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Post by imissmarcus on Feb 2, 2019 19:39:42 GMT 1
I honestly can't understand why people aren't more fucked off? We've thrown away the golden ticket with little effort, and we'll never see these times again, yet no one seems particularly arsed. Just loads of cap-doffing and it was nice while it lasted. Bizarre defeatist attitude. I'm fuming every week. I don't thin we've thrown away the golden ticket fop. We've missed the obvious goalscorer, but we've had a difficult season with some rotten luck, injuries that killed our ability to play a settled side etc. Not hiding the fact we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, but it's clearly one of those seasons that thankfully only come along every few yrs. Just that we're suffering it on the big stage, in the full glare of the spotlight... I'm not being defeatist, happy clapper, I'm pissed off but trying to look at some context. On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this.
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Post by willo on Feb 2, 2019 19:42:32 GMT 1
Watched a fair bit of the PNE v Derby game last night. PNE should have won, Derby reminded me of a team that's dining out on some sort of past glory... The atmosphere sounded shocking though. I think we'll be OK next season... As long as the supporters stay with the club... I watched the PNE v Derby game too - it was end to end. Wilson hitting the woodwork twice for Derby - once with his right foot once with his left, a player who is prepared to shoot, something we have been lacking all season. The the second half belonged to PNE - how they didn't score I will never know. The thing was it was a really enjoyable game - I've sort of missed that even competitive game when either side is capable of winning. We might do okay next season, whatever, I'm looking forward to it none the less - I might just have given up on this season!! That said I'm still looking forward to our next game! Same with the leeds v Norwich game on now, real end to end stuff. There’s not enough competition in the PL because the top 6 are virtually unbeatable. Sounds bloody obvious but it is absolutely about who has the most money which in turn allows you to buy the very best players. That leaves the rest to try make a fist of it by shopping in the 2nd tier supermarkets. We’ve been here now, had a taste of it and I’m content to go down, rebuild and have another go somewhere down the line. Equally, I’ll be happy to spend a few seasons in the Championship.
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 2, 2019 19:48:48 GMT 1
I don't thin we've thrown away the golden ticket fop. We've missed the obvious goalscorer, but we've had a difficult season with some rotten luck, injuries that killed our ability to play a settled side etc. Not hiding the fact we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, but it's clearly one of those seasons that thankfully only come along every few yrs. Just that we're suffering it on the big stage, in the full glare of the spotlight... I'm not being defeatist, happy clapper, I'm pissed off but trying to look at some context. On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this. Yes, no professional footballers want to play in the Premier League ...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 2, 2019 19:49:03 GMT 1
I don't thin we've thrown away the golden ticket fop. We've missed the obvious goalscorer, but we've had a difficult season with some rotten luck, injuries that killed our ability to play a settled side etc. Not hiding the fact we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, but it's clearly one of those seasons that thankfully only come along every few yrs. Just that we're suffering it on the big stage, in the full glare of the spotlight... I'm not being defeatist, happy clapper, I'm pissed off but trying to look at some context. On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this. I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, we were always going to be down the bottom end, apologies if I've used the wrong language in that particular sentence... I've re-read it and can see my mistake...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 2, 2019 19:55:17 GMT 1
We spent money but on the wrong players and were down by January If people want to delude that throwing £40m in January would save us then so be it. Personally I think it would cripple us and made a Pompey style collapse possible I’m not enjoying this season but I see it as a step back - we regroup in the summer and try again In the meantime let’s see what some the young fringe players have got before deciding to keep or replace in the summer The trouble is that is it going to be alright in the summer? If we continue plodding along and getting beat each week then you can't just suddenly start winning. All the key players who got us promoted are still under contract - the base is there We will lose some players in the summer but I think we’re flat on confidence rather than a hopeless case The gulf is massive between the PL and championship (shown by Fulham and Cardiff). Take lolley he looked utterly lost at this level but is tearing up the championship. Same can be said of our better championship players who’ve struggled It won’t be easy in the championship but I expect us to be in and around the promotion places
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 19:57:13 GMT 1
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Post by mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours on Feb 2, 2019 19:57:21 GMT 1
On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this. I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, we were always going to be down the bottom end, apologies if I've used the wrong language in that particular sentence... I've re-read it and can see my mistake... You a good swimmer mate I used to be a bin man in Venice Ooooooooooooooo to be a terria
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Post by est1908 on Feb 2, 2019 20:03:38 GMT 1
We spent money but on the wrong players and were down by January If people want to delude that throwing £40m in January would save us then so be it. Personally I think it would cripple us and made a Pompey style collapse possible I’m not enjoying this season but I see it as a step back - we regroup in the summer and try again In the meantime let’s see what some the young fringe players have got before deciding to keep or replace in the summer The trouble is that is it going to be alright in the summer? If we continue plodding along and getting beat each week then you can't just suddenly start winning. Yes, it will. I'm watching Leeds v Norwich now, we'd beat both of them. Currently we are playing against EPL players, we will learn from this...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 2, 2019 20:06:55 GMT 1
Pompey and Sunderland last season were in chaos off the pitch - which we’re not Of the others 2 were mid table and two did well
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Post by est1908 on Feb 2, 2019 20:07:29 GMT 1
So what? We are financially stable and have a great championship squad.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 20:08:17 GMT 1
Pompey and Sunderland last season were in chaos off the pitch - which we’re not Of the others 2 were mid table and two did well Exactly. I thought it was interesting and it shows we should be ok
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Post by aca00js on Feb 2, 2019 20:10:51 GMT 1
But we are going to lose a decent number of our squad, you are looking at potentially losing Zanka, Schindler, Kongolo, Billing and Mooy (only can see Schindler of those with any chance of remaining). That is a huge hole in our squad to replace and then there will be others leave that some on here won't mind but still we are talking about having to bring in replacements.
