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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 8:14:11 GMT 1
second half we didn't deserve to be on the same pitch as Brentford.. it was dismal...whoever does the team talk before we go out and then at half time needs to be fucked off and sharpish..
we start half asleep and come out after half time as though we have forgotten what it is we are supposed to do..
little fight and even less idea..
id swap our midfield for Pritchard in a heartbeat..all of them..
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Post by Tez on Mar 4, 2015 8:15:40 GMT 1
second half we didn't deserve to be on the same pitch as Brentford.. it was dismal...whoever does the team talk before we go out and then at half time needs to be fucked off and sharpish.. we start half asleep and come out after half time as though we have forgotten what it is we are supposed to do.. little fight and even less idea.. id swap our midfield for Pritchard in a heartbeat..all of them.. Isn't that Powell's job to motivate & inspire pre match/half time? Looks like his bags are getting packed then! |
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Post by townrwe on Mar 4, 2015 8:17:06 GMT 1
I hope he isn't allowed to bring in more dross players on long contracts in the summer..... if we sign Edgar I'm off to watch Emley
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Post by towny4ever on Mar 4, 2015 8:34:24 GMT 1
My lad 13 said he doesn't want a ST next season as he's bored....I remember been excited to watch Town at his age...rose tinted specs?? NO Powells turgid tactics and substitutions along with the dross he's brought in to date no better than what we had.
I've been watching since 79 but will wait to see who he brings in before renewing as I too am bored....and I'm sorry but finishing 1 place above last season does not count as progress for me Deano!
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Post by towny4ever on Mar 4, 2015 8:37:02 GMT 1
Ps....his press conferences bore me too ;-/
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 8:40:47 GMT 1
you could always watch the teams that are below us?? that will get trundled out by the just happy to be here posters.. none of whom will have been at the 'second half  ' last night.. they could always watch other teams on the days we are away.. its bullshit and they know it... we lost to a big wage side last night?? I don't fucking think so... we lost to a better team with a better manager..who I bet isn't on what powell is on.. |
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Post by jasonhand on Mar 4, 2015 11:30:53 GMT 1
Very rarely comment on a direct town thread but I'm going to do on this one
I used to be a st holder and I enjoyed going to the games with a couple of mates and a pre match pint. Town weren't great but it didn't really matter.
The reason why I stopped going to games was the constant moaning of the "fans" around me. I honestly couldn't stand it so I no longer go.
I'm sick of hearing about firing our manager, blaming smithies and asking questions on why we don't recruit better players.
People are obviously allowed an opinion at any point but dean Hoyle will walk away and then we will be truly in the shit and could go the way of a team like Stockport county or Grimsby town. Get a perspective moaners
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:00:47 GMT 1
Same here Jason...obviously don't get to as many matches as I'd like but the moaning at the matches I do get too has now become really annoying.. so often you get some idiot in a nearby seat whinging loudly about a player 20 minutes before the games even kicks off.... I used to piss them off by praising who ever it was they were picking on once the game started .."great pass xxx".."Lovely tackle..xx".. worked nearly every time because they were usually talking out their arse and knew one quarter of bugger all about soccer. Can't be bothered anymore so just move seats if they really get up my nose (some of them are nasty looking tw*ts so at my age it's now perhaps best to ignore, rather than bug them).
