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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 17:58:46 GMT 1
Bearing that in mind, what are your opinions on the Newcastle centre backs yesterday? I wasn't at the game so don't have one. I don't have one on hudson yesterday either, other than the pen looked harsh on the highlights. It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 14, 2016 18:00:39 GMT 1
I wasn't at the game so don't have one. I don't have one on hudson yesterday either, other than the pen looked harsh on the highlights. It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, t o state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. I do agree, but more so, hes our captain! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 18:01:28 GMT 1
I wasn't at the game so don't have one. I don't have one on hudson yesterday either, other than the pen looked harsh on the highlights. It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. I would be surprised if there is anyone slower. Perhaps the FL can arrange a race for charity |
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 14, 2016 18:08:30 GMT 1
he's got 2 yellows so it wont be long before Hefe or Stank have to step up to the plate, its true as already mentioned Hefe operated left centre Bachk for Dresden might well be DW doesnt fancy Schindler and Hefe together id just like to see him try it in a competitive game asap
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 18:14:28 GMT 1
It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. Perhaps the FL can arrange a race for charity Well there's a surprise.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 18:23:03 GMT 1
he's got 2 yellows so it wont be long before Hefe or Stank have to step up to the plate, its true as already mentioned Hefe operated left centre Bachk for Dresden might well be DW doesnt fancy Schindler and Hefe together id just like to see him try it in a competitive game asap Just one more than Hefele. |
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Post by E4b on Aug 14, 2016 18:37:26 GMT 1
It's good that we have plenty of defensive back up to cover suspensions. Might need the same sort of back up for the strikers.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2016 23:56:07 GMT 1
I wasn't at the game so don't have one. I don't have one on hudson yesterday either, other than the pen looked harsh on the highlights. It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. Id be amazed if theres a slower one, genuinely amazed. I don't have stats on it, so yes it is conjecture, but I don;t think its an over exaggeration either. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 15, 2016 0:02:28 GMT 1
It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. I would be surprised if there is anyone slower. Perhaps the FL can arrange a race for charity Akinfenwa? Kay? Peter Clarke? |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 15, 2016 0:52:31 GMT 1
It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. Id be amazed if theres a slower one, genuinely amazed. I don't have stats on it, so yes it is conjecture, but I don;t think its an over exaggeration either. Earlier this week he was the slowest Town player ever, despite the game speeding up beyond recognition in my time watching Town from the early seventies. Now apparently he's the slowest current professional in the English game. I would suggest over-exageration is exactly what it is - Especially when you state yourself, it is nothing but conjecture on your part! You wouldn't even comment on the Newcastle centre backs defending because you weren't at the game but strangely you are now happy enough to know the pace of each pro of each English club to rate our captain dead last! Gosh I'm glad we are joint top! Otherwise our fans might start criticising our players |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 1:31:56 GMT 1
It's the unnecessary over exaggeration that gets me. His lack of pace was made known at the time of him signing, however his experience of this division more than made up for this we were told. Whether you agree with this or not, to state he is probably the slowest least mobile player in all four divisions is an obvious over the top statement based on nothing but conjecture. Doesn't really help your argument that has some valid points. Id be amazed if theres a slower one, genuinely amazed. I don't have stats on it, so yes it is conjecture, but I don;t think its an over exaggeration either. It's a fact he was quicker than Grant Holt and I'm sure there are tens of slower players than Grant Holt in the football league. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 15, 2016 3:59:19 GMT 1
