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Post by kosi on Dec 16, 2015 15:49:42 GMT 1
Another poor gate IMO. Saw on another thread someone questioning whether the people of Huddersfield and surrounding areas want a championship club. Interesting point. No doubt the opposition, the weather Saturday, no sky in the ground, Christmas, lack of concrete at canalside etc etc will be factored in to why numbers were low again, but having a new manager in, the great football v Boro then euphoria of the brum win and for them numbers and all the whining of prices too high, the board must be bitterly disappointed. Is the interest still there anymore? We seem to have lost a few thousand. Concerning  |
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 16, 2015 15:53:29 GMT 1
Real real shame! I had big hopes for Saturday's turnout but did think the weather may put off a few. But the crowds are dire
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 15:57:00 GMT 1
Does anyone know the demographic of our support? Is the drop in crowds simply down to a certain section of our support not being arsed anymore?
Worrying? We're in the championship and were getting much higher gates in league one. Are some supporters just fickle?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 16, 2015 15:58:02 GMT 1
I don't think people will turn up until we're challenging at the top of the league, IMO.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2015 15:58:21 GMT 1
We brought a Mate last night who had stopped going under the last Managers tenure. With me and my Mate now going again and a third who will hopefully return again that's three more!. We need more fans just to bring one or two along that don't usually go, that really will help.
The trouble is that many fans find something else to fill the void that was watching Town.
There is no quick fix, the singing section will definitely help as will performances on the pitch.
I am not actually sure what we can hope to achieve attendance wise but I am sure it will pick up, slowly.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:02:01 GMT 1
It's quick and easy to lose fans, but long and difficult to win them back.
That said, we're going about it the right way, just don't expect any miracles overnight. Slow and steady and build the momentum.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 16, 2015 16:02:06 GMT 1
To be fair I thought it was decent for such a foul night, compared to our usual home night gates. Rotherham did bring more than I expected though. You got to remember people have to battle through traffic to get home and then come out again, the traffic must put people off, everywhere I go no matter what time of day traffic is always bloody terrible, I'm sick of sitting in queuing traffic.
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Post by kosi on Dec 16, 2015 16:04:03 GMT 1
The trouble is that many fans find something else to fill the void that was watching Town. .... Interesting point I was having a debate with a few Leeds mates over the same issue a bit back. Some the usual "we're Leeds United once we back in the prem we'll get 35k every week" and others saying what you did. No we won't as "the folk who used to come in 2002 etc have now found something else to do" and making up the numbers in the prem not challenging like before they'd have no interest |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 16, 2015 16:04:40 GMT 1
If season tickets are cheap/affordable next season and we stay up, I think people will come back. Under Wagner, there's some renewed interest, but just before Christmas when money's tight, it's dark and cold, if people have other commitments it's not easy. If the club offers £200 season tickets and the crowds are still poor, then is the time to worry. A decent second half of the season, bringing in a bit of quality, combined with it being affordable to the working man and it'll work wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:06:58 GMT 1
Another poor gate IMO. Saw on another thread someone questioning whether the people of Huddersfield and surrounding areas want a championship club. Interesting point. No doubt the opposition, the weather Saturday, no sky in the ground, Christmas, lack of concrete at canalside etc etc will be factored in to why numbers were low again, but having a new manager in, the great football v Boro then euphoria of the brum win and for them numbers and all the whining of prices too high, the board must be bitterly disappointed. Is the interest still there anymore? We seem to have lost a few thousand. Concerning Lost a couple last night .Luther was on TV  and only two episodes this time round so sorry Ibris Elba or getting wet through at footie was a " no brainer " for me  |
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Post by DannyG on Dec 16, 2015 16:08:08 GMT 1
You can talk about the euphoria of the new regime all you want, but to the outsider we'd still lost 3 out of 4 games under the new management before last night. We sometimes talk on here as if all fans, even those who turn up now and again, should think like we (the 'hardcore') do. They don't. Thinking that people should be flooding back because of a change of manager (who, as I say, had brought about 1 win from 4 before Tues) is madness, IMO. We've probably tempted back a few of those who were on the fringes or who'd stopped going because they were bored with Powell's football, but to get significant numbers back is going to take more than a few encouraging performances, IMO. It's going to need good results and performances consistently over a longer period of time. Acting like floating supporters somehow 'owe' the club to come watch them is not the right attitude. If I go visit my grandad tonight, who follows Town mainly via the results in the paper and the league table, he'll comment on how badly Town are struggling this season and that we may be going down. Cos that's how it looks to 'the people of Huddersfield' - those who don't read DATM, read the reports, listen to Radio Leeds etc. To him, we've been down at the foot of the table (again), sacked our manager, and lost 4 of the 6 games since. If I said 'Gegenpressing' to him he wouldn't have a clue what I was on about! But then, he is Polish |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 16:08:18 GMT 1
