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Post by trailingleg on Dec 18, 2015 0:04:18 GMT 1
It's a thing I have. I dislike people who boast about not attending matches - not a 'freedom of speech' issue. I just wish they'd get lost. When you have supported Town as many decades as I have then I wouldn`t be at all bothered if you chose to stay at home and do something else.Sorry but the get lost attitude smacks of rudeness. BTW I seem to remember,correct me if I am wrong but you didn`t attend a couple of recent games? So you must have found other things to do ? Yep - missed the Middlesbrough and Birmingham games - abroad - although to be fair I probably wouldn't have gone to Birmingham. Does five and a half decades qualify? OK I give up. Please continue to tell everyone on the board how they are wasting their time watching Town and should be watching television instead, and I'll keep my annoyance to myself. Deal? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 0:08:09 GMT 1
Attending football games is a habit. The pay on the gate costs are so high that people have found other things to do. A tenner in is great, but many now have other commitments. Season tickets dictate the floor for attendances and it's important for Town to know this. I wonder what the usual increase in attendance is when Town do the tenner deal.
"The area doesn't want a Championship football club" is nonsense. It does, it just doesn't have the numbers to back up the financial output required to play as equals.
Paul Clement mentioned this week that it was amazing that Derby were averaging 30k as it meant that 1 in 10 were attending the Rams' games. We aren't far off 1 in 10 either (146k in Hudds in 2001. Derby too will have attendees from further afield too as we do from Hecky etc). As for wider area Hudds has 450K, Derby 1.5M according to the same consensus, still proportionally similar.
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Post by benhomly on Dec 18, 2015 1:28:24 GMT 1
Attending football games is a habit. The pay on the gate costs are so high that people have found other things to do. A tenner in is great, but many now have other commitments. Season tickets dictate the floor for attendances and it's important for Town to know this. I wonder what the usual increase in attendance is when Town do the tenner deal. "The area doesn't want a Championship football club" is nonsense. It does, it just doesn't have the numbers to back up the financial output required to play as equals. Paul Clement mentioned this week that it was amazing that Derby were averaging 30k as it meant that 1 in 10 were attending the Rams' games. We aren't far off 1 in 10 either (146k in Hudds in 2001. Derby too will have attendees from further afield too as we do from Hecky etc). As for wider area Hudds has 450K, Derby 1.5M according to the same consensus, still proportionally similar. Don't talk sense on here mate - they don't like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 7:25:56 GMT 1
I thought you wasn't judging, so whys my comment on Hoyles money stupid? any way who says I'm talking about you,,,,and even if you give free admission people still won't turn up if they don't want to,,,,,,personally I do turn up, I wasn't judging why people choose not to come -that's up to them. However I will judge you if you make daft comments good luck with that then,your going to be busy Judge Rinder |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 9:31:57 GMT 1
When you have supported Town as many decades as I have then I wouldn`t be at all bothered if you chose to stay at home and do something else.Sorry but the get lost attitude smacks of rudeness. BTW I seem to remember,correct me if I am wrong but you didn`t attend a couple of recent games? So you must have found other things to do ? Yep - missed the Middlesbrough and Birmingham games - abroad - although to be fair I probably wouldn't have gone to Birmingham. Does five and a half decades qualify? OK I give up. Please continue to tell everyone on the board how they are wasting their time watching Town and should be watching television instead, and I'll keep my annoyance to myself. Deal? So we are both a couple of " old timers"  just for the record before we close this thread.I have NEVER said that anyone is wasting their time watching Town!!!.and would be better staying home watching T.V.I just said that on this occasion it was more palatable for this individual to do so. Anyway that's an end to it Hope you ,I and Town have a cracking good Christmas.x |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 11:14:35 GMT 1
