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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 20:39:34 GMT 1
Arty, I don't really want to get into a should Clark have been sacked debate, as its been done to death on here over the last three years, but to sack a manager after a run of 16 wins, 9 draws and one defeat would have been madness. The following season was poor, however it was impossible to predict we would regress (even with the sales of Pilkington and Peltier) after two and a half seasons of improvement. I think the timing of the sacking was pretty much spot on - Clark had done enough to warrant one more shot at getting us up and when it became clear it wasn't going to happen he was quickly replaced. I don't remember seeing Hoyle saying he should have sacked Clark after OT, although don't quote me on that either!
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Post by stinkypete on Sept 22, 2014 21:46:54 GMT 1
For me the way i see it Deanos new style of doing things will always divide opinion. Look at our transfer player recruitment concept...."Come to us and we wont stand in your way if a better club with better prospects comes in for you!" What does that say about us if you take a step back and think about it. Who are these players going to be looking out for and busting a gut for? Huddersfield Town or themselves? In the beginning he spent far too much of his own money getting us out of the division and as others have said we never managed automatic despite the investment, and lady luck got us up on a never ending penalty shoot out. Now why was that? Was it because Deano persisted with a novice manager who would always pick his favourites sometimes making 3 changes just to accommodate a certain Mr Kay. Or does it go back earlier when with the best football seen in ages and no striker at the end of the chances. Deano spent his money on two wingers! Well you have to back your manager i hear you all say , but there is going along with backing and there is outright stupidity. I firmly believe had we signed two strikers better than Jevons and Parker we would have made the play offs the first time of asking. He persisted with LC when really his time was up at old Trafford and never learned from this or so it seems with how he dealt with Robins. Now or so it seems we are the only club run by a millionaire shitting a brick over ffp.Why? Its in our best interest? For gods sake the cost of relegation would be enormous and shoved in every fans face if questions were asked such as why have we sold him or not gone in for him as a consequence of been relegated. Fines may well be applied but we will receive NOTHING from complying with ffp as our greedy bar stewards of the premier league have seen to that. So is it better to go over ffp by two million and be fined 1.6 or something or lose around 8 or 9 been relegated and a hell of a lot of support? Before any bright spark tells me or chastises me for daring to suggest how he should spend his money i am only elaborating on why people are pissed off. When we sold JR and took an installment payment plan it was never said to the fans oh by the way all that future money is going on the general operating costs. We remove 8 million pounds of striker ability and replace that with 2 million max of striking ability in the full knowledge that our main striker will never play consistently with him then wonder why we are struggling, dont make me laugh. Of course Deano loves Huddersfield Town as we do and he is only human and humans make mistakes and i dont for one minute want him to pack up, but compare the players leeds signed at the drop of a hat for bugger all without the services of a guru either. At the time of the last Millbridge meeting Huddersfield Town had made a tidy 1.4 million profit on the midfield ins and outs. Why wasnt that money sanctioned for use immediately after the Middlesbrough game ? I can only deduce the club adopted a mindset of wanting to be prudent see how stead got on, Patto's coming back etc. The wrong attitude entirely when a striker "had been a priority over the summer". So was that a lie then? Why no action ? To conclude Deano can do what he likes with his personal money, i would prefer it if he didnt have to support the wages of a shed load of players on our books that are not good enough for the Championship, but its not like we transfer listed them is it? All i want to see is if player a bought for half a million goes for two million, well at least spend 1.5 of that on a replacement which i would say was the clubs money not deanos own personal money.Also dont brag with the fans about having other clubs pants down when the replacements are hardly pulling up any trees eh? Finally canal side, yes its a great facility and yes it might prove its worth in the long run but has it come at the expense of managing problems effectively in the present? Will it give us 3 points this saturday, no. Does it make Dixons shot on the end of a surging run stop sailing over the bar ? No. Did it make our midfielders support the attack and be up with play to snap up chances? No. I tell you what it does ,it pampers the bloody overpaid ponces we have on our books that have done nothing to deserve it. Pissed off with Town at the moment? You bet ya! Very good post, but I'm sure it will be taken in the wrong way by a lot of people on here.
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Post by York Terrier on Sept 22, 2014 22:12:59 GMT 1
As I started the initial chain it appears to me that we have gone of on somewhat of a tangent,no one appears to pick up on one of the main points of my initial post which is being smart with the contracts.i don't think it's beyond the wit of our board to arrange a contract that reflects our agreed policy of developing players.