To be fair I thought it was decent for such a foul night, compared to our usual home night gates. Rotherham did bring more than I expected though. You got to remember people have to battle through traffic to get home and then come out again, the traffic must put people off, everywhere I go no matter what time of day traffic is always bloody terrible, I'm sick of sitting in queuing traffic. Couldn't agree more about traffic, especially during the day. There are far too many learner drivers and old people about during the day. I think it's time the government organised a cull of everyone over the age of 85. If they did it every 50 years that would be fine coz I'll be 104 by the time the next one comes around and most likely dead anyway. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2015 16:14:36 GMT 1
The trouble is that many fans find something else to fill the void that was watching Town. .... Interesting point I was having a debate with a few Leeds mates over the same issue a bit back. Some the usual "we're Leeds United once we back in the prem we'll get 35k every week" and others saying what you did. No we won't as "the folk who used to come in 2002 etc have now found something else to do" and making up the numbers in the prem not challenging like before they'd have no interest Kosi, the final straw for me was Birmingham at home about exactly one year ago. I walked out that day and vowed never to set foot in the place again. The early part matches I missed, if I am being honest I was cutting my nose off to spite my face as I wanted to go really. I had to try hard not to!. You know what though, it wears off and you actually get to a point where you don't even want to go. You find other things to do that are far more enjoyable (or were to me at the time). There was days when I first knew how Town had gone on by reading the Sunday morning paper. It really ain't easy to get fans back who stop going. Easy to lose fans, not so easy to win new ones or get old ones back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:16:34 GMT 1
I think it's important that the club publicly say they got it wrong this season and apologise. Folk don't like treating like mugs. The club wheel out a 3 page article on why the prices were as they are, publicly justifying them. When they decide a change of policy is in order, they mention it to a select few at an ATT meeting. Maybe if Clibbens came out and said you know what we fucked up and to say sorry Bristol and Rotherham are a tenner, and we have taken steps to do things better next season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:16:38 GMT 1
How many of the lapsed/floaters would have even known it was £10 ??
I went on Saturday and I don't remember me or any of the others who took advantage being told that a similar deal was in place last night.
As it happens, I knew; but I'm on DATM regular. (And i can't do Tuesday games as I have something far more compelling to spend my time doing).
Plus I got piss wet through on Saturday, the atmosphere was utterly rubbish (I went in the Kilner Bank against my better judgement), and the football looked like two not very good teams.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 16, 2015 16:17:48 GMT 1
I think it's hard to get some folk to realise we're not actually that shite anymore - I'm close to getting my uncle and his mates down who have been avid supporters home and away until a few years ago...reason they stopped 'I'm not forking out to watch that shite anymore.'
Trying my best to make them realise things are on the up and we now don't have a boring, negative manager. They will come back...it will just take a few more wins and us challenging higher in the league to get them interested (more supporters, more money, more investment I know I know....) but we all know Town fans are stubbourn buggers!
What doesn't help is that everytime confidence is high and were getting more interest from the stayaways we put in a poor performance (Saturday), which puts us back to square 1. I was forever biggin' us up Friday night in the pub trying to get them down - a couple did say if we beat Bristol they will come Tuesday and what happens.....
I will get there though!! I think if the £200 season tickets next season are true it could be the gamechanger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:21:45 GMT 1
To be fair I thought it was decent for such a foul night, compared to our usual home night gates. Rotherham did bring more than I expected though. You got to remember people have to battle through traffic to get home and then come out again, the traffic must put people off, everywhere I go no matter what time of day traffic is always bloody terrible, I'm sick of sitting in queuing traffic. Agreed, 1 hour 20 mins last night from Pudsey, normally 40 mins max. Having already driven 250 miles yesterday I probably wouldn't have gone even at £10 but as a SC holder it just swayed it, glad I made the effort but the less mid week games the better for me. |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 16:24:27 GMT 1
I think it's hard to get some folk to realise we're not actually that shite anymore - I'm close to getting my uncle and his mates down who have been avid supporters home and away until a few years ago...reason they stopped 'I'm not forking out to watch that shite anymore.' Trying my best to make them realise things are on the up and we now don't have a boring, negative manager. They will come back...it will just take a few more wins and us challenging higher in the league to get them interested (more supporters, more money, more investment I know I know....) but we all know Town fans are stubbourn buggers! What doesn't help is that everytime confidence is high and were getting more interest from the stayaways we put in a poor performance (Saturday), which puts us back to square 1. I was forever biggin' us up Friday night in the pub trying to get them down - a couple did say if we beat Bristol they will come Tuesday and what happens..... I will get there though!! I think if the £200 season tickets next season are true it could be the gamechanger. My nephew stopped coming a couple of seasons ago but took advantage of the 2 games for a tenner and told me last night he will very likely take up the £200 season ticket offer if it comes to fruition. Like you say it will take a little bit longer than a couple of cheap offers and a new regime that so far only has a 40% win rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:24:39 GMT 1
I remember the £10 comments after the MK Dons game. We may have won but boy it was shite.
