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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:14:34 GMT 1
I'm neither for or against McLleish by the way. However think it's wrong to let public perception driven by media influence. spot on mate. Im beginning to think their pazazz in front of a microphone is the most important factor for some fans. Like they have to be cracking jokes, maybe bursting into a Sinatra classic and generally being witty, dominant, clever, hillarious, honest, entertaining. We shouldn't hold interviews, we should hold auditions! Not the point though is it captain ? The point is, you can generally tell someone's character by how they talk. Lee Clark - limited ability to express himself, thus boorish as indicated a number of times through interviews. How would that be perceived by his players ? Simon Grayson - limited vocabulary, thus slightly uncomfortable and unconfident. Mark Robbins - stubborn, matter of fact, thus slightly arrogant. Someone speaking to the media "pazazz" should have the same demeanor when being interviewed or I would hope so. If not you may just have employed the wrong man |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 18, 2014 17:18:08 GMT 1
Sorry, what do you mean by Kluivert/Lennon type character? Sorry not sure if you mean because have played in the top level? I mean someone with a character that the players will respect. No offence to old guys, but younger people sometimes have issues relating to them. I remember the cosmopolitan team of Chelsea before Mourinho. Manager after manager failed to bond them in to a great conquering team, not because they had no technical nouse- - far from it, they just could not command the respect of the players. Mourinho was stronger than that - and the rest is history. that is what we need. someone with character. |
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Aug 18, 2014 17:33:48 GMT 1
I think good managers do exist but they also need luck of being in the right environment at the right time. Billy Davies 5 years ago yes please, now I agree with goodshot that he's probably lost that edge. I think we need a manager who can manage tactically and is astute enough to buy well and not rush into some of the garbage that we've been overloaded with for last few seasons probably on the advice of agents and super Ross. Eddie Howe doesnt strike me as being a teacup thrower but i bet he has the respect of anyone who works for him and he's in his young too, respect comes from knowing what you are doing and leading.
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Post by doncasterterrier on Aug 18, 2014 17:42:41 GMT 1
Always remenber Mcleish as when manager of Rangers managed to finish 3rd in a 2 horse race, the debacle at Villa, I am reminded daily. Also please remember the blue noses were relegated twice & again i am reminded all his signings were on top wages & long contract, Villa & blue noses still suffering
big no from me along with the govn'r & davies who soon get dressing room wars
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 18, 2014 17:53:29 GMT 1
spot on mate. Im beginning to think their pazazz in front of a microphone is the most important factor for some fans. Like they have to be cracking jokes, maybe bursting into a Sinatra classic and generally being witty, dominant, clever, hillarious, honest, entertaining. We shouldn't hold interviews, we should hold auditions! Not the point though is it captain ? The point is, you can generally tell someone's character by how they talk. Lee Clark - limited ability to express himself, thus boorish as indicated a number of times through interviews. How would that be perceived by his players ? Simon Grayson - limited vocabulary, thus slightly uncomfortable and unconfident. Mark Robbins - stubborn, matter of fact, thus slightly arrogant. Someone speaking to the media "pazazz" should have the same demeanor when being interviewed or I would hope so. If not you may just have employed the wrong man Sorry but I think thats rubbish. These are football people. thats what they know and what they understand. They are not light entertainers trained in being 'sparkling' when Oggy sticks a mic in front of them. How they are in interviews is certainly not how they're necessarily in the changing room or the training pitch. Some will be uncomfortable in front of the media. ALL, I suspect, will be very cautious about every word they say- because they know there are plenty of doubters listening who are waiting to pounce on every word. IMo Robins and grayson both came over reasonably well in interviews. Wonder how Buxton would have come across? very dour and lacking passion would be my guess. Luckily for him people didn't judge their managers on their pazazz in interviews back then. |
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Post by htafc on Aug 18, 2014 18:34:59 GMT 1
Not fan of his
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 18, 2014 18:46:52 GMT 1
I have to ask myself, what would AM be hoping to achieve at his age. Been there done that - does he really care if he fails at Town. probably looking for a bit of beer money to tide him over. Same can be said for Warnock. the days of the old guard are over. Keen young managers with a point to prove and a career to forge are the way to go IMO. Howe at Bournemouth classic example. To a certain extent the bearded Elvis. He won't want to come here and have a failure on his CV.
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Post by deadleg on Aug 18, 2014 18:51:33 GMT 1
Really can't see this being much of a goer since he's very strongly associated with a particularly dire brand of football (or 'anti-football', to quote the accusation usually levelled at him).
