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Post by hudmat on Dec 16, 2015 20:11:58 GMT 1
Headlines are usually of town selling a star man, never of us signing one. The message is clear from the club, we can't compete with other clubs in this league. We never have a good cup run or draw a decent team from the premiership to create a buzz around the place. The product we have on offer is championship survival football. I understand why the above are happening, but it does not excite the people of Huddersfield. It doesn't matter if you tell them we are trying to be self sustaining, living within our means etc, most fans don't care about the finances of the club one bit they just want to see a winning football team whether we like it or not. So Hudmat, tell me how much of your hard earned have you offered to give Dean Hoyle towards buying more Players? (as trying to live within means in your view is not the way forward). I was merely pointing out what I think most peoples perception of the club is. I never said anything about my own view on these things so just climb yourself down from that big old high horse. When you find a floating fan that tells you they really want to go and watch good business and good finances let me know. Just because you don't like these views or think people act like spoilt brats it doesn't change the fact that its true. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 20:28:14 GMT 1
It would be interesting to see the age categories of the fans coming through the turnstiles.
I often wonder if the older fans who have passed away have being replaced by the " youth " of today.
I recently heard that the club did a survey of which I have still to obtain a copy.
Dean Hoyle is doing his best to try to attract extra fans ,but doubt the gate against Rotherham would have reached 14,000 had admission been " free ".
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Post by niggled on Dec 16, 2015 20:38:12 GMT 1
there were five of us on Saturday, I convinced two lads that we had turned a corner and were much different now.
the tenner in was the clincher.
there were three of us last night, they have seen for themselves and now think I am talking shite, I don't think the 2 missing would of come last night if it was free. it wasn't just the weather or that we lost they said, we looked toothless and they were totally unimpressed
really don't know what I can tell them to make a return, my hope is a big fourth round cup tie.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 16, 2015 20:42:36 GMT 1
DATM told him " drop your prices and we will come "
DATM told him " play a more entertaining brand and we will come"
Ted said " it's all about winning and people go and watch a winning team. Now we have established ourselves as a bottom half team people struggle to be enthused ( even if we are positionally better than we've been for years) .. Only way to significantly increase gates is to invest big time in the squad in the hope of launching a bid for the premier league, or get relegated and hope we are top end of league one ( no guarantees)
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 16, 2015 20:45:45 GMT 1
I think the best thing the club can do is invest their attention into getting young fans going regularly to the games. When it's in your blood it's in your blood, nothing you can do about it.
I bet the majority of fans on this board were watching Town with their dad or uncle before their 12th birthday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 20:46:50 GMT 1
Too much to do and too many places to be to get the time to watch it later.  How dare you have a life outside Huddersfield Town Sandy?  This is what those that complain about our crowds don't understand, that there are plenty of other things to do on a cold, saturated Saturday afternoon or Tuesday night. Bizarre isn't it? Exactly.x |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:01:22 GMT 1
Just checked Burnley's attendance that season against Bristol City - 11,500. What did they deserve?  There was less than 11,000 there when we beat Palace 7-1. My point really was, we've never had good attendances in this league and it hasn't mattered if the club have been showing ambition, the team playing well, manager making positive comments in pre match press conferences, Sky in the concourse, the club philosophy etc What is good? |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 21:05:18 GMT 1
DATM told him " drop your prices and we will come " DATM told him " play a more entertaining brand and we will come" Ted said " it's all about winning and people go and watch a winning team. Now we have established ourselves as a bottom half team people struggle to be enthused ( even if we are positionally better than we've been for years) .. Only way to significantly increase gates is to invest big time in the squad in the hope of launching a bid for the premier league, or get relegated and hope we are top end of league one ( no guarantees) I totally agree Ted . |
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Post by terrierpark on Dec 16, 2015 21:12:31 GMT 1
Wagners first three games we dominated with a consistent style throughout, whereas saturday we didnt even turn up until it was too late.
So many might have asked after Saturday, why watch the same poor players repeat the same mistakes all over again.
Last night was more positive because we had lynch back, without him we probably would have drawn or lost.
IMO there isnt one single reason as to why attendances have dropped everybody will have their own reasons not go which they can validate but it certainly doesnt help to ask the question then criticise the answers.
But for what its worth alot are not happy with under investment in the team especially when the inaction on whats required as rolled over from one season to the next and ignored by the club.