Attending football games is a habit. The pay on the gate costs are so high that people have found other things to do. A tenner in is great, but many now have other commitments. Season tickets dictate the floor for attendances and it's important for Town to know this. I wonder what the usual increase in attendance is when Town do the tenner deal. "The area doesn't want a Championship football club" is nonsense. It does, it just doesn't have the numbers to back up the financial output required to play as equals. Paul Clement mentioned this week that it was amazing that Derby were averaging 30k as it meant that 1 in 10 were attending the Rams' games. We aren't far off 1 in 10 either (146k in Hudds in 2001. Derby too will have attendees from further afield too as we do from Hecky etc). As for wider area Hudds has 450K, Derby 1.5M according to the same consensus, still proportionally similar. Derby are STILL benefiting from the glory days they had in the early 70s where ( similar to Leeds, although Leeds had a longer time at the top and in and out of Europe back into the 60s) they gained a lot of support. Turn up at a Derby game nowadays, and theres 10+ coaches bringing HOME fans to the game, from all parts of the country (and Wales). Obviously Town have fans dotted all over the place too, but not with the density that the big teams from the 70s and 80s have retained...there aren't a couple of coaches driving in to Hudds from Goole every other week. So, that we get relatively comparable crowds, despite being pretty rubbish for 40+ years, and our glory days being more or less three or even four generations ago, is something that should be a CELEBRATED, rather than rollout the "we don't want/deserve Championship football" whinges. We get the crowds that any sane person would EXPECT. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 13:21:07 GMT 1
Attending football games is a habit. The pay on the gate costs are so high that people have found other things to do. A tenner in is great, but many now have other commitments. Season tickets dictate the floor for attendances and it's important for Town to know this. I wonder what the usual increase in attendance is when Town do the tenner deal. "The area doesn't want a Championship football club" is nonsense. It does, it just doesn't have the numbers to back up the financial output required to play as equals. Paul Clement mentioned this week that it was amazing that Derby were averaging 30k as it meant that 1 in 10 were attending the Rams' games. We aren't far off 1 in 10 either (146k in Hudds in 2001. Derby too will have attendees from further afield too as we do from Hecky etc). As for wider area Hudds has 450K, Derby 1.5M according to the same consensus, still proportionally similar. Derby are STILL benefiting from the glory days they had in the early 70s where ( similar to Leeds, although Leeds had a longer time at the top and in and out of Europe back into the 60s) they gained a lot of support. Turn up at a Derby game nowadays, and theres 10+ coaches bringing HOME fans to the game, from all parts of the country (and Wales). Obviously Town have fans dotted all over the place too, but not with the density that the big teams from the 70s and 80s have retained...there aren't a couple of coaches driving in to Hudds from Goole every other week. So, that we get relatively comparable crowds, despite being pretty rubbish for 40+ years, and our glory days being more or less three or even four generations ago, is something that should be a CELEBRATED, rather than rollout the "we don't want/deserve Championship football" whinges. We get the crowds that any sane person would EXPECT. Spot on for me NT. We are doing pretty well for what we are. To expect more is irrational. Hope is a different matter. To me, we are a team that on average should be bottom half of Champ, top half of League One. Every so often we may over or under achieve. To want us to spend money we do not have on players we cannot afford is not realistic, and put us in a lot of trouble last time we tried it. Town are doing the best they can trying to target young fans around 8yo but due to regional competition and population our potential is limited. Is there any other Town with a similar population doing better than us for attendences? (Ruling out the glory clubs) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 14:52:01 GMT 1
Derby are STILL benefiting from the glory days they had in the early 70s where ( similar to Leeds, although Leeds had a longer time at the top and in and out of Europe back into the 60s) they gained a lot of support. Turn up at a Derby game nowadays, and theres 10+ coaches bringing HOME fans to the game, from all parts of the country (and Wales). Obviously Town have fans dotted all over the place too, but not with the density that the big teams from the 70s and 80s have retained...there aren't a couple of coaches driving in to Hudds from Goole every other week. So, that we get relatively comparable crowds, despite being pretty rubbish for 40+ years, and our glory days being more or less three or even four generations ago, is something that should be a CELEBRATED, rather than rollout the "we don't want/deserve Championship football" whinges. We get the crowds that any sane person would EXPECT. Spot on for me NT. We are doing pretty well for what we are. To expect more is irrational. Hope is a different matter. To me, we are a team that on average should be bottom half of Champ, top half of League One. Every so often we may over or under achieve. To want us to spend money we do not have on players we cannot afford is not realistic, and put us in a lot of trouble last time we tried it. Town are doing the best they can trying to target young fans around 8yo but due to regional competition and population our potential is limited. Is there any other Town with a similar population doing better than us for attendences? (Ruling out the glory clubs) To answer your closing question, I don't think there is. Might be wrong but I think only Brentford and Preston above us have not had Premier League football, and we're regularly pulling in 3000+ more than they are (and Preston were for a long time my barometer of where Town could hope to get to, whilst they were in the Championship and we weren't). There's probably only Bristol City in the entirety of football who we could look at and go, "why can't we get crowds as big as them"...given the population probably broadly similar once you factor in that theres is split between two teams...but there again, they don't have the enforced sporting boundaries that having Oldham, Rochdale, Barnsley, Bradford, Leeds and Halifax within 20 miles creates. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 18:26:34 GMT 1
