Alex McLeish

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Aug 17, 2014 21:30:13 GMT 1 raggytash said:

ALEX FERGUSON would'nt be good enough for some on here.

Past it.

[kautostar1]

Very good manager. Shit football though.

[dalesterrier]

Aug 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Just because people say they wouldnt want him doesnt necessarily mean they are saying he's not 'good enough' to do a job for hudderfield town...or devaluing past achievements.

Thing with mcleish is his CV looks decent with the promotion and cup win, but for me they wouldnt be the first things i;d look at for manager of huddersfield town 2014. There would be a lot come before that in terms of the right appointment for me. 

I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a manager with promotions - because i think that's a bit of a way off..if we were a team trying a failing to get promoted each year (like when we hired grayson), then maybe...

i'd more be looking for a manager that could add a promotion to his CV a few years down the line because he was smart, innovative and able to bring it all together....which for me would be a reasonably young (in other words modern) manager...who is a good coach, can make us solid..but not at the expense of playing good attacking football (the only way we'll get punters in), bring youngsters though, have fight, passion etc..but most of all ambition - think this really is key at our club as it is. we need someone who will DRAG the club up the league through sheer determination...if we start going for 'job done' managers we'll end up like barnsley..treading water at the bottom until we finally slip down.

I know the whole "project" idea gives people nightmares of lee clark, but to be honest we were right...we just didnt pick the right man. I dont expect us to get someone who matches all that criteria but they would be the things id be looking for.

The short team threat of relegation is obviously the priority, but id still be looking for a long term appointment who fits the club philosophy. 


Sounds like Chris Powell to me looking at that

[Captainslapper]

Aug 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Just because people say they wouldnt want him doesnt necessarily mean they are saying he's not 'good enough' to do a job for hudderfield town...or devaluing past achievements.

Thing with mcleish is his CV looks decent with the promotion and cup win, but for me they wouldnt be the first things i;d look at for manager of huddersfield town 2014. There would be a lot come before that in terms of the right appointment for me. 

I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a manager with promotions - because i think that's a bit of a way off..if we were a team trying a failing to get promoted each year (like when we hired grayson), then maybe...

i'd more be looking for a manager that could add a promotion to his CV a few years down the line because he was smart, innovative and able to bring it all together....which for me would be a reasonably young (in other words modern) manager...who is a good coach, can make us solid..but not at the expense of playing good attacking football (the only way we'll get punters in), bring youngsters though, have fight, passion etc..but most of all ambition - think this really is key at our club as it is. we need someone who will DRAG the club up the league through sheer determination...if we start going for 'job done' managers we'll end up like barnsley..treading water at the bottom until we finally slip down.

I know the whole "project" idea gives people nightmares of lee clark, but to be honest we were right...we just didnt pick the right man. I dont expect us to get someone who matches all that criteria but they would be the things id be looking for.

The short team threat of relegation is obviously the priority, but id still be looking for a long term appointment who fits the club philosophy. 

But thats just what i think people are saying IMO. certain names crop up and the instant response is negative- not good enough for us.
Interesting that the response to Kluivert seems much more positive. Why though? A big time player but no managerial experience that i know of, no experience of the championship. Seems like a complete stab in the dark to me, yet he gets a much more positive reaction than a hugely experienced and proven name like McLeish? Don't get it at all.

Accept what you're saying in that winning titles and cups isn't overly relevant for where we are just now, but achievements like that do show that a manager has in the past put together sides with winning mentalities, winning tactics, made winning signings etc.

The problem with a young manager who is yet to do anything of note is its just such a huge gamble. They'll all talk the talk in the interviews- say all the right things. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and it seems less of a gamble to put your faith in someone who can point to a proven winning track record on his CV than someone who just thinks he can do it.

Glad i don't have to make the decision. Whoever gets it the chances are a lot of fans will be happy and a lot will be disappointed.
But its just down to luck as much as anything. We could appoint someone most people like and he could take us down or we could have this board going into meltdown at the man who gets it and he could take us up.

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Aug 18, 2014 6:55:45 GMT 1 dalesterrier said:

Aug 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Just because people say they wouldnt want him doesnt necessarily mean they are saying he's not 'good enough' to do a job for hudderfield town...or devaluing past achievements.

Thing with mcleish is his CV looks decent with the promotion and cup win, but for me they wouldnt be the first things i;d look at for manager of huddersfield town 2014. There would be a lot come before that in terms of the right appointment for me. 

