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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 21, 2014 16:21:42 GMT 1
If the answer is to have an owner who'll just keep chucking millions at it regardless of FFP, then make Dean hoyle an offer and put your fortune on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 16:33:39 GMT 1
Not saying that the training facilities aren't important, they are, very important. My point is that some fans and the club hold it aloft as some kind trophy. There probably isn't a club in our division who doesn't have the same quality training facility. Its the norm nowadays, not the exception. Don't keep trotting it out as some kind of jewel in the crown. Bingo. What's so good about it anyway? It's a portacabin at the back and basically a gym/cafe at the front. I doubt any championship club has a facility much worse than ours anyway? The pitches are good, so they bloody well should be. Time for the board to stop bragging about how much they get for players, dicking about in the transfer market and deliver in the department 99% of the fans pay their money for....the 1st team. The way this season has panned out is entirely the fault of the board. It's no wonder the players are confused. They have had 3 managers this season. It's shambolic The club have spent a lot of money compensating for a lack of investment in infrastructure from previous regimes. I don't see them waving it about like a trophy, the commercial elements of it are marketed but surely people aren't complaining about that? Perhaps someone can link me to an article of them waving it like a trophy? There must be plenty if it keeps being trotted out. The club invest heavily in the first team. It's nine months since we paid a potential club record and we consistently make multi-million pound losses. People really have to accept that there becomes a point where we have to begin to live within our means. The board have increased revenue streams greatly, but the sheer cost of having a squad capable of competing at this level means that we're still making a loss. Fail to see how the board are to blame for us having three managers so far this season. Robins resigned unexpectedly a couple of days before we had a fixture, how do the board legislate for that?
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 21, 2014 16:39:58 GMT 1
Dean wanted to sack Robins last March. I really really don't know he didn't. 2014 has been awful on the pitch. You can't hide from that. We not even in free-fall , we are the second worst team in the championship. Fact.
I fully believe Fulham will pull away.
Town Blackpool, Bolton will go down
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 16:52:25 GMT 1
Bingo. What's so good about it anyway? It's a portacabin at the back and basically a gym/cafe at the front. I doubt any championship club has a facility much worse than ours anyway? The pitches are good, so they bloody well should be. Time for the board to stop bragging about how much they get for players, dicking about in the transfer market and deliver in the department 99% of the fans pay their money for....the 1st team. The way this season has panned out is entirely the fault of the board. It's no wonder the players are confused. They have had 3 managers this season. It's shambolic The club have spent a lot of money compensating for a lack of investment in infrastructure from previous regimes. I don't see them waving it about like a trophy, the commercial elements of it are marketed but surely people aren't complaining about that? Perhaps someone can link me to an article of them waving it like a trophy? There must be plenty if it keeps being trotted out. The club invest heavily in the first team. It's nine months since we paid a potential club record and we consistently make multi-million pound losses. People really have to accept that there becomes a point where we have to begin to live within our means. The board have increased revenue streams greatly, but the sheer cost of having a squad capable of competing at this level means that we're still making a loss. Fail to see how the board are to blame for us having three managers so far this season. Robins resigned unexpectedly a couple of days before we had a fixture, how do the board legislate for that? You must have had in the sand for the last few years if you've not heard about Canalside, someone even mentions it in this thread, Deano mentioned it in the infamous Radio Leeds interview where he criticised the fans off too. Come on lad your having us on.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 16:57:34 GMT 1
Dean wasn't forced to take over htfc..
same as I am not forced to buy a season ticket.
As owner he is entitled to run the club however he sees fit, as a season ticket holder I am entitled to comment on that management as I see fit.
We are both free men and both town fans. I will continue to buy season tickets but only for as long as I see some sort of return on my 'investment'.
It is now up to Dean to either continue his 'investment' or if he sees no return then to think seriously about his continuance. I cant afford to buy more than 5 season tickets a year, I therefore cant up my 'investment' in HTFC but he can, if he sees fit to do so.
