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Post by mrbluesky on Mar 10, 2019 11:53:43 GMT 1
Did he actually criticise individual players yesterday such as Billing or Pritchard? Somewhere in my mind is an image of him patting Pritchard on the back after the game. It could be my mind playing tricks, but I'm sure he patted Mounie on the back as he was subbed too. Yeh cause Mounie had an outstanding game didn't he ...... It was a kick up his arse he needed
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Post by ACW on Mar 10, 2019 11:56:04 GMT 1
It could be my mind playing tricks, but I'm sure he patted Mounie on the back as he was subbed too. Yeh cause Mounie had an outstanding game didn't he ...... It was a kick up his arse he needed I wouldn't disagree about his performance - he was poor - just making the point that Jan is not just all about blaming the players and criticising (and possibly alienating them). He does show support too.
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Post by mrbluesky on Mar 10, 2019 12:04:30 GMT 1
Yeh cause Mounie had an outstanding game didn't he ...... It was a kick up his arse he needed I wouldn't disagree about his performance - he was poor - just making the point that Jan is not just all about blaming the players and criticising (and possibly alienating them). He does show support too. Ok mate , got ya....... Personally I'm just not feeling it with Siewart
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Post by willo on Mar 10, 2019 12:19:22 GMT 1
Things have gone from bad to worse whilst Hoyle has been ill. We were left with a club being run by the ex CEO of a bottom of League 2 club that is on the verge of going bust who only had one choice for our new manager who was from a German lower league side. We shouldn’t really be surprised at the result. We need a complete and utter clearout of playing staff, as many as we can get rid of. The only ones I’d be happy to keep would be Schindler, Hogg, Smith, Grant, Lossl, Lowe and Kongolo (if he’d stay). Right now, I can see the squad being this: Lossl, Coleman Smith, Durm, Lowe, Flo Schindler, Zanka Bacuna Hogg Stankovic Pritchard VLP Kachunga Sabiri Diakhaby Grant Mounie Then Payne and O'brien to come back. It's a decent starting point. But we need a full back, 2 centre halves, 2 ball playing centre mids, 1 or 2 wingers, an attacking mid and 2 strikers. That's a lot of players before we have any sort of real clear out. I simply don't see how we can afford to do that, both on a cost basis and in finding players who are better than we already have I’ve no doubt there’ll be some wholesale changes in the summer with the playing staff but not everybody can or will leave. For example, Kongolo only signed last summer, probably on a 3 year deal(?), he won’t be going anywhere unless we get back at least what we paid for him. Still think we’d get the thick end of £35m if we could offload Billing, Mounie, Zanka & Flo though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 12:19:32 GMT 1
Sorry if it's posted elsewhere but could Hogg have "had the captaincy taken off him" because he's injured and could miss a large part of the rest of the season ? Jan intimated as such when he made Schindler captain. "My captain needs to be playing." Or words to that effect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 12:26:06 GMT 1
Half of the posters are just wasting time being on here, why aren’t you employed as recruitment scouts? You seem to know so much already about our new manager, out of his depth, no idea, all over the place.... The lad has a squad with a losing mentality, already resigned to defeat. He’s mixing it up by playing 2 up top, giving youth a go but still it’s not good enough for some of you. What should he have done, carried on playing exactly how we were near Wagners end? That would have have gone down well wouldn’t it. He is trying to eat at The Ivy with a tenner in his pocket. Just look at the bench yesterday to see how weak we are for this division. Next season will answer what type of manager is. correct and as you say some on here are too early to judge but that's fans for you they have a right to there opinions but we move on
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 12:42:14 GMT 1
While JS may have hugged Pritchard yesterday - he also sidelined him for the first month not even putting him in the first 18!
I don’t think Pritchard will have forgotten that and would have had the feelers out for a move ... I know I would if I’d have been him as would 95% on here
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Post by impact on Mar 10, 2019 12:43:58 GMT 1
Right now, I can see the squad being this: Lossl, Coleman Smith, Durm, Lowe, Flo Schindler, Zanka Bacuna Hogg Stankovic Pritchard VLP Kachunga Sabiri Diakhaby Grant Mounie Then Payne and O'brien to come back. It's a decent starting point. But we need a full back, 2 centre halves, 2 ball playing centre mids, 1 or 2 wingers, an attacking mid and 2 strikers. That's a lot of players before we have any sort of real clear out. I simply don't see how we can afford to do that, both on a cost basis and in finding players who are better than we already have I’ve no doubt there’ll be some wholesale changes in the summer with the playing staff but not everybody can or will leave. For example, Kongolo only signed last summer, probably on a 3 year deal(?), he won’t be going anywhere unless we get back at least what we paid for him. Still think we’d get the thick end of £35m if we could offload Billing, Mounie, Zanka & Flo though. You won't get 35m for those 4. Mooy, Kongolo and Billing should get that amount though. Flo will still be here, and may do well in the championship tbh where defending seems to be an afterthought. Zanka will either stay or we'll recoup the couple of million we paid out. Won't be much, if any, more than that. Mounie - who'd want him? Seriously? 5m at most.
