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Post by blackley on Sept 22, 2017 9:44:17 GMT 1
Any plans to replace Weaver, do you reckon? To concentrate on the new plan to develop the 16 plus groups, to bring in new talent and get others out on loan? No signs of any enthusiasm from the club. So far, only drift.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 22, 2017 9:50:20 GMT 1
I'm sorry to say this but in one swipe of a pen Dean has taken us from "plucky Huddersfield " that defied the odds to nasty Huddersfield that took away the kids dreams. We all love dean god bless him, unusually for him he seems to have misjudged this one. Whatever you think about the decision the end result is sky , the Mail and other news outlets have turned on the club. It's not over yet , a few pictures of little johny throwing their academy kit away , teary eyed to come I'm sure. Ok financially it may not be the best investment but I think it's cost us way more than that in negative press a lot more . Get ove it, Wagner and Deano wanted this. Wagner isn't fussed either way he had nothing to do with the academy
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Post by TTCMatt on Sept 22, 2017 9:59:44 GMT 1
Aside from u9s it's actually not. To my knowledge the club have only lost 1 registered player that they bust a gut to keep. What doesn't get reported is the other kids that have turned down the chance to go to other clubs to stay at Hudds. Jordan Williams for one. Those players you mentioned. If they're as good as them then the compensation figure goes up towards 1.5m. Hardly peanuts. 1.5m when theyve made 100 prem appearances yes! How many do that? The ones i quote above are the more famous names i could think of off the top of my head. Town will continue to have representation at thd older age groups....its the really young lads where we wont. Whats the point when for a few thousand they can be bought and then discarded as many are by the big clubs every year. Its a flawed system which isnt working and more clubs will follow towns lead on this unless the whole thing is restructured properly and ALL clubs are encouraged to promote local talent.....this wont happen though because thge EPL is a global brand now and rightly in their opinion has no concern for wider football welfare. Ok, The EPPP (which I'm with you on and don't agree with in it's entirety) operates somewhat of a champagne waterfall system (seems a fitting analogy for the EPL). The idea is that all kids released from Cat 1 clubs are then set up with Cat 2 clubs, if that fails Cat 3, then Cat 4. The idea is that the talent goes down the chain and is given opportunities at a lower category. Town have signed a lot of kids from 9-16 from Man City and Man Utd - FAR more than they've signed from us. Going the other way, if say Man City sign one of our u9's, yes it's 3k. But it's 3k every year til he's u12 and from u12 as a cat 2 club I believe it is 30k pa. So even if Man City signed a lad at u9 and released him at 16 it's still coming up to a 200k compensation transfer, then if he gets released you pretty much have the first option to resign him. That's 200k for nothing and a player that's had 7 years better footballing education than you could give him. Of course that's one of many scenarios, which is fine in theory, but these are still children and what I don't like is that mentally it can be soul destroying for them. They are just kids when all is said and done. As i've said early on in this thread. Cat 1 academies are set up for clubs that don't need them and don't intend to use them. It IS a flawed system, but if you use it properly you can make it work in your own way. The problem is every football club in this country lives week to week, you live and die by 3 points every Saturday. Are managers going to allow a 'bedding in' period of 6 months to a young player if they have more reliable alternatives? Not a chance - it's seen that playing kids is a risk that could get you the sack. That's the main problem across the board for me - the whole culture is not set up for youth players. Due to that you're right, more will close, but nothing will change because the money men now have the monopoly and the power.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 10:03:15 GMT 1