One week Wells missess a hatful of chances that costs us the game, the next week hudson and the chocolate fireguard crew conceed a couple that costs us and they both start again and the same thing happens again whilst the club talks about partners and cycling and blah blah blah.
For the record i am a st holder and i couldnt be arsed last night after saturday .I might add that the way we finished last season giving the big boys a real run for their money i thought we were on to something that convinced me to get a st, but that play apart from sections of the brighton home game this season could not be replicated, and it was quickly made apparent that the loss of butterfield could not be easily absorbed.
If Town start to build a team like we did back in l1 then i am sure the fan base will grow too.
Wagner can only do so much and no one can polish a turd as they say
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:16:01 GMT 1
Good OP as ever by Kosi - not read the rest of the thread so apologies if the points/opinion below has been posted previously.
From a people perspective the UK is growing naturally & also unnaturally via immigration. As leisure opportunities expand, are more readily available and have a known outcome, then it's not hard to understand that football is up against it...
As other have probably said it's probably only success that will build the support & even then only gradually. I'd be accused of being hypocritical given the number of matches I attend, but in many respects that's down to personal and circumstantial reasons so lets not have a points scoring argument.
Simple fact is that for a club like ours that has sporadic and often short lived success it's difficult to build momentum. I'm sure others will cite the likes of Swansea, Stoke etc. but it's like anything in life, you have to be in the right place, right time & in the right shape to exploit the opportunity. I'm confident that this Phoenix will rise again in the next few yrs, but would like it be a sustainable rise and not a couple of seasons in the spotlight...
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 21:23:11 GMT 1
Good OP as ever by Kosi - not read the rest of the thread so apologies if the points/opinion below has been posted previously. From a people perspective the UK is growing naturally & also unnaturally via immigration. As leisure opportunities expand, are more readily available and have a known outcome, then it's not hard to understand that football is up against it... As other have probably said it's probably only success that will build the support & even then only gradually. I'd be accused of being hypocritical given the number of matches I attend, but in many respects that's down to personal and circumstantial reasons so lets not have a points scoring argument. Simple fact is that for a club like ours that has sporadic and often short lived success it's difficult to build momentum. I'm sure others will cite the likes of Swansea, Stoke etc. but it's like anything in life, you have to be in the right place, right time & in the right shape to exploit the opportunity. I'm confident that this Phoenix will rise again in the next few yrs, but would like it be a sustainable rise and not a couple of seasons in the spotlight... Surely the so called phoenix can only rise with investment. That won't be easy for a club if outgoings exceed its income.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:30:34 GMT 1
Sugy, the big stories are generally funded by clubs who you could argue have bought success, but sometimes there's a balance between investment and just hitting on the right formula (i.e. players naturally bonding to a style of play, fewer injuries etc.).
Money does play a large part & let's face it we're far from paupers, just our chairman seems to be adopting a more sustainable business plan & hopefully in yrs to come if we're all still around we can reflect that this was the platform we built upon, as unremarkable & unexciting as it may seem to some people...
If ever you need evidence of it needing a balance would it be fair to single out Newcastle who have not been shy in the transfer market, yet the club is a basket case... Net result they've been floating in the lower reaches of the PL for a few yrs now...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:03:39 GMT 1
I hope Luther was good, I recorded it and going to watch it later. No it was crapp. The butler did it. Oh no he didn't!! and it was really good. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 22:23:58 GMT 1
Sugy, the big stories are generally funded by clubs who you could argue have bought success, but sometimes there's a balance between investment and just hitting on the right formula (i.e. players naturally bonding to a style of play, fewer injuries etc.). Money does play a large part & let's face it we're far from paupers, just our chairman seems to be adopting a more sustainable business plan & hopefully in yrs to come if we're all still around we can reflect that this was the platform we built upon, as unremarkable & unexciting as it may seem to some people... If ever you need evidence of it needing a balance would it be fair to single out Newcastle who have not been shy in the transfer market, yet the club is a basket case... Net result they've been floating in the lower reaches of the PL for a few yrs now... Still not easy trying top compete with the mass of clubs in the championship who have received in the region of £60 million for failure.
Hoyle seems to have made a good call in employing Wagner, and have the belief that both will eventually take the club to the next level.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:30:51 GMT 1
You're right Sugy, only in the screwed up world of football would they reward failure with such amounts.
Or maybe that's just an incentive to progressively manipulate and suppress the bad press and longer term damage (the slow journey to the football franchise)
I suppose they could replicate the model further down the leagues?
