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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:29:12 GMT 1
The season after, when we didn't win a home game till December, was only about 1,000 less. Where we are in the league doesn't really seem to change how many show up to any real extent. Not sure I've ever said any club deserves a place in a league based on their attendance ;) But you said "I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. " Well in what way hasn't the area shown they want a Champ club? The core support is still there. Perhaps those excuses are actually genuine reasons i.e cost, results etc. In some cases they will be (charging £38 is inexcusable), however why have crowds not been higher when results have been good and prices more realistic? There only seems to be a set amount of people who want to watch Championship football who live in the area - that doesn't mean the club aren't deserving of being here. As I said, there's plenty of theories of what the club could do for more to come, but I don't see any evidence that they would have any impact - they haven't in the fairly recent past at any rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:34:09 GMT 1
The season after, when we didn't win a home game till December, was only about 1,000 less. Where we are in the league doesn't really seem to change how many show up to any real extent. Not sure I've ever said any club deserves a place in a league based on their attendance ;) Fair enough. Same question as to whether Bolton, Portsmouth, Palace, Fulham, West Brom, Norwich, Sheffield United, QPR fans/areas wanted Championship football teams then ;) I just think every club has a certain amount of people who want to watch them play at this level. Ours seems to be a bit lower than clubs from similar sized towns and doesn't change much wherever we are in the league. |
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Post by DannyG on Dec 17, 2015 0:38:04 GMT 1
The season before Bruce took charge of us, Bradford won automatic promotion to the Prem with pretty much identical attendances to ours in 99/00. It's this theory that Huddersfield is somehow different to other areas that just doesn't stack up to me. I don't get it and nothing I see suggests we're in any way less (or more) supportive than other areas/teams.
I think people are looking at teams AFTER having achieved success and getting higher attendances than ours and asking why we aren't... and it's because we haven't achieved the same as those others with genuine promotion challenges from this division, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 1:26:48 GMT 1
I think we'll build again. The whole momentum of a new owner was lost sadly. A succession of poor and poorly backed managers furthered the decline.
However, a promising young manager with attacking intent and a fresh approach, significant backing from the owner time and money, goals and wins is the winning formula.
Some clever additions in Jan, finish the season well, invest heavily in summer and a good season card offer and we could get up to where we need to be. Oh, and improving the bars and match day experience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 1:46:26 GMT 1
I think we'll build again. The whole momentum of a new owner was lost sadly. A succession of poor and poorly backed managers furthered the decline. However, a promising young manager with attacking intent and a fresh approach, significant backing from the owner time and money, goals and wins is the winning formula. Some clever additions in Jan, finish the season well, invest heavily in summer and a good season card offer and we could get up to where we need to be. Oh, and improving the bars and match day experience. Was that momentum lost really? We were heading for sub 8000 gates towards the end of Davy time. To be attracting 12k plus, especially with the relatively poor away support that this league seems to have, seems PRETTY GOOD to me. |
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Post by trailingleg on Dec 17, 2015 3:34:07 GMT 1
How dare you have a life outside Huddersfield Town Sandy?  This is what those that complain about our crowds don't understand, that there are plenty of other things to do on a cold, saturated Saturday afternoon or Tuesday night. Bizarre isn't it? Exactly.x Then go and tell someone else. What are you doing on here? There must be some crap soap opera that you are missing whilst you are writing shoite on this forum. Just go away and let us Town fans get on with it. God help us! |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Dec 17, 2015 7:51:06 GMT 1
I think we'll build again. The whole momentum of a new owner was lost sadly. A succession of poor and poorly backed managers furthered the decline. However, a promising young manager with attacking intent and a fresh approach, significant backing from the owner time and money, goals and wins is the winning formula. Some clever additions in Jan, finish the season well, invest heavily in summer and a good season card offer and we could get up to where we need to be. Oh, and improving the bars and match day experience. And getting f**king sky sports back on you tight bastards |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 10:18:39 GMT 1
Then go and tell someone else. What are you doing on here? There must be some crap soap opera that you are missing whilst you are writing shoite on this forum. Just go away and let us Town fans get on with it. God help us! Remind me when was is mandatory not to write shoite on DATM.  N.B. just for for the record I will write what I wish. |
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Post by jimmymac on Dec 17, 2015 11:56:51 GMT 1
Always said this you open the gates for free and if we were top of the championship we would only get 14000 fans.....maybe 15000 at a push and that's if its free......we are a small club in this division....