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 12:07:13 GMT 1
tbh I really am not sure why Hoyle allowed Powell to bring in Edgar and Miller without some serious questioning, especially when he expects us to play a certain style, and neither of those players play in that style. Powell so far has a lot of weaknesses but he also has his strengths. The problem for me is that he doesnt seem to be learning from anything, such as substitutions, when you are getting dicked away from home, with about 20 odd per cent possession, it clearly needs some fresh ideas and some fresh legs. The Lolley situation is infuriating too, either he is good enough and should be given a run of games, or he isnt good enough and we should try and cash in. Why cant Majewski be given a chance when he is such a creative player and has been playing in a top side for the last few seasons. Why cant Gerrard be given the same motivational talk as Scannell was? when we are "being dicked" and not able to keep possession, the LAST person to bring on would be Lolley! Unable to hold the ball. On second thoughts, the last should actually be Holmes, but as he is never anywhere near..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:17:31 GMT 1
you could always watch the teams that are below us?? that will get trundled out by the just happy to be here posters.. none of whom will have been at the 'second half ' last night.. they could always watch other teams on the days we are away.. its bullshit and they know it... we lost to a big wage side last night?? I don't fucking think so... we lost to a better team with a better manager..who I bet isn't on what powell is on.. Can't disagree we lost to a better team, how sure are you regarding Brentfords wage bill? Didn't their chairman pump £43 million in? |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 12:24:39 GMT 1
tbh I really am not sure why Hoyle allowed Powell to bring in Edgar and Miller without some serious questioning, especially when he expects us to play a certain style, and neither of those players play in that style. Powell so far has a lot of weaknesses but he also has his strengths. The problem for me is that he doesnt seem to be learning from anything, such as substitutions, when you are getting dicked away from home, with about 20 odd per cent possession, it clearly needs some fresh ideas and some fresh legs. The Lolley situation is infuriating too, either he is good enough and should be given a run of games, or he isnt good enough and we should try and cash in. Why cant Majewski be given a chance when he is such a creative player and has been playing in a top side for the last few seasons. Why cant Gerrard be given the same motivational talk as Scannell was? when we are "being dicked" and not able to keep possession, the LAST person to bring on would be Lolley! Unable to hold the ball. On second thoughts, the last should actually be Holmes, but as he is never anywhere near..... Not sure why you're having a go at two players who are not responsible for the dross that's being served up at the moment. Surely some of the clowns who are playing week in week out should be the ones getting it in the neck. |
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Post by ruud1boy on Mar 4, 2015 12:31:40 GMT 1
And there's me thinking we were mid-table in the Championship......
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 12:47:36 GMT 1
[/quote]Not sure why you're having a go at two players who are not responsible for the dross that's being served up at the moment. Surely some of the clowns who are playing week in week out should be the ones getting it in the neck.
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Not having a go at anyone, stating facts. The last people to bring on in those conditions are the two I've mentioned. The reason why they are "not responsible" is that they are not playing, the reason they are not playing is that they are not (yet) considered good enough. Pretty simple, really?
More than a little p*ssed off with losing badly in two successive games, but even more p8ssed off at the drivel spouted on here every time we lose a game. We are doing just fine people, Powell is OK as manager and DH is running a good club. Just remember that!!
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Post by jasonhand on Mar 4, 2015 12:54:15 GMT 1
Absolutely slyman totally agree. Clearly people who go and spend their money will say they are entitled to show their discontent at matches but no good comes from this. It does drive away fans and it will drive away Hoyle. I'm not suggesting we should all be chanting his name at matches but as has been mentioned when we win the town forum is quiet but when we lose it seems everyone is starting a thread about how rubbish we are.
As a club we've been from some dark days and we are pretty fortunate to be were we are now. I remember watching us play teams like Stockport county and Grimsby town in recent years and losing to them. We could so easily be in the same predicament as both these clubs.