Does the academy cost Huddersfield Town £1.2m a year to run? Yes. Does the academy cost Huddersfield Town £1.2m a year? No. These are facts. Although your head is so far up Hoyle's arse you probably can't see it. Costs to run it is a secondary issue. I hate to state the blindingly obvious, but you have to focus on the purpose of the academy first. I.E. What first team players has it provided from the cancelled up to 16 age groups as first team players? Then what is the value of those players? Then what was the cost? Answers: 1) fuck all. 2) fuck all. 3) shit loads. The precise sums are immaterial under such circumstances. End of arguments! Unless you personally want to pay for it? (As in up our contributions to majority paid by supporters, then if you contributed your opinion would be valid) It's not a secondary issue at all. People keep using the costs of the academy as a stick to batter it with. The fact of the matter is since EPPP was introduced - Huddersfield Town have sold two academy graduates that came through the age groups for in excess of £3million pounds. The true cost of the academy to the football club is also not the aforementioned £1.2million (23k a week), with EPPP payments and the other sources of income it is probably the same as paying the wage for an average Championship footballer a week. Secondly, if you want to focus on the players it has provided then you have to give it chance to flourish. EPPP, as much as I personally dislike it due to the power it gives the bigger PL clubs, has only been in 5 years. Meaning that a player signed at 10 is only 15. Other elements such as reputation of football club, scouting network, coaching structures have also got to be taken into account. Remember it's only 8 years since Lee Clark openly criticised our lack of scouting network and structures when he arrived at the club. So while you may say end of argument, whilst failing to realise that player development takes time, many others who understand the situation better than you and don't take Dean Hoyle's word as gospel will continue to make the relevant points.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2017 10:41:31 GMT 1
1.5m when theyve made 100 prem appearances yes! How many do that? The ones i quote above are the more famous names i could think of off the top of my head. Town will continue to have representation at thd older age groups....its the really young lads where we wont. Whats the point when for a few thousand they can be bought and then discarded as many are by the big clubs every year. Its a flawed system which isnt working and more clubs will follow towns lead on this unless the whole thing is restructured properly and ALL clubs are encouraged to promote local talent.....this wont happen though because thge EPL is a global brand now and rightly in their opinion has no concern for wider football welfare. Ok, The EPPP (which I'm with you on and don't agree with in it's entirety) operates somewhat of a champagne waterfall system (seems a fitting analogy for the EPL). The idea is that all kids released from Cat 1 clubs are then set up with Cat 2 clubs, if that fails Cat 3, then Cat 4. The idea is that the talent goes down the chain and is given opportunities at a lower category. Town have signed a lot of kids from 9-16 from Man City and Man Utd - FAR more than they've signed from us. Going the other way, if say Man City sign one of our u9's, yes it's 3k. But it's 3k every year til he's u12 and from u12 as a cat 2 club I believe it is 30k pa. So even if Man City signed a lad at u9 and released him at 16 it's still coming up to a 200k compensation transfer, then if he gets released you pretty much have the first option to resign him. That's 200k for nothing and a player that's had 7 years better footballing education than you could give him. Of course that's one of many scenarios, which is fine in theory, but these are still children and what I don't like is that mentally it can be soul destroying for them. They are just kids when all is said and done. As i've said early on in this thread. Cat 1 academies are set up for clubs that don't need them and don't intend to use them. It IS a flawed system, but if you use it properly you can make it work in your own way. The problem is every football club in this country lives week to week, you live and die by 3 points every Saturday. Are managers going to allow a 'bedding in' period of 6 months to a young player if they have more reliable alternatives? Not a chance - it's seen that playing kids is a risk that could get you the sack. That's the main problem across the board for me - the whole culture is not set up for youth players. Due to that you're right, more will close, but nothing will change because the money men now have the monopoly and the power. I cant disagree with part of what you say...........but we are and want to remain a premier league side. As such, we need to get high quality youngsters through to fill our first team.....or buy expensively in the UK ....or buy cheaply from abroad using our increasing networks and scouting systems. Our academy hasn't produced 1 premier league player of note during the last 15 years - stead briefly - yes, but nothing much else and its getting harder as the huge clubs now operate a factory farm environment and we feed off the scraps. As such I don't think anyone should bemoan Dean trying an alternative model. If other clubs were bucking the trend and really thriving academy wise then I would say give it more time, but in reality there are few which outperform exception - Southampton apart.
