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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 17:09:05 GMT 1
The only other time we've played Bristol City in the Championship since we got promoted the attendance was 12,500. It was in November and despite a couple of away drubbings to poor teams in the last two games, we'd been very good up to that point (the previous home game was the 2-1 win over Wolves). I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. Just checked Burnley's attendance that season against Bristol City - 11,500. What did they deserve? ;) There was less than 11,000 there when we beat Palace 7-1. My point really was, we've never had good attendances in this league and it hasn't mattered if the club have been showing ambition, the team playing well, manager making positive comments in pre match press conferences, Sky in the concourse, the club philosophy etc |
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Post by DannyG on Dec 16, 2015 17:10:12 GMT 1
My point really was, we've never had good attendances in this league and it hasn't mattered if the club have been showing ambition, the team playing well, manager making positive comments in pre match press conferences, Sky in the concourse, the club philosophy etc My point was that our attendances are no worse than some other clubs who have succeeded at this level  In the spirit of our new era, I think we should stop using it as an excuse/reason to criticise. Just as Wagner has stopped using our relative finances as an excuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 17:10:17 GMT 1
The only other time we've played Bristol City in the Championship since we got promoted the attendance was 12,500. It was in November and despite a couple of away drubbings to poor teams in the last two games, we'd been very good up to that point (the previous home game was the 2-1 win over Wolves). I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. Just checked Burnley's attendance that season against Bristol City - 11,500. What did they deserve?  wooden seats and a town the resembles 1970? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 17:18:33 GMT 1
My point really was, we've never had good attendances in this league and it hasn't mattered if the club have been showing ambition, the team playing well, manager making positive comments in pre match press conferences, Sky in the concourse, the club philosophy etc My point was that our attendances are no worse than some other clubs who have succeeded at this level :) In the spirit of our new era, I think we should stop using it as an excuse/reason to criticise. Just as Wagner has stopped using our relative finances as an excuse. You're right. Whatever the club do, roughly the same amount of people turn up. I suppose like Powell keep mentioning our budget isn't going to change anything, people coming up with things to improve gates seemingly won't make much difference either. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2015 17:23:49 GMT 1
Walter, we were poor on Saturday and I travelled across for the game last night. What does that tell you, eh?. I can see what Wagner is trying to do and I appreciate it. Try to provoke me all you want, I speak as I find and I am happy with the new Manager, extremely happy and have no intention of as you put it 'pulling any tricks on the new Guy'.Good to hear, but forgive me for being sceptical. I was amused to see you put someone in their place (quite rightly) who was slagging off Wagner so early in his time on here the other day. Obviously not just Americans who don't get irony... Walter, what vegetables do you like?. I like Sprouts but dont like sweetcorn. It doesnt mean I dont like all vegetables. Irony, Irony?, what the feck are you on about?. Powell had 57 games to show us how absolutely shite football can be to watch. Wagner has in 5 matches given us more in terms of how football should be played than Powells 57 matches put together. That aint irony Pal, that is me being able to see the difference in what goes on, on the training ground week in, week out and how that transmits on to the pitch. It is me being able to recognise a really good coach who has a clear vision, not just some sort of survival strategy. I admire though your loyatly to Powell, after all, you have to do this after backing him so much. In fairness, I too would do the same with Wagner after backing him the same way as you have Powell. Anyway, I am bored of you now. Can you please move on to somebody else and leave me alone?. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 17:48:33 GMT 1
Building crowds up takes time and effort. Expecting a great increase immediately because of an offer is naive. Keep offering value and good football - get fans talking about games positively and build momentum.
If you build it they will come... Eventually.
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Post by stevecato64 on Dec 16, 2015 18:04:52 GMT 1
Look around, crowds are down at many places.. QPR v Brighton, 15,000 and poor gates at Blackburn and more..
