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Post by York Terrier on Sept 22, 2014 7:38:58 GMT 1
No what I am saying is that in the main part Rhodes was unbelievably pivotal in us getting promotion. Now, if we take the fact that promotion was achieved by a minute margin, coupled by the fact that we then sold the player almost single handedly responsible for achieving said promotion it doesn't leave us with much of a championship side does it?? Pick my argument to bits as much as you like but I stand by my criticisms whether you like it or not. I know where you're coming from and I took your post very literal which is of course wrong of me. But the truth is we cant hold onto quality players - certainly not top quality championship players - we cant match their wage demands or their ambition. But what we can do is build a team spirit - play the guys we have in their best positions - and play with passion. And all 3 of those are missing in spades at the moment. Everyone is frustrated - people fighting all over the forum - thats not what I want to do. So I get your point - and hopefully the players that have come in to replace those that have moved on can get their arses in gear and start to play the game. You guys are missing my original point I think if we were a bit smarter with our contracts then we may be able to keep the likes of Clayton Norwood Hunt Etc or at least get better money for them we appear to keep making the same mistake,get the player in improve them don't get the contract correct and then find ourselves in the position of having to let them go before the contract expires. We would never have held onto JR but we just may have been in a far better position than we are at the present time.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2014 8:13:03 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats.
If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 9:18:35 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats. If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara. It's true. Although I think some people won't be happy until this happens..
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Post by rocky on Sept 22, 2014 10:04:27 GMT 1
What rubbish!! First point Vaughan has played more than 20 games a season for us on loan and permanently. We were a promoted team of average or slightly above Lge 1 players. Clayton - without doubt an improvement over anything in midfield. Norwood - Better than Miller or Johnson - I think so! Lynch - better than P. Clarke - Yes! Gerrard - better than Kay or McCombe - Without doubt! Dixon - better than Naysmith or Ridhalgh - I think so! Beckford - Or Novak - let me think for a millisecond ! Vaughan - or Alan Lee - you tell me! Of course they bloody well improved us. If I could be bothered I'd check whether Rotherham and Brentford signed anything better than other cast offs from other teams from the Championshi.p or above . I'm with you generally Doc, but I think there's another point to make regarding Vaughan and the number of appearances he makes. He has that many different injuries, he always seem to be coming back from something or another. My point is that (although he does play some games) he can't really be match fit in any of them, as he doesn't play enough games on the trot to get match fit. Since 21st December last season, Town have played 33 league games & Vaughan has featured in 10. In all that time, I don't think we've seen a genuinely fit Vaughan, as evidenced by his performances & lack of goals. In those same 33 games, Town have won only 8. There is nothing to suggest Vaughan's injury situation will improve & all the evidence suggests we can't win enough games without him, so another striker has to be brought in. (I know that's not the point under discussion in your post, but I'm just trying to point out that the appearance stats alone for Vaughan, aren't reliable).
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2014 10:26:30 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats. If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara. Has anyone said they want him to pump any of his personal fortune in? The club were 'bragging' that they had Middlesbrough's 'pants down' over Clayton, allegedly for 1.2 million, we gave Boro back 350k for Butterfield, Reading paid allegedly 750k for Norwood, so that leaves by my reckoning, roughly, 1.6 million left, why don't we sign some strikers with that?