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Post by griffa on Sept 22, 2017 11:01:02 GMT 1
Costs to run it is a secondary issue. I hate to state the blindingly obvious, but you have to focus on the purpose of the academy first. I.E. What first team players has it provided from the cancelled up to 16 age groups as first team players? Then what is the value of those players? Then what was the cost? Answers: 1) fuck all. 2) fuck all. 3) shit loads. The precise sums are immaterial under such circumstances. End of arguments! Unless you personally want to pay for it? (As in up our contributions to majority paid by supporters, then if you contributed your opinion would be valid) It's not a secondary issue at all. People keep using the costs of the academy as a stick to batter it with. The fact of the matter is since EPPP was introduced - Huddersfield Town have sold two academy graduates that came through the age groups for in excess of £3million pounds. The true cost of the academy to the football club is also not the aforementioned £1.2million (23k a week), with EPPP payments and the other sources of income it is probably the same as paying the wage for an average Championship footballer a week. Secondly, if you want to focus on the players it has provided then you have to give it chance to flourish. EPPP, as much as I personally dislike it due to the power it gives the bigger PL clubs, has only been in 5 years. Meaning that a player signed at 10 is only 15. Other elements such as reputation of football club, scouting network, coaching structures have also got to be taken into account. Remember it's only 8 years since Lee Clark openly criticised our lack of scouting network and structures when he arrived at the club. So while you may say end of argument, whilst failing to realise that player development takes time, many others who understand the situation better than you and don't take Dean Hoyle's word as gospel will continue to make the relevant points. bbrez, you've nailed it for me, agree with pretty much all of the points you make. Don't see Dean changing his decision, it's far too late. Something must have happened recently, to have persuaded him to scrap the Cat 2 Status, the points raised in the RL interview, are plausible, but debatable! Pulling the plug in September, appears to be 'very random,' as we know Dean's decision wasn't made to save money, all a little weird at this stage of the season. Our democratic tradition in the UK, encourages everybody 'to have an opinion,' many support Dean, as they believe 'he walks on water.' Many years ago, we sold Marcus Stewart, most Town fans disagreed with that decision, various theories were put forward, but the sale of Marcus, is still debated, the merits of scrapping our Cat 2 Status, will be discussed for years to come, it's extremely sad, but we need to move on, it's a done deal - UTT.
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Post by TTCMatt on Sept 22, 2017 11:47:29 GMT 1
Ok, The EPPP (which I'm with you on and don't agree with in it's entirety) operates somewhat of a champagne waterfall system (seems a fitting analogy for the EPL). The idea is that all kids released from Cat 1 clubs are then set up with Cat 2 clubs, if that fails Cat 3, then Cat 4. The idea is that the talent goes down the chain and is given opportunities at a lower category. Town have signed a lot of kids from 9-16 from Man City and Man Utd - FAR more than they've signed from us. Going the other way, if say Man City sign one of our u9's, yes it's 3k. But it's 3k every year til he's u12 and from u12 as a cat 2 club I believe it is 30k pa. So even if Man City signed a lad at u9 and released him at 16 it's still coming up to a 200k compensation transfer, then if he gets released you pretty much have the first option to resign him. That's 200k for nothing and a player that's had 7 years better footballing education than you could give him. Of course that's one of many scenarios, which is fine in theory, but these are still children and what I don't like is that mentally it can be soul destroying for them. They are just kids when all is said and done. As i've said early on in this thread. Cat 1 academies are set up for clubs that don't need them and don't intend to use them. It IS a flawed system, but if you use it properly you can make it work in your own way. The problem is every football club in this country lives week to week, you live and die by 3 points every Saturday. Are managers going to allow a 'bedding in' period of 6 months to a young player if they have more reliable alternatives? Not a chance - it's seen that playing kids is a risk that could get you the sack. That's the main problem across the board for me - the whole culture is not set up for youth players. Due to that you're right, more will close, but nothing will change because the money men now have the monopoly and the power. I cant disagree with part