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 18:06:34 GMT 1
In the great scheme of things an extra 5,000 on our gates won't make a jot of difference to our future prospects anyway; say 5,000 paying an average of £20 per game over a season 'only' equates to an extra £2.3m. That's not even 1 quality player if you include his wages and transfer fee etc. When you compare that to parachute payments of £64m it won't make a blind bit of difference at this level. Sadly football is no longer about the fans it's all corporate now and the income from the turnstiles is a small amount when you consider what it needs to become successful these days.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 16, 2015 18:20:43 GMT 1
Another poor gate IMO. Saw on another thread someone questioning whether the people of Huddersfield and surrounding areas want a championship club. Interesting point. No doubt the opposition, the weather Saturday, no sky in the ground, Christmas, lack of concrete at canalside etc etc will be factored in to why numbers were low again, but having a new manager in, the great football v Boro then euphoria of the brum win and for them numbers and all the whining of prices too high, the board must be bitterly disappointed. Is the interest still there anymore? We seem to have lost a few thousand. Concerning  Lost a couple last night .Luther was on TV and only two episodes this time round so sorry Ibris Elba or getting wet through at footie was a " no brainer " for me You can joke, but that's a lot to do with it. A lot of people are quite lazy and like their creature comforts. Quite ironic with accusations often thrown at the players, management and club in general. Is Clibbens actually that far wrong with his comment on price elasticity? Whatever you say, the drop doesn't get enough additional folk in to positively impact the finances, as much as it may help the atmosphere. |
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Post by eastterrace on Dec 16, 2015 18:21:34 GMT 1
I've supported Town since the mid 1950s. The good people of Huddersfield are notoriously difficult to please and extremely fickle. Add to this that, apart from the really big games, the support has never been that outstanding. To have any chance of getting them back will require Town to be challenging in the top 6 consistently and maybe, just maybe, getting to the premier league. If at the same time L***s disappear (we can but hope) then the glory hunters/floaters will possibly be attracted to Town. The dire football and struggle for survival of recent championship campaigns does nowt to attract people back or acquire new fans. Then there's the usual competition from TV (stopping at home to watch Luther. Ye Gods, record it man and watch later), champs league football and a multitude of other competing attractions. Town's ability to let you down also plays a part eg Brizzle game. This seems to have been a feature/characteristic of Town for many, many years.
So let's hope DW and his team can give us a team that is attractive, hard to beat and challenges at the right end of the table. Then, you never know......
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 18:27:55 GMT 1
Some people seem concerned about towns attendances .
Both of towns recent championship relegation scraps attracted bigger crowds than Bournemouth v Man Utd " premier league match ".
Good job Bournemouth have around £140 million from the premier league honey pot to subsidize their gates.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 16, 2015 18:35:27 GMT 1
We have had this thread more than once but here are the main reasons why crowds are falling.
1. Young lads have no interest (or have too many other interests). The numbers who play have fallen dramatically and consequently so has the interest in watching.
2. Immigrants/Moslems in Huddersfield have zero interest...now 10% of population.
3. Lack of excitement. Its entertainment. Shoot!
4. Players ego/wages and lack of connection to the local area or club. I have not met a player away from the ground environs in 15 years. They are largely arseholes.
5. Ticket costs...up 400% in real terms since 1970.
6. Blatant marketing...rubbish thrust at us as though we were cash cows.
7. Attitude and service of everyone working at the ground. Appalling. coppers, stewards, service staff plus silly queues at the ticket office and food outlets etc.
8. Traffic and parking. Dearer and more congested year on year. The massive car park on St Andrews is barely used, get a deal done with the council.
9. Poor atmosphere, poor facilities to say its 2015.
Just a few examples.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 18:38:32 GMT 1
Some people seem concerned about towns attendances .
Both of towns recent championship relegation scraps attracted bigger crowds than Bournemouth v Man Utd " premier league match ".
Good job they have around £140 million from the premier league honey pot to subsidize their gates.
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Post by dugnet on Dec 16, 2015 18:39:10 GMT 1
Rightly or wrongly it's a simple equation to me, we need a team that gets the Town's interest again but over a sustained period. I think people have short memories as when the Buxton era hit the buffers we were down to less than 9,000 gates and this dropped to around 6,500 - now this was an era that relatively the cost of attending football was much less than now.
I think we are sometimes fooled into believing we are "bigger" than we are. The fact is we are able to attract a decent level of attendance for one off games and in a sustained period of success. In reality however we are probably only 3000 down on the numbers we could expect if people "believed a bit more.