It's taken 4 years to lose those few thousand fans, it'll take the same amount of time to win them back again.
Promo offers against smaller sides in horrible weather on Tuesday nights might drag 500 or so more in but it won't redo the clubs failings of the past few years.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 16, 2015 16:29:23 GMT 1
Saturday's attendance I'd say was very clearly affected by the weather. There'll no doubt be some SC holders who've already paid to get in but will see the weather we had on Saturday and think "nah, I really don't fancy getting soaked to the skin thanks", and that'd likely apply even more so to those who were going to POTD (in a way the attendance on Saturday was made worse by the fact it was a schools game as well as £10 in, yet the attendance wasn't exactly massive).
Cheap SC's may help next year, but for this season it's probably just a case of hoping performances, results and league placing all pick up significantly, along with a few good offers that might entice a few people back. As workshyfop said, if we do have £200 tickets and we're still struggling to sell SC's and the crowds are poor, then we worry (though of course it's also worth remembering that the crowd is usually less than announced due to us doing the 'tickets issued' figure rather than actual figure)
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Post by wtd on Dec 16, 2015 16:31:00 GMT 1
Another poor gate IMO. Saw on another thread someone questioning whether the people of Huddersfield and surrounding areas want a championship club. Interesting point. No doubt the opposition, the weather Saturday, no sky in the ground, Christmas, lack of concrete at canalside etc etc will be factored in to why numbers were low again, but having a new manager in, the great football v Boro then euphoria of the brum win and for them numbers and all the whining of prices too high, the board must be bitterly disappointed. Is the interest still there anymore? We seem to have lost a few thousand. Concerning Lost a couple last night .Luther was on TV and only two episodes this time round so sorry Ibris Elba or getting wet through at footie was a " no brainer " for me It's 2015, Sandy... record it for later! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:32:24 GMT 1
Interesting point I was having a debate with a few Leeds mates over the same issue a bit back. Some the usual "we're Leeds United once we back in the prem we'll get 35k every week" and others saying what you did. No we won't as "the folk who used to come in 2002 etc have now found something else to do" and making up the numbers in the prem not challenging like before they'd have no interest Kosi, the final straw for me was Birmingham at home about exactly one year ago. I walked out that day and vowed never to set foot in the place again.
The early part matches I missed, if I am being honest I was cutting my nose off to spite my face as I wanted to go really. I had to try hard not to!. You know what though, it wears off and you actually get to a point where you don't even want to go. You find other things to do that are far more enjoyable (or were to me at the time). There was days when I first knew how Town had gone on by reading the Sunday morning paper. It really ain't easy to get fans back who stop going. Easy to lose fans, not so easy to win new ones or get old ones back. How long before you pull the same trick with the new guy? I remember that game, you're right it was a shocker, but it actually came off the back of a pretty good run of results, at least at home. We hadn't lost in six and the run had featured some really good wins against good opposition like Forest and Brentford, plus putting Blackpool to the sword (I know they were garbage, however the first 20 minutes off that game was thrilling). We'll have bad games under Wagner, no doubt about it. If people take the same attitude and just stop going, then we're back where we started. I know it has probably been the case for generations. I just find it odd. |
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Post by stevvy on Dec 16, 2015 16:37:21 GMT 1
How many of the lapsed/floaters would have even known it was £10 ?? I went on Saturday and I don't remember me or any of the others who took advantage being told that a similar deal was in place last night. That's a really good point. Did we advertise on anything other than facebook, twitter and the official site? If not, why not? What about posters in town? Or calling/emailing people on the database who they see haven't got a season card this year? Any real sort of marketing? Surely given the time of year they could've come up with something along the lines of "Wagner's Winter Wonderland - 2 Championship games for £20" |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2015 16:39:34 GMT 1
Kosi, the final straw for me was Birmingham at home about exactly one year ago. I walked out that day and vowed never to set foot in the place again.