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Post by sudbury on Mar 10, 2019 12:51:21 GMT 1
Whatever system we were playing yesterday, worryingly, for both Bournemouth's goals we didn't have enough players back defending, resulting in them being able to walk through us.
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Post by loumacari on Mar 10, 2019 12:53:39 GMT 1
Whatever system we were playing yesterday, worryingly, for both Bournemouth's goals we didn't have enough players back defending, resulting in them being able to walk through us. This is caused by the only real tactical change Siewert’s has made, naively throwing more men forward into the opposition’s half/box.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 12:55:28 GMT 1
While JS may have hugged Pritchard yesterday - he also sidelined him for the first month not even putting him in the first 18! I don’t think Pritchard will have forgotten that and would have had the feelers out for a move ... I know I would if I’d have been him as would 95% on here A footballer bearing grudges for missing a couple of games wouldn't last two minutes in the professional game. Remember that grin from ear to ear when Jan grabbed him round the neck and lifted him off his feet following the Wolves game? No way is he that precious.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 12:57:56 GMT 1
While JS may have hugged Pritchard yesterday - he also sidelined him for the first month not even putting him in the first 18! I don’t think Pritchard will have forgotten that and would have had the feelers out for a move ... I know I would if I’d have been him as would 95% on here A footballer bearing grudges for missing a couple of games wouldn't last two minutes in the professional game. Remember that grin from ear to ear when Jan grabbed him round the neck and lifted him off his feet following the Wolves game? No way is he that precious. Disagree when a new guy comes in and you’re nowhere near the first 11 in his thinking it’s time to think about a move - same in any walk of life He may be hugging him now but pound to penny Prichard had his agent seeing what was out there when he was ostracised from the team
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 10, 2019 12:59:42 GMT 1
Bizarrely if players are putting themselves in the shop window they're not making a particularly good sales pitch as they amble around the pitch looking uninterested and making schoolboy errors.
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Post by ponteterrier on Mar 10, 2019 13:02:40 GMT 1
I don't think we're in a position to properly judge the situation yet. Personally I think JS should be given until at least October in the Championship to see if there is anything in him. He needs time to get in "his" kind of players, clear the dead wood and install his attacking philosophy.
The players need to show some professionalism, they all like DWs charming, charismatic approach but it seems they don't appreciate JS's directness. It says more about the players than Jan.
We were never going to turn this ship around from relegation. We all knew the destination before DW left, even the players knew it. We all know their heads went back in Dec/Jan. Truth is, no-one would have been able to keep us up, I doubt even pep would. We never addressed our prowess in front of goal. Jan gets the summer to sort this for next season.
We are returning to a league more suited to our current squad, people forget that we over achieved last season. Yes we should have used last summer to invest wisely in the summer, we didn't, we missed our target. Shit happens
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:07:18 GMT 1
A footballer bearing grudges for missing a couple of games wouldn't last two minutes in the professional game. Remember that grin from ear to ear when Jan grabbed him round the neck and lifted him off his feet following the Wolves game? No way is he that precious. Disagree when a new guy comes in and you’re nowhere near the first 11 in his thinking it’s time to think about a move - same in any walk of life He may be hugging him now but pound to penny Prichard had his agent seeing what was out there when he was ostracised from the team Maybe he's a bit more grown up than that. No pun intended. Pritchard might not have been impressing the boss in training during that two game spell, he sure is now.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 10, 2019 13:09:57 GMT 1
I don't think we're in a position to properly judge the situation yet. Personally I think JS should be given until at least October in the Championship to see if there is anything in him. He needs time to get in "his" kind of players, clear the dead wood and install his attacking philosophy. The players need to show some professionalism, they all like DWs charming, charismatic approach but it seems they don't appreciate JS's directness. It says more about the players than Jan. We were never going to turn this ship around from relegation. We all knew the destination before DW left, even the players knew it. We all know their heads went back in Dec/Jan. Truth is, no-one would have been able to keep us up, I doubt even pep would. We never addressed our prowess in front of goal. Jan gets the summer to sort this for next season. We are returning to a league more suited to our current squad, people forget that we over achieved last season. Yes we should have used last summer to invest wisely in the summer, we didn't, we missed our target. Shit happens I agree with most of what you say but struggle with the 'overachieving' last season bit. A season of 38 games is long enough to produce an accurate result and in the end we were good enough to finish where we did and out of the relegation zone.