If there was sustained run of results I could see us getting 13k home fans, and in very positive circumstances up to 15-16k but any more would be exceptional now. I know many don't like to admit it but that's our upper fan basis best case scenario (not withstanding a massive play-off, cup or Premiership season).
The fact is it costs a lot and there are many other things people prefer to do other than watch football. An exciting, identifiable group of players does however help eg The Buxton and Warnock years.
I wouldn't get too disheartened - take a look at the acres of empty seats at Blackburn...a similar sized club who won the Premier League in living memory.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 18:43:23 GMT 1
Some people seem concerned about towns attendances .
Both of towns recent championship relegation scraps attracted bigger crowds than Bournemouth v Man Utd " premier league match ".
Good job they have around £140 million from the premier league honey pot to subsidize their gates.
Might that have something to do with Bournemouth's ground capacity? 12,000 isn't it? Rightly so , but think the crowd for the Man Utd game was just over 11,000 wasn't it.?? Maybe due to segregation.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 18:45:46 GMT 1
Some people seem concerned about towns attendances .
Both of towns recent championship relegation scraps attracted bigger crowds than Bournemouth v Man Utd " premier league match ".
Good job they have around £140 million from the premier league honey pot to subsidize their gates.
Might that have something to do with Bournemouth's ground capacity? 12,000 isn't it? The capacity is 11,464 and they are yet to fill it - whether that is due to police restrictions, tv restrictions, away allocations not being taken up etc I don't know but they have yet to sell out for a Premier League game this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 18:46:31 GMT 1
Lost a couple last night .Luther was on TV and only two episodes this time round so sorry Ibris Elba or getting wet through at footie was a " no brainer " for me It's 2015, Sandy... record it for later! Too much to do and too many places to be to get the time to watch it later. |
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Post by willo on Dec 16, 2015 18:51:35 GMT 1
You have to wonder Kosi whether there's something in this. Am I correct in thinking that even when we were (briefly) top of the table under Steve Bruce's time at the club that crowds didn't generally get beyond the 14,500 mark? And this was when we were playing well with probably our best out-and-out striker in the last 30+ years in Marcus Stewart playing up front. Maybe the demand just isn't there. If DW can carry on with what he's doing, we invest properly in a new centre forward and centre half in January and start stringing some results together, who knows? We then roll into the summer with the prospect of the deal on season tickets and a pre-season for DW. As for the last 2 home games, the weather Saturday was properly shite, not just a little drizzle like last night. That and the performance will have put many off. As for staying in to watch Luther, a decent tv programme granted but can be recorded and laughable you'd miss a game for (assuming it was a season ticket holder). I'd be ashamed to admit it and have blamed traffic problems for not making it. Finally, the traffic has to have a bearing on the crowd for a night game. I have to travel over from Leeds, my brother from Knaresborough, guy next to me has to get across from York. Not easy when you can't finish work 'til 5.30. It would have been easy to stay in and watch Luther but come on! Not the best of games admittedly but we won, saw a great goal from Carayol and I can say I was there when Miller finally got off the mark this season! |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 16, 2015 18:52:09 GMT 1
It's 2015, Sandy... record it for later! Too much to do and too many places to be to get the time to watch it later. How dare you have a life outside Huddersfield Town Sandy?  This is what those that complain about our crowds don't understand, that there are plenty of other things to do on a cold, saturated Saturday afternoon or Tuesday night. Bizarre isn't it? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 16, 2015 19:00:35 GMT 1
I hope Luther was good, I recorded it and going to watch it later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 19:07:17 GMT 1
Might that have something to do with Bournemouth's ground capacity? 12,000 isn't it? The capacity is 11,464 and they are yet to fill it - whether that is due to police restrictions, tv restrictions, away allocations not being taken up etc I don't know but they have yet to sell out for a Premier League game this season. The fact that the attendance was exactly 2 less for the Spurs match 11,332 than Man. U. 11,334 tells me it's about restrictions. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 19:10:51 GMT 1
Might that have something to do with Bournemouth's ground capacity? 12,000 isn't it? Rightly so , but think the crowd for the Man Utd game was just over 11,000 wasn't it.?? Maybe due to segregation.