Attending football games is a habit. The pay on the gate costs are so high that people have found other things to do. A tenner in is great, but many now have other commitments. Season tickets dictate the floor for attendances and it's important for Town to know this. I wonder what the usual increase in attendance is when Town do the tenner deal. "The area doesn't want a Championship football club" is nonsense. It does, it just doesn't have the numbers to back up the financial output required to play as equals. Paul Clement mentioned this week that it was amazing that Derby were averaging 30k as it meant that 1 in 10 were attending the Rams' games. We aren't far off 1 in 10 either (146k in Hudds in 2001. Derby too will have attendees from further afield too as we do from Hecky etc). As for wider area Hudds has 450K, Derby 1.5M according to the same consensus, still proportionally similar. Derby are STILL benefiting from the glory days they had in the early 70s where ( similar to Leeds, although Leeds had a longer time at the top and in and out of Europe back into the 60s) they gained a lot of support. Turn up at a Derby game nowadays, and theres 10+ coaches bringing HOME fans to the game, from all parts of the country (and Wales). Obviously Town have fans dotted all over the place too, but not with the density that the big teams from the 70s and 80s have retained...there aren't a couple of coaches driving in to Hudds from Goole every other week. So, that we get relatively comparable crowds, despite being pretty rubbish for 40+ years, and our glory days being more or less three or even four generations ago, is something that should be a CELEBRATED, rather than rollout the "we don't want/deserve Championship football" whinges. We get the crowds that any sane person would EXPECT. Some good points I agree with. Leeds and Derby successful periods on the pitch coincided with the start of regular tv football coverage. Leeds especially are a "national" club, insofar as Ill bet, for example, in Somerset I would wager there are more people associating themselves with our neighbours than Yeovil. It is partly the reason why Leeds have, by far, the best away support outside the premier league. Towns crowds aren't good but they have held up over years and years of under achievement. The trouble seems to be we get the same(ish) numbers no matter what division we are in. |
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Post by Pressing Appointment on Dec 18, 2015 18:58:00 GMT 1
Cant understand why people are so obsessed with what others do? Keep your nose out of others business and enjoy the football, Luther ,the cinema or however you spend your money/time.
As far as we go with attendances, we have the fans we have.
Like previous have said if we charged nothing I'd bet we wouldn't get a full house.
Some people don't realise we are in the 21st century with a lot more things to do on a Saturday afternoon than back in the old days.
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Post by nshackle on Dec 18, 2015 19:10:30 GMT 1
Derby are STILL benefiting from the glory days they had in the early 70s where ( similar to Leeds, although Leeds had a longer time at the top and in and out of Europe back into the 60s) they gained a lot of support. Turn up at a Derby game nowadays, and theres 10+ coaches bringing HOME fans to the game, from all parts of the country (and Wales). Obviously Town have fans dotted all over the place too, but not with the density that the big teams from the 70s and 80s have retained...there aren't a couple of coaches driving in to Hudds from Goole every other week. So, that we get relatively comparable crowds, despite being pretty rubbish for 40+ years, and our glory days being more or less three or even four generations ago, is something that should be a CELEBRATED, rather than rollout the "we don't want/deserve Championship football" whinges. We get the crowds that any sane person would EXPECT. Some good points I agree with. Leeds and Derby successful periods on the pitch coincided with the start of regular tv football coverage. Leeds especially are a "national" club, insofar as Ill bet, for example, in Somerset I would wager there are more people associating themselves with our neighbours than Yeovil. It is partly the reason why Leeds have, by far, the best away support outside the premier league. Towns crowds aren't good but they have held up over years and years of under achievement. The trouble seems to be we get the same(ish) numbers no matter what division we are in. Some good points made here. For me the