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Post by trailingleg on Dec 17, 2015 12:09:39 GMT 1
Then go and tell someone else. What are you doing on here? There must be some crap soap opera that you are missing whilst you are writing shoite on this forum. Just go away and let us Town fans get on with it. God help us! Remind me when was is mandatory not to write shoite on DATM. N.B. just for for the record I will write what I wish. It's a thing I have. I dislike people who boast about not attending matches - not a 'freedom of speech' issue. I just wish they'd get lost. |
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Post by detox on Dec 17, 2015 12:18:44 GMT 1
Always said this you open the gates for free and if we were top of the championship we would only get 14000 fans.....maybe 15000 at a push and that's if its free......we are a small club in this division.... I think it's more true to say we are a small town rather than a small club, one follows the other. If Town ever did get to the premier league we'd sell 90% of our season cards I reckon, that'd be around 18,000 guaranteed home fans plus whatever casuals and away fans turn up...gates of over 20,000 would be astounding for a small town like ours. I know there is a wide catchment area for Town but the fringes see fans going to Wednesday, barnsley, Leeds and man Utd which are just a short drive away. If you think for example of Brentford ..they have a massive catchment area but hardly ever fill their small ground capacity of 12,763 ..and even their plans for a new stadium will only have a capacity of 20,000. This is a club that used to get 38,000 gates in their glory years, so the catchment is there but the fans have gone elsewhere after years of decline, like Town. |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 17, 2015 12:23:44 GMT 1
But you said "I don't think the area has shown in wants a Championship club in any period since we've come up, although there has been an array of excuses. " Well in what way hasn't the area shown they want a Champ club? The core support is still there. Perhaps those excuses are actually genuine reasons i.e cost, results etc. In some cases they will be (charging £38 is inexcusable), however why have crowds not been higher when results have been good and prices more realistic? There only seems to be a set amount of people who want to watch Championship football who live in the area - that doesn't mean the club aren't deserving of being here. As I said, there's plenty of theories of what the club could do for more to come, but I don't see any evidence that they would have any impact - they haven't in the fairly recent past at any rate. I think, like others have said, it is much easier to lose fans than win them back. Very high prices and awful entertainment have driven people away. They have subsequently found other things to do on a Saturday. It is not so easy to convince them to give up those other things now they have got used to doing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 12:37:40 GMT 1
This should slowly bring fans back over the coming seasons...if the club stick at it and don't chop and change every year.
First 10 years I spent in South End of Kilner, and the first few years of that had lots of singing in that bit of the Kilner, it felt like a football match.
Last few years I've gone on tour via FM Upper and Lower and Riverside Lower and occasionally Upper and 2 or 3 times in South Stand.
On Saturday I returned to the south end of the Kilner for the first time in maybe 4 or seasons, sitting exactly where I'd sat for years, all those years before.
It was RUBBISH. Totally void of any kind of feeling of being at a football game. I doubt I'll *ever* return to that stand.