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 16, 2015 19:24:48 GMT 1
I hope Luther was good, I recorded it and going to watch it later. No it was crapp. The butler did it. |
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 16, 2015 19:37:45 GMT 1
The defeat to bristol city being our 4th on the spin at home must have had a massive impact.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Dec 16, 2015 19:48:06 GMT 1
It's not that bad !! Look at Cardiffs gate last night, a city with a much larger population than us just out of the Premier League and on the edge of the playoffs got a massive gate of 12.5 K. Look at Prestons gates, they haven't rocketed on the back of getting promoted. Only way Town would see a big surge in attendances is if we went up and most of those would be only going for the prospect of seeing Premier League football. Think Town have an excellent hardcore of support and must have one of the best away followings around versus the size of our support !!
To to most folk with young kids those who don't live local or don't finish work till half five / six midweek games are a non starter.
Went with a couple of lads that haven't been for ages last night and they were genuinely impressed with what they saw. If we can keep playing in this vein and results start to come a fair few will come back. Let's not beat what is a very decent loyal hardcore of supporters with the mantra we don't deserve success due to our support. In that vein we'd have never seen teams like Wigan, Bournemouth and Blackpool in the Prem.
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Post by hudmat on Dec 16, 2015 19:55:14 GMT 1
Headlines are usually of town selling a star man, never of us signing one.
The message is clear from the club, we can't compete with other clubs in this league.
We never have a good cup run or draw a decent team from the premiership to create a buzz around the place.
The product we have on offer is championship survival football.
I understand why the above are happening, but it does not excite the people of Huddersfield. It doesn't matter if you tell them we are trying to be self sustaining, living within our means etc, most fans don't care about the finances of the club one bit they just want to see a winning football team whether we like it or not.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2015 20:00:33 GMT 1
Headlines are usually of town selling a star man, never of us signing one. The message is clear from the club, we can't compete with other clubs in this league. We never have a good cup run or draw a decent team from the premiership to create a buzz around the place. The product we have on offer is championship survival football. I understand why the above are happening, but it does not excite the people of Huddersfield. It doesn't matter if you tell them we are trying to be self sustaining, living within our means etc, most fans don't care about the finances of the club one bit they just want to see a winning football team whether we like it or not. So Hudmat, tell me how much of your hard earned have you offered to give Dean Hoyle towards buying more Players? (as trying to live within means in your view is not the way forward). |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Dec 16, 2015 20:02:02 GMT 1
To be fair I thought it was decent for such a foul night, compared to our usual home night gates. Rotherham did bring more than I expected though. You got to remember people have to battle through traffic to get home and then come out again, the traffic must put people off, everywhere I go no matter what time of day traffic is always bloody terrible, I'm sick of sitting in queuing traffic. Agreed, 1 hour 20 mins last night from Pudsey, normally 40 mins max. Having already driven 250 miles yesterday I probably wouldn't have gone even at £10 but as a SC holder it just swayed it, glad I made the effort but the less mid week games the better for me. I picked my mate up last night at 6,30 in Heckmondwike and got to the Canalside at 7,35, 65 minutes to do a 7 mile journey and i was knackered after driving to Suffolk and back with my work. It will get worse when Kirklees eventually revamp Cooper bridge and we when do get to the promised land!! i will have to set off at 5pm to get to the ground in time. I am glad i went, and while we are going on about crowds, 4 games in the Championship last night had crowds lower than Town. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 16, 2015 20:05:38 GMT 1
If you think crowds are down at town, Cardiff are averaging over 5k less than last season.. 21k last season 14500 this! I know it was discounted but we still had only the 5th lowest crowd in the championship yesterday.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2015 20:08:00 GMT 1
Rightly so , but think the crowd for the Man Utd game was just over 11,000 wasn't it.?? Maybe due to segregation.
Which is why we will never fill to capacity. It makes me wonder how many actually fans Bournemouth have.
I seem to remember a crowd of around 10,000 when town played them last season when I think they were top of the championship ,
Still was an amazing atmosphere with top class cheese burgers to match .
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