So moaners continue to moan, continue to berate whichever manager we have in place, continue to berate the club owner until you get what want. Then if things to do go pear shape you'll stop going and then I'll sTart going again watching rubbish football but enjoying it and having a laugh with my mates
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Post by Melc on Mar 4, 2015 12:56:08 GMT 1
Well if take notice of some on here you would think we have made massive strides from last season with all this mid table talk, but in reality the stats from this time last season show we are worse off. We are a place lower in the league table after 35 games, conceded 60 goals, compared to 45 this time last year, that is not a great achievement from Powell in my book!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 13:15:43 GMT 1
Not sure why you're having a go at two players who are not responsible for the dross that's being served up at the moment. Surely some of the clowns who are playing week in week out should be the ones getting it in the neck. [/quote] Not having a go at anyone, stating facts. The last people to bring on in those conditions are the two I've mentioned. The reason why they are "not responsible" is that they are not playing, the reason they are not playing is that they are not (yet) considered good enough. Pretty simple, really? More than a little p*ssed off with losing badly in two successive games, but even more p8ssed off at the drivel spouted on here every time we lose a game. We are doing just fine people, Powell is OK as manager and DH is running a good club. Just remember that!![/quote] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We'll no doubt have this debate on Saturday but the fact that Powell does not consider Lolley & Holmes or any of the other young lads as good enough does not mean he's right. If he got it right most of the time, most of us on here would be getting on with some work instead of arguing the toss over it. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 13:34:14 GMT 1
Absolutely slyman totally agree. Clearly people who go and spend their money will say they are entitled to show their discontent at matches but no good comes from this. It does drive away fans and it will drive away Hoyle. I'm not suggesting we should all be chanting his name at matches but as has been mentioned when we win the town forum is quiet but when we lose it seems everyone is starting a thread about how rubbish we are. As a club we've been from some dark days and we are pretty fortunate to be were we are now. I remember watching us play teams like Stockport county and Grimsby town in recent years and losing to them. We could so easily be in the same predicament as both these clubs. So moaners continue to moan, continue to berate whichever manager we have in place, continue to berate the club owner until you get what want. Then if things to do go pear shape you'll stop going and then I'll sTart going again watching rubbish football but enjoying it and having a laugh with my mates Hoyle should not be pissed off with the fans. He should be pissed off with Powell & the players who are not achieving what he set out to achieve at the beginning of the season. In any walk of life, if the paying customer aint happy, then he has a right to complain. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:36:12 GMT 1
has he gone yet?
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Post by terrier1987cas on Mar 4, 2015 13:56:26 GMT 1
My two penneth...
I said immediately after we sacked Robins that Lillis was the right man at the right time to replace him. Our squad suits a high-tempo pressing game and our budget suits bringing in young lads we develop in the academy - I thought Lillis ticked both boxes and was unanimously supported by fans, it was an easy way to get fans back on board whilst improving performances on the pitch, in the short-term at least.
We instead appointed Powell. I had no problem with it to begin with, based on the fact that most Charlton fans rated him very highly, despite a minority disliking the way he set them up to play - it turns out I'm in the minority. I enjoyed the performances we'd put in under Lillis for the most part - we had a go at Cardiff but were outclassed, we were superb down at Reading, and unlucky against Charlton and Watford, whilst showing plenty of heart in the cup against Chesterfield. We played with tempo, harassed teams high up the pitch, utilised Bunn and Scannell to the best of their abilities and played through Coady and Butterfield - in my opinion that's the way we should play. Powell came in and changed things almost immediately, god knows why as things weren't too bad at all during Lillis's short spell, if anything we improved ten-fold from the horror show against Bournemouth. The performances against Boro and Wigan were turgid and we then got embarrassed at Leeds, good performances followed as we seemed to revert to the way Lillis had us playing (Wolves, Blackpool, Ipswich, Derby and Fulham in particular), but since then things have been horrendous to watch (Brentford and Watford being exceptions).
This is where it comes down to what you're happy to watch. If you don't mind the negative football and scraping the odd win, fair enough. On paper we have had a pretty successful season - we're almost safe with under a quarter of the season left and have cleared out plenty of deadwood (although I'd argue that should have allowed some young lads to be given a chance but it hasn't, we've signed Edgar and Miller who are both awful and stick with the same core eleven pretty much every week with nobody else given a chance) - on paper though I can see why it's a good season and if entertainment isn't your priority then you're entitled to say it's been a good season and Powell is doing okay. I however want to see us at least TRY and play with some style, it is after all what we've been promised for the past however many years, but it appears that similar to the pathways nonsense it was all just something that sounded good to say but we never had any intention of actually following through with. I want to see us play with tempo, I want to see us express ourselves using the talented footballers we have on our books, and I want us to give our young players a chance. We did all three in Lillis' short spell in charge but Powell's barely been here 6 months and we now do none.