If we are happy with a players progress after 12 months we should at that point extend his contract by a further year or two,the risk is the player does not continue to improve and we have a long contract on a player who will not be sold on for a profit
On the other hand if the player improves the same as JR AP LP JH Clayton Norwood etc we would be able to keep the best players for a few extra years allowing us to establish ourselves as a steady championship side or ,we could demand a far higher transfer price instead of being forced to sell the player before there contract expires and they leave on a free.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Sept 22, 2014 22:23:59 GMT 1
For me the way i see it Deanos new style of doing things will always divide opinion. Look at our transfer player recruitment concept.... "Come to us and we wont stand in your way if a better club with better prospects comes in for you!"What does that say about us if you take a step back and think about it. Who are these players going to be looking out for and busting a gut for? Huddersfield Town or themselves? The important part, which you omitted, is that the better club must meet or exceed our valuation of the player. Players now know that their best way of engineering a move to a better club is by performing consistently well for Town. Then again thinking of Clayton and Norwood maybe not.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 22, 2014 22:27:08 GMT 1
I want a balcony overlooking Lake Ontario
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Post by Giggity on Sept 22, 2014 22:28:23 GMT 1
15 points from our last 21 games. Investment is needed.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 22, 2014 22:31:12 GMT 1
15 points from our last 21 games. Investment is needed. Or a change in manager
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Post by Giggity on Sept 22, 2014 22:32:54 GMT 1
15 points from our last 21 games. Investment is needed. Or a change in manager Sounds good to me.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 23, 2014 8:17:14 GMT 1
I liked Anthony Kay he was one of our most consistent league one players!
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 23, 2014 8:33:55 GMT 1
I liked Anthony Kay he was one of our most consistent league one players! Unfashionable on here I know, but I liked Kay as well - sure, he wasn't the best footballer, sure he was a littlehot-headed at times, but you always felt he was busting a gut on our behalf. I also liked Jim Godwin, mind and feel Gary Roberts could still do us a job, so what kind of a judge am I? tell you what type of judge I am - I judge that we have no other option on the way forward than the one we are currently pursuing - unless we have a change of ownership. Just be careful what you wish for guys!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 8:39:33 GMT 1
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 23, 2014 8:56:36 GMT 1
I want a balcony overlooking Lake Ontario Let me know when you get one will post you out some of our players concrete boots for your diving practice Only joking pal, no malice intended, like Clint Eastwood said, "Opinions are like arseholes everybody has one".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 8:56:53 GMT 1
I want a balcony overlooking Lake Ontario Town fans aren't allowed balcony's, this is due in part to the fear that the majority would throw themselves off of one at 6pm on Saturday evenings
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Post by bro600 on Sept 23, 2014 9:19:28 GMT 1
over the last 5 seasons Wolves have spent £40 million, Bolton £23 mill, Blackburn £25 mill, Birmingham £19 mill and Burnley spent £10 million which goes to show that throwing money at the situation is no guarantee for success. Portsmouth were involved in £150 million worth of transfer activity as they tumbled down the leagues?? What do supporters really want? What do you really expect to happen in a space of 3 games under Powell? David Moyes, Van Gaal, Brendon Rodgers 2 seasons back? Three well respected managers , time served and with some of the best talent in the world to choose from ?? Does this not even make you want to give Powell at least a chance? I think some posters forget that football is actually a competition, the other teams in this league are actually wanting to beat us and sometimes luck. opportunism or just an individuAL can turn a teams fortune around. Burnley didn't get promoted last season because they were the 3rd best team in this division and man for man outplayed everyone they did it because they set out with an attitude of survival which snowballed into a decent run and had other teams wary of them. Greece didn't win the European championships because they were the best team in Europe they did it because they galvanized into a force for that occasion. Changing ownership. signing a player, changing manager or whatever guarantees nothing because football isn't like that. On this messageboard we are now seeing all the blame elements and digging into the financial situation looking for the magic formula which isn't available i'm afraid..Football success is a recipe that comes together without any real individual brilliance from an owner/player or manager but by getting the right things in the right place and then having the ability to nurture it and help it grow until it fizzles out and you start again. We should be careful not to pull too much of what we've got apart and end up like Portsmouth...
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 23, 2014 9:23:04 GMT 1
I want a balcony overlooking Lake Ontario Town fans aren't allowed balcony's, this is due in part to the fear that the majority would throw themselves off of one at 6pm on Saturday evenings Good job I don't have one, I'd have been off it head first after the Sheffield Wednesday game in February.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 23, 2014 9:51:01 GMT 1
I liked Anthony Kay he was one of our most consistent league one players! Unfashionable on here I know, but I liked Kay as well - sure, he wasn't the best footballer, sure he was a littlehot-headed at times, but you always felt he was busting a gut on our behalf. I also liked Jim Godwin, mind and feel Gary Roberts could still do us a job, so what kind of a judge am I? tell you what type of judge I am - I judge that we have no other option on the way forward than the one we are currently pursuing - unless we have a change of ownership. Just be careful what you wish for guys!!! Likewise my dad supports chesterfield and he's always banging on about how town should have never let him go!