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Post by ACW on Mar 10, 2019 13:11:49 GMT 1
I wouldn't disagree about his performance - he was poor - just making the point that Jan is not just all about blaming the players and criticising (and possibly alienating them). He does show support too. Ok mate , got ya....... Personally I'm just not feeling it with Siewart Fair enough, you can only say as you feel. We haven't seen the upturn in performances under Siewart as we did when DW came in, but is it fair to expect it, given the circumstances? The perceived lack of effort from some players is a concern, as is the playing of some in wrong positions, but I am prepared to give the new manager time. This season is a write off, and Jan needs to use it to see who is on board and who isn't. Those that aren't on board need to go - no matter how good they are. Our success has been based on team spirit and togetherness - we need to get that back somehow. We can afford to have uncommitted players involved. Siewart has a really tough job in front of him, but he needs our support. He's young and inexperienced, but this situation might be the making of him. It might be too much for him too, but only time will tell. I just hope we give him a fair crack of the whip and give him the support he needs to reshape our side for the Championship.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 13:12:07 GMT 1
Disagree when a new guy comes in and you’re nowhere near the first 11 in his thinking it’s time to think about a move - same in any walk of life He may be hugging him now but pound to penny Prichard had his agent seeing what was out there when he was ostracised from the team Maybe he's a bit more grown up than that. No pun intended. Pritchard might not have been impressing the boss in training during that two game spell, he sure is now. Not about being grown up it’s about feeling wanted - a basic human emotion - and Pritchard clearly wasn’t wanted for the first month Everyone has a different idea to line management and that’s fine. From the outside to me it looks like JS isn’t getting this right and demonstrably on the pitch a lot of players looked half arsed yesterday ... and we’re talking lads who’ve previously dug in for Wagner. Anyway I’m sure he’s handed them all there arses again today and no doubt there’ll be 8 changes for the next game. Just not sure it’s the best approach though to a group totally flat on confidence
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Post by ponteterrier on Mar 10, 2019 13:19:20 GMT 1
I don't think we're in a position to properly judge the situation yet. Personally I think JS should be given until at least October in the Championship to see if there is anything in him. He needs time to get in "his" kind of players, clear the dead wood and install his attacking philosophy. The players need to show some professionalism, they all like DWs charming, charismatic approach but it seems they don't appreciate JS's directness. It says more about the players than Jan. We were never going to turn this ship around from relegation. We all knew the destination before DW left, even the players knew it. We all know their heads went back in Dec/Jan. Truth is, no-one would have been able to keep us up, I doubt even pep would. We never addressed our prowess in front of goal. Jan gets the summer to sort this for next season. We are returning to a league more suited to our current squad, people forget that we over achieved last season. Yes we should have used last summer to invest wisely in the summer, we didn't, we missed our target. Shit happens I agree with most of what you say but struggle with the 'overachieving' last season bit. A season of 38 games is long enough to produce an accurate result and in the end we were good enough to finish where we did and out of the relegation zone. Maybe. We did well in the first half of the season. But we scrapped by in the second, having to get draws away at Man city ans Chelsea. We did the business but used up all our luck there and then. Someone could argue that there was the beginning of the end for us. The birth of 5 at the back for DW which he then rigidly stuck to at the start of this season
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Post by ponteterrier on Mar 10, 2019 13:21:54 GMT 1
Maybe he's a bit more grown up than that. No pun intended. Pritchard might not have been impressing the boss in training during that two game spell, he sure is now. Not about being grown up it’s about feeling wanted - a basic human emotion - and Pritchard clearly wasn’t wanted for the first month Everyone has a different idea to line management and that’s fine. From the outside to me it looks like JS isn’t getting this right and demonstrably on the pitch a lot of players looked half arsed yesterday ... and we’re talking lads who’ve previously dug in for Wagner. Anyway I’m sure he’s handed them all there arses again today and no doubt there’ll be 8 changes for the next game. Just not sure it’s the best approach though to a group totally flat on confidence I think he should have come in at the end of the season when we were down. Started a fresh, new regime etc. As opposed to how you have said it. Him stomping his rule and authority on players who lack confidence
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Post by rantinray on Mar 10, 2019 14:38:12 GMT 1
He is using Wagners players and Wagner couldn't get any results so why do we think the new guy will do better at the moment? Wagner was using Chris Powell’s players and immediately produced an identity and some performances. I think you may find that Wagner added quite a few of his own players to strengthen the team. Players which didn't feature.