of what you say...........but we are and want to remain a premier league side. As such, we need to get high quality youngsters through to fill our first team.....or buy expensively in the UK ....or buy cheaply from abroad using our increasing networks and scouting systems. Our academy hasn't produced 1 premier league player of note during the last 15 years - stead briefly - yes, but nothing much else and its getting harder as the huge clubs now operate a factory farm environment and we feed off the scraps. As such I don't think anyone should bemoan Dean trying an alternative model. If other clubs were bucking the trend and really thriving academy wise then I would say give it more time, but in reality there are few which outperform exception - Southampton apart. If he outlines what our model is with good joined up thinking then I'll always give Dean the benefit of the doubt, he's not done such a bad job so far has he? The points people are trying to make is that to give the EPPP a proper go you have to give it its full cycle to prove if it works or not - this is 10-15 years, but sadly no one has that patience. The thing I don't agree with (but am happy to be proved wrong later) is the Cat 4 status. These types of players/castoffs that are mentioned aren't going to give up playing for your Man City's, Man Utd's etc at 18 to take part in a games programme against Grimsby, Scarborough, Crawley and Fleetwood (unless handsomely compensated!). That games programme also takes away the flexibility that Brentford have with the camps and foreign opposition. For me it's either do it properly or not at all. Cat 4 is neither, and those cat 1 players are offered to cat 2's first, then 3 and finally 4. We've essentially just lowered ourselves to the bottom of the drip feed/food chain - If we have a different plan, then I'm all ears.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2017 12:31:55 GMT 1
I cant disagree with part of what you say...........but we are and want to remain a premier league side. As such, we need to get high quality youngsters through to fill our first team.....or buy expensively in the UK ....or buy cheaply from abroad using our increasing networks and scouting systems. Our academy hasn't produced 1 premier league player of note during the last 15 years - stead briefly - yes, but nothing much else and its getting harder as the huge clubs now operate a factory farm environment and we feed off the scraps. As such I don't think anyone should bemoan Dean trying an alternative model. If other clubs were bucking the trend and really thriving academy wise then I would say give it more time, but in reality there are few which outperform exception - Southampton apart. If he outlines what our model is with good joined up thinking then I'll always give Dean the benefit of the doubt, he's not done such a bad job so far has he? The points people are trying to make is that to give the EPPP a proper go you have to give it its full cycle to prove if it works or not - this is 10-15 years, but sadly no one has that patience. The thing I don't agree with (but am happy to be proved wrong later) is the Cat 4 status. These types of players/castoffs that are mentioned aren't going to give up playing for your Man City's, Man Utd's etc at 18 to take part in a games programme against Grimsby, Scarborough, Crawley and Fleetwood (unless handsomely compensated!). That games programme also takes away the flexibility that Brentford have with the camps and foreign opposition. For me it's either do it properly or not at all. Cat 4 is neither, and those cat 1 players are offered to cat 2's first, then 3 and finally 4. We've essentially just lowered ourselves to the bottom of the drip feed/food chain - If we have a different plan, then I'm all ears. I understand your point its well articulated, particularly the aspect re games programmes against lower opposition. A guy I know who has inside knowledge on these things has told me for a while the big clubs want an academy league for premier clubs only and for all premier clubs to have to have a minimum academy status - cat 1! Clearly we know this wont work as the pyramid stands, but I'm pretty sure the big boys would happily lose Bournemouth, Swansea, town, brighton, burnley and replace them with Villa, Leeds, Sunderland, Derby, Boro and then pull up the drawbridge and give those clubs x amount of time to exercise an academy upgrade! I think that was the Gartside blueprint before Bolton dropped like a stone wasn't it - a removal of relegation to allow teams to invest for the long term!
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Post by artysid on Sept 22, 2017 12:53:03 GMT 1
A slightly separate issue, but I often wonder if taking 1,000's of kids and filling their heads with dreams of being a football star, when we all know that less than 1 or 2 will ever make it. has a detrimental effect on other aspects of their education?
