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Post by softboy on Mar 9, 2019 21:38:30 GMT 1
Seens the manager said to MOTD i dont know why we layed like this ask the players - if true he really needs to resign tomorrow
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Post by impact on Mar 9, 2019 21:43:08 GMT 1
Seens the manager said to MOTD i dont know why we layed like this ask the players - if true he really needs to resign tomorrow How the fuck does he need to resign if that? Ridiculous statement. |
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Post by townrwe on Mar 9, 2019 21:45:36 GMT 1
Seens the manager said to MOTD i dont know why we layed like this ask the players - if true he really needs to resign tomorrow Why. His message on his style of play is clear. The players either aren't good enough to do it, Cant do it, or don't want to do it. The problem is we have a squad that has several in each camp. |
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Post by slackjaw on Mar 9, 2019 21:52:34 GMT 1
It’s pretty clear after today’s shambolic effort that every player doesn’t rate him or respect him,they couldn’t be arsed to run 5 yards for their new boss.
To me he comes across as tactically naive,which you’d expect at 36 but a temperament which is on the edge and wants to hand a bollocking at every opportunity.
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Post by townrwe on Mar 9, 2019 21:58:46 GMT 1
It’s pretty clear after today’s shambolic effort that every player doesn’t rate him or respect him,they couldn’t be arsed to run 5 yards for their new boss. To me he comes across as tactically naive,which you’d expect at 36 but a temperament which is on the edge and wants to hand a bollocking at every opportunity. To be fair... Wagner's nicey nicey approach didn't get much out of the current squad either. Seems to me it's a spreading virus in the squad, probably routed In folk arranging moves, we are all but relegated, it's a lose lose for the gaffer, but at least he gets to see who wants to be involved and playing next year. Some of those not putting the effort In now might find themselves not in the matchday team next year if they cant arrange themselves an agreeable move. |
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Post by softboy on Mar 9, 2019 22:01:35 GMT 1
Saw his comments on the Examiner websitevand once again he blamed the players!!!!
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Post by slackjaw on Mar 9, 2019 22:06:40 GMT 1
It’s pretty clear after today’s shambolic effort that every player doesn’t rate him or respect him,they couldn’t be arsed to run 5 yards for their new boss. To me he comes across as tactically naive,which you’d expect at 36 but a temperament which is on the edge and wants to hand a bollocking at every opportunity. To be fair... Wagner's nicey nicey approach didn't get much out of the current squad either. Seems to me it's a spreading virus in the squad, probably routed In folk arranging moves, we are all but relegated, it's a lose lose for the gaffer, but at least he gets to see who wants to be involved and playing next year. Some of those not putting the effort In now might find themselves not in the matchday team next year if they cant arrange themselves an agreeable move. Fair comment,but after that today I honestly wouldn’t keep one those players,not one! But it’s a huge job for anyone to try and change 15 plus players who don’t want to be here and replace them with players who do,especially when the manager is a rookie |
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Post by mightytj on Mar 9, 2019 22:18:26 GMT 1
Seens the manager said to MOTD i dont know why we layed like this ask the players - if true he really needs to resign tomorrow All you need is a fishing rod you mong |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 22:24:04 GMT 1
Saw his comments on the Examiner websitevand once again he blamed the players!!!! Quite right too, can't really blame the fans can he? |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 9, 2019 22:24:46 GMT 1
Got to remember, these players have had years of a defensive, possession based style whereas Jan is wanting to be much more direct. it will take some time for the players to get out of the habits coached by DW.
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Post by Manx Terrier on Mar 9, 2019 22:27:20 GMT 1
The fans are very much to blame here. The team should always be booed when they come on and booed when they go off. It keeps them up to snuff.
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 9, 2019 22:27:52 GMT 1
You could put Pep in charge of this mob and it would make no difference. Their confidence is shot and they have had all their attacking instincts coached out of them. The only way this will change is when some are sold and fresh faces are brought in to break up this mentally scarred bunch.
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Post by boooothy on Mar 9, 2019 22:40:51 GMT 1
I’m extremely worried about this manager. We have one chance to get back to the Premier League and it will probably never come again in my lifetime.
Some strange team selections and definite drop in effort/workrate.
Maybe we should have appointed him in the summer. Any goodwill and manager bounce will be long gone by the time it really matters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 22:51:52 GMT 1
I’m extremely worried about this manager. We have one chance to get back to the Premier League and it will probably never come again in my lifetime. Some strange team selections and definite drop in effort/workrate. Maybe we should have appointed him in the summer. Any goodwill and manager bounce will be long gone by the time it really matters. If we had appointed him in the summer how would he have been in a position to assess the players? Preseason friendlies perhaps. This way he knows already who's out the door and what he needs to bring in. Give tbe poor sod a chance. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 9, 2019 22:59:17 GMT 1
The internet... Accelerating the death of common sense by the day...