I'll be back obviously; but if someone turned up and sat in certain parts of the ground, I would wholeheartedly understand why they might decide the local football team isn't for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 17:31:50 GMT 1
Remind me when was is mandatory not to write shoite on DATM. N.B. just for for the record I will write what I wish. It's a thing I have. I dislike people who boast about not attending matches - not a 'freedom of speech' issue. I just wish they'd get lost. When you have supported Town as many decades as I have then I wouldn`t be at all bothered if you chose to stay at home and do something else.Sorry but the get lost attitude smacks of rudeness. BTW I seem to remember,correct me if I am wrong but you didn`t attend a couple of recent games? So you must have found other things to do ? |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 17, 2015 17:43:17 GMT 1
So Hudmat, tell me how much of your hard earned have you offered to give Dean Hoyle towards buying more Players? (as trying to live within means in your view is not the way forward). I was merely pointing out what I think most peoples perception of the club is. I never said anything about my own view on these things so just climb yourself down from that big old high horse. When you find a floating fan that tells you they really want to go and watch good business and good finances let me know. Just because you don't like these views or think people act like spoilt brats it doesn't change the fact that its true. Fair does Hudmat, I thought with you posting this it was your opinion but can see the point you are making here. My point though, whilst it would appear is not now relevant to yourself still stands for others that want Hoyle to keep spending (and are often the same ones complaining about the cost of watching Town). I think based on your post here, you too probably dont think this is right either? (i,e it aint all down to Hoyle to keep putting his hand in his pocket and I accept that we do and will have to sell Players from time to time to help balance the books). |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 17, 2015 18:02:20 GMT 1
Remind me when was is mandatory not to write shoite on DATM. N.B. just for for the record I will write what I wish. It's a thing I have. I dislike people who boast about not attending matches - not a 'freedom of speech' issue. I just wish they'd get lost. I always thought this was a forum for anyone who wanted to discuss all things Huddersfield Town, not just those that give up every spare minute they have to go and watch them religiously no matter what. FYI those that miss the odd game or maybe even a lot of games through their own choice aren't boasting about it, it shows they actually have a life that doesn't just involve going to work and attending Town matches (bit of a miserable existence that I would imagine). |
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Post by hudmat on Dec 17, 2015 18:05:49 GMT 1
I was merely pointing out what I think most peoples perception of the club is. I never said anything about my own view on these things so just climb yourself down from that big old high horse. When you find a floating fan that tells you they really want to go and watch good business and good finances let me know. Just because you don't like these views or think people act like spoilt brats it doesn't change the fact that its true. Fair does Hudmat, I thought with you posting this it was your opinion but can see the point you are making here. My point though, whilst it would appear is not now relevant to yourself still stands for others that want Hoyle to keep spending (and are often the same ones complaining about the cost of watching Town). I think based on your post here, you too probably dont think this is right either? (i,e it aint all down to Hoyle to keep putting his hand in his pocket and I accept that we do and will have to sell Players from time to time to help balance the books). I fully appreciate what Dean is doing and do not wish to see us spiralling into debt spending copious amounts of cash that we can't afford. I also agree it is often the same people complaining about signings that complain about the cost of watching town, but not always. However I don't think we can just ignore this view people have just because we don't like it. There has to a lot of planning both short term and long term by the club as to how to rebuild and increase the crowds. This includes changing the perception of the club, which I accept is not easy, but not impossible. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Dec 17, 2015 18:06:27 GMT 1
You do realise that it's Christmas time. Parties, presents, food to buy etc. Afraid those are priorities over a football game for most people.
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Post by jimmymac on Dec 17, 2015 21:17:12 GMT 1
This thread goes out to all season ticket holders.....respect to the lot of you....if you can commit to 23 homes then good on ya......i couldent.....even if I could I wouldn't.....I,v got other things to do in my life.....and working away from home doesent help....i admit I,m a shit supporter.....only thing I will say is when I,m there I don't hold back and support the team.....UTT.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 21:33:09 GMT 1
This thread goes out to all season ticket holders.....respect to the lot of you....if you can commit to 23 homes then good on ya......i couldent.....even if I could I wouldn't.....I,v got other things to do in my life.....and working away from home doesent help....i admit I,m a shit supporter.....only thing I will say is when I,m there I don't hold back and support the team.....UTT..... I'm with you there sometimes other things in life are far more important than going through the turnstiles at Town. UTT. |
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Post by COWleySHED on Dec 17, 2015 21:42:13 GMT 1
Another poor gate IMO. Saw on another thread someone questioning whether the people of Huddersfield and surrounding areas want a championship club. Interesting point. No doubt the opposition, the weather Saturday, no sky in the ground, Christmas, lack of concrete at canalside etc etc will be factored in to why numbers were low again, but having a new manager in, the great football v Boro then euphoria of the brum win and for them numbers and all the whining of prices too high, the board must be bitterly disappointed. Is the interest still there anymore? We seem to have lost a few thousand. Concerning  Great post kosi, I have to agree with you a really poor turn out considering it was £10. People will boycott the fa cup match and we will probably only have 6000 turn up. For many people the Boxing Day fixtures is a family match and hence a one off and the crowd should be near 17000. My point is that after tues game when is the next game for many people 12th January by my reckoning so yes people can spouse excuses, traffic weather Luther etc but if I was the board I would be disappointed with the numbers in attendance on these £10 matches but especially with Tuesday crowd |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 21:52:41 GMT 1