Maybe there should be a restriction on how many kids under 16 each academy should have?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:54:28 GMT 1
I cant disagree with part of what you say...........but we are and want to remain a premier league side. As such, we need to get high quality youngsters through to fill our first team.....or buy expensively in the UK ....or buy cheaply from abroad using our increasing networks and scouting systems. Our academy hasn't produced 1 premier league player of note during the last 15 years - stead briefly - yes, but nothing much else and its getting harder as the huge clubs now operate a factory farm environment and we feed off the scraps. As such I don't think anyone should bemoan Dean trying an alternative model. If other clubs were bucking the trend and really thriving academy wise then I would say give it more time, but in reality there are few which outperform exception - Southampton apart. If he outlines what our model is with good joined up thinking then I'll always give Dean the benefit of the doubt, he's not done such a bad job so far has he? The points people are trying to make is that to give the EPPP a proper go you have to give it its full cycle to prove if it works or not - this is 10-15 years, but sadly no one has that patience. The thing I don't agree with (but am happy to be proved wrong later) is the Cat 4 status. These types of players/castoffs that are mentioned aren't going to give up playing for your Man City's, Man Utd's etc at 18 to take part in a games programme against Grimsby, Scarborough, Crawley and Fleetwood (unless handsomely compensated!). That games programme also takes away the flexibility that Brentford have with the camps and foreign opposition. For me it's either do it properly or not at all. Cat 4 is neither, and those cat 1 players are offered to cat 2's first, then 3 and finally 4. We've essentially just lowered ourselves to the bottom of the drip feed/food chain - If we have a different plan, then I'm all ears. You're either in or out of the Category system, like Brentford. This appears to be an awful compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:58:13 GMT 1
A slightly separate issue, but I often wonder if taking 1,000's of kids and filling their heads with dreams of being a football star, when we all know that less than 1 or 2 will ever make it. has a detrimental effect on other aspects of their education? Maybe there should be a restriction on how many kids under 16 each academy should have? In an ideal world the FA would control the PL purse strings. They would set up regional academies with focus on kids enjoying their football at the grassroots level with the best kids being taken to represent geographical areas - A bit like cricket do now. Clubs then wouldn't be able to sign them until they were well into their teens. Meaning that, most importantly, they enjoy football and have an education behind them.
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Post by dm on Sept 22, 2017 12:59:01 GMT 1
My take on the academy situation (as somebody with no ties to the academy other than supporting the club) is that it is very disappointing that Town won't have an academy to bring through homegrown players. But at the same time, the disappointment has been present for quite a while; there hasn't been a bunch of players with the quality to succeed at the level we are at. Nor has there been a stream of 1 every year or every other year.
Billing is the only player to go from Town's under 18/23s to play in the Premier League since Jon Stead did it a decade ago. And even then Billing was bought in at 16. There haven't been that many that are even good enough at Championship level either.
Saying the likes of Schofield, Williams and 1 or 2 of the younger players (that are now be free to join whoever) could potentially make it in the Premier League probably doesn't carry much weight either - they may ultimately fall the way others have done - excellent in youth football but no more than that. Hopefully that won't be the case. That being said, the point I'm making is that there hasn't been enough evidence for Dean and the board to not be vindicated in their opinion that EPPP has ruined Town's (and other) academies.
That is probably what a lot of this comes down to - there is a track record of the academy failing to produce high enough quality often enough. Its disappointing but football development seems a cut throat process.