Relegation from:
Championship to L1 - £50k for a couple of seasons
L1 to L2 - £10k (repaid if they return to L1 at the first attempt)
L2 to conference - £3k, plus 50% fuel grant for the team minibus...
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Post by jimmymac on Dec 16, 2015 22:32:02 GMT 1
Results and league position =attendance.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:57:51 GMT 1
There was less than 11,000 there when we beat Palace 7-1. My point really was, we've never had good attendances in this league and it hasn't mattered if the club have been showing ambition, the team playing well, manager making positive comments in pre match press conferences, Sky in the concourse, the club philosophy etc What is good? Similar sized clubs to us (Burnley, Reading, for example) have been able to attract 15,000+ home fans when they've been doing well in the Championship. We never have and I can't really imagine us ever doing. |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 23:16:15 GMT 1
Similar sized clubs to us (Burnley, Reading, for example) have been able to attract 15,000+ home fans when they've been doing well in the Championship. We never have and I can't really imagine us ever doing. Burnley and Reading both been in the Premiership recently. We haven't been 'going well' in the Championship since we got back in it - we've had a 4 year battle against relegation. Therein lies your answer. Only 15000 at Hull tonight.CCaptain should be arguing they don't deserve a Championship club never mind us. |
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Post by yanfan on Dec 16, 2015 23:24:37 GMT 1
I wonder if the board feel that we have a £1.5 million striker and we don't need another.I think Wagner is beginning to maximise the individual potential of our players and before splashing out on a new striker the board may wait to see if Wagner can turn Well's form around.Wagner certainly seems to think highly of Wells so for the moment we have to go with that.From what I can make out Wagner is very honest regarding his players for instance in his post match interview last night he mentioned that Miller had a lot of work to do yet to meet Wagner's standards but Miller was willing to go with that and work with Wagner to get himself up to scratch.I hope it works out for both Miller and Wells.I was very critical of both after Saturday and of Wagner.But after listening to Wagner last night (on the way home to York from the game)I have changed my opinion of Miller and Wagner though I am still not anywhere near being convinced about Wells.I hope he and Wagner can work together and prove me wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 23:28:02 GMT 1
Similar sized clubs to us (Burnley, Reading, for example) have been able to attract 15,000+ home fans when they've been doing well in the Championship. We never have and I can't really imagine us ever doing. Burnley and Reading both been in the Premiership recently. We haven't been 'going well' in the Championship since we got back in it - we've had a 4 year battle against relegation. Therein lies your answer. Only 15000 at Hull tonight.CCaptain should be arguing they don't deserve a Championship club never mind us. Reading and Burnley were getting 15k+ before they got promoted. Clubs are always going to have hangers on afterwards. In Bruce's first season gates weren't much higher than now. We started our first season unexpectedly well - I looked up the attendance for when we played Bristol City earlier (at the time our record was P13 W6 D2 L5, a PPG that would have seen us finish in the play offs) 12,500 in total. There's plenty of "if only the club did this", but it doesn't seem to matter what the price is, manager is, or if if we're challenging at the top, around 12k home fans is the best we can manage. |
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Post by Floyds on Dec 16, 2015 23:37:41 GMT 1
We actually get decent crowds considering the (mis)fortunes of the team for the last 30 years.
I'd actually ask "has the Huddersfield Town team deserved the loyal home and away support of the fans over recent years?" never mind "do the fans deserve a Championship team?"
People still struggle to comprehend that casual fans really aren't interested in resources, excuses, unfit, disinterested players who lose the majority of their games against slightly less worse opposition.
If we continue winning games, attacking teams, being positive then the feel good factor will come back and the "missing" couple of thousand will return. And that'll be the case whichever league we're in.
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Post by rubicon on Dec 16, 2015 23:40:13 GMT 1
Only my opinion, but the only thing that in my view will increase gates is winning and challenging for promotion. £10 offers and the like, just won't cut it for many folk, who simply don't think like us hardcore regulars. It's like the kid, who suddenly starts supporting the team at the top of the league, some folks just never grow out of being kids. Leicester "support" will suddenly have increased globally. It's why we had more, top six league one, and Managers and Boards need to realise this. Boro two seasons ago, had gates similar to ours, suddenly they've discovered nearly as many new fans again. Town have gone a long long time, without success at this level, and success isn't moving up a couple of places year on year. They are or were there, if I remember rightly, average gate Div 1 70-71 was 27000 or so, inc 41k and 43k for Man U and Leeds.
it fell off the season after, but believe me it was dire, and I was there week in week out. Didn't win a game after Christmas.