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Post by ritchie on Sept 22, 2014 10:29:28 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats. If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara. It's true. Although I think some people won't be happy until this happens.. Yep then the same moaners would be moaning at hoyle for 'fucking off' no doubt
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Post by ritchie on Sept 22, 2014 10:35:10 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats. If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara. Has anyone said they want him to pump any of his personal fortune in? The club were 'bragging' that they had Middlesbrough's 'pants down' over Clayton, allegedly for 1.2 million, we gave Boro back 350k for Butterfield, Reading paid allegedly 750k for Norwood, so that leaves by my reckoning, roughly, 1.6 million left, why don't we sign some strikers with that? So simple in your world isnt it arty? who do you think covers the losses year on year?!? if we'd sold them both and signed no one we'd probably still be in the red. the only reason there is money available is because hoyle is pumping money in from his pocket.. he'd be well within his rights to say no money available and use that "1.6mill" to cover the shortfall he'll have to cover
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2014 10:45:37 GMT 1
Has anyone said they want him to pump any of his personal fortune in? The club were 'bragging' that they had Middlesbrough's 'pants down' over Clayton, allegedly for 1.2 million, we gave Boro back 350k for Butterfield, Reading paid allegedly 750k for Norwood, so that leaves by my reckoning, roughly, 1.6 million left, why don't we sign some strikers with that? So simple in your world isnt it arty? who do you think covers the losses year on year?!? if we'd sold them both and signed no one we'd probably still be in the red. the only reason there is money available is because hoyle is pumping money in from his pocket.. he'd be well within his rights to say no money available and use that "1.6mill" to cover the shortfall he'll have to cover That's fine, if he wants to take the money to cover the shortfall he has to personally pump in himself, that's his perogative but if we end up relegated, then he be pumping more and more in to cover a bigger shortfall. What it seems like to me is that the club cannot afford to sustain Championship football in the long term.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 10:46:17 GMT 1
It's true. Although I think some people won't be happy until this happens.. Yep then the same moaners would be moaning at hoyle for 'fucking off' no doubt He'll never win with some people.
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Post by pieeater on Sept 22, 2014 11:15:41 GMT 1
If we got rid of the players who never play that would allow us to get players on a slightly higher wage Eg if two average players are on 10,000 could then bring a good player on 18.000 and still reduce the wage by 2,000 ? If they never play, doesn't that suggest they aren't very good? In which case, who will want to sign them?
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Post by bro600 on Sept 22, 2014 11:24:32 GMT 1
So simple in your world isnt it arty? who do you think covers the losses year on year?!? if we'd sold them both and signed no one we'd probably still be in the red. the only reason there is money available is because hoyle is pumping money in from his pocket.. he'd be well within his rights to say no money available and use that "1.6mill" to cover the shortfall he'll have to cover That's fine, if he wants to take the money to cover the shortfall he has to personally pump in himself, that's his perogative but if we end up relegated, then he be pumping more and more in to cover a bigger shortfall. What it seems like to me is that the club cannot afford to sustain Championship football in the long term. Perhaps this might help?? www.transferleague.co.uk/championship-tables/five-year-league-championship.html
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 22, 2014 12:26:54 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle will be more focussed on reducing the clubs rising £30.3 million nett debt like any competent businessman would. The Rubery era was a perfect example of how a gamble can go horribly wrong and proves that a cash injection does not guarantee anything. Mr Hoyle needs to prove that the clubs income exceeds its outgoings otherwise it is not a viable business. The fair play rules were put in place to prevent clubs overspending and how are clubs like Huddersfield Town expected to compete with the relegated ex Premier league clubs who recieve £60 million parachute payments . Mr Hoyle will be suffering as much as any fan after the mauling at Elland road and i feel the need for a dabble in the emergency loan marked especially if the Vaughan injury required a long term sicknote.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 22, 2014 12:45:47 GMT 1