Obvious deficiency - who made you the expert on player selection. Keitha did you go the the Brentford game? You didn't need to be an expert on player selection - he almost cost us the points with no less than several mistakes. Apologies for the tardy response – I have been engrossed with the Olympics all day. No – I did not go to the game, I was playing golf,, but that is not central to my point. I understand that people are entitled to their opinions, and that is absolutely fine. So here is mine. You see he didn’t cost us the points. In fact of the three games we have played we have only won when he has played. So on the day when we record one of the most memorable victories in our recent history , is there any need to pick on Mark Hudson. I do not think so. What do you think it achieves, are you scrutinizing his game and coming on here commenting on all the great things he did in the game? Nope, You see using semantics such as obvious deficiency, is a between the lines inference to the manager that he doesn’t know his job. I mean, how can you DW continue to pick him when he is obviously so bad. That’s the issue I have, it’s not obvious to everyone. So he might be knocking on a bit, so he might be slow, but the bloke ran his socks off and gave an effort to win the game wearing our shirt. You might not like him, you might want him replaced, but we won the game, be a supporter, he is our club captain. Show some respect. Save your moaning for mid-week, or , for an occasion when we don’t win the points, not just nearly. What do you think he is going to think when he comes on here and reads these comments. I trust DW to know more about the standard and quality of our players than I do the armchair warriors on here. |
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Post by wtd on Aug 15, 2016 7:30:53 GMT 1
I would be surprised if there is anyone slower. Perhaps the FL can arrange a race for charity Akinfenwa? Kay? Peter Clarke? Be a half decent race that, using the x6 button. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 15, 2016 8:12:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 8:13:06 GMT 1
Keitha did you go the the Brentford game? You didn't need to be an expert on player selection - he almost cost us the points with no less than several mistakes. Apologies for the tardy response – I have been engrossed with the Olympics all day. No – I did not go to the game, I was playing golf,, but that is not central to my point. I understand that people are entitled to their opinions, and that is absolutely fine. So here is mine. You see he didn’t cost us the points. In fact of the three games we have played we have only won when he has played. So on the day when we record one of the most memorable victories in our recent history , is there any need to pick on Mark Hudson. I do not think so. What do you think it achieves, are you scrutinizing his game and coming on here commenting on all the great things he did in the game? Nope, You see using semantics such as obvious deficiency, is a between the lines inference to the manager that he doesn’t know his job. I mean, how can you DW continue to pick him when he is obviously so bad. That’s the issue I have, it’s not obvious to everyone. So he might be knocking on a bit, so he might be slow, but the bloke ran his socks off and gave an effort to win the game wearing our shirt. You might not like him, you might want him replaced, but we won the game, be a supporter, he is our club captain. Show some respect. Save your moaning for mid-week, or , for an occasion when we don’t win the points, not just nearly. What do you think he is going to think when he comes on here and reads these comments. I trust DW to know more about the standard and quality of our players than I do the armchair warriors on here. Great post. Wouldn't it be great for Town fans to get behind the Town players whoever is picked. After all it might be hard to believe but DW and his backroom staff really do know more than someone who turns up every two weeks sat in row Z. The constant criticism of Hudson is very tedious and actually shows a lack of football knowledge. IMO of course. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 15, 2016 8:27:01 GMT 1
Id be amazed if theres a slower one, genuinely amazed. I don't have stats on it, so yes it is conjecture, but I don;t think its an over exaggeration either. Earlier this week he was the slowest Town player ever, despite the game speeding up beyond recognition in my time watching Town from the early seventies. Now apparently he's the slowest current professional in the English game. I would suggest over-exageration is exactly what it is - Especially when you state yourself, it is nothing but conjecture on your part! You wouldn't even comment on the Newcastle centre backs defending because you weren't at the game but strangely you are now happy enough to know the pace of each pro of each English club to rate our captain dead last! Gosh I'm glad we are joint top! Otherwise our fans might start criticising our players I don;t like to comment on games i haven't seen and don;t gain my opinions from endless stats. Do i always have to point out that you can form an opinion by what you see without the need for reams of data and statistical analysis? i don;t remember ever seeing a slower town player. Thats just an opinion and one Im sticking by as its genuinely true- i don't. So it therefore figures i doubt theres a slower player currently in the football league. |
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Post by supertowner on Aug 15, 2016 9:01:11 GMT 1
Hefele and Schindler are left footed and Wagner seems to want a right footer on the right. Schindler is bound to play most weeks when he's our record signing. Hefele did look very two footed in the friendlies though so maybe he will get a chance on the right side I am not convinced Schindler is most comfortable playing on the left..I only saw him at the Brentford game and he shifted the ball onto his right when he could. I think he is right footed. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 15, 2016 9:16:11 GMT 1
It is clear there are differing opinions about Hudson.