Not necessarily Powell out, but I'm out until something changes.
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 4, 2015 14:08:09 GMT 1
Not to worry, we will beat Rotheram on Saturday and everyone will be happy again.
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Post by bigandycafc on Mar 4, 2015 17:06:50 GMT 1
Hi all - Charlton fan here - somebody posted this thread on our forum so I thought I'd have a look. What you have with Powell is a manager who sets up not to lose - this is dangerous if you don't score first. Eventually, he runs out of ideas and it shows very quickly. I think he's still learning his trade - him being very stubborn and unwilling to change is his major fault. Good luck for the rest of the season...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 17:10:45 GMT 1
Hi all - Charlton fan here - somebody posted this thread on our forum so I thought I'd have a look. What you have with Powell is a manager who sets up not to lose - this is dangerous if you don't score first. Eventually, he runs out of ideas and it shows very quickly. I think he's still learning his trade - him being very stubborn and unwilling to change is his major fault. Good luck for the rest of the season... Robins did the same thing and look how that worked out. suicide I fear the worst. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 17:34:54 GMT 1
dean hoyle has 'pumped in' over 30 million and continues to 'pump in'?? whats your point Coddington?? do you seriously believe that man for man plus managers that Brentford earn more money than town??? why would their owner pay the same wages to a first year championship player that we are paying to pros who have been in this division for 2/3 years or longer or have premier league experience?  how much that he 'pumped in' went to buy the club and to pay the debts??? ffs even the team that deal with salaries at man city spent over 2 weeks sorting out just the minute details of toure's contract so they could save 15k a week, its well documented.. they pay whatever, because they can??? don't think so... |
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Post by 1timeposter on Mar 4, 2015 17:41:13 GMT 1
Very rarely comment on a direct town thread but I'm going to do on this one I used to be a st holder and I enjoyed going to the games with a couple of mates and a pre match pint. Town weren't great but it didn't really matter. The reason why I stopped going to games was the constant moaning of the "fans" around me. I honestly couldn't stand it so I no longer go. I'm sick of hearing about firing our manager, blaming smithies and asking questions on why we don't recruit better players. People are obviously allowed an opinion at any point but dean Hoyle will walk away and then we will be truly in the shit and could go the way of a team like Stockport county or Grimsby town. Get a perspective moaners
Im pretty sure HTFC existed before Dean Hoyle. And it will exist long after he has sold up and moved to a tax haven. What if he sells to somebody with more money than him, and someone who can take us forward? It isn't moaning, it's being bloody fed up. It's seeing clubs like Brentford having a go. Have a go and who knows what will happen but we'll never find out under the current philosophy at the Club.
Just a bit of realism
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 17:43:29 GMT 1
dean hoyle has 'pumped in' over 30 million and continues to 'pump in'?? whats your point Coddington?? do you seriously believe that man for man plus managers that Brentford earn more money than town??? why would their owner pay the same wages to a first year championship player that we are paying to pros who have been in this division for 2/3 years or longer or have premier league experience? how much that he 'pumped in' went to buy the club and to pay the debts??? ffs even the team that deal with salaries at man city spent over 2 weeks sorting out just the minute details of toure's contract so they could save 15k a week, its well documented.. they pay whatever, because they can??? don't think so... It was a simple question, how sure are you that Brentford's wage bill is lower than ours, and how are you so sure that Warburton is on a lower salary than Powell? Or is that just further supposition on your part? Perhaps you could produce figures to back this up, I can't maybe you can? |
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Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 4, 2015 17:58:04 GMT 1
The best comment I ever heard was from a "fan" who regularly sat near me in the kilner bank stand. He yelled at Marcus Stewart and called him a donkey. I bit immediately and pointed out that this particular donkey was our most talented footballer since Frank Worthington. You know what he came back with?...... (wait for it).....
