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Post by fgrfc_dan on Jan 28, 2011 15:43:48 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that Labour raised money by selling off all our gold (presumably by sticking it in the post to an address they saw on a daytime TV ad.)
The forests are being sold because there's literally fuck all else to sell. Everything's been sold to try and remedy previous fuck-ups by both sides and now we've got nothing at all.
Country's fucked. Probably best to get out while we still can.
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Post by plumbs on Jan 28, 2011 16:32:17 GMT 1
Country's fucked. Probably best to get out while we still can. Probably the best call of the lot.Just thinking Dan youre the resident Forest expert so no-ones going to argue with you You coming up for the Fleetwood game tomorrow?
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Jan 28, 2011 16:41:37 GMT 1
Can't, unfortunately, as I'm playing 5-a-side in Leeds at 1. Otherwise I probably would have done as I've never been to Fleetwood.
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Post by markelt on Mar 2, 2011 9:32:08 GMT 1
Apparently the current shit is overwhelmingly down to the banks bailout, according to the Governor of the Bank of England yesterday. Just thought I'd mention it. So it's the fault of the banks, last Labour government and the Tories who backed them all the way.
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Post by merkin on Mar 3, 2011 9:24:36 GMT 1
Rubbish
The buck stops with the Labour government who were in for over a decade and were warned of a possible banking crisis but chose to do nothing about it.
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Post by brispie on Mar 3, 2011 10:39:20 GMT 1
It's not what the report has said and what most sane people have been trying to say for ages.
I loved Mervyn King, yes Mervyn King of the BANK of England, saying that he wonders why people aren't angrier at the banks as the public are all paying for their stupidity.
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 10:58:45 GMT 1
Rubbish The buck stops with the Labour government who were in for over a decade and were warned of a possible banking crisis but chose to do nothing about it. LALALALALALALALALALALA Tories demanding greater regulation of the financial sector were they? Project Merlin = 'Come on guys. We need to be seen to do something. Just promise this and that and we'll leave you alone.' Big Society = 'Give us your money to pay for the banking crisis and fuck off' All in it together Merk. The Banks fucked up the economy with the collusion of all three parties. And still it goes on.
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Post by merkin on Mar 3, 2011 11:38:40 GMT 1
The money isn't just for the banking crisis.
It's for the general deficit which was fucking massive even before the crisis.
The banks fucked up because the government, the FSA and Mervyn and Co all had better things to do it seems.
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 12:13:22 GMT 1
And the Tories who cheered it all the way through. And are keeping up the good work even now. LALALALALALALALALA
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 12:17:02 GMT 1
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Mar 3, 2011 12:34:40 GMT 1
That data suggests that things were at least superficially fine until the Labour government of the mid-70s and that they've been royally fucked since. I blame the unions.
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 12:42:05 GMT 1
The only solution according to Tory ideology on subisdies for catastrophically failed industries should have been to let the banks go to the wall surely. Otherwise they just look like a bunch of hypocritical chancers* who want some industries to go to the wall for ideological reasons but not others.
*Just like Labour in fact.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Mar 3, 2011 12:53:56 GMT 1
They probably could have done if we weren't so reliant on the banks, having let every other industry die.
Trying to pin blame on any one group of people is utterly pointless. The unions are c****, Labour are c**** and the Tories are utter c****. Just like in most sports we created the rules and the framework and now all we can do is bitch and moan amongst ourselves when other countries do better than us.
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Post by merkin on Mar 3, 2011 12:55:08 GMT 1
That's the site I introduced you to and linked on here about a month ago you fucking moron Didn't Cameron suggest that he would have let Northern Rock go? I'm sure Brown ridiculed him for it. In the end, Cameron had no such choice to make though did he. The data suggests that Maggie had a tough time but left it in a decent state (grey man hates her), that Major had a really tough time (grey man says he was the one that fixed it all) but left it in a decent state and then Labour comes in. Instead of following a smiliar cycle of Thatcher and Major though with stabilised times, we have the banking crisis.....which is no way the fault of the government of 13 years...but a collusion of the parties.
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 13:06:07 GMT 1
I've changed my mind about what you're like. You're more like one of those mad Japanese soldiers fighting on in an imaginary war. Credit to you though, you fight on even after you've won - like with pulis - or lost - like with this.
Dan is right. You're wrong. Sayonara
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Post by merkin on Mar 3, 2011 13:40:44 GMT 1
Don't be silly
I agree with much of what Dan has to say.