Just say again, anyone who feels dean Hoyle should be pumping in even more money than he is, so you can enjoy your saturday hobby a little more- go see him with YOUR fortune and put it on the table. Im sure he'll be more than happy to pump your money into the club alongside his own. If you're not prepared to do that, then shut the fuck up moaning like a set of ungrateful spoilt brats. If dean Hoyle doesn't pump hid money in, we are a debt ridden League 1/2 club again in no time and our big signings will go back to being the likes of malvin Kamara. Has anyone said they want him to pump any of his personal fortune in? The club were 'bragging' that they had Middlesbrough's 'pants down' over Clayton, allegedly for 1.2 million, we gave Boro back 350k for Butterfield, Reading paid allegedly 750k for Norwood, so that leaves by my reckoning, roughly, 1.6 million left, why don't we sign some strikers with that? Thats exactly what they're doing. demanding more and more of his money. As for your sums,- you do realise the club runs at big losses don't you. You 'expect' DH to cover those like its something you as a fan deserve. And if DH covers SOME of them with money raised by selling players, then thats not fair to you? Afterall you deserve that all money raised goes back on the team and he personally covers the ongoing losses. Thats seems to be the mentality on show here. If you want that situation to change then either stump up your own huge fortune so more money can go on buying better players, or persuade another 5000 fans to turn up for games.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 22, 2014 13:34:40 GMT 1
Has anyone said they want him to pump any of his personal fortune in? The club were 'bragging' that they had Middlesbrough's 'pants down' over Clayton, allegedly for 1.2 million, we gave Boro back 350k for Butterfield, Reading paid allegedly 750k for Norwood, so that leaves by my reckoning, roughly, 1.6 million left, why don't we sign some strikers with that? Thats exactly what they're doing. demanding more and more of his money. As for your sums,- you do realise the club runs at big losses don't you. You 'expect' DH to cover those like its something you as a fan deserve. And if DH covers SOME of them with money raised by selling players, then thats not fair to you? Afterall you deserve that all money raised goes back on the team and he personally covers the ongoing losses. Thats seems to be the mentality on show here. If you want that situation to change then either stump up your own huge fortune so more money can go on buying better players, or persuade another 5000 fans to turn up for games. You may as well bang your head against a brick wall. We have one opinion on here that spending money on a season ticket for 20 odd years is equivalent to what DH has done. Ignoring the fact that in return for the season ticket money, you get something in return (good, bad or indifferent) and that you can quite easily decide not to spend that money whenever you wish, it comes with zero responsibility. People also talk about "spirit" - hardly surprising if the team lacks it when we have supporters ready to jump at every set back on what is a difficult road given the oft explained economics. It is very possible that we will go down this year - it will be a significant setback but not fatal UNLESS the man who is funding the club decides it simply isn't worth it if the payback is personal abuse of him and people working hard with him. I have always feared that eventually the idiots would be out with their rent a mob pitchfork mentality as soon as things started to go badly. Of all the criticisms, the most braindead are the ones about the club's infrastructure building. When faced with the problem of being unable to compete economically (a situation likley to get much worse, not better), this was the ONLY sensible strategy to follow - at least when DH gets fed up with the section of support who can't see beyond just spending somebody else's money, the foundations will be there for the next mug willing to put his money and credibility on the line for idiots.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 22, 2014 13:49:15 GMT 1
Potential 10 pager!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:28:24 GMT 1
Thats exactly what they're doing. demanding more and more of his money. As for your sums,- you do realise the club runs at big losses don't you. You 'expect' DH to cover those like its something you as a fan deserve. And if DH covers SOME of them with money raised by selling players, then thats not fair to you? Afterall you deserve that all money raised goes back on the team and he personally covers the ongoing losses. Thats seems to be the mentality on show here. If you want that situation to change then either stump up your own huge fortune so more money can go on buying better players, or persuade another 5000 fans to turn up for games. You may as well bang your head against a brick wall. We have one opinion on here that spending money on a season ticket for 20 odd years is equivalent to what DH has done. Ignoring the fact that in return for the season ticket money, you get something in return (good, bad or indifferent) and that you can quite easily decide not to spend that money whenever you wish, it comes with zero responsibility. People also talk about "spirit" - hardly surprising if the team lacks it when we have supporters ready to jump at every set back on what is a difficult road given the oft explained economics. It is very possible that we will go down this year - it will be a significant setback but not fatal UNLESS the man who is funding the club decides it simply isn't worth it if the payback is personal abuse of him and people working hard with him. I have always feared that eventually the idiots would be out with their rent a mob pitchfork mentality as soon as things started to go badly. Of all the criticisms, the most braindead are the ones about the club's infrastructure building. When faced with the problem of being unable to compete economically (a situation likley to get much worse, not better), this was the ONLY sensible strategy to follow - at least when DH gets fed up with the section of support who can't see beyond just spending somebody else's money, the foundations will be there for the next mug willing to put his money and credibility on the line for idiots. Great post. Particularly about Canalside - there seems to be an increasing view money spent on infrastructure/stadium shares is