I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a manager with promotions - because i think that's a bit of a way off..if we were a team trying a failing to get promoted each year (like when we hired grayson), then maybe...

i'd more be looking for a manager that could add a promotion to his CV a few years down the line because he was smart, innovative and able to bring it all together....which for me would be a reasonably young (in other words modern) manager...who is a good coach, can make us solid..but not at the expense of playing good attacking football (the only way we'll get punters in), bring youngsters though, have fight, passion etc..but most of all ambition - think this really is key at our club as it is. we need someone who will DRAG the club up the league through sheer determination...if we start going for 'job done' managers we'll end up like barnsley..treading water at the bottom until we finally slip down.

I know the whole "project" idea gives people nightmares of lee clark, but to be honest we were right...we just didnt pick the right man. I dont expect us to get someone who matches all that criteria but they would be the things id be looking for.

The short team threat of relegation is obviously the priority, but id still be looking for a long term appointment who fits the club philosophy. 


Sounds like Chris Powell to me looking at that

that sir is a sensible and well thought out post.

[townatheart]

Aug 18, 2014 9:52:05 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Aug 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Just because people say they wouldnt want him doesnt necessarily mean they are saying he's not 'good enough' to do a job for hudderfield town...or devaluing past achievements.

Thing with mcleish is his CV looks decent with the promotion and cup win, but for me they wouldnt be the first things i;d look at for manager of huddersfield town 2014. There would be a lot come before that in terms of the right appointment for me. 

I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a manager with promotions - because i think that's a bit of a way off..if we were a team trying a failing to get promoted each year (like when we hired grayson), then maybe...

i'd more be looking for a manager that could add a promotion to his CV a few years down the line because he was smart, innovative and able to bring it all together....which for me would be a reasonably young (in other words modern) manager...who is a good coach, can make us solid..but not at the expense of playing good attacking football (the only way we'll get punters in), bring youngsters though, have fight, passion etc..but most of all ambition - think this really is key at our club as it is. we need someone who will DRAG the club up the league through sheer determination...if we start going for 'job done' managers we'll end up like barnsley..treading water at the bottom until we finally slip down.

I know the whole "project" idea gives people nightmares of lee clark, but to be honest we were right...we just didnt pick the right man. I dont expect us to get someone who matches all that criteria but they would be the things id be looking for.

The short team threat of relegation is obviously the priority, but id still be looking for a long term appointment who fits the club philosophy. 

But thats just what i think people are saying IMO. certain names crop up and the instant response is negative- not good enough for us.
Interesting that the response to Kluivert seems much more positive. Why though? A big time player but no managerial experience that i know of, no experience of the championship. Seems like a complete stab in the dark to me, yet he gets a much more positive reaction than a hugely experienced and proven name like McLeish? Don't get it at all.

Accept what you're saying in that winning titles and cups isn't overly relevant for where we are just now, but achievements like that do show that a manager has in the past put together sides with winning mentalities, winning tactics, made winning signings etc.

The problem with a young manager who is yet to do anything of note is its just such a huge gamble. They'll all talk the talk in the interviews- say all the right things. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and it seems less of a gamble to put your faith in someone who can point to a proven winning track record on his CV than someone who just thinks he can do it.

Glad i don't have to make the decision. Whoever gets it the chances are a lot of fans will be happy and a lot will be disappointed.
But its just down to luck as much as anything. We could appoint someone most people like and he could take us down or we could have this board going into meltdown at the man who gets it and he could take us up.

excellent posts, both ritchie and captain, you both say a lot in a positive way

[galpharm2400]

I think everyone who has ever been a manager has now had a mention, well all those still knocking about who are out of work.

If its true that 50 odd actually formally applied for the one job, it appears to be on a par with working at Aldi..


I am waiting with much interest on this appointment.



galpharm2400 official bullshitter for the no news-network and Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Correspondent for the Islamic State Times.

[OldRastrickian]

But if the Scots vote for independence, would he be deported as an illegal alien?

[Deleted]

Mcleish has just been on the morning view on SSN. Not the best talker and doesn't look too enthusiastic to me. Hoyle stated he wanted a motivator and leader of men. Someone with a bit of fire.
Obviously he's only being interviewed on Sky but doesn't strike me as having any of the above

[htafctaunton]

Aug 17, 2014 21:30:13 GMT 1 raggytash said:

ALEX FERGUSON would'nt be good enough for some on here.

F@k me!! - don't mention Ferguson : another big-time charlie if ever there was one!!!! What a loser, 25yrs a manager and won bugger all!!

[showaddywaddywaddy]

Like someone said on another post, it simply isn't all black and white and i think we are guilty of being brainwashed by media. If Town had been offered the chance to talk to a proven manager who had managed at the top flight and international level as well as being a strong enough character to handle a dressing room then once upon a time McLeish would have been seen as a coup. However in the age of Sky Sports News and 24 hour media bombardment we are are led to think negative or positive, no grey area. Why would Lennon be a better call than McLeish (not saying he shouldn't be) but why? Because speaks better on Goals On Sunday? Mowbray was once considered a potential top manager, now is dour... Mick Buxton could barely string a sentence together that i could translate on the radio when he was manager but he put a couple of fine teams together that filled us with pride. For the record Hughton is too nice and Davies is too nasty.