Strangely whilst offers don't actually provide much of an incentive, stuff like no Sky TV, leaking roofs, crap pies, exorbitant on the day prices, will put people off. Folks love a good moan.
Folks are spoilt brats these days. They want it now, be that money or fame or respect, whether they have any talent, or deserve it. It's their right don't you know, and if Town won't provide they'll bugger off to someone who will, even if only via the telly.
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Post by kosi on Dec 16, 2015 23:41:54 GMT 1
Agreed, 1 hour 20 mins last night from Pudsey, normally 40 mins max. Having already driven 250 miles yesterday I probably wouldn't have gone even at £10 but as a SC holder it just swayed it, glad I made the effort but the less mid week games the better for me. I picked my mate up last night at 6,30 in Heckmondwike and got to the Canalside at 7,35, 65 minutes to do a 7 mile journey and i was knackered after driving to Suffolk and back with my work. It will get worse when Kirklees eventually revamp Cooper bridge and we when do get to the promised land!! i will have to set off at 5pm to get to the ground in time. I am glad i went, and while we are going on about crowds, 4 games in the Championship last night had crowds lower than Town. But they didn't charge £10 to get in for all fans |
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Post by kosi on Dec 16, 2015 23:46:29 GMT 1
Some great posts and debate. This is what DATM all about, some real diverse opinion!
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Post by DannyG on Dec 16, 2015 23:58:42 GMT 1
In Bruce's first season gates weren't much higher than now. I don't think our attendances were too bad compared to others. Look at Bolton's who actually made the play-offs rather than sold the heart of their team then bottled it at the end in front of several decent home crowds when we failed to win 1999/2000 attendancesDo Bolton, QPR, Sheffield United, Norwich, Portsmouth, West Brom, Fulham and Palace not deserve Championship, let alone Premiership teams, based on their support that season? |
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Post by wtd on Dec 17, 2015 0:00:45 GMT 1
DATM told him " drop your prices and we will come " DATM told him " play a more entertaining brand and we will come" Ted said " it's all about winning and people go and watch a winning team". talks  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:10:02 GMT 1
In Bruce's first season gates weren't much higher than now. I don't think our attendances were too bad compared to others. Look at Bolton's who actually made the play-offs rather than sold the heart of their team then bottled it at the end in front of several decent home crowds when we failed to win ;) 1999/2000 attendancesDo Bolton, QPR, Sheffield United, Norwich, Portsmouth, West Brom, Fulham and Palace not deserve Championship, let alone Premiership teams, based on their support that season? The season after, when we didn't win a home game till December, was only about 1,000 less. Where we are in the league doesn't really seem to change how many show up to any real extent. Not sure I've ever said any club deserves a place in a league based on their attendance ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:22:50 GMT 1
I don't think our attendances were too bad compared to others. Look at Bolton's who actually made the play-offs rather than sold the heart of their team then bottled it at the end in front of several decent home crowds when we failed to win 1999/2000 attendancesDo Bolton, QPR, Sheffield United, Norwich, Portsmouth, West Brom, Fulham and Palace not deserve Championship, let alone Premiership teams, based on their support that season? The season after, when we didn't win a home game till December, was only about 1,000 less. Where we are in the league doesn't really seem to change how many show up to any real extent. Not sure I've ever said any club deserves a place in a league based on their attendance But you said "I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. " Well in what way hasn't the area shown they want a Champ club? The core support is still there. Perhaps those excuses are actually genuine reasons i.e cost, results etc. |
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Post by DannyG on Dec 17, 2015 0:24:23 GMT 1
The season after, when we didn't win a home game till December, was only about 1,000 less. Where we are in the league doesn't really seem to change how many show up to any real extent. Not sure I've ever said any club deserves a place in a league based on their attendance Fair enough. Same question as to whether Bolton, Portsmouth, Palace, Fulham, West Brom, Norwich, Sheffield United, QPR fans/areas wanted Championship football teams then |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 17, 2015 0:25:56 GMT 1
DATM told him " drop your prices and we will come " DATM told him " play a more entertaining brand and we will come" Ted said " it's all about winning and people go and watch a winning team". talks Yea from here on in I will be adopting seaversesque self importance to all my posts |
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