Imagine if the internet had been around when Supermac was our boss...
The loss of perspective and patience on here gets worse, can't wait for the season to end.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 9, 2019 22:59:36 GMT 1
I’m extremely worried about this manager. We have one chance to get back to the Premier League and it will probably never come again in my lifetime. Some strange team selections and definite drop in effort/workrate. Maybe we should have appointed him in the summer. Any goodwill and manager bounce will be long gone by the time it really matters. If we had appointed him in the summer how would he have been in a position to assess the players? Preseason friendlies perhaps. This way he knows already who's out the door and what he needs to bring in. Give tbe poor sod a chance. I hope the hinges on that door are well oiled as it's going to see a lot of action in the summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 23:08:34 GMT 1
If we had appointed him in the summer how would he have been in a position to assess the players? Preseason friendlies perhaps. This way he knows already who's out the door and what he needs to bring in. Give tbe poor sod a chance. I hope the hinges on that door are well oiled as it's going to see a lot of action in the summer. Inevitable, whoever did the job. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 9, 2019 23:08:43 GMT 1
Jan has surely yet to realise that most of these town players lack premier league ability plus a footballing brain which could activate his game plan
Premier means premier ,and really makes me wonder what someone in the club saw to make them think that many of these failing players could make it at the highest level
Just hope our next director of football knows what he is doing as he could be trusted with remaining funds that could include parachute payments.
These payment could be the last chance saloon ,so little or no room for error
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Post by explorer on Mar 9, 2019 23:15:06 GMT 1
I totally agree that appointing an unknown inexperienced manager was a mistake. We should definitely have gone for an experienced type who was used to winning, perhaps an ex-PLwinning manager, like, oh I don’t know....Claudio Ranieri? He could surely have turned it round for a team in the bottom three???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 23:22:54 GMT 1
Jan has surely yet to realise that most of these town players lack premier league ability plus a footballing brain which could activate his game plan Premier means premier ,and really makes me wonder what someone in the club saw to make them think that many of these failing players could make it at the highest level Just hope our next director of football knows what he is doing as he could be trusted with remaining funds that could include parachute payments. These payment could be the last chance saloon ,so little or no room for error Yep, we need 25 quality players... Shouldn't be a problem. |
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Post by mrscribbs on Mar 9, 2019 23:27:48 GMT 1
Siewert has been in charge for seven games - in that time he appears to have already lost the players , dropping Mooy and Prichard in early games to dent their confidence , playing Bacuna out of position ,weird selection/non selection of Grant etc . He claims he plays an attacking 4-3-3 but we have not seen this in fact it is difficult to see any continuity of either tactics or personnel. People seem to be happy to blame Wagner and say he coached attacking instinct out of the players but this is simply unfair - he got far more out of the players and got them far more organised than Siewert has done . The performances today , last week against Brighton and against Newcastle were probably the worst of the season in terms of almost raising a white flag of  . The last minute winner against Wolves bought him lots of supporters but we have managed a massive 2 goals in his 7 games in charge and didn't manage to create a single chance at home to a side who have lost their last 8 games away. Why people want to give someone more time and the purse strings in the summer based on his record to date is beyond me - he appears tactically naive with minimal man management skills. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Mar 9, 2019 23:29:08 GMT 1
I said it a long time ago... due to the situation he could be under serious pressure at the end of the season. Might have been better to leave Hudson in charge and appointed him at the end of the season. Hard for him as this squad is rank with a losing mentality. I do however question what credentials he had to get a premier league job. Concerned by team and substitute selections. He wasn’t given a premier league job. He was given a Championship job. |
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Post by midlander on Mar 9, 2019 23:42:24 GMT 1
Can't believe some the absolute garbage, knee-jerk nonsense that gets posted on here. If you cannot see that the manager is trying things out, using these games to assess what he has to work with, then I'm at a loss. He has come in to a squad devoid of any confidence and lacking in quality for this level. A squad used to playing a slow-paced game and where wingers had become largely redundant. Siewert wants to play quick football with pacy widmen. He is left with two pacy widmen, both of whom he loses almost immediately. 11 days ago, these players pulled out a very impressive performance in beating Wolves. A win based on aggressive and high tempo battling. 11 days later he has lost the squad?? What a load of bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 23:43:14 GMT 1
