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Post by zoso on Jul 30, 2019 17:16:38 GMT 1
I hope he becomes a top premier league player if only to choke some of these posters who castigate him just as many do when a player leaves Town. He came as a very young player. How many of them would move at his age to foreign country. I think it was his attitude in his latter days at Town that people chose to "castigate" Billing. Totally unprofessional and arrogant IMHO of course  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 17:32:41 GMT 1
I hope he becomes a top premier league player if only to choke some of these posters who castigate him just as many do when a player leaves Town. He came as a very young player. How many of them would move at his age to foreign country.
And was very well looked after, Finished his education at College and played football everyday.
He was a knob, He downed tools,, But I don't think there will be one Town fan on here who wants him to fail,, Indeed I would imagine everybody hopes he plays out of his skin and moves to Madrid for 50M in January 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 17:41:42 GMT 1
I hope he becomes a top premier league player if only to choke some of these posters who castigate him just as many do when a player leaves Town. He came as a very young player. How many of them would move at his age to foreign country. I think it was his attitude in his latter days at Town that people chose to "castigate" Billing. Totally unprofessional and arrogant IMHO of course Exactly, I've defended him on here a few times up to the last few months. The attack on his gaffer in the press ended it for me. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Jul 30, 2019 17:53:31 GMT 1
I think the key point for me personally, is that we don’t know the full story and never will. Maybe he was arrogant, maybe he didn’t like his boss, maybe he wanted a change, maybe he believed he could progress more elsewhere.
When it comes to footballers we place them on a higher more unrealistic pedestal than others. For example, if someone working for Barclays Bank loved their job and manager and then conditions changed, their manager changed, they stopped enjoying it and decided to move to an opportunity elsewhere for another bank with arguably more prospects for career progression - would we have such a negative viewpoint on that?
Could he have handled it better? Yes, no doubt. But we don’t know the whole facts. It’s a player’s employment at the end of the day and they are entitled to move if no longer happy for whatever reason. I’ve heard some horror stories over the years at football clubs which have an impact on players wellbeing, happiness etc and that led to a move, whereas the media and sometimes fans without the full story portray them as a traitor.
I like PB - I think he was great for us albeit very frustrating at times. He has the tools to be a top player, I hope he fulfils that potential.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 30, 2019 17:54:35 GMT 1
I think it was his attitude in his latter days at Town that people chose to "castigate" Billing. Totally unprofessional and arrogant IMHO of course Exactly, I've defended him on here a few times up to the last few months. The attack on his gaffer in the press ended it for me. Not seeking to defend Billing mate.. some of it appears indefensible.. but what were the quotes about JS that caused so much outrage? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:02:51 GMT 1
Exactly, I've defended him on here a few times up to the last few months. The attack on his gaffer in the press ended it for me. Not seeking to defend Billing mate.. some of it appears indefensible.. but what were the quotes about JS that caused so much outrage? Found this. ‘[Siewert has] a real German mentality, a little strange,’ he told Danish website Bold.dk. ‘He came in as if he had won the Premier League five times, a little arrogant, and I think most people lost respect for him after a week’s time. People could see there was something wrong. He almost tried too hard. ‘He came out after the games and blamed the players for losing matches. Which of course is, but normal coaches would come out and try to protect their own players. ‘He did not really do that, and that went on for a little while, so you could sense that everyone did not really support him.’ |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 30, 2019 18:08:59 GMT 1
Not seeking to defend Billing mate.. some of it appears indefensible.. but what were the quotes about JS that caused so much outrage? Found this. ‘[Siewert has] a real German mentality, a little strange,’ he told Danish website Bold.dk. ‘He came in as if he had won the Premier League five times, a little arrogant, and I think most people lost respect for him after a week’s time. People could see there was something wrong. He almost tried too hard. ‘He came out after the games and blamed the players for losing matches. Which of course is, but normal coaches would come out and try to protect their own players. ‘He did not really do that, and that went on for a little while, so you could sense that everyone did not really support him.’ Ok .. so I'll play devils advocate... the guy who shares this gets hated on. The guy who appears to have come crashbangwalloping in , falling out with a considerable number of his staff within a week or so, is lauded for his no nonsense methods.. who's the bad guy ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:11:14 GMT 1
The players were short last year. They delivered the worst season in our history (results wise) under two different managers. The fact that Billing thought the manager should stick up for them in the press and downed tools when he didn’t shows what a burk he is. That said, he probably wasn’t alone and it probably typifies the ‘untouchable’ attitude of many a modern footballer.