barometer for Town are the old-mill town clubs, such as Preston, Bolton, Blackburn & Burnley. We should be pulling in comparable gates to these clubs. It was interesting to see that despite beig in recent good form, Preston only pulled in 10,500 for the game against Birmingham midweek. The key to winning new support seems to lie with securing Premier League football, which with the exception of Preston all of the above have achieved. When these clubs have been relegated they have held on to a core of this new support. Town seem to have a solid core of around 10,000, with around 4000 floaters. Once we hit 14,000 and we have to be in good form, it seems to be a struggle to pull in much more than this in terms of home support. We are also fortunate that we are also able to pull in a solid core from surrounding towns such as Dewsbury and Brighouse, without these fans the gates really would be poor. Size of town and size of club seem to be two different things. Towns such as Northampton and Swindon are a touch larger than Huddersfield, yet both clubs would kill for gates our size, whereas Ipswich and Watford are much smaller towns but with a bigger catchment areas (and less density of clubs). They would consider a 12-13,000 gate to be poor. Even Cardiff have had some gates around the 12,000 mark this season despite being in the Premier League only a couple of seasons ago. This actually makes our attendances look quite good in comparison, given the size of that city. For me we don't do too badly, but I would like to see a few more even if only 1000-2000 extra through the gate. It does make a difference. |
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Post by trailingleg on Dec 18, 2015 20:32:52 GMT 1
Yep - missed the Middlesbrough and Birmingham games - abroad - although to be fair I probably wouldn't have gone to Birmingham. Does five and a half decades qualify? OK I give up. Please continue to tell everyone on the board how they are wasting their time watching Town and should be watching television instead, and I'll keep my annoyance to myself. Deal? So we are both a couple of " old timers" just for the record before we close this thread.I have NEVER said that anyone is wasting their time watching Town!!!.and would be better staying home watching T.V.I just said that on this occasion it was more palatable for this individual to do so. Anyway that's an end to it Hope you ,I and Town have a cracking good Christmas Yes, I wish you and all Town fans who may read this, a very Happy 9 point Christmas, and wish you all well for a Happy (and prosperous) New Year. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Dec 20, 2015 18:29:25 GMT 1
The season before Bruce took charge of us, Bradford won automatic promotion to the Prem with pretty much identical attendances to ours in 99/00. It's this theory that Huddersfield is somehow different to other areas that just doesn't stack up to me. I don't get it and nothing I see suggests we're in any way less (or more) supportive than other areas/teams. I think people are looking at teams AFTER having achieved success and getting higher attendances than ours and asking why we aren't... and it's because we haven't achieved the same as those others with genuine promotion challenges from this division, IMO. Except the year your refer to (98/99), the Kop was being rebuilt at Valley Parade - subsequently, the capacity was reduced significantly. A lot of the games were sell outs! |
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 20, 2015 18:34:51 GMT 1
I think the crowds are great considering the torment we go through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 18:42:46 GMT 1
In relation to offers and what not, wouldn't the PNE game be better to be £20 in rather than to have two £10 offers on the bounce?
Boxing Day home game, family back home for xmas who may rarely go to watch Town...
Perhaps a missed opportunity.
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Post by detox on Dec 20, 2015 19:12:34 GMT 1
Boxing day on a saturday...at home ..when was the last time that happened..?
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Post by Macduff on Dec 20, 2015 20:15:02 GMT 1
In "the old days" there could be 2 games in 2 days at Christmas.
1966 26/12 Hull (a) lost 2-0 (35k), 27/12 Hull (h) won 1-0 (32k). Went to both as a 14 year old.
Some interesting points as crowds are a current topic. At the end of that season as we faded ( finishing 6th) our final home game attracted less than 4k, confirming that there is an element of fickleness about Towns home support.
The next season also had Hull (h) Boxing Day and away 30/12 but the crowds nearly half the previous seasons given our middling performances.
Those Hull games always had a cracking atmosphere, especially in 66.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 20:15:37 GMT 1
Boxing day on a saturday...at home ..when was the last time that happened..? I think the last time it happened was the 1987 / 1988 season, at home to Stoke City. |
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just for the record before we close this thread.I have NEVER said that anyone is wasting their time watching Town!!!.and would be better staying home watching T.V.I just said that on this occasion it was more palatable for this individual to do so.