What we need to do though, is get behind him if he is selected.
Some Leeds fans citing the fact that their fans were almost enjoying mistakes made by their Players on Saturday, jeering them in places which in their view impacted their overall performance (not the only reason of course!). When Hudson did that stray pass out to the Kilner against Brentford, there was some jeering and some of our fans appeared 'pleased' to see this and have a reason to have a go at him.
We are on the cusp I think of something special at our Club, I believe over the next few seasons comparatively speaking we can create some great things. To do that, we need to be fully behind the Players on match-day and create an environment at the John Smiths that the Players love playing in and feel comfortable in.
Hudson is popular amongst the Town Players, you jeer him, then you impact the Team overall.
Your choice.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 15, 2016 9:23:01 GMT 1
It is clear there are differing opinions about Hudson. What we need to do though, is get behind him if he is selected. Some Leeds fans citing the fact that their fans were almost enjoying mistakes made by their Players on Saturday, jeering them in places which in their view impacted their overall performance (not the only reason of course!). When Hudson did that stray pass out to the Kilner against Brentford, there was some jeering and some of our fans appeared 'pleased' to see this and have a reason to have a go at him. We are on the cusp I think of something special at our Club, I believe over the next few seasons comparatively speaking we can create some great things. To do that, we need to be fully behind the Players on match-day and create an environment at the John Smiths that the Players love playing in and feel comfortable in. Hudson is popular amongst the Town Players, you jeer him, then you impact the Team overall. Your choice. totally agree. Weve seen it before with players how fans can destroy their confidence, almost enjoying their gaffs. Hudsons an old head but it will get to him all the same if that happens. But a thread about him on social media is the right place to offer up your views., |
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Post by eastlondonterrier on Aug 15, 2016 11:05:51 GMT 1
Top leader, top communicator and top person. Been a big critic of him last season but he's stepped up and manned up. He'll make mistakes but it's his last year and so far we've won both games he's played in. Maybe having someone alongside who can defend properly and inspire confidence i.e Schindler has helped instead of calamitous Joel who had the turning circle of the moon and the preponderance of a snail at a set of traffic lights. Get behind the boys and let's not turn into that other team down the road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 12:13:43 GMT 1
Keitha did you go the the Brentford game? You didn't need to be an expert on player selection - he almost cost us the points with no less than several mistakes. Apologies for the tardy response – I have been engrossed with the Olympics all day. No – I did not go to the game, I was playing golf,, but that is not central to my point. I understand that people are entitled to their opinions, and that is absolutely fine. So here is mine. You see he didn’t cost us the points. In fact of the three games we have played we have only won when he has played. So on the day when we record one of the most memorable victories in our recent history , is there any need to pick on Mark Hudson. I do not think so. What do you think it achieves, are you scrutinizing his game and coming on here commenting on all the great things he did in the game? Nope, You see using semantics such as obvious deficiency, is a between the lines inference to the manager that he doesn’t know his job. I mean, how can you DW continue to pick him when he is obviously so bad. That’s the issue I have, it’s not obvious to everyone. So he might be knocking on a bit, so he might be slow, but the bloke ran his socks off and gave an effort to win the game wearing our shirt. You might not like him, you might want him replaced, but we won the game, be a supporter, he is our club captain. Show some respect. Save your moaning for mid-week, or , for an occasion when we don’t win the points, not just nearly. What do you think he is going to think when he comes on here and reads these comments. I trust DW to know more about the standard and quality of our players than I do the armchair warriors on here. No apology required. I admire your galant defending of him in a way actually, bravo. While I think it's again, really admirable that your lecturing me to show more support - I am showing support, I think everything is going exceedingly well and I can't praise the whole club enough, but as this is a forum (and not a cheerleading club) - I think it's also appropriate to highlight where we could improve. Moreover, I genuinely wonder if you would have been of the same opinion had you attended last week. |
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Post by hartyhtfc on Aug 15, 2016 12:24:15 GMT 1
A couple of times on Saturday I muttered to myself when Hudson seemingly made an error; a couple of stray passes I think. On both occasions the player turned round and it was actually Schindler who made the error.