Good luck to PB but far more gifted players than him have failed due to a poor attitude. I hope he sees the chance he has to become a very good player and doesn’t think he can cruise through games (a la Pogba on many occasions) relying on natural talent without guts, desire and hard graft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:36:25 GMT 1
Found this. ‘[Siewert has] a real German mentality, a little strange,’ he told Danish website Bold.dk. ‘He came in as if he had won the Premier League five times, a little arrogant, and I think most people lost respect for him after a week’s time. People could see there was something wrong. He almost tried too hard. ‘He came out after the games and blamed the players for losing matches. Which of course is, but normal coaches would come out and try to protect their own players. ‘He did not really do that, and that went on for a little while, so you could sense that everyone did not really support him.’ Ok .. so I'll play devils advocate... the guy who shares this gets hated on. The guy who appears to have come crashbangwalloping in , falling out with a considerable number of his staff within a week or so, is lauded for his no nonsense methods.. who's the bad guy ? He went to the press with it, not as though he just moaned about it with family and friends. He knew what was coming next. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 30, 2019 18:44:51 GMT 1
Yeah I know.. I wasn't really fussed what he said personally. Or that he got fined for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:51:11 GMT 1
I am in the camp of good riddance PB .I couldn't care less what he does or doesn't do now he has moved on .
15 million will do very nicely thank you Bournemouth .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:58:48 GMT 1
At least both him and Zanka helped the club claw back a few weeks wages in fines between them.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 30, 2019 21:27:07 GMT 1
Football eh...
The ultimate thing that turns generally sensible and rational blokes into fecking idiots & arguing the toss about a young kid who's shown a bit of spunk...
Ah well, at least those Martians will think twice about invading a place where there's zero logic...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 30, 2019 21:52:48 GMT 1
K Pardon, Towns stadium is a lot bigger and better , why comment ? Are you a secret Billing lover ? If we're being honest with ourselves, our stadium has been a morgue for the majority of the seasons we've played in it, save for the last 3 full house seasons and the occasional big game/play-off game. The one thing that has changed it IMHO, is the South Stand group who campaigned for a proper home end a la the Cowshed. Since we got to the prem though it has become full and vibrant for most games with a loud good atmosphere ! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 30, 2019 22:01:08 GMT 1
If we're being honest with ourselves, our stadium has been a morgue for the majority of the seasons we've played in it, save for the last 3 full house seasons and the occasional big game/play-off game. The one thing that has changed it IMHO, is the South Stand group who campaigned for a proper home end a la the Cowshed. Since we got to the prem though it has become full and vibrant for most games with a loud good atmosphere ! Yes, which is why I stated the points above (highlighted in bold). You either need to drink more/less of that Blonde Ale, or have your electronics taken away from you... |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jul 30, 2019 22:07:25 GMT 1
Any farewell comments on his social media?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 30, 2019 22:08:04 GMT 1
Since we got to the prem though it has become full and vibrant for most games with a loud good atmosphere ! Yes, which is why I stated the points above (highlighted in bold). You either need to drink more/less of that Blonde Ale, or have your electronics taken away from you... How very dare you ! Our stadium is a top footy arena. The best beer is pride of pendle ! |
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Post by zoso on Jul 30, 2019 22:14:34 GMT 1
Yes, which is why I stated the points above (highlighted in bold). You either need to drink more/less of that Blonde Ale, or have your electronics taken away from you... How very dare you ! Our stadium is a top footy arena. The best beer is pride of pendle !  Jesus wept! |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 30, 2019 22:54:23 GMT 1
Found this. ‘[Siewert has] a real German mentality, a little strange,’ he told Danish website Bold.dk. ‘He came in as if he had won the Premier League five times, a little arrogant, and I think most people lost respect for him after a week’s time. People could see there was something wrong. He almost tried too hard. ‘He came out after the games and blamed the players for losing matches. Which of course is, but normal coaches would come out and try to protect their own players. ‘He did not really do that, and that went on for a little while, so you could sense that everyone did not really support him.’ Ok .. so I'll play devils advocate... the guy who shares this gets hated on. The guy who appears to have come crashbangwalloping in , falling out with a considerable number of his staff within a week or so, is lauded for his no nonsense methods.. who's the bad guy ? It doesn’t matter, your boss picked the bloke to be your manager. You just get on with your job and the rest will sort itself out. PB making the comment that he came in like he had won the PL 5 times was just immature. PB doesn’t realise that he acted just the same, downed tools like he had won the PL once(hello Leicester). It was up to PB to prove his manager wrong, yet all he did in the end was prove him right and it ended up costing PB and the club. |
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Post by SN0W on Jul 31, 2019 11:15:33 GMT 1
Any farewell comments on his social media?  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2019 11:41:08 GMT 1
Ok .. so I'll play devils advocate... the guy who shares this gets hated on. The guy who appears to have come crashbangwalloping in , falling out with a considerable number of his staff within a week or so, is lauded for his no nonsense methods.. who's the bad guy ? It doesn’t matter, your boss picked the bloke to be your manager. You just get on with your job and the rest will sort itself out. PB making the comment that he came in like he had won the PL 5 times was just immature. PB doesn’t realise that he acted just the same, downed tools like he had won the PL once(hello Leicester). It was up to PB to prove his manager wrong, yet all he did in the end was prove him right and it ended up costing PB and the club. I get all that . All I'm saying is I'm more bothered about a rookie manager going in shouting n balling n ostracising a third of the first team squad * than I am someone commenting about it . That maybe just me but it's my opinion *if true |
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Post by wigster on Jul 31, 2019 11:48:39 GMT 1
Can't quite understand the level of vitriol and depth of dislike aimed at young Phil. He certainly had a laid back style to his play - some say that made him look lazy but the stats - distance covered, tackles etc - suggest otherwise. I wish him well and, certainly in financial terms, the club has done marvellously from him.