If we continue in this form and the performances remain pretty similar there is clearly np point in us being here apart from fulfilling fixtures before relegation. That's where we are and ignoring it or denying it is pretty foolish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 16:59:34 GMT 1
The club have spent a lot of money compensating for a lack of investment in infrastructure from previous regimes. I don't see them waving it about like a trophy, the commercial elements of it are marketed but surely people aren't complaining about that? Perhaps someone can link me to an article of them waving it like a trophy? There must be plenty if it keeps being trotted out. The club invest heavily in the first team. It's nine months since we paid a potential club record and we consistently make multi-million pound losses. People really have to accept that there becomes a point where we have to begin to live within our means. The board have increased revenue streams greatly, but the sheer cost of having a squad capable of competing at this level means that we're still making a loss. Fail to see how the board are to blame for us having three managers so far this season. Robins resigned unexpectedly a couple of days before we had a fixture, how do the board legislate for that? You must have had in the sand for the last few years if you've not heard about Canalside, someone even mentions it in this thread, Deano mentioned it in the infamous Radio Leeds interview where he criticised the fans off too. Come on lad your having us on. why what did he say about fans. missed that
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Post by kindo on Sept 21, 2014 17:01:29 GMT 1
Genius that, you moan about overpaid freeloaders and then mention selling Norwood, honestly this forum has gone to shit it really has
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 17:02:26 GMT 1
You must have had in the sand for the last few years if you've not heard about Canalside, someone even mentions it in this thread, Deano mentioned it in the infamous Radio Leeds interview where he criticised the fans off too. Come on lad your having us on. why what did he say about fans. missed that He said some were negative and he didn't like it, if you have heard such a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 17:10:06 GMT 1
I'm not patronising anybody! I'm trying to explain the reasons we have purchased a training facility. Mel -- Do you live in Mirfield ?? I do as it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 17:24:48 GMT 1
The club have spent a lot of money compensating for a lack of investment in infrastructure from previous regimes. I don't see them waving it about like a trophy, the commercial elements of it are marketed but surely people aren't complaining about that? Perhaps someone can link me to an article of them waving it like a trophy? There must be plenty if it keeps being trotted out. The club invest heavily in the first team. It's nine months since we paid a potential club record and we consistently make multi-million pound losses. People really have to accept that there becomes a point where we have to begin to live within our means. The board have increased revenue streams greatly, but the sheer cost of having a squad capable of competing at this level means that we're still making a loss. Fail to see how the board are to blame for us having three managers so far this season. Robins resigned unexpectedly a couple of days before we had a fixture, how do the board legislate for that? You must have had in the sand for the last few years if you've not heard about Canalside, someone even mentions it in this thread, Deano mentioned it in the infamous Radio Leeds interview where he criticised the fans off too. Come on lad your having us on. Of course I've heard of Canalside. The club advertise the bar there regularly. Never seen one of these articles which parade it like a trophy though.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 17:42:43 GMT 1
You must have had in the sand for the last few years if you've not heard about Canalside, someone even mentions it in this thread, Deano mentioned it in the infamous Radio Leeds interview where he criticised the fans off too. Come on lad your having us on. Of course I've heard of Canalside. The club advertise the bar there regularly. Never seen one of these articles which parade it like a trophy though. I never said there was any articles on it, but it is constantly mentioned as a symbol of the clubs progress and modernity!!
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Post by York Terrier on Sept 21, 2014 18:27:38 GMT 1
Genius that, you moan about overpaid freeloaders and then mention selling Norwood, honestly this forum has gone to shit it really has And your point is?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:31:29 GMT 1
Of course I've heard of Canalside. The club advertise the bar there regularly. Never seen one of these articles which parade it like a trophy though. I never said there was any articles on it, but it is constantly mentioned as a symbol of the clubs progress and modernity!! Where are these mentions?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:15:22 GMT 1
We finished 3rd in league 1 and got promoted by a cock hair. We then proceded to sell our best player once promoted and replace him with an injury prone player and another on loan who no longer plays for us.