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Post by royrace on Mar 10, 2019 14:41:37 GMT 1
Not about being grown up it’s about feeling wanted - a basic human emotion - and Pritchard clearly wasn’t wanted for the first month Everyone has a different idea to line management and that’s fine. From the outside to me it looks like JS isn’t getting this right and demonstrably on the pitch a lot of players looked half arsed yesterday ... and we’re talking lads who’ve previously dug in for Wagner. Anyway I’m sure he’s handed them all there arses again today and no doubt there’ll be 8 changes for the next game. Just not sure it’s the best approach though to a group totally flat on confidence I think he should have come in at the end of the season when we were down. Started a fresh, new regime etc. As opposed to how you have said it. Him stomping his rule and authority on players who lack confidence I think the timing was fine, if his man management isn’t really working now it wouldn’t next season. the club ought to be looking for some positive signs from him, I’ve not noticed many personally but they’ll have their own ideas too. Continuity was key, seems to me he’s already decided he wants to get rid of half the squad And bring his own players in. We might be looking for a new manager at the end of the season at this rate.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 10, 2019 14:43:57 GMT 1
Not about being grown up it’s about feeling wanted - a basic human emotion - and Pritchard clearly wasn’t wanted for the first month Everyone has a different idea to line management and that’s fine. From the outside to me it looks like JS isn’t getting this right and demonstrably on the pitch a lot of players looked half arsed yesterday ... and we’re talking lads who’ve previously dug in for Wagner. Anyway I’m sure he’s handed them all there arses again today and no doubt there’ll be 8 changes for the next game. Just not sure it’s the best approach though to a group totally flat on confidence I think he should have come in at the end of the season when we were down. Started a fresh, new regime etc. As opposed to how you have said it. Him stomping his rule and authority on players who lack confidence The last bit is the key. Players are low on confidence, take away the first 10 games of lost seasion and we have been in relegation form ever since. Not sure we should expect JS to come in and a magic wand. Particularly with having to find the solutions in the most Unforgiving league in the world
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 10, 2019 15:04:09 GMT 1
Whatever system we were playing yesterday, worryingly, for both Bournemouth's goals we didn't have enough players back defending, resulting in them being able to walk through us. This is caused by the only real tactical change Siewert’s has made, naively throwing more men forward into the opposition’s half/box. On the other hand, how many on here were saying "don't mind losing, but would rather lose trying to win"? I think there a most of our squad will look OK in the Championship, especially after a the last couple of years.
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Post by rantinray on Mar 10, 2019 15:10:24 GMT 1
This is caused by the only real tactical change Siewert’s has made, naively throwing more men forward into the opposition’s half/box. On the other hand, how many on here were saying "don't mind losing, but would rather lose trying to win"? I think there a most of our squad will look OK in the Championship, especially after a the last couple of years. We all have opinions and they are neither right or wrong. I feel we will struggle in the Championship. My worry is as it has been for many seasons is the lack of goals and attempts on goal. I had been hoping that we would have remained in the Premiership and consolidated our position year on year. Mid table would have suited me. As we are all aware money is the issue, you either have bucket loads or a spoon full.
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Post by explorer on Mar 10, 2019 15:22:22 GMT 1
This is caused by the only real tactical change Siewert’s has made, naively throwing more men forward into the opposition’s half/box. On the other hand, how many on here were saying "don't mind losing, but would rather lose trying to win"? I think there a most of our squad will look OK in the Championship, especially after a the last couple of years. We have struggled to find a way of attacking without leaving ourselves horribly exposed at the back for the last two seasons, and we are still no nearer sorting it out. Bournemouth, like most PL teams, break with pace and power, and there were a couple of times yesterday when the right pass would have seen them through again with two-men overloads and our full back nowhere to be seen. We can’t handle this due to a lack of pace (excluding Kongolo) and smarts. Nor do we ever find ourselves in the positions B’Muff created yesterday as we don’t attack with pace or purpose. Maybe next season when we have dumped the technically- better slowcoaches for some confident speedy youngsters we will see a bit more attacking flare which in turn keeps the opposition pinned back a bit and wary of pushing too many men up. Well, that is my hope anyway!
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Post by drumriggend on Mar 10, 2019 16:09:02 GMT 1
On the other hand, how many on here were saying "don't mind losing, but would rather lose trying to win"? I think there a most of our squad will look OK in the Championship, especially after a the last couple of years. We have struggled to find a way of attacking without leaving ourselves horribly exposed at the back for the last two seasons, and we are still no nearer sorting it out. Bournemouth, like most PL teams, break with pace and power, and there were a couple of times yesterday when the right pass would have seen them through again with two-men overloads and our full back nowhere to be seen. We can’t handle this due to a lack of pace (excluding Kongolo) and smarts. Nor do we ever find ourselves in the positions B’Muff created yesterday as we don’t attack with pace or purpose. Maybe next season when we have dumped the technically- better slowcoaches for some confident speedy youngsters we will see a bit more attacking flare which in turn keeps the opposition pinned back a bit and wary of pushing too many men up. Well, that is my hope anyway