I really hope we're not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater and abandon the desire to entertain.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 18, 2014 19:51:54 GMT 1
spot on mate. Im beginning to think their pazazz in front of a microphone is the most important factor for some fans. Like they have to be cracking jokes, maybe bursting into a Sinatra classic and generally being witty, dominant, clever, hillarious, honest, entertaining. We shouldn't hold interviews, we should hold auditions! Not the point though is it captain ? The point is, you can generally tell someone's character by how they talk. Lee Clark - limited ability to express himself, thus boorish as indicated a number of times through interviews. How would that be perceived by his players ? Simon Grayson - limited vocabulary, thus slightly uncomfortable and unconfident. Mark Robbins - stubborn, matter of fact, thus slightly arrogant. Someone speaking to the media "pazazz" should have the same demeanor when being interviewed or I would hope so. If not you may just have employed the wrong man I don't know about you, but when I'm in my comfort zone I'm far more articulate than when I'm on the back foot. It might just be that some managers are simply irritated by having to speak to the press (be it because of a previous bad experience, because speaking to the press takes focus away from the day job, or something else completely). Somebody uncomfortable in the media spotlight is not necessarily uncomfortable in the dressing room or on the training pitch. Their public persona is not necessarily the same as their private one. |
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Post by harris on Aug 19, 2014 14:31:55 GMT 1
Down to 8/15 FFS please no
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 19, 2014 14:34:10 GMT 1
Down to 8/15 FFS please no Just seen that myself. Please no. Would be a disaster. |
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Post by Stiggy on Aug 19, 2014 14:41:34 GMT 1
Please not him. (praying)
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Post by townatheart on Aug 19, 2014 14:43:07 GMT 1
Not the point though is it captain ? The point is, you can generally tell someone's character by how they talk. Lee Clark - limited ability to express himself, thus boorish as indicated a number of times through interviews. How would that be perceived by his players ? Simon Grayson - limited vocabulary, thus slightly uncomfortable and unconfident. Mark Robbins - stubborn, matter of fact, thus slightly arrogant. Someone speaking to the media "pazazz" should have the same demeanor when being interviewed or I would hope so. If not you may just have employed the wrong man I don't know about you, but when I'm in my comfort zone I'm far more articulate than when I'm on the back foot. It might just be that some managers are simply irritated by having to speak to the press (be it because of a previous bad experience, because speaking to the press takes focus away from the day job, or something else completely). Somebody uncomfortable in the media spotlight is not necessarily uncomfortable in the dressing room or on the training pitch. Their public persona is not necessarily the same as their private one. while that is a very valid point, likewise, for better or worse, the public personna as you say is part and parcel of the job, and can be part of the formula of success or failure at a club not nice, but fact of life |
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Post by townatheart on Aug 19, 2014 14:44:04 GMT 1
Down to 8/15 FFS please no maybe he placed a 100.00 bet on himself (he says hopefully) |
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Post by ritchie on Aug 19, 2014 14:44:19 GMT 1
He looks like a digestive biscuit,Probably the only plus point for me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:46:48 GMT 1
Would be an awful appointment
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 19, 2014 14:46:57 GMT 1
He ticks no boxes. Not successful, doesn't like playing football. Please not him.
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Post by H7 on Aug 19, 2014 14:48:06 GMT 1
oh god...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:52:23 GMT 1
He ticks no boxes. Not successful, doesn't like playing football. Please not him. Wait a second, let's not let sensationalist negativity cloud cold facts... He's won 2 SPL titles, came runners up with Hibs, and got Birmingham promoted to the PL. |
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 19, 2014 14:54:02 GMT 1
He ticks no boxes. Not successful, doesn't like playing football. Please not him. Wait a second, let's not let sensationalist negativity cloud cold facts... He's won 2 SPL titles, came runners up with Hibs, and got Birmingham promoted to the PL. ...and the Carling Cup with Birmingham! |
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 19, 2014 14:54:47 GMT 1
Would be an awful appointment Why? |
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 19, 2014 14:58:11 GMT 1
I'm afraid if people are saying "please God no" etc to Alex McLeish then these people need to have a reality check on which team they want to follow!
Can't believe some people would be disappointed with this appointment! Ticks so many boxes IMO
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Post by townatheart on Aug 19, 2014 14:59:55 GMT 1
He ticks no boxes. Not successful, doesn't like playing football. Please not him. Wait a second, let's not let sensationalist negativity cloud cold facts... He's won 2 SPL titles, came runners up with Hibs, and got Birmingham promoted to the PL. sorry, can not agree. do not see it as sesnational negativity at all. yes, going back nearly 7 years ago in scotland he had great success, and then yes did manage promotion with birmingham 3 - 4 years ago. since then track record not very inspiring at all imo. would not spit my dummy out, and would give him my support, but would be greatly disappointed if he was the best available out of all that applied and showed interest. |
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 19, 2014 14:59:51 GMT 1
He ticks no boxes. Not successful, doesn't like playing football. Please not him. Wait a second, let's not let sensationalist negativity cloud cold facts... He's won 2 SPL titles, came runners up with Hibs, and got Birmingham promoted to the PL. Okay, that's fair enough, but for every positive there's at least one negative. He admitted himself he would find it difficult to find another job in England or Scotland. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 19, 2014 15:01:05 GMT 1
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by Macduff on Aug 19, 2014 15:01:51 GMT 1
If we are going down the ginger route for the new manager I would prefer Lennon.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 19, 2014 15:02:06 GMT 1
I'm afraid if people are saying "please God no" etc to Alex McLeish then these people need to have a reality check on which team they want to follow! Can't believe some people would be disappointed with this appointment! Ticks so many boxes IMO what boxes are ticked that in particular strikes you as making him a good choice? and i am not suggesting not supporting him any less if he were appointed, but would not pretend i would be anything but disppointed myself |
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Post by Sio on Aug 19, 2014 15:03:58 GMT 1
I'm getting the impression nobody's going to be happy unless we appoint Hughton or Lennon? With their recent clubs, we have to accept that they're not going to be easy to attract
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Post by Torquayterrier on Aug 19, 2014 15:05:18 GMT 1
Won the carling cup with Brum but then was still in charge when they were relegated. Wasn't sacked, rather than take on the challenge of getting them promoted back to prem he opted out (by email) and nipped over to Villa instead, where he became (stats -wise) their worst ever manager. Failed at Forest (though I accpet the Forest chairman probably isn't the easiest to work with. So yes he's had success and failure, like most managers his age.
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Post by stevvy on Aug 19, 2014 15:13:05 GMT 1
Betting odds mean the square root of fuck all. Just because he's suddenly 8/15 doesn't mean he's any more likely to become our manager than he was 3 days ago.
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