Fast forward 2 seasons and again we sell our best player in Clayton. It doesn't matter how much profit we made the reality is that we now have a worse team than before.
The likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Rovrum have built on their teams once promoted instead of selling their best players.
So I ask, if we were the 3rd best team in league 1 then sell our best players every season, how in the hell do this board expect us to compete at this level?,
We are fucked unless the policy changes
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 21, 2014 19:41:29 GMT 1
We finished 3rd in league 1 and got promoted by a cock hair. We then proceded to sell our best player once promoted and replace him with an injury prone player and another on loan who no longer plays for us. Fast forward a season and again we sell our best player in Clayton. It doesn't matter how much profit we made the reality is that we now have a worse team than before. The likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Rovrum have built on their teams once promoted instead of selling their best players. So I ask, if we were the 3rd best team in league 1 then sell our best players every season, how in the hell do this board expect us to compete at this level?, We are fucked unless the policy changes So what do you suggest? Rhodes got a quoted 40k a week, Clayton got a reported 20k a week, both players improved greatly as talents during their time with us. We simply cannot to pay the salary of like for like replacements. We bought both as young players with potential and improved them to a point where we couldn't afford to keep them. The policy has not changed, the reason players are sold is because in Clayton's case it is £1.5m now to fund replacements or a season from him and nothing in return. His best season in his career couldn't keep us out of a relegation battle so a repeat a) couldn't be guaranteed and b) wasn't enough alone to help us. We simply cannot afford to pay the salaries that these sort of players demand. Our losses are staggering as much as Me Hoyle wants to make us self sufficient, if he did on our current income then we wil be no better than a midtable League One outfit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:43:45 GMT 1
Personally feel that we need to bring more quality players to the club, would love to see Chris Wood brought in and Sean St. Leger given a short term deal. For the Wood deal to go through I wouldn't mind Wells being sold as long as we don't loose money on him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:45:50 GMT 1
We finished 3rd in league 1 and got promoted by a cock hair. We then proceded to sell our best player once promoted and replace him with an injury prone player and another on loan who no longer plays for us. Fast forward a season and again we sell our best player in Clayton. It doesn't matter how much profit we made the reality is that we now have a worse team than before. The likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Rovrum have built on their teams once promoted instead of selling their best players. So I ask, if we were the 3rd best team in league 1 then sell our best players every season, how in the hell do this board expect us to compete at this level?, We are fucked unless the policy changes So what do you suggest? Rhodes got a quoted 40k a week, Clayton got a reported 20k a week, both players improved greatly as talents during their time with us. We simply cannot to pay the salary of like for like replacements. We bought both as young players with potential and improved them to a point where we couldn't afford to keep them. The policy has not changed, the reason players are sold is because in Clayton's case it is £1.5m now to fund replacements or a season from him and nothing in return. His best season in his career couldn't keep us out of a relegation battle so a repeat a) couldn't be guaranteed and b) wasn't enough alone to help us. We simply cannot afford to pay the salaries that these sort of players demand. Our losses are staggering as much as Me Hoyle wants to make us self sufficient, if he did on our current income then we wil be no better than a midtable League One outfit. If we refuse to pay the salaries required to keep us in this division then prepare yourself for relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:51:52 GMT 1
So what do you suggest? Rhodes got a quoted 40k a week, Clayton got a reported 20k a week, both players improved greatly as talents during their time with us. We simply cannot to pay the salary of like for like replacements. We bought both as young players with potential and improved them to a point where we couldn't afford to keep them. The policy has not changed, the reason players are sold is because in Clayton's case it is £1.5m now to fund replacements or a season from him and nothing in return. His best season in his career couldn't keep us out of a relegation battle so a repeat a) couldn't be guaranteed and b) wasn't enough alone to help us. We simply cannot afford to pay the salaries that these sort of players demand. Our losses are staggering as much as Me Hoyle wants to make us self sufficient, if he did on our current income then we wil be no better than a midtable League One outfit. If we refuse to pay the salaries required to keep us in this division then prepare yourself for relegation. Dean could always put the season cards up by a few hundred quid apiece to help cover the losses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:55:15 GMT 1