wasted and takes away from the first team. Even the more braindead seem able to comprehend we can't compete with clubs spending £11m on a striker, but then fail to see if we are to compete it will have to be through other methods. Having the sort of facilities we have can play a big part in the first team for years to come, although the benefit may not be seen immediately. It's similar to the criticism Ross Wilson comes in for from time to time. Are we realistically able to attract the best youngsters to us with the likes of United/City etc on the doorstep? In the last few years, we've seen players from Norway, Denmark and and few Irish join the Development team - it's by being smart and competing in different ways that we've got the best chance to being competitive at this level and ensuring we produce more players who can play at Championship level. The same goes for getting a good deal for players when they leave, the fees we've been able to extract for the likes of Rhodes, Peltier, Clayton and Norwood seem, to me at least, far above their actual worth (especially when they are in the last year of their contract). When DH first came to the club the transfer policy involved us signing players Stan Ternant personally knew (unsurprisingly it work). Of course we need a few loan signings in. Hoyle has said there's money available for this and he backs his manager (do some people think he is lying?). Powell said today he wants 2 or 3 in - it would have been mad for him to come out with that before he'd managed a game with the current squad. We'd all like immediate success, but a bit of realism and understanding of what the club are trying to do would be help, or alternatively a billionaire who is willing to stick two fingers up to FFP a pour millions into getting us into the greedy league.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 22, 2014 14:30:58 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle is a massive fan of Huddersfield Town and relegation is the £8 million difference between Championship and division 1 football. Any fan who thinks Hoyle is not concernerned at Towns present position needs to think again and god help us if he walk away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:39:41 GMT 1
he must be looking at all the negative comments and wondering why he gives a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:47:28 GMT 1
There is no way I want Dean Hoyle to walk away. Perhaps after a defeat emotions run high but it's mostly Bourne out of frustration. 99% must appreciate all that he has done and all that he is doing.
How do we solve this dilemma though? We are hurtling towards relegation with our current set and there is no money for replacements due to the infrastructure. As we keep losing the fans will stop coming and the money will decrease. Something needs to happen sharpish to turn it around.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 22, 2014 15:05:18 GMT 1
There is no way I want Dean Hoyle to walk away. Perhaps after a defeat emotions run high but it's mostly Bourne out of frustration. 99% must appreciate all that he has done and all that he is doing. How do we solve this dilemma though? We are hurtling towards relegation with our current set and there is no money for replacements due to the infrastructure. As we keep losing the fans will stop coming and the money will decrease. Something needs to happen sharpish to turn it around. There is no quick fix . The new manager needs to be given a lenthy period of time to get this club back to where it belongs. The supporters need to give Chris Powell and Mr Hoyle the backing they rightly deserve otherwise our problems could get far worse.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2014 15:16:52 GMT 1
People have pointed out that the club need to sign a striker and 'sanctimonious holier thou know it all' posters reckon the fans want Hoyle and Powell's heads on spikes outside the town hall. That simply isn't the case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 16:36:06 GMT 1
To be blunt, the problem is that most football fans can't see past the end of their own nose. I remember last season when we managed to string three decent results together and people were phoning Radio Leeds asking Peter Clarke whether he thought our squad would cut it in the Premier League. The next week, when we lost, the same people were cursing the Gods, prophesising the End of Days. It's as if entire swathes of the population are beset by a kind of schizophrenia which has an easily identifiable trigger. All you have to do is come on here at the weekend to confirm that particular contention. Frankly, it's as idiotic as it is tiresome.
And guess what? It does not matter one iota that you "pay your money." So does every other fan at every other club. It doesn't magically give you the right to spout the kind of insidious bile or uninformed nonsense that regularly ends up on the Club's Facebook page or Twitter account. Some people have such a twisted, banal idea of what "freedom of speech" is and what it entitles you, I can't help but laugh.
Football clubs aren't exempt from the wider demands of a stalling economy: most can't, in the words of Arsene Wenger, continue to add "inflationary pressures" in a "deflationary environment." Huddersfield Town is never going to be a club that can compete with the other clubs in this division on a pound for pound basis. That's why we have to be creative in the ways we generate revenue. It also means that we have to focus on the Academy and sell our best players for a profit if needs be. But we shouldn't expect a 1:1 return when it comes to transfer funds. I think the board have done a good job on those fronts. They've made mistakes, of course, but that's to be expected.