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Post by ram on Sept 23, 2014 10:02:19 GMT 1
I have a PVC Balcony on my Holiday Home.Does that count?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 10:45:08 GMT 1
over the last 5 seasons Wolves have spent £40 million, Bolton £23 mill, Blackburn £25 mill, Birmingham £19 mill and Burnley spent £10 million which goes to show that throwing money at the situation is no guarantee for success. Portsmouth were involved in £150 million worth of transfer activity as they tumbled down the leagues?? What do supporters really want? What do you really expect to happen in a space of 3 games under Powell? David Moyes, Van Gaal, Brendon Rodgers 2 seasons back? Three well respected managers , time served and with some of the best talent in the world to choose from ?? Does this not even make you want to give Powell at least a chance? I think some posters forget that football is actually a competition, the other teams in this league are actually wanting to beat us and sometimes luck. opportunism or just an individuAL can turn a teams fortune around. Burnley didn't get promoted last season because they were the 3rd best team in this division and man for man outplayed everyone they did it because they set out with an attitude of survival which snowballed into a decent run and had other teams wary of them. Greece didn't win the European championships because they were the best team in Europe they did it because they galvanized into a force for that occasion. Changing ownership. signing a player, changing manager or whatever guarantees nothing because football isn't like that. On this messageboard we are now seeing all the blame elements and digging into the financial situation looking for the magic formula which isn't available i'm afraid..Football success is a recipe that comes together without any real individual brilliance from an owner/player or manager but by getting the right things in the right place and then having the ability to nurture it and help it grow until it fizzles out and you start again. We should be careful not to pull too much of what we've got apart and end up like Portsmouth... I'm actually a little bit staggered by the impatience being shown to Powell, as I've said elsewhere, in the week he's had from his first game we've gone from looking very poor against boro, to fairly solid against Wigan, and then at Leeds we looked like we were trying to push forward and create something, the performance at elland road was nowhere near as bad as some people are making out, and had we lost like that away to another decent team in the championship there wouldn't have been a fraction of some of the rubbish that had been posted on here since Saturday. Leeds have just collected 10 points out of 12, they are a good side, you can see that they have acquired some strong pacey players and were well managed by Readfern who has had much more time to analyse and mold his players than Powell has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 10:47:24 GMT 1
I have a PVC Balcony on my Holiday Home.Does that count? All balconies are included, I'm thinking of maybe putting French doors in the master bedroom with a nice Juliet balcony, what does everybody think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 10:49:45 GMT 1
I bet Deanos got a reeeet balcony on his new pad.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 23, 2014 11:04:47 GMT 1
over the last 5 seasons Wolves have spent £40 million, Bolton £23 mill, Blackburn £25 mill, Birmingham £19 mill and Burnley spent £10 million which goes to show that throwing money at the situation is no guarantee for success. Portsmouth were involved in £150 million worth of transfer activity as they tumbled down the leagues?? What do supporters really want? What do you really expect to happen in a space of 3 games under Powell? David Moyes, Van Gaal, Brendon Rodgers 2 seasons back? Three well respected managers , time served and with some of the best talent in the world to choose from ?? Does this not even make you want to give Powell at least a chance? I think some posters forget that football is actually a competition, the other teams in this league are actually wanting to beat us and sometimes luck. opportunism or just an individuAL can turn a teams fortune around. Burnley didn't get promoted last season because they were the 3rd best team in this division and man for man outplayed everyone they did it because they set out with an attitude of survival which snowballed into a decent run and had other teams wary of them. Greece didn't win the European championships because they were the best team in Europe they did it because they galvanized into a force for that occasion. Changing ownership. signing a player, changing manager or whatever guarantees nothing because football isn't like that. On this messageboard we are now seeing all the blame elements and digging into the financial situation looking for the magic formula which isn't available i'm afraid..Football success is a recipe that comes together without any real individual brilliance from an owner/player or manager but by getting the right things in the right place and then having the ability to nurture it and help it grow until it fizzles out and you start again. We should be careful not to pull too much of what we've got apart and end up like Portsmouth... I'm actually a little bit staggered by the impatience being shown to Powell, as I've said elsewhere, in the week he's had from his first game we've gone from looking very poor against boro, to fairly solid against Wigan, and then at Leeds we looked like we were trying to push forward and create something, the performance at elland road was nowhere near as bad as some people are making out, and had we lost like that away to another decent team in the championship there wouldn't have been a fraction of some of the rubbish that had been posted on here since Saturday. Leeds have just collected 10 points out of 12, they are a good side, you can see that they have acquired some strong pacey players and were well managed by Readfern who has had much more time to analyse and mold his players than Powell has. To be fair Mel, I don't disagree with any of that, it weren't as bad as it felt but lets not gloss over it, it wasn't great either. And the posters who showed Robins unstinting loyalty no matter how shit we were have been giving Powell some right hammer. I'm not thrilled by the last 3 games but lets give the bloke a fair crack of the whip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 11:13:49 GMT 1
I'm actually a little bit staggered by the impatience being shown to Powell, as I've said elsewhere, in the week he's had from his first game we've gone from looking very poor against boro, to fairly solid against Wigan, and then at Leeds we looked like we were trying to push forward and create something, the performance at elland road was nowhere near as bad as some people are making out, and had we lost like that away to another decent team in the championship there wouldn't have been a fraction of some of the rubbish that had been posted on here since Saturday. Leeds have just collected 10 points out of 12, they are a good side, you can see that they have acquired some strong pacey players and were well managed by Readfern who has had much more time to analyse and mold his players than Powell has. To be fair Mel, I don't disagree with any of that, it weren't as bad as it felt but lets not gloss over it, it wasn't great either. And the posters who showed Robins unstinting loyalty no matter how shit we were have been giving Powell some right hammer. I'm not thrilled by the last 3 games but lets give the bloke a fair crack of the whip. I agree, we need to improve, but there were periods of the game where I felt if we played like that all season we'd pick up plenty of points. We're still desperately short in some areas though, but you can't blame Powell for that.