With the latest attempts at recruitment I'm not that confident we will get that right, especially if the new DOF isn't in place in the next few months.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 20:16:40 GMT 1
But we are going to lose a decent number of our squad, you are looking at potentially losing Zanka, Schindler, Kongolo, Billing and Mooy (only can see Schindler of those with any chance of remaining). That is a huge hole in our squad to replace and then there will be others leave that some on here won't mind but still we are talking about having to bring in replacements. With the latest attempts at recruitment I'm not that confident we will get that right, especially if the new DOF isn't in place in the next few months. Don't worry that young lad Town employ to play Fifa to select our signings will have a few gems up his sleeve
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 2, 2019 20:18:43 GMT 1
So basically what you are saying to get back up is change our name to Sunderland and play in red, white and black?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 2, 2019 20:18:50 GMT 1
But we are going to lose a decent number of our squad, you are looking at potentially losing Zanka, Schindler, Kongolo, Billing and Mooy (only can see Schindler of those with any chance of remaining). That is a huge hole in our squad to replace and then there will be others leave that some on here won't mind but still we are talking about having to bring in replacements. With the latest attempts at recruitment I'm not that confident we will get that right, especially if the new DOF isn't in place in the next few months. Only mooy and Schindler were regulars in the promotion season I agree mooy will go but I’m hopeful on Schindler We also have upgrades who I think will probably stay, lossl for ward, Mounie for Wells, Pritchard for Palmer Others are better players now as well; Hogg, Loewe It won’t be easy but I certainly believe there is plenty of reason for confidence we can go well next time
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 2, 2019 20:22:45 GMT 1
So what? We are financially stable and have a great championship squad. Have we got a great Championship squad? I think some of you will be in for a massive shock next season. There is probably some clubs in the Championship now with better squads than ours. We've been knocked out of both cups this season by average Championship teams, what does that tell you?
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Post by thomo on Feb 2, 2019 20:39:34 GMT 1
We should surely have decent money to splash.
Potentially £30 million in the kitty for transfer fees after player sales alone. Not to mention the parachute payments to attract bigger earners.
A striker will of course swallow a big chunk of it.
Vydra anyone? Or maybe a bid for Dwight Gayle if West Brom get up
Both seem clearly not good enough for the prem but plenty good enough for the championship.
Add this to six or seven of our current squad and we could have a very good team and then it’s down to how good our manager is.
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Post by imissmarcus on Feb 2, 2019 21:13:50 GMT 1
On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this. I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't be down near the foot of the table, we were always going to be down the bottom end, apologies if I've used the wrong language in that particular sentence... I've re-read it and can see my mistake... That makes more sense as thought it was out of tone with the rest of your comment!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 21:16:47 GMT 1
We should surely have decent money to splash. Potentially £30 million in the kitty for transfer fees after player sales alone. Not to mention the parachute payments to attract bigger earners. A striker will of course swallow a big chunk of it. Vydra anyone? Or maybe a bid for Dwight Gayle if West Brom get up Both seem clearly not good enough for the prem but plenty good enough for the championship. Add this to six or seven of our current squad and we could have a very good team and then it’s down to how good our manager is. We won't sign anyone like Gayle because his wages will be ridiculous I think we'll going back to Germany to see what value can be found. It worked for us once and it's working a treat for Norwich
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Post by imissmarcus on Feb 2, 2019 21:19:14 GMT 1
On what basis should we not be down near the foot of the table? What club is less resourced and positioned to compete at this level? Arguably Cardiff, who else? It is one of the great downfalls of an unexpected and premature rise (if anyone disputes our progress since Wagner took over has been both the above you are a fuckwit) that you are then constantly plugging gaps. The squad was not good enough to stay up last year (we overachieved in the first half and got lucky at the end) and the time at this level hasn't been enough to get to the standard to this date. Add in the fact no decent players want to come to Huddersfield and it is an epic battle for recruitment. If somebody can give a list of players we could have signed, could afford to pay, and would actually come to us that would make us compete I'll hold my hands up, I'm yet to hear a vaguely rational alternative to what we have done since here that would have achieved better results. Not that this was the best possible, simply that no alternate plan was any more sure of success, everything we could do needed to be a gamble, sadly we haven't won on this. Yes, no professional footballers want to play in the Premier League ... Go on.... Players town could have afforded, who would have come, who would have made a significant difference. I'll wait.