Now, no one is suggesting that you can't or shouldn't criticise Dean Hoyle and the other Directors, but you should at least be civil and cognisant of the constraints which they operate under. Call me old fashioned, but I happen to think that a football club is a pillar of the community, not just a results machine. I like the fact that we provide school breakfasts for underprivileged kids, that we hold all sorts of charity events, that we make an effort to engage local business, that we have a top quality training facility which is open to the public. As far as I'm concerned, these aren't distractions from what transpires on the pitch, they're an important part of the club's DNA.
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 22, 2014 18:03:24 GMT 1
For me the way i see it Deanos new style of doing things will always divide opinion. Look at our transfer player recruitment concept...."Come to us and we wont stand in your way if a better club with better prospects comes in for you!" What does that say about us if you take a step back and think about it. Who are these players going to be looking out for and busting a gut for? Huddersfield Town or themselves?
In the beginning he spent far too much of his own money getting us out of the division and as others have said we never managed automatic despite the investment, and lady luck got us up on a never ending penalty shoot out. Now why was that? Was it because Deano persisted with a novice manager who would always pick his favourites sometimes making 3 changes just to accommodate a certain Mr Kay. Or does it go back earlier when with the best football seen in ages and no striker at the end of the chances. Deano spent his money on two wingers! Well you have to back your manager i hear you all say , but there is going along with backing and there is outright stupidity. I firmly believe had we signed two strikers better than Jevons and Parker we would have made the play offs the first time of asking.
He persisted with LC when really his time was up at old Trafford and never learned from this or so it seems with how he dealt with Robins. Now or so it seems we are the only club run by a millionaire shitting a brick over ffp.Why? Its in our best interest? For gods sake the cost of relegation would be enormous and shoved in every fans face if questions were asked such as why have we sold him or not gone in for him as a consequence of been relegated. Fines may well be applied but we will receive NOTHING from complying with ffp as our greedy bar stewards of the premier league have seen to that. So is it better to go over ffp by two million and be fined 1.6 or something or lose around 8 or 9 been relegated and a hell of a lot of support?
Before any bright spark tells me or chastises me for daring to suggest how he should spend his money i am only elaborating on why people are pissed off. When we sold JR and took an installment payment plan it was never said to the fans oh by the way all that future money is going on the general operating costs. We remove 8 million pounds of striker ability and replace that with 2 million max of striking ability in the full knowledge that our main striker will never play consistently with him then wonder why we are struggling, dont make me laugh.
Of course Deano loves Huddersfield Town as we do and he is only human and humans make mistakes and i dont for one minute want him to pack up, but compare the players leeds signed at the drop of a hat for bugger all without the services of a guru either. At the time of the last Millbridge meeting Huddersfield Town had made a tidy 1.4 million profit on the midfield ins and outs. Why wasnt that money sanctioned for use immediately after the Middlesbrough game ? I can only deduce the club adopted a mindset of wanting to be prudent see how stead got on, Patto's coming back etc. The wrong attitude entirely when a striker "had been a priority over the summer". So was that a lie then? Why no action ?
To conclude Deano can do what he likes with his personal money, i would prefer it if he didnt have to support the wages of a shed load of players on our books that are not good enough for the Championship, but its not like we transfer listed them is it? All i want to see is if player a bought for half a million goes for two million, well at least spend 1.5 of that on a replacement which i would say was the clubs money not deanos own personal money.Also dont brag with the fans about having other clubs pants down when the replacements are hardly pulling up any trees eh?
Finally canal side, yes its a great facility and yes it might prove its worth in the long run but has it come at the expense of managing problems effectively in the present? Will it give us 3 points this saturday, no. Does it make Dixons shot on the end of a surging run stop sailing over the bar ? No. Did it make our midfielders support the attack and be up with play to snap up chances? No. I tell you what it does ,it pampers the bloody overpaid ponces we have on our books that have done nothing to deserve it. Pissed off with Town at the moment? You bet ya!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 22, 2014 18:18:48 GMT 1
We get it. You don't like Canalside.
Tbh I'm pissed off reading you rehashing the same points, you feel you have certain rights being a supporter sorry i'll rephrase someone who attends matches.