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Post by Fullisheight on Sept 23, 2014 12:54:12 GMT 1
To be fair Mel, I don't disagree with any of that, it weren't as bad as it felt but lets not gloss over it, it wasn't great either. And the posters who showed Robins unstinting loyalty no matter how shit we were have been giving Powell some right hammer. I'm not thrilled by the last 3 games but lets give the bloke a fair crack of the whip. I agree, we need to improve, but there were periods of the game where I felt if we played like that all season we'd pick up plenty of points. We're still desperately short in some areas though, but you can't blame Powell for that. I sometimes wonder if it's a good thing having an owner who's a fan. Wouldn't be without him and I'd hate to think where we'd be if he hadn't got involved but sometimes think a journeyman owner might be more adventurous and run the team for now rather than later. Doesn't really matter to me if we're in the Champions League or the Conference I'll still be there and it's comforting to know that Dean Hoyle is developing the club in a sustainable way which means that we know it will be safe. But I do sometimes wonder if I'd prefer the roller coaster ride some other clubs have by chancing thier arm. I've got a veranda (no idea what the difference is). Sometimes I sit out on it at night looking out over the fields and watch the sun go down on god's own county thinking about fish and chips and all things Yorkshire.
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Post by cabbles on Sept 23, 2014 13:50:45 GMT 1
To be fair Mel, I don't disagree with any of that, it weren't as bad as it felt but lets not gloss over it, it wasn't great either. And the posters who showed Robins unstinting loyalty no matter how shit we were have been giving Powell some right hammer. I'm not thrilled by the last 3 games but lets give the bloke a fair crack of the whip. I agree, we need to improve, but there were periods of the game where I felt if we played like that all season we'd pick up plenty of points. We're still desperately short in some areas though, but you can't blame Powell for that. As a Charlton fan I thought I would check in to see what the consensus on Powell was so far? Are some people laying into him already or are people prepared to give him time? Apologies if this is going away from the original subject, but just saw the above comments and thought to ask the question.
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Post by In sooth- - on Sept 23, 2014 15:20:58 GMT 1
He should have been appointed during the summer to give him time to organise things during the preseason games.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 23, 2014 16:00:21 GMT 1
I agree, we need to improve, but there were periods of the game where I felt if we played like that all season we'd pick up plenty of points. We're still desperately short in some areas though, but you can't blame Powell for that. As a Charlton fan I thought I would check in to see what the consensus on Powell was so far? Are some people laying into him already or are people prepared to give him time? Apologies if this is going away from the original subject, but just saw the above comments and thought to ask the question. His team set up so far has been more to stop us getting beat and maybe nick a goal as opposed to being proactive in the game and going hunting the 3 points on offer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 16:01:25 GMT 1
How are we gonna differentiate between a veranda and a balcony?
I say
Balcony = would/could hurt if you fell off it
Veranda = would not hurt if you fell off it.
Everybody happy with that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 16:05:43 GMT 1
He should have been appointed during the summer to give him time to organise things during the preseason games. We couldn't afford to pay two managers and accompanying staff.
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Post by claytonwestblue on Sept 23, 2014 16:12:59 GMT 1
He should have been appointed during the summer to give him time to organise things during the preseason games. Spot on and that will come back to bite us
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 23, 2014 16:34:59 GMT 1
He should have been appointed during the summer to give him time to organise things during the preseason games. Spot on and that will come back to bite us Put the club 3 months behind on the back foot
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