[Deleted]

Aug 18, 2014 14:30:05 GMT 1 showaddywaddywaddy said:

Like someone said on another post, it simply isn't all black and white and i think we are guilty of being brainwashed by media. If Town had been offered the chance to talk to a proven manager who had managed at the top flight and international level as well as being a strong enough character to handle a dressing room then once upon a time McLeish would have been seen as a coup. However in the age of Sky Sports News and 24 hour media bombardment we are are led to think negative or positive, no grey area. Why would Lennon be a better call than McLeish (not saying he shouldn't be) but why? Because speaks better on Goals On Sunday? Mowbray was once considered a potential top manager, now is dour... Mick Buxton could barely string a sentence together that i could translate on the radio when he was manager but he put a couple of fine teams together that filled us with pride. For the record Hughton is too nice and Davies is too nasty.

Have watched Rodgers, Mourinho, Dyche, Van Gall and Howe all on SSN today. All give you the impression that what they say they mean. They have conviction.
I ain't no body language expert but put Alex McLeish in front of me in an interview and I wouldn't be bowled over by his dynamic character. The same could be said of LC, SG and MR.
Call my slightly picky, but if I were selecting the new guy he would have to make me believe immediately. Not 6 months down the line when it gone tits up

[showaddywaddywaddy]

I'd rather give time to a young unproven manager to see if he can motivate and tactically organise a team OR appoint a proven name who is established with good connections and managed big personalities ideally with some promotion form under his belt. I want a football manager not a sales executive. And incidently 6 months is no time to judge.

[canuckterrier]

McLeish had a great record, up until 3 years ago. Then somehow things went off the rails. He gets Brum relegated and quits and a week later joins their hated rivals across town. Probably not the wisest decision to say the least. Put up one of the worst managerial performances in Villa's history and was canned. Then on to Forest for a few months, where again he performed poorly. He then decides he's had enough and quits. I just think his heart isn't in it anymore. Maybe the break away has refreshed his batteries but I don't think it is worth the gamble.

[showaddywaddywaddy]

I'm neither for or against McLleish by the way. However think it's wrong to let public perception driven by media influence.

[showaddywaddywaddy]

I personally want Powell.I would imagine one of the first conversations the managers agent has with the club prior to agreeing to join is 'what is the deal when I leave'. As the expected lifespan for a manager is less than 18 months or whatever. I think someone like Chris Powell would want to plant some roots and be part of the club building for the future. Forget this about being from London, means nothing. Professional football manager end of story. My only worry would be can he ignore us ..? because any good manager needs to avoid the temptation to take any notice of forums, phone ins and polls. Good luck whoever it is.

[keithAM11532]

There is a reason why (nearly)all of these managers applying for the position are out of work. Something somewhere went wrong. If it happened once it can happen again. I think it has a huge amount to do with the dynamic between players and manager. The Moyes experiment is a classic example of this. No one would argue against his record at Everton - no one. yet he couldn't survive a single season at Man u. Even though we all knew he was in the frame for years before his appointment. I don't think the majority of the names being touted will inspire our players - particularly McLeish and Davies. A number on here appreciate we need a Kluivert/Lennon type character.

[showaddywaddywaddy]

Sorry, what do you mean by Kluivert/Lennon type character? Sorry not sure if you mean because have played in the top level?

[Deleted]

If we could get Kluivert that would be one hell of a thing. Unfortunately for us it'll be Elvis or Mowbray......

[Deleted]

Aug 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Just because people say they wouldnt want him doesnt necessarily mean they are saying he's not 'good enough' to do a job for hudderfield town...or devaluing past achievements.

Thing with mcleish is his CV looks decent with the promotion and cup win, but for me they wouldnt be the first things i;d look at for manager of huddersfield town 2014. There would be a lot come before that in terms of the right appointment for me. 

I wouldn't necessarily be looking for a manager with promotions - because i think that's a bit of a way off..if we were a team trying a failing to get promoted each year (like when we hired grayson), then maybe...

i'd more be looking for a manager that could add a promotion to his CV a few years down the line because he was smart, innovative and able to bring it all together....which for me would be a reasonably young (in other words modern) manager...who is a good coach, can make us solid..but not at the expense of playing good attacking football (the only way we'll get punters in), bring youngsters though, have fight, passion etc..but most of all ambition - think this really is key at our club as it is. we need someone who will DRAG the club up the league through sheer determination...if we start going for 'job done' managers we'll end up like barnsley..treading water at the bottom until we finally slip down.