Hell you even wanted DH to publish a n available for transfer list to appease the fans, irrespective of whether it would drop their value.
The transfer window closed over a week before the Boro game, which might explain why it wasn't reinvested.
In between your drivel you might make some decent points but I can't be arsed looking for them.
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 22, 2014 18:22:32 GMT 1
If we got rid of the players who never play that would allow us to get players on a slightly higher wage Eg if two average players are on 10,000 could then bring a good player on 18.000 and still reduce the wage by 2,000 ? If they never play, doesn't that suggest they aren't very good? In which case, who will want to sign them? Another mans junk is another mans treasure
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 22, 2014 18:36:37 GMT 1
We get it. You don't like Canalside. Tbh I'm pissed off reading you rehashing the same points, you feel you have certain rights being a supporter sorry i'll rephrase someone who attends matches. Hell you even wanted DH to publish a n available for transfer list to appease the fans, irrespective of whether it would drop their value. The transfer window closed over a week before the Boro game, which might explain why it wasn't reinvested. In between your drivel you might make some decent points but I can't be arsed looking for them. i know the window had closed but loans cost money too, and it was to that i was referring to. Yes i wanted the players who had failed us to be transfer listed because at the very least it would have signalled to the fans that the club meant business. Drop their value they are hardly worth much anyway are they and think of those wages? Oh and by the way i dont think i have any more rights than you have, just an opinion thats all like you have, and since i attend matches yes your damn right i can come on here and voice it as you can. You keep supporting and i will decide dependent on if we get a striker in whether to attend as you put it, after all i have a brain and my own system of ffp.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2014 18:43:50 GMT 1
We get it. You don't like Canalside. Tbh I'm pissed off reading you rehashing the same points, you feel you have certain rights being a supporter sorry i'll rephrase someone who attends matches. Hell you even wanted DH to publish a n available for transfer list to appease the fans, irrespective of whether it would drop their value. The transfer window closed over a week before the Boro game, which might explain why it wasn't reinvested. In between your drivel you might make some decent points but I can't be arsed looking for them. To be fair Doc he does make some good points in a reasoned and fair manner in his oration.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 19:11:20 GMT 1
For me the way i see it Deanos new style of doing things will always divide opinion. Look at our transfer player recruitment concept...."Come to us and we wont stand in your way if a better club with better prospects comes in for you!" What does that say about us if you take a step back and think about it. Who are these players going to be looking out for and busting a gut for? Huddersfield Town or themselves? In the beginning he spent far too much of his own money getting us out of the division and as others have said we never managed automatic despite the investment, and lady luck got us up on a never ending penalty shoot out. Now why was that? Was it because Deano persisted with a novice manager who would always pick his favourites sometimes making 3 changes just to accommodate a certain Mr Kay. Or does it go back earlier when with the best football seen in ages and no striker at the end of the chances. Deano spent his money on two wingers! Well you have to back your manager i hear you all say , but there is going along with backing and there is outright stupidity. I firmly believe had we signed two strikers better than Jevons and Parker we would have made the play offs the first time of asking. He persisted with LC when really his time was up at old Trafford and never learned from this or so it seems with how he dealt with Robins. Now or so it seems we are the only club run by a millionaire shitting a brick over ffp.Why? Its in our best interest? For gods sake the cost of relegation would be enormous and shoved in every fans face if questions were asked such as why have we sold him or not gone in for him as a consequence of been relegated. Fines may well be applied but we will receive NOTHING from complying with ffp as our greedy bar stewards of the premier league have seen to that. So is it better to go over ffp by two million and be fined 1.6 or something or lose around 8 or 9 been relegated and a hell of a lot of support? Before any bright spark tells me or chastises me for daring to suggest how he should spend his money i am only elaborating on why people are pissed off. When we sold JR and took an installment payment plan it was never said to the fans oh by the way all that future money is going on the general operating costs. We remove 8 million pounds of striker ability and replace that with 2 million max of striking ability in the full knowledge that our main striker will never play consistently with him then wonder why we are struggling, dont make me laugh. Of course Deano loves Huddersfield Town as we do and he is only human and humans make mistakes and