Siewert has been in charge for seven games - in that time he appears to have already lost the players , dropping Mooy and Prichard in early games to dent their confidence , playing Bacuna out of position ,weird selection/non selection of Grant etc . He claims he plays an attacking 4-3-3 but we have not seen this in fact it is difficult to see any continuity of either tactics or personnel. People seem to be happy to blame Wagner and say he coached attacking instinct out of the players but this is simply unfair - he got far more out of the players and got them far more organised than Siewert has done . The performances today , last week against Brighton and against Newcastle were probably the worst of the season in terms of almost raising a white flag of . The last minute winner against Wolves bought him lots of supporters but we have managed a massive 2 goals in his 7 games in charge and didn't manage to create a single chance at home to a side who have lost their last 8 games away. Why people want to give someone more time and the purse strings in the summer based on his record to date is beyond me - he appears tactically naive with minimal man management skills. Amazing isn't it, we've still gained more points in the last seven games than we mustered in Wagners last ten games. |
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 9, 2019 23:44:57 GMT 1
The problem we will have is that the players we don't want will be hard to move on. Even with a 'drop division/drop pay' clause they will still be on good money that they will find hard to get elsewhere. That could leave little room for new blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 23:58:04 GMT 1
The problem we will have is that the players we don't want will be hard to move on. Even with a 'drop division/drop pay' clause they will still be on good money that they will find hard to get elsewhere. That could leave little room for new blood. Most will want to play football, expect some will go on loan. There will be plenty of room imo. Incidentally a lot will find the Championship a better level for their ability anyway. |
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Post by mightytj on Mar 9, 2019 23:58:41 GMT 1
Siewert has been in charge for seven games - in that time he appears to have already lost the players , dropping Mooy and Prichard in early games to dent their confidence , playing Bacuna out of position ,weird selection/non selection of Grant etc . He claims he plays an attacking 4-3-3 but we have not seen this in fact it is difficult to see any continuity of either tactics or personnel. People seem to be happy to blame Wagner and say he coached attacking instinct out of the players but this is simply unfair - he got far more out of the players and got them far more organised than Siewert has done . The performances today , last week against Brighton and against Newcastle were probably the worst of the season in terms of almost raising a white flag of . The last minute winner against Wolves bought him lots of supporters but we have managed a massive 2 goals in his 7 games in charge and didn't manage to create a single chance at home to a side who have lost their last 8 games away. Why people want to give someone more time and the purse strings in the summer based on his record to date is beyond me - he appears tactically naive with minimal man management skills. You’ve figured that out in seven games? Wow priceless |
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Post by oldhamhtfc on Mar 10, 2019 0:14:30 GMT 1
some people on here are wankers,give the guy a chance.the way i look at it,he is treating these games as friendlies,and trying to find what he as in his squad.he wasnt enployed for this season,we were down anyway,jesus christ couldnt have kept them up.look to next season.patience
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Post by wigster on Mar 10, 2019 0:18:14 GMT 1
The problem we will have is that the players we don't want will be hard to move on. Even with a 'drop division/drop pay' clause they will still be on good money that they will find hard to get elsewhere. That could leave little room for new blood. Most will want to play football, expect some will go on loan. There will be plenty of room imo. Incidentally a lot will find the Championship a better level for their ability anyway. A lot will want to play football Coddington BUT more will not want to lose money - even with the supposed 40% drop in wages (is this figure definite or just rumour?) I suspect the likes of VLP,Quaner, Mounie,Flo,Kachunga, Pritchard (especially)will be offered nothing like what they're on with us - no Premier/top Championship club will want them so either they'll stay or, more likely, we'll pay them off/subsidise moves which will cost a lot of money. Hope I'm wrong and these players are snapped up... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 0:36:00 GMT 1
Most will want to play football, expect some will go on loan. There will be plenty of room imo. Incidentally a lot will find the Championship a better level for their ability anyway. A lot will want to play football Coddington BUT more will not want to lose money - even with the supposed 40% dop in wages (is this figure definite or just rumour?) I suspect the likes of VLP,Quaner, Mounie,Flo,Kachunga, Pritchard (especially)will be offered nothing like what they're on with us - no Premier/top Championship club will want them so either they'll stay or, more likely, we'll pay them off/subsidise moves which will cost a lot of money. Hope I'm wrong and these players are snapped up... Why would we not want the likes of Pritchard, Kachunga, etc playing? The Championship could be ideal, at the risk of ridicule even Mounie could blossom. Pritchard along with Mooy we could struggle to hold onto anyway. |
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