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Post by drfootball on Sept 22, 2017 17:28:12 GMT 1
I refer my right honourable friend to the answer I gave a few moments ago If I see any of the 15 full time or the 30 part time staff that have lost their jobs not to mention any of the 150 children or their parents that have lost their dreams I'll be sure to pass on your sympathetic comments Of course these people are going to be feeling disappointed, hurt, angry and (particularly the staff) worried about the future. So yes I have some sympathy for them, but the better ones will move on, most wouldn't have made it anyway, some may be picked up by Town when they're older. But the feelings of people has never been a factors in deciding whether to restructure in other sectors, why should football be different? You need to present sound business arguments to back up your views not emotive appeals Not everything in life revolves around a sound business argument , feelings and emotions are the things that make us what we are but .......... if it's purely financial reasons I'll give you 2. With the blue and white and pedal for pounds covering the majority of the costs of the academy the actual cost to the club was 5k a week , that's 250k a year. If we sold Billing ( an academy product ) for a conservative 10 million then the cost for running the academy at its present cost would be covered for 40 years .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 17:36:18 GMT 1
Of course these people are going to be feeling disappointed, hurt, angry and (particularly the staff) worried about the future. So yes I have some sympathy for them, but the better ones will move on, most wouldn't have made it anyway, some may be picked up by Town when they're older. But the feelings of people has never been a factors in deciding whether to restructure in other sectors, why should football be different? You need to present sound business arguments to back up your views not emotive appeals Not everything in life revolves around a sound business argument , feelings and emotions are the things that make us what we are but .......... if it's purely financial reasons I'll give you 2. With the blue and white and pedal for pounds covering the majority of the costs of the academy the actual cost to the club was 5k a week , that's 250k a year. If we sold Billing ( an academy product ) for a conservative 10 million then the cost for running the academy at its present cost would be covered for 40 years . How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 22, 2017 18:15:55 GMT 1
Not everything in life revolves around a sound business argument , feelings and emotions are the things that make us what we are but .......... if it's purely financial reasons I'll give you 2. With the blue and white and pedal for pounds covering the majority of the costs of the academy the actual cost to the club was 5k a week , that's 250k a year. If we sold Billing ( an academy product ) for a conservative 10 million then the cost for running the academy at its present cost would be covered for 40 years . How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday. Exactly lol, fantasy island.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 22, 2017 18:18:55 GMT 1
Not everything in life revolves around a sound business argument , feelings and emotions are the things that make us what we are but .......... if it's purely financial reasons I'll give you 2. With the blue and white and pedal for pounds covering the majority of the costs of the academy the actual cost to the club was 5k a week , that's 250k a year. If we sold Billing ( an academy product ) for a conservative 10 million then the cost for running the academy at its present cost would be covered for 40 years . How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday. Words from Mr Hoyle around three seasons ago ie buy cheap develope, and sell on at a profit. Billing has turned out to be a vital asset to the success of the first team so not for sale
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Post by drfootball on Sept 22, 2017 18:22:31 GMT 1
Not everything in life revolves around a sound business argument , feelings and emotions are the things that make us what we are but .......... if it's purely financial reasons I'll give you 2. With the blue and white and pedal for pounds covering the majority of the costs of the academy the actual cost to the club was 5k a week , that's 250k a year. If we sold Billing ( an academy product ) for a conservative 10 million then the cost for running the academy at its present cost would be covered for 40 years . How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday. I guess because he was signed to the ACADEMY obviously not good enough (at that stage) to play 1st team or he would have been placed in 1st team. He needed to be nurtured and coached by ACADEMY coaches , before going on to play 16 times for the ACADEMY .After a year of input and ACADEMY training was he deemed good enough to play 1st team football ? Any other questions?
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Post by drfootball on Sept 22, 2017 18:27:41 GMT 1
How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday. Exactly lol, fantasy island. I like Dean (a god of a man ) truely I do but some on there think he can do no wrong , if he was to come to your house and shit on your table some on here would be tugging themselves into a frenzy. I guess he's the boss and makes the decisions but doesn't mean they are all right.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 22, 2017 18:34:02 GMT 1
Exactly lol, fantasy island. I like Dean (a god of a man ) truely I do but some on there think he can do no wrong , if he was to come to your house and shit on your table some on here would be tugging themselves into a frenzy. I guess he's the boss and makes the decisions but doesn't mean they are all right. Strange comment, He's done the right thing and Billing came from abroad not our accademy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 19:04:13 GMT 1
How on earth can you call Billing an Academy product? We signed him just short of his 17th birthday. I guess because he was signed to the ACADEMY obviously not good enough (at that stage) to play 1st team or he would have been placed in 1st team. He needed to be nurtured and coached by ACADEMY coaches , before going on to play 16 times for the ACADEMY .After a year of input and ACADEMY training was he deemed good enough to play 1st team football ? Any other questions? Dress it up however you want he was NOT produced by our Academy. Old enough to play U18 football which he would still be brought in to play today.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 22, 2017 19:18:38 GMT 1
I guess because he was signed to the ACADEMY obviously not good enough (at that stage) to play 1st team or he would have been placed in 1st team. He needed to be nurtured and coached by ACADEMY coaches , before going on to play 16 times for the ACADEMY .After a year of input and ACADEMY training was he deemed good enough to play 1st team football ? Any other questions? Dress it up however you want he was NOT produced by our Academy. Old enough to play U18 football which he would still be brought in to play today. .....and in that respect he is not far removed from the signing of Sabiri and Flo. Surely that is our new way forward with the financial resources the Premier League provides. Got to think outside the West Riding box.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 19:19:32 GMT 1
Dress it up however you want he was NOT produced by our Academy. Old enough to play U18 football which he would still be brought in to play today. .....and in that respect he is not far removed from the signing of Sabiri and Flo. Surely that is our new way forward with the financial resources the Premier League provides. Got to think outside the West Riding box. Exactly.