i dont for one minute want him to pack up, but compare the players leeds signed at the drop of a hat for bugger all without the services of a guru either. At the time of the last Millbridge meeting Huddersfield Town had made a tidy 1.4 million profit on the midfield ins and outs. Why wasnt that money sanctioned for use immediately after the Middlesbrough game ? I can only deduce the club adopted a mindset of wanting to be prudent see how stead got on, Patto's coming back etc. The wrong attitude entirely when a striker "had been a priority over the summer". So was that a lie then? Why no action ? To conclude Deano can do what he likes with his personal money, i would prefer it if he didnt have to support the wages of a shed load of players on our books that are not good enough for the Championship, but its not like we transfer listed them is it? All i want to see is if player a bought for half a million goes for two million, well at least spend 1.5 of that on a replacement which i would say was the clubs money not deanos own personal money.Also dont brag with the fans about having other clubs pants down when the replacements are hardly pulling up any trees eh? Finally canal side, yes its a great facility and yes it might prove its worth in the long run but has it come at the expense of managing problems effectively in the present? Will it give us 3 points this saturday, no. Does it make Dixons shot on the end of a surging run stop sailing over the bar ? No. Did it make our midfielders support the attack and be up with play to snap up chances? No. I tell you what it does ,it pampers the bloody overpaid ponces we have on our books that have done nothing to deserve it. Pissed off with Town at the moment? You bet ya! So you would ignore the long term stability and success (Canalside) of the club for a short term fix that may or may not work? I'm also curious as to your logic of sacking Clark after Old Trafford - we'd had a brilliant run at the end of that season (ok, the final was a wash out), even with the benefit of hindsight it is hard to make a case for sacking Clark at the end of the season. During the end of his tenure it became clear he wasn't going to take us up, so DH sacked him and got someone in who could. I dpn't know how you can use this as a stick to beat Hoyle with. The guy doesn't have a bottomless pit of money and I'm sure he has other things to spend it on (I know I would in his position), I doubt it was just FFP that has made him want to make the club at least close to being self sufficient. Also, he is still putting £3m a year on to cover losses. The way you speak of the JR money, he's taken it and built an extension on his house with it. Even with that fee we're losing money. We'd all like to win every game, or at least see better performances, but life, let alone football, isn't like that. If you're going to "pissed off with Town" every time we've a run of bad results or the owner isn't ploughing in even more of his millions into the club, then I wonder how you've lasted this long.
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Post by rantinray on Sept 22, 2014 19:36:23 GMT 1
I've been watching Town since the late 1940s and I can tell you that Dean Hoyle is the best thing that has happened to our club. But the choice of a manager is the most important decision that has to be made. It could be argued that LC, SG and MR were all the wrong choice - and don't let the 'know alls' on here tell me that Grayson got us promoted - it was luck which did that! Then there's the matter of recruitment, and after watching Leeds yesterday, it is obvious that their additions have been far better than ours because they had 3 players with electrifying pace and power which we couldn't handle - that was the difference between the teams. We dominated possession for the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half, then they broke away and scored through one of their speed merchants. We can only hope that Powell is the correct choice this time round because Adkins was turned down then LC was appointed and, by all accounts, Lennon and Kluivert sent in their applications recently. [/quote sudbury, I have been watching town since the early 50s and DH is probably one of the better owners the club has had. Having said that we must remember that DH has hand picked the managers which we have had since he took over the club. But for me the biggest problem is that the players which we have bought for many seasons are either not good enough or have been bought for the wrong area of the pitch which needs to be strengthened. We have lacked defenders, mid-fielders and strikers for many seasons but one thing which has always been missing has been pace. The squad which we have at present I am sorry to say are not good enough collectively for this division. Will we stay up, touch and go I think.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2014 20:02:37 GMT 1