people go to football for enjoyment,not just solely to bump attendance figures up,if they don't want to go its there call,were just not a club with a massive fan base so it shows more,but there's no way any one can judge people that miss games,as for Dean Hoyle been disappointed, if I had his money I wouldn't even be in this country in the winter
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Post by COWleySHED on Dec 17, 2015 22:56:12 GMT 1
people go to football for enjoyment,not just solely to bump attendance figures up,if they don't want to go its there call,were just not a club with a massive fan base so it shows more,but there's no way any one can judge people that miss games,as for Dean Hoyle been disappointed, if I had his money I wouldn't even be in this country in the winter Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 23:06:43 GMT 1
people go to football for enjoyment,not just solely to bump attendance figures up,if they don't want to go its there call,were just not a club with a massive fan base so it shows more,but there's no way any one can judge people that miss games,as for Dean Hoyle been disappointed, if I had his money I wouldn't even be in this country in the winter Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats I thought you wasn't judging, so whys my comment on Hoyles money stupid? any way who says I'm talking about you,,,,and even if you give free admission people still won't turn up if they don't want to,,,,,,personally I do turn up, |
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Post by mids on Dec 17, 2015 23:06:57 GMT 1
people go to football for enjoyment,not just solely to bump attendance figures up,if they don't want to go its there call,were just not a club with a massive fan base so it shows more,but there's no way any one can judge people that miss games,as for Dean Hoyle been disappointed, if I had his money I wouldn't even be in this country in the winter Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats I went to my 2nd and 3rd games of the season this week. I was excited to see what had changed and to see a different approach and what all the glee was about. In the 180 minutes I was entertained for about 20 minutes. I was disappointed at the supposed pressing game. Can't say it looked much different to my 1st game of the season. However we now have a proactive confident manager who makes positive substitutions. Once the players have had more time taking on board the new ideas and the manager can bring in his own players who fit our system I'm sure my future games will be more entertaining |
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Post by jimmymac on Dec 17, 2015 23:14:33 GMT 1
people go to football for enjoyment,not just solely to bump attendance figures up,if they don't want to go its there call,were just not a club with a massive fan base so it shows more,but there's no way any one can judge people that miss games,as for Dean Hoyle been disappointed, if I had his money I wouldn't even be in this country in the winter Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats 14000 is our max if we are doing well... 17000 for one off games....we,ve had this debate loads of times.....we haven't got the fans simple as that..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 23:15:31 GMT 1
Also Luther is only a two parter this series so some that stayed at home on Tuesday could decide football is back on their agenda |
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Post by Stiggy on Dec 17, 2015 23:21:55 GMT 1
Nothing to do with price for me..I don't think I'll be renewing next year unless things change.
The main thing for me is the match day experience and the lack of excitement around the club.
Barely surviving and selling our best players year on year is sadly starting to take its toll..
The only thing keeping me going at the minute is my lad who still enjoys going but even his excitement is in decline.
We'll probably pick our games next season.
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Post by COWleySHED on Dec 17, 2015 23:51:36 GMT 1
Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats I thought you wasn't judging, so whys my comment on Hoyles money stupid? any way who says I'm talking about you,,,,and even if you give free admission people still won't turn up if they don't want to,,,,,,personally I do turn up, I wasn't judging why people choose not to come -that's up to them. However I will judge you if you make daft comments |
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Post by COWleySHED on Dec 17, 2015 23:54:19 GMT 1
Who's judging? I'm sure the fans that did attend were entertained I know I was. Stupid comment regarding Hoyle and his money I'm far from his biggest fan but he reduces prices to £10 less than people paid in league 1 and yet still we go no more attending. As other people have said this is an exciting time Wagner has got us fitter and loving the ball. We no longer sit off teams and try to take the game to them, even talk of new additions in January I fail to see what more could be done by the club to get bums on seats I went to my 2nd and 3rd games of the season this week. I was excited to see what had changed and to see a different approach and what all the glee was about. In the 180 minutes I was entertained for about 20 minutes. I was disappointed at the supposed pressing game. Can't say it looked much different to my 1st game of the season. However we now have a proactive confident manager who makes positive substitutions. Once the players have had more time taking on board the new ideas and the manager can bring in his own players who fit our system I'm sure my future games will be more entertaining I think your been abit harsh saying 20 mins worth of entertainment. We scored two absolute top draw goals, won a penalty, hit the post, Dempsey had 2 top chances and we didn't concede from open play. |
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