Not all other industries have died at all but I do agree that they were certainly not helped by the unions. Some industries became uncompetitive on the global scene and its been a fight to recover.
It doesn't matter whether people are c**** or not or what their motivations are - all that matters is the end result. I'd even let you run the country if I thought you would do a better job than the current lot.
We haven't been royally fucked since, the country has just made some pretty bad choices at the wrong times. Until the country learns to live within its means - governments and its voters - then we will continually have problems.
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Post by markelt on Mar 3, 2011 14:26:19 GMT 1
A wanker writes:
I've always held to what Aldous Huxley says that ends cannot justify the means, because the means determine the ends. It does matter if we have c**** in charge because they will produce cuntish results.
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Post by Bernie on Mar 3, 2011 14:40:12 GMT 1
I'm still not sure whether the cuntishness can be applied over the political spectrum, if it just resides at one end or at the extremes.
History seems to indicate it's merely a question of whether you want the commissar who shoots you in the back of the neck to be wearing an ill-fitting baggy green number or something more in the shiny, black and leathery category.
Anyway, back to the bunker. This tinned food won't inventory itself.
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Post by AndyM on Mar 3, 2011 14:40:14 GMT 1
If any of the parties had the bottle to increase the basic rate of income tax (for the good of the country) we would not have to make such drastic cuts.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Mar 3, 2011 14:48:47 GMT 1
The cuntishness applies to everybody.
Tories are openly selfish c**** who believe in people with money keeping it.
Old Labour were selfish working class c**** who believed in people with money giving it all to people without.
New Labour are thinly disguised selfish c**** who need to be distinguishable from Tories but realised they'd only get elected if they allowed people to be selfish.
Environmentalists are selfish c**** who want some kind of de-industrialised world without realising how much of their lifestyles depend on it.
Fascists are evil c****.
Communists are naive, misguided c****.
Liberals are whichever sort of c*** is most popular at the time.
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Post by merkin on Mar 3, 2011 14:56:12 GMT 1
Dan
Then all voters are c****.
My point is that they aren't any different to the average man on the street. If the average man on the street did actually get there then I'm sure they would act in exactly the same way.
Exhibit A....Lord Prescott you honour.
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Post by Will_75 on Mar 3, 2011 15:10:39 GMT 1
grammar aside , merk's right about that one. terry pratchett* has a great footnote in which he explains how dictatorship (one man, one vote. and he is that man) became the default system of govering ankh morpork. he details a couple of alternative systems, including their pros and cons, and in passing refers to democracy, in which the man in the street is placed in government of his peers and promises not to put on airs, or to work towards his own material gain, as the stuff of music-hall ridicule... *yes, i know. try it, you might like it. never a truer word and all that
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Post by Bernie on Mar 3, 2011 15:27:27 GMT 1
<opens mouth, draws in breath. Thinks better of it and closes mouth, then wanders away head slowly shaking and seething with themes from "Starship Trooper" (Book, NOT film)>
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Post by Will_75 on Mar 3, 2011 16:10:52 GMT 1
how do you seethe with themes?
am intrigued...
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Post by plumbs on Mar 3, 2011 16:23:17 GMT 1
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Post by Bernie on Mar 3, 2011 16:54:36 GMT 1
You mean you are seething with a theme.
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Post by ab on Mar 3, 2011 22:56:30 GMT 1
A wanker writes: I've always held to what Aldous Huxley says that ends cannot justify the means, because the means determine the ends. It does matter if we have c**** in charge because they will produce cuntish results. Botzarelli's First. So, meh to it all.
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Post by merkin on Mar 8, 2011 9:47:52 GMT 1
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Post by brispie on Mar 8, 2011 10:05:05 GMT 1
And this government are really kick starting that growth aren't they? Good times are just round the corner and the banks are coming to heel and finally opening their purse strings?
Good to see they aren't fucking it up internationally either. Good old William Hague. It's all a bit embarrassing.
Anyway, it won't be long now.
May: AV vote lost May: Lib Dems decimated at the local elections May: Clegg forced to resign June: New incumbent at the lib dems who realises that getting into bed with the tories set their party back 30 years November: General election.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Mar 8, 2011 10:14:15 GMT 1
Aside from the fact that there are plenty of indications that things are looking up, and the yes to AV bunch are ahead in the polls.
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