I know the whole "project" idea gives people nightmares of lee clark, but to be honest we were right...we just didnt pick the right man. I dont expect us to get someone who matches all that criteria but they would be the things id be looking for.

The short team threat of relegation is obviously the priority, but id still be looking for a long term appointment who fits the club philosophy. 

Lee Clark seems like the ideal man for the job!

[showaddywaddywaddy]

An instant feel good factor appointment would be great as long as it leads to long term progress.. remember Warnock's first season at Leeds Road? gates of 4000 and folk vowing never to go back and watch, but he knew what he was doing and eventually the year after had us at Wembley twice. Unfortunately in today's society it wont happen, we don't have the patience and we look at league tables 4 matches into a season. Shame but its the X Factor society we live in.

[showaddywaddywaddy]

mkterrier, I may be shot down but I honestly believe if Clark had stuck to his original principles and attempted to build on the Millwall play off defeat in the same manner he'd started the job then we may have had a rosier future under him. Sadly that awful spell of playing one striker and trying not to lose eventually undid him.

[Deleted]

Managed rangers,Scotland and villa but not good enough for us??? You what??

remember mick wadsworth?

[Captainslapper]

Aug 18, 2014 15:20:54 GMT 1 showaddywaddywaddy said:

I'm neither for or against McLleish by the way. However think it's wrong to let public perception driven by media influence.

spot on mate. Im beginning to think their pazazz in front of a microphone is the most important factor for some fans. Like they have to be cracking jokes, maybe bursting into a Sinatra classic and generally being witty, dominant, clever, hillarious, honest, entertaining.

We shouldn't hold interviews, we should hold auditions!

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Aug 18, 2014 15:56:33 GMT 1 @melthamnut said:

Managed rangers,Scotland and villa but not good enough for us??? You what??

remember mick wadsworth?

Me and you could have taken Rangers to a top 2 finish season after season daddy. Not too sure how he went on at Villa but don't think it went particularly well

[goodshot (FGS)]

Aug 18, 2014 16:49:40 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Aug 18, 2014 15:20:54 GMT 1 showaddywaddywaddy said:

I'm neither for or against McLleish by the way. However think it's wrong to let public perception driven by media influence.

spot on mate. Im beginning to think their pazazz in front of a microphone is the most important factor for some fans. Like they have to be cracking jokes, maybe bursting into a Sinatra classic and generally being witty, dominant, clever, hillarious, honest, entertaining.

We shouldn't hold interviews, we should hold auditions![/quote]

Now that might be a reality tv show in the making.

[yorkie1]

Wouldn't have been on my list but probably the right sort of background. Just a worry about the more recent record.

[jl195480]

I think that the fundamental problem here is that Town have tried three managers now who are "safe" "sensible" and "know the championship". And where has it got us? Can we be sure that Mowbray and McLeish won't be the same as the last three? This is why Kluivert is interesting the fans. He is different.

One thing that I would expect is that, if Kluivert was our manager, he would come in with an old-head type of assistant manager.

As far as I am concerned, my vote would be for Kluivert simply because I feel that we have to try something new. This, of course, doesn't mean that he will be any more or less successful than any other candidate.However, it would be interesting and my impression is that Town fans are looking for something interesting to raise their spirits.

[Captainslapper]

Kluivert isn't something new though. Hes a dutch lee Clark- ie a managerial novice who's done a bit of coaching to whatever level.

Mowbray and McLeish would be something different, in that they've actually got a history of success and failure

[goodshot (FGS)]

Aug 18, 2014 17:02:37 GMT 1 jl195480 said:

I think that the fundamental problem here is that Town have tried three managers now who are "safe" "sensible" and "know the championship". And where has it got us? Can we be sure that Mowbray and McLeish won't be the same as the last three? This is why Kluivert is interesting the fans. He is different.

One thing that I would expect is that, if Kluivert was our manager, he would come in with an old-head type of assistant manager.

As far as I am concerned, my vote would be for Kluivert simply because I feel that we have to try something new. This, of course, doesn't mean that he will be any more or less successful than any other candidate.However, it would be interesting and my impression is that Town fans are looking for something interesting to raise their spirits.

Raising the fans spirits is immaterial. What we need is someone to raise the players spirits - with a rocket up the arse - and also to address the weaknesses within the squad. So he might need to be able to give both the players and board a kick and Dean some sage advice. A Dyche clone would do nicely - he seems to command respect. Two years ago no one would have dreamed that he could galvanise a squad into the Premiership which leads me to think/hope there are some other good man managers out there with the ability to do the same thing - get one Dean! Billy Davies would do the rocket part - but doesn't command any respect - he has become a caricature.