For me the way i see it Deanos new style of doing things will always divide opinion. Look at our transfer player recruitment concept...."Come to us and we wont stand in your way if a better club with better prospects comes in for you!" What does that say about us if you take a step back and think about it. Who are these players going to be looking out for and busting a gut for? Huddersfield Town or themselves? In the beginning he spent far too much of his own money getting us out of the division and as others have said we never managed automatic despite the investment, and lady luck got us up on a never ending penalty shoot out. Now why was that? Was it because Deano persisted with a novice manager who would always pick his favourites sometimes making 3 changes just to accommodate a certain Mr Kay. Or does it go back earlier when with the best football seen in ages and no striker at the end of the chances. Deano spent his money on two wingers! Well you have to back your manager i hear you all say , but there is going along with backing and there is outright stupidity. I firmly believe had we signed two strikers better than Jevons and Parker we would have made the play offs the first time of asking. He persisted with LC when really his time was up at old Trafford and never learned from this or so it seems with how he dealt with Robins. Now or so it seems we are the only club run by a millionaire shitting a brick over ffp.Why? Its in our best interest? For gods sake the cost of relegation would be enormous and shoved in every fans face if questions were asked such as why have we sold him or not gone in for him as a consequence of been relegated. Fines may well be applied but we will receive NOTHING from complying with ffp as our greedy bar stewards of the premier league have seen to that. So is it better to go over ffp by two million and be fined 1.6 or something or lose around 8 or 9 been relegated and a hell of a lot of support? Before any bright spark tells me or chastises me for daring to suggest how he should spend his money i am only elaborating on why people are pissed off. When we sold JR and took an installment payment plan it was never said to the fans oh by the way all that future money is going on the general operating costs. We remove 8 million pounds of striker ability and replace that with 2 million max of striking ability in the full knowledge that our main striker will never play consistently with him then wonder why we are struggling, dont make me laugh. Of course Deano loves Huddersfield Town as we do and he is only human and humans make mistakes and i dont for one minute want him to pack up, but compare the players leeds signed at the drop of a hat for bugger all without the services of a guru either. At the time of the last Millbridge meeting Huddersfield Town had made a tidy 1.4 million profit on the midfield ins and outs. Why wasnt that money sanctioned for use immediately after the Middlesbrough game ? I can only deduce the club adopted a mindset of wanting to be prudent see how stead got on, Patto's coming back etc. The wrong attitude entirely when a striker "had been a priority over the summer". So was that a lie then? Why no action ? To conclude Deano can do what he likes with his personal money, i would prefer it if he didnt have to support the wages of a shed load of players on our books that are not good enough for the Championship, but its not like we transfer listed them is it? All i want to see is if player a bought for half a million goes for two million, well at least spend 1.5 of that on a replacement which i would say was the clubs money not deanos own personal money.Also dont brag with the fans about having other clubs pants down when the replacements are hardly pulling up any trees eh? Finally canal side, yes its a great facility and yes it might prove its worth in the long run but has it come at the expense of managing problems effectively in the present? Will it give us 3 points this saturday, no. Does it make Dixons shot on the end of a surging run stop sailing over the bar ? No. Did it make our midfielders support the attack and be up with play to snap up chances? No. I tell you what it does ,it pampers the bloody overpaid ponces we have on our books that have done nothing to deserve it. Pissed off with Town at the moment? You bet ya! So you would ignore the long term stability and success (Canalside) of the club for a short term fix that may or may not work? I'm also curious as to your logic of sacking Clark after Old Trafford - we'd had a brilliant run at the end of that season (ok, the final was a wash out), even with the benefit of hindsight it is hard to make a case for sacking Clark at the end of the season. During the end of his tenure it became clear he wasn't going to take us up, so DH sacked him and got someone in who could. I dpn't know how you can use this as a stick to beat Hoyle with. The guy doesn't have a bottomless pit of money and I'm sure he has other things to spend it on (I know I would in his position), I doubt it was just FFP that has made him want to make the club at least close to being self sufficient. Also, he is still putting £3m a year on to cover losses. The way you speak of the JR money, he's taken it and built an extension on his house with it. Even with that fee we're losing money. We'd all like to win every game, or at least see better performances, but life, let alone football, isn't like that. If you're going to "pissed off with Town" every time we've a run of bad results or the owner isn't ploughing in even more of his millions into the club, then I wonder how you've lasted this long. In all honesty mate I kind of agree with him on this one, he should have been sacked after Old Trafford, the following season was poor and it culminated in his sacking anyway. I'm also sure that Hoyle said himself he should have sacked Clark after Old Trafford, although don't quote me on that one.
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