chill out. Have some millet and shut the fuck up.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 13:16:23 GMT 1
fickle c*** you elt
moaned when i wasn't on here
moan now i am
no wonder your views are so hazy and fucked up
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 13:27:20 GMT 1
Squawk
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 13:35:24 GMT 1
Budgies chirp you retarded prick!
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 13:54:22 GMT 1
Remember when we had dockers? Kids today don't know what a docker is. Thanks to Thatch*.
*Intertextuality
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 14:03:12 GMT 1
Is there supposed to be some picture there?
Looks like it's being blocked.
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 14:06:02 GMT 1
Instead of being a drain on somebody else's company, you should join us entrepreneurs who embody the go-getting Thatcher mentality. We make a real difference and can watch whatever shit we like. There's no barriers to entry in what you do. You just need good contacts and an engaging personality.
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Post by JohnnyNeptune on Jan 27, 2011 14:19:21 GMT 1
i'd say there was a barrier to that. you'd need to be argentinian. and nice to poor people.
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merkin
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Post by merkin on Jan 27, 2011 14:21:41 GMT 1
I can't afford to work for myself.
I have to sponge off the back of others.
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plumbs
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Post by plumbs on Jan 27, 2011 15:38:01 GMT 1
There's no barriers to entry in what you do. You just need good contacts and an engaging personality. Thats a couple of things that robbie needs to pick up on then if he's to make his way in the real world ;D
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Post by markelt on Jan 27, 2011 15:51:42 GMT 1
It's too late to save Robbie now.
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brispie
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Post by brispie on Jan 28, 2011 14:00:43 GMT 1
That's our fundemental difference merk. I'm happy to pay more in to the pot if it's for the good of everyone.
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Post by owlie on Jan 28, 2011 14:24:13 GMT 1
It's one thing trying to help the common man in the street, but you need the money to do it. Labour banked in there being an end to boom and bust and life in perpetual boom or, more likely, knew that come the bust the Tories would jump in to look Luke the selfish bad boys.
Looking after the poor is all well and good, but you can't bankrupt the country to do it.
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Post by Wizaard on Jan 28, 2011 14:42:12 GMT 1
While Brispy is happy to pay into the pot, merk is lined up to piss in it.
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plumbs
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Post by plumbs on Jan 28, 2011 15:01:48 GMT 1
Looking after the poor is all well and good, but you can't bankrupt the country to do it. Agreed although I'm not sure the Tories have the right approach-selling off vast quantities of Forests to the very rich isnt one way for instance,nor is allowing already well salaried people to get an even bigger slice of the cake come 'bonus' time-especially in the public sector
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