The early part matches I missed, if I am being honest I was cutting my nose off to spite my face as I wanted to go really. I had to try hard not to!. You know what though, it wears off and you actually get to a point where you don't even want to go. You find other things to do that are far more enjoyable (or were to me at the time). There was days when I first knew how Town had gone on by reading the Sunday morning paper. It really ain't easy to get fans back who stop going. Easy to lose fans, not so easy to win new ones or get old ones back. How long before you pull the same trick with the new guy? I remember that game, you're right it was a shocker, but it actually came off the back of a pretty good run of results, at least at home. We hadn't lost in six and the run had featured some really good wins against good opposition like Forest and Brentford, plus putting Blackpool to the sword (I know they were garbage, however the first 20 minutes off that game was thrilling). We'll have bad games under Wagner, no doubt about it. If people take the same attitude and just stop going, then we're back where we started. I know it has probably been the case for generations. I just find it odd. Walter, we were poor on Saturday and I travelled across for the game last night. What does that tell you, eh?. I can see what Wagner is trying to do and I appreciate it. Try to provoke me all you want, I speak as I find and I am happy with the new Manager, extremely happy and have no intention of as you put it 'pulling any tricks on the new Guy'. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Dec 16, 2015 16:44:21 GMT 1
The only way to get the fans back is for the club to be challenging up the right end of the championship £10 or not a lot of floating fans aren't bothered about watching a poor championship side especially at the normal match day prices. If the rumours are correct re cheap season tickets then that will encourage more to come down but the club then have to put a side out on the pitch that will keep them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:44:50 GMT 1
I remember the £10 comments after the MK Dons game. We may have won but boy it was shite. It's taken 4 years to lose those few thousand fans, it'll take the same amount of time to win them back again. Promo offers against smaller sides in horrible weather on Tuesday nights might drag 500 or so more in but it won't redo the clubs failings of the past few years. The only other time we've played Bristol City in the Championship since we got promoted the attendance was 12,500. It was in November and despite a couple of away drubbings to poor teams in the last two games, we'd been very good up to that point (the previous home game was the 2-1 win over Wolves). I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 16:49:56 GMT 1
How long before you pull the same trick with the new guy? I remember that game, you're right it was a shocker, but it actually came off the back of a pretty good run of results, at least at home. We hadn't lost in six and the run had featured some really good wins against good opposition like Forest and Brentford, plus putting Blackpool to the sword (I know they were garbage, however the first 20 minutes off that game was thrilling). We'll have bad games under Wagner, no doubt about it. If people take the same attitude and just stop going, then we're back where we started. I know it has probably been the case for generations. I just find it odd. Walter, we were poor on Saturday and I travelled across for the game last night. What does that tell you, eh?. I can see what Wagner is trying to do and I appreciate it. Try to provoke me all you want, I speak as I find and I am happy with the new Manager, extremely happy and have no intention of as you put it 'pulling any tricks on the new Guy'.Good to hear, but forgive me for being sceptical. I was amused to see you put someone in their place (quite rightly) who was slagging off Wagner so early in his time on here the other day. Obviously not just Americans who don't get irony... |
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Post by DannyG on Dec 16, 2015 16:55:32 GMT 1
The only other time we've played Bristol City in the Championship since we got promoted the attendance was 12,500. It was in November and despite a couple of away drubbings to poor teams in the last two games, we'd been very good up to that point (the previous home game was the 2-1 win over Wolves). I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. Just checked Burnley's attendance that season against Bristol City - 11,500. What did they deserve? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2015 16:57:23 GMT 1
honestly..
we won last night..we were not great, it wasnt a performance full of flair and graft..
it will do for me, I watch every game and will take a win however its achieved..
i also understand a bit of where the new bloke would like to go in playing style and am ok waiting for it.. we got the straightforward better last night than saturday and it was enough..
it wont attract newcomers or returnees as yet..few more wins and a january that brings a bit of promise and it might..
you cant just make a song and a dance about a new 'way' and throw in a few interviews and paper talk and expect a massive upsurge in interest ...
for the regulars who now dont attend this could still be the latest in a line of false dawns..
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Post by thecheshireterrier on Dec 16, 2015 17:02:55 GMT 1
The weather was probably a big factor on Saturday and then the fact that we lost on Saturday probably affected last nights attendance, I think fans want to see something positive from the board in the way of signings, I'm a realist and I realise that we have to sell 1 player a season to balance the books but Smithies, Coady & Butterfield all left for £8m to £9m with just a couple of £150k to 250k signings (Hiwula & Dempsey) plus a bunch of frees or loans coming in, some good like Whitehead & Crainie, some not so good but just about every town fan around has been saying we need a striker (or two) but the board still seem to be unwilling to splash out, maybe they didn't trust CP so hopefully we will see some commitment in January, I think we have some decent young players but we are still lacking up front, Bojaj isn't quite the real deal yet and Rekeil Pyke might be a future 1st teamer but I think if the fans see a quality striker or two signed they will be back in good numbers to watch the team.
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