If we refuse to pay the salaries required to keep us in this division then prepare yourself for relegation. Dean could always put the season cards up by a few hundred quid apiece to help cover the losses. There are 24 clubs in this division and we are amongst the bottom 3 in terms of wages... Speaks volumes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:59:28 GMT 1
How many of our players were more than fringe players for their previous clubs? Wells for Bradford and I think that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:00:46 GMT 1
Dean could always put the season cards up by a few hundred quid apiece to help cover the losses. There are 24 clubs in this division and we are amongst the bottom 3 in terms of wages... Speaks volumes You can't judge a clubs chances of success solely on how much they pay their players. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have been promoted from this league on shoestring budgets.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 21, 2014 20:05:20 GMT 1
So what do you suggest? Rhodes got a quoted 40k a week, Clayton got a reported 20k a week, both players improved greatly as talents during their time with us. We simply cannot to pay the salary of like for like replacements. We bought both as young players with potential and improved them to a point where we couldn't afford to keep them. The policy has not changed, the reason players are sold is because in Clayton's case it is £1.5m now to fund replacements or a season from him and nothing in return. His best season in his career couldn't keep us out of a relegation battle so a repeat a) couldn't be guaranteed and b) wasn't enough alone to help us. We simply cannot afford to pay the salaries that these sort of players demand. Our losses are staggering as much as Me Hoyle wants to make us self sufficient, if he did on our current income then we wil be no better than a midtable League One outfit. If we refuse to pay the salaries required to keep us in this division then prepare yourself for relegation. Are you saying that to stay in this division we need to pay 2 players a total of 60k a week (or over £3.1m a year). I do not think that is the case. Where do you suggest we magic up this £3.1 million from?
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Post by Larry David on Sept 21, 2014 20:05:28 GMT 1
There are 24 clubs in this division and we are amongst the bottom 3 in terms of wages... Speaks volumes You can't judge a clubs chances of success solely on how much they pay their players. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have been promoted from this league on shoestring budgets. Really? Plenty. I think perhaps 2 or 3 over 10 years. Burnley being one of them twice.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 21, 2014 20:07:33 GMT 1
There are 24 clubs in this division and we are amongst the bottom 3 in terms of wages... Speaks volumes You can't judge a clubs chances of success solely on how much they pay their players. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have been promoted from this league on shoestring budgets. Indeed! Last year, how did QPR not win the league with their budget or the much used example of Burnley finish where they did?
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 21, 2014 20:09:58 GMT 1
If we got rid of the players who never play that would allow us to get players on a slightly higher wage
Eg if two average players are on 10,000 could then bring a good player on 18.000 and still reduce the wage by 2,000 ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:10:04 GMT 1
You can't judge a clubs chances of success solely on how much they pay their players. There are plenty of examples of clubs who have been promoted from this league on shoestring budgets. Really? Plenty. I think perhaps 2 or 3 over 10 years. Burnley being one of them twice. Palace, Blackpool, Bradford, Barnsley,? I can't imagine they had massive wage budgets, when they got promoted, and there'll be more if you look further back.
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 21, 2014 20:12:32 GMT 1
Should ask the ST holders to make a contribution of £50 each to pay a wage for a striker
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:18:00 GMT 1
Well I'm stumped then because from where I'm sitting this team isn't good enough. There has to come a time when we stop blaming the managers surely?
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Post by thrice on Sept 21, 2014 20:20:17 GMT 1
The last thing town Deano (or any other club) needs to be doing is increasing expenditure on these listless buggers.
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 21, 2014 20:29:45 GMT 1
Are we paying madejski full pay ? If we are get rid if Powell is not going to play him that's another wage for a striker
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