I think we could all name several Town players that we've bought recently that we are going to have to sell at a loss, or can't get rid of - some we loaned out unsuccessfully and others still haven't staked a regular place near the first team.
People seem to be giving him a large part of the blame for our awful season last year. Certainly towards the end of the season he did not help and I would not condone his going public with his criticism of Jan Siewert (I think, and I may be wrong as I have no idea at all what went on behind the scenes, he was only saying what a lot of Town players felt, allegedly - we all heard the rumours from Schindler downwards).
There are certainly other people I would blame more for our pathetic giving up of Premier League status and I would start with David Wagner - signs contract then very very soon decides he will be leaving/buying players for a system he then doesn't use/ ultra negative defensive football/ loss of our "identity" from the Spurs match onwards etc etc. Many of the players (new signing and usual offenders), as well as and even more than Billing, did not contribute.
All in all he had his faults certainly but, for me, I wish him well and thank him for some excellent performances. Some of our current squad, who are still defended on here, have contributed a bloody site less in the last two years than Philip Billing did and we're not going to get £15m for them - as has been said we'll either sell them at a loss or have to subsidise their wages/pay them off if other clubs do acquire them. Those other clubs hardly seem to be rushing to get them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:52:03 GMT 1
Good for you. But I didn't question someone's achievement in their chosen profession based on the ground capacity of the club they choose to play for. Is that not the same as saying that a nurse at HRI has achieved less than one who works at LGI ? Your original point didn't question whether he was wise to fall out with the club, only belittled his ambition for choosing to go a club with small crowds even though they are an established Premier league club. I’m not questioning, merely stating “Bournemouth!” Really? Established PL side or not, I bet when all this stared he didn’t dream of a move to Bournemouth. If he’d conducted himself in a proper manner then who knows but you can imagine that it put off some of the bigger clubs. I’d probably say that a surgeon working at St James”s or Christie’s has achieved more than someone working at HRI, there is alway a hierarchy in terms of where you ply your trade. Good employees generally get recognised and rewarded / promoted or leave for better positions, which is essentially what PB has done in going to an established PL side but back to my point, I bet he didn’t dream of that move. He dreamt of a top 10 prem side and that’s exactly what he got. Football is about money nowadays. Bournemouth have it and they’re riding high because of it. Perhaps not the most glamorous move but a perfect stepping stone to a bigger club may happen soon if he starts this season like last but finds the net instead of the bar a few times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 11:54:14 GMT 1
I think it was his attitude in his latter days at Town that people chose to "castigate" Billing. Totally unprofessional and arrogant IMHO of course Exactly, I've defended him on here a few times up to the last few months. The attack on his gaffer in the press ended it for me. I generally agreed with and sympathised with Billing’s comments in the press about Jan. I felt he was out of his depth moving from a reserve team coach to leading a premier league team and he his initial approach was out of step with modern management, where like or not, the player is king. Billing was no hero but he was cutting it at that level and should’ve been respected accordingly. Jan did the same thing with Mooy and he was left out a few times. The best managers get their best players on the pitch fighting for the cause. If that isn’t happening it’s ultimately the manager at fault. That’s why they get sacked so easily while players are seemingly bulletproof. It’s certainly not ‘right’ but it’s how football and things like the movie industry work. The film stars or footballers are too important. If the actors don’t like the director they ship a new one in and that’s how football has become these days. The days of a Cloughie type figure coming into a team of winners (which is what our squad were relatively speaking (they’d survived in the Premier league) are the stuff of football folklore, not a working method that would wags today. (Arguably it didn’t work then either) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 12:00:16 GMT 1