"Worthington was over rated too"
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 18:01:25 GMT 1
managers who have managed in higher divisions will get more money.. players who have played in a higher division will get more money..
football isn't real life and value for money isn't an issue that seems to be high on our agenda or many other teams but common sense tells you that Hudson will be on twice at least the amount that a kid from Oldham in their defence is on..
Harley dean hasn't played in this division before and must be on first year championship money along with most of the rest of the team??
we upped smithies wages to some tune the other week..Vaughan will be on more than anyone who has ever put a Brentford shirt on..
I don't think I need stats to show that most football club owners wont just pay more because they just can??? there is a structure of pay in the lower divisions, even if its not rigid..
or crack on with the idea that owners just pay what they like to who they like just because they have cash on their hip...no contract negotiations, no financial advisors or experts in wages in the sport required..
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 4, 2015 18:06:41 GMT 1
There was a girl in front of me at the game yesterday shouting and balling about how we're 'not f*cking safe' and that really made me angry. Ive had a lot of sympathy this season for Blackpool fans, must be awful to follow them at the moment. We've not gone out there and consistently had bad results after bad results like Wigan, Millwall and Blackpool. We've had some great results. Nottingham Forrest at ours, Ipswich away, Millwall away - all great games to name three. The way I see it there's 24 places in our league. Only one will win. Another two go up and three go down. Realistically we going to gain promotion based on where we are shopping for players and what we spend? As long as we aren't in the bottom three to me where we finish this season now is enough for me to renew my ticket. Even if we went down i still would. Because I am a huddersfield town fan and love football. If I didn't renew I would miss it. I couldn't support anyone else. In terms of Powell out - who would everyone want in in his place? Careful what you wish for. Id like to see what he does over the summer and the start to the new season now before thinking down those lines.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 4, 2015 18:09:49 GMT 1
There was a girl in front of me at the game yesterday shouting and balling about how we're 'not f*cking safe' and that really made me angry. Ive had a lot of sympathy this season for Blackpool fans, must be awful to follow them at the moment. We've not gone out there and consistently had bad results after bad results like Wigan, Millwall and Blackpool. We've had some great results. Nottingham Forrest at ours, Ipswich away, Millwall away - all great games to name three. The way I see it there's 24 places in our league. Only one will win. Another two go up and three go down. Realistically we going to gain promotion based on where we are shopping for players and what we spend? As long as we aren't in the bottom three to me where we finish this season now is enough for me to renew my ticket. Even if we went down i still would. Because I am a huddersfield town fan and love football. If I didn't renew I would miss it. I couldn't support anyone else. In terms of Powell out - who would everyone want in in his place? Careful what you wish for. Id like to see what he does over the summer and the start to the new season now before thinking down those lines.  Watford was good too. |
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Post by 1timeposter on Mar 4, 2015 18:23:53 GMT 1
There was a girl in front of me at the game yesterday shouting and balling about how we're 'not f*cking safe' and that really made me angry. Ive had a lot of sympathy this season for Blackpool fans, must be awful to follow them at the moment. We've not gone out there and consistently had bad results after bad results like Wigan, Millwall and Blackpool. We've had some great results. Nottingham Forrest at ours, Ipswich away, Millwall away - all great games to name three. The way I see it there's 24 places in our league. Only one will win. Another two go up and three go down. Realistically we going to gain promotion based on where we are shopping for players and what we spend? As long as we aren't in the bottom three to me where we finish this season now is enough for me to renew my ticket. Even if we went down i still would. Because I am a huddersfield town fan and love football. If I didn't renew I would miss it. I couldn't support anyone else. In terms of Powell out - who would everyone want in in his place? Careful what you wish for. Id like to see what he does over the summer and the start to the new season now before thinking down those lines. Watford was good too.
4th bottom every season, then! Aim high.
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