Says a lot about how we view Hudson; he had a cracking game yesterday, as was recognised by a few Newcastle fans who actually singled him out on a couple of Geordie match reports I've seen.
Time we all got behind him, trust in Wagner's judgement, trust in our own players' perceptions, and trust in our club captain
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 15, 2016 12:43:35 GMT 1
Think you would always rather have a quick centre half than a slow one - but centre half is one position where you can get away with a drop off in pace if your reading of the game and positional play are up to scratch (along with all the experience). Not much excuse for his distribution though 😀
Hoping both he and DW know when it's time to focus a lot more on coaching than playing.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 15, 2016 13:22:41 GMT 1
It is clear there are differing opinions about Hudson. What we need to do though, is get behind him if he is selected. Some Leeds fans citing the fact that their fans were almost enjoying mistakes made by their Players on Saturday, jeering them in places which in their view impacted their overall performance (not the only reason of course!). When Hudson did that stray pass out to the Kilner against Brentford, there was some jeering and some of our fans appeared 'pleased' to see this and have a reason to have a go at him. We are on the cusp I think of something special at our Club, I believe over the next few seasons comparatively speaking we can create some great things. To do that, we need to be fully behind the Players on match-day and create an environment at the John Smiths that the Players love playing in and feel comfortable in. Hudson is popular amongst the Town Players, you jeer him, then you impact the Team overall. Your choice. totally agree. Weve seen it before with players how fans can destroy their confidence, almost enjoying their gaffs. Hudsons an old head but it will get to him all the same if that happens. But a thread about him on social media is the right place to offer up your views., I do think that even on social media, it perpetuates the idea (to you and others) that Hudson is so slow that he is an accident waiting to happen! As you say it is far better on here than at a game and unfortunately it happens at the game too! Who knows if it wasn't such a hot topic of converstaion with vast over-exaggerations and clear inaccuracies (see COLT blaming him for the Brentford goal) It was noticeable to me that there were regular groans with Hudson on the ball against Brentford, even the Brentford commentators picked up on it during their commentary on the 90 minute replay on their site. If opposition broadcasters are picking up on it - I'm sure that their team and management is too, which is obviously detrimental to the team on a matchday. Town fans are rightly or wrongly known to be quick to find a scapegoat or booboy. See Dave Cowling, Terry Austin and Theo Robinson amongst many. At no point does this 'help' the team. For the record, I would prefer Hefele in the team myself but can understand why Wagner is playing him and will happily accept his view without undermining it on social media with statements like.... "something's gone horribly wrong if Hudson is still starting". "slowest player ever". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 13:50:38 GMT 1
Neal Trotman was ridiculously slow. But he had a chant that people enjoyed so it went unquestioned.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 15, 2016 14:08:10 GMT 1
Apologies for the tardy response – I have been engrossed with the Olympics all day. No – I did not go to the game, I was playing golf,, but that is not central to my point. I understand that people are entitled to their opinions, and that is absolutely fine. So here is mine. You see he didn’t cost us the points. In fact of the three games we have played we have only won when he has played. So on the day when we record one of the most memorable victories in our recent history , is there any need to pick on Mark Hudson. I do not think so. What do you think it achieves, are you scrutinizing his game and coming on here commenting on all the great things he did in the game? Nope, You see using semantics such as obvious deficiency, is a between the lines inference to the manager that he doesn’t know his job. I mean, how can you DW continue to pick him when he is obviously so bad. That’s the issue I have, it’s not obvious to everyone. So he might be knocking on a bit, so he might be slow, but the bloke ran his socks off and gave an effort to win the game wearing our shirt. You might not like him, you might want him replaced, but we won the game, be a supporter, he is our club captain. Show some respect. Save your moaning for mid-week, or , for an occasion