Can't quite understand the level of vitriol and depth of dislike aimed at young Phil. He certainly had a laid back style to his play - some say that made him look lazy but the stats - distance covered, tackles etc - suggest otherwise. I wish him well and, certainly in financial terms, the club has done marvellously from him. I think we could all name several Town players that we've bought recently that we are going to have to sell at a loss, or can't get rid of - some we loaned out unsuccessfully and others still haven't staked a regular place near the first team. People seem to be giving him a large part of the blame for our awful season last year. Certainly towards the end of the season he did not help and I would not condone his going public with his criticism of Jan Siewert (I think, and I may be wrong as I have no idea at all what went on behind the scenes, he was only saying what a lot of Town players felt, allegedly - we all heard the rumours from Schindler downwards). There are certainly other people I would blame more for our pathetic giving up of Premier League status and I would start with David Wagner - signs contract then very very soon decides he will be leaving/buying players for a system he then doesn't use/ ultra negative defensive football/ loss of our "identity" from the Spurs match onwards etc etc. Many of the players (new signing and usual offenders), as well as and even more than Billing, did not contribute. All in all he had his faults certainly but, for me, I wish him well and thank him for some excellent performances. Some of our current squad, who are still defended on here, have contributed a bloody site less in the last two years than Philip Billing did and we're not going to get £15m for them - as has been said we'll either sell them at a loss or have to subsidise their wages/pay them off if other clubs do acquire them. Those other clubs hardly seem to be rushing to get them. Combination of football tribal mentality, the desire or need to scapegoat someone and be a focus of fans’ understandable bitterness at the embarrassment that was last season. At the end of the day Phil Billing’s responsibilities are too himself, just like any other player and person in history. Players that stayed with us over the years did so because it suited them to do so. Not because of loyalty. Funny how no-one (except me) ever slammed Pilkington for his behaviour. He made his name with us, we got him fully fit after terrible injury. The moment he was fit again he forced a move and we got a sum roughly a fifth of what he was worth. Virtually no recriminations from fans about that. Why? Because he was English or just popular as a player. Roberts had a much bigger impact than him but isn’t remembered as fondly. Fans have selective memories and selective players they like and don’t like. ‘‘Twas ever thus. |
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Post by In sooth- - on Jul 31, 2019 12:38:35 GMT 1
Has anyone thought that his agent may have been behind all of this. Agents don`t give a toss about clubs. They are solely concerned in lining their own pockets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 13:02:01 GMT 1
It doesn’t matter, your boss picked the bloke to be your manager. You just get on with your job and the rest will sort itself out. PB making the comment that he came in like he had won the PL 5 times was just immature. PB doesn’t realise that he acted just the same, downed tools like he had won the PL once(hello Leicester). It was up to PB to prove his manager wrong, yet all he did in the end was prove him right and it ended up costing PB and the club. I get all that . All I'm saying is I'm more bothered about a rookie manager going in shouting n balling n ostracising a third of the first team squad * than I am someone commenting about it . That maybe just me but it's my opinion *if true when you have been in a Warnock and Horton dressing room towns would be quite by comparison.im sure lessons will have been learned on both sides. its nothing new.Ian greaves took no prisoners either. its about getting the balance and delivering your message. its a fine line |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2019 13:08:18 GMT 1
I get all that . All I'm saying is I'm more bothered about a rookie manager going in shouting n balling n ostracising a third of the first team squad * than I am someone commenting about it . That maybe just me but it's my opinion *if true when you have been in a Warnock and Horton dressing room towns would be quite by comparison.im sure lessons will have been learned on both sides. its nothing We live in a different time Positive this isn't the 1990s. Whether we like it or not the player is now king. A lot of the job of a premier league manager is mollycoddling egos. I bet you a pound to a penny Warnocks managerial style is a lot different now to in 1995. It's about getting people on your side and wanting to work for you. Throwing teacups is becoming redundant . The manager showed his inexperience imo |
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Post by hthtafs on Jul 31, 2019 13:12:13 GMT 1
£10m plus add ons is approx £5m more than I thought we would get for him once the standoff with the club had developed... should have been sold in January.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2019 13:14:44 GMT 1
£10m plus add ons is approx £5m more than I thought we would get for him once the standoff with the club had developed... should have been sold in January. Even though it isn't 10m plus add ons Its more |
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