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Post by cat2to4 on Sept 23, 2017 7:40:31 GMT 1
Any plans to replace Weaver, do you reckon? To concentrate on the new plan to develop the 16 plus groups, to bring in new talent and get others out on loan? No signs of any enthusiasm from the club. So far, only drift. The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 23, 2017 8:13:55 GMT 1
Rather than pulling the plug, perhaps we should have invested in better coaches or a better set up? The fact a lot of these players are now being snapped up by established premier league clubs shows that it may not be down to a lack of talent but a lack of decent coaching.
I agree that it hasn't produced what it should have but now we finally have the money to shape our own future without relying on a benefactor it seems bizarre we have decided to cut it.
Chips said that he trusts Dean implicitly, I can understand why given all that he has done. That doesn't mean he is infallible or a human being who cannot make mistakes.
It's my opinion we have made one here.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 23, 2017 8:16:21 GMT 1
Any plans to replace Weaver, do you reckon? To concentrate on the new plan to develop the 16 plus groups, to bring in new talent and get others out on loan? No signs of any enthusiasm from the club. So far, only drift. The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants. Utter bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 8:18:35 GMT 1
Any plans to replace Weaver, do you reckon? To concentrate on the new plan to develop the 16 plus groups, to bring in new talent and get others out on loan? No signs of any enthusiasm from the club. So far, only drift. The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants. You clueless idiot! Anybody who does not understand why Town's Academy has been trimmed to 16+ is too stupid to be paid the minimum wage, DH would be offering a bit more than that! Any academy coach/manager who did want to work under DWs tutelage is similarly mentally challenged or that good they would be beyond Town's finalcial reach.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2017 8:18:54 GMT 1
Any plans to replace Weaver, do you reckon? To concentrate on the new plan to develop the 16 plus groups, to bring in new talent and get others out on loan? No signs of any enthusiasm from the club. So far, only drift. The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants. Lol, what rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 8:38:39 GMT 1
I'm putting out an open invitation to Dean to come and shit on my dining room table. Get tugging lads.
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Post by cat2to4 on Sept 23, 2017 9:36:54 GMT 1
The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants. You clueless idiot! Anybody who does not understand why Town's Academy has been trimmed to 16+ is too stupid to be paid the minimum wage, DH would be offering a bit more than that! Any academy coach/manager who did want to work under DWs tutelage is similarly mentally challenged or that good they would be beyond Town's finalcial reach. You really believe DW works with academy coaches, if thats the case why have Steve Weaver, Tony Carss both left and gone to championship and league 1 clubs. "No Limits" my arse, behaved in the complete opposite, given up on part of the club and showed a complete lack of ambition at the richest point in towns history.
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Post by artysid on Sept 23, 2017 9:41:06 GMT 1
The club has lost so much respect in the football world and among coaches they'll struggle to get any decent applicants. You clueless idiot! A nybody who does not understand why Town's Academy has been trimmed to 16+ is too stupid to be paid the minimum wage, DH would be offering a bit more than that! Any academy coach/manager who did want to work under DWs tutelage is similarly mentally challenged or that good they would be beyond Town's finalcial reach. I'd go as far as to say I wouldn't want any applications from Coaches that didn't understand the rational, even if they didn't totally agree. Plus would any career focused Coach seriously rather work developing 8-9 year olds than 16+ ?
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