when we don’t win the points, not just nearly. What do you think he is going to think when he comes on here and reads these comments. I trust DW to know more about the standard and quality of our players than I do the armchair warriors on here. No apology required. I admire your galant defending of him in a way actually, bravo. While I think it's again, really admirable that your lecturing me to show more support - I am showing support, I think everything is going exceedingly well and I can't praise the whole club enough, but as this is a forum (and not a cheerleading club) - I think it's also appropriate to highlight where we could improve. Moreover, I genuinely wonder if you would have been of the same opinion had you attended last week. I am sorry, the post was not meant as a lecture to you, I was going to reply to Slapps but then I spotted you had asked me if I went. It was meant as a general post to whomever wants to read it. To reiterate though, he didn't cost us points. there are others on here who actually saw that he might have saved us the points. I didn't go so i don't want to comment on his performance. My point is that there was no need to start Hudson bashing all over again on a day when the team delivered in majestic style. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 15, 2016 14:13:36 GMT 1
Hudson is clearly coming to the end of his career. I have reservations about him, particularly his lack of pace when facing pacy, tricky players who run at him and big strong centre forwards who are strong in the air. He's also not the best passing the ball out from the back, which is a major part of our game.
That said, he is a leader who is held in high regard by manager and players alike. He has experience of this division in spades. He won't be a permanent fixture in our team for much longer, but he has qualities that the manager obviously thinks are worth giving him a starting spot and the captaincy. Despite my reservations about him on the technical and physical sides I am quite prepared to back Wagner and his judgement. After all he's forgotten more about football than I'll ever know.
I remember watching Town play some of the best football I've ever seen under Steve Bruce at the start of the 1999-2000 season. And who were the centre halves for much of that time? Jon Dyson and Kevin Gray - two limited centre halves, particularly with the ball at their feet. They shouldn't have been part of a side playing such good, effective football, but they were. Injuries gave them their chance and they played a full part in the success enjoyed by that side in the first part of that season. Sometimes things just work. Hudson has his weaknesses, but at the moment he is playing as part of a winning side. I'd like to think that the news lads will be getting their chances in the not too distant future, but at the moment Hudson has the shirt and Wagner is happy with him. That'll do for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 14:15:20 GMT 1
No apology required. I admire your galant defending of him in a way actually, bravo. While I think it's again, really admirable that your lecturing me to show more support - I am showing support, I think everything is going exceedingly well and I can't praise the whole club enough, but as this is a forum (and not a cheerleading club) - I think it's also appropriate to highlight where we could improve. Moreover, I genuinely wonder if you would have been of the same opinion had you attended last week. I am sorry, the post was not meant as a lecture to you, I was going to reply to Slapps but then I spotted you had asked me if I went. It was meant as a general post to whomever wants to read it. To reiterate though, he didn't cost us points. there are others on here who actually saw that he might have saved us the points. I didn't go so i don't want to comment on his performance. My point is that there was no need to start Hudson bashing all over again on a day when the team delivered in majestic style. [ I didn't mean 'lecturing' in a derogatory way - there's nothing wrong with passionately getting your point across. Point taken - DW obviously picks him for a reason and will continue to do so, so it seems, so may as well refrain from moaning. |
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Post by Giggity on Aug 15, 2016 15:21:39 GMT 1
Do you go for Hefele's height or Hudson's experience against Gestede? Gestede is the type of striker we have struggled against in the past.
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Post by Giggity on Aug 15, 2016 15:23:06 GMT 1
Handball looked deliberate to me. Looked similar to the Brentford game where Hudson was beaten so had to resort to a bit of foul play to try get even. He's a risk.
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