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Post by sudbury on Feb 2, 2019 21:35:24 GMT 1
workshyfop is right, a lot of supporters have a defeatist attitude which mirrors that of the Board. As I've said before, all season we've been short of two quality players which could have seen us staying up. Once again the Hierarchy have proved themselves lacking in ambition - over the years it's happened several times at Huddersfield Town.
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Post by wigster on Feb 2, 2019 22:12:38 GMT 1
So what? We are financially stable and have a great championship squad. "We have a great Championship squad " - You're totally entitled to your opinion but, seriously, why is it great ? - even assuming we keep everyone and our decent players don't leave. Of todays starting team I would keep Mooy,Schindler,Lossl and Kongolo. Of the squad, I would get rid of - if we can - Kachunga,Flo,Quaner,VLP,Diakhaby, Sobhi,Mbenza,Zanka,Durm, (for fitness reasons),Payne,Mounie,DeP,Hamer - the list is endless. I'd keep Pritchard solely because if he does go I suspect we'll lose a fortune on him. The problem for me is that when we've paid these people off a lot of our parachute payments will be gone. If people like Quaner aren't prepared to drop their wages, and a division or two, we're stuck with them. Seriously 1908 - who in that "great" squad is going to create or score goals? I think our new manager has a massive job on his hands, not only bringing players in, but getting rid of a lot of very well paid mediocrity. They may well take a relegation-pay cut but I suspect they'll still be on a relative fortune.
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Post by alexdire on Feb 2, 2019 22:17:24 GMT 1
But we are going to lose a decent number of our squad, you are looking at potentially losing Zanka, Schindler, Kongolo, Billing and Mooy (only can see Schindler of those with any chance of remaining). That is a huge hole in our squad to replace and then there will be others leave that some on here won't mind but still we are talking about having to bring in replacements. With the latest attempts at recruitment I'm not that confident we will get that right, especially if the new DOF isn't in place in the next few months. Only mooy and Schindler were regulars in the promotion season I agree mooy will go but I’m hopeful on Schindler We also have upgrades who I think will probably stay, lossl for ward, Mounie for Wells, Pritchard for Palmer Others are better players now as well; Hogg, Loewe It won’t be easy but I certainly believe there is plenty of reason for confidence we can go well next time My fear over Schindler is wether he wants to take on another 50+ game season. He looks worn out.
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Post by impact on Feb 2, 2019 22:17:50 GMT 1
So what? We are financially stable and have a great championship squad. Have we got a great Championship squad? I think some of you will be in for a massive shock next season. There is probably some clubs in the Championship now with better squads than ours. We've been knocked out of both cups this season by average Championship teams, what does that tell you? It tells me championship clubs beat our team of mostly 2nd string players in a couple of cup matches. Ie, nothing. Wimbledon knocked West Ham out of the cup. I suppose that says West Ham have a worse squad than the worst side in league 1?
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 2, 2019 22:39:57 GMT 1
Agreed - there's no way of knowing, really.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 2, 2019 22:45:36 GMT 1
The more I see of Mounie the less convinced I become that he would even be threatening in the Championship.
If someone is daft enough to give us £5 million then I'd take it
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 2, 2019 22:46:27 GMT 1
The more I see of Mounie the less convinced I become that he would even be threatening in the Championship. If someone is daft enough to give us £5 million then I'd take it We'll see.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 2, 2019 22:54:25 GMT 1
Only mooy and Schindler were regulars in the promotion season I agree mooy will go but I’m hopeful on Schindler We also have upgrades who I think will probably stay, lossl for ward, Mounie for Wells, Pritchard for Palmer Others are better players now as well; Hogg, Loewe It won’t be easy but I certainly believe there is plenty of reason for confidence we can go well next time My fear over Schindler is wether he wants to take on another 50+ game season. He looks worn out. If he's worn out he's no bloody good to us, it's his job. He shouldn't be worn out, he's a professional sportsman.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 2, 2019 22:57:43 GMT 1
Needs a little break - I'd play Stankovic and let him put his feet up a little on the beach.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 2, 2019 22:58:17 GMT 1
Why does everyone think Mooy will leave?
Don't understand why people think we'll be plundered for the good ones? Firstly, someone has to want them and secondly they might just decide a season where they could get some decent money and enjoyment from (particularly if we're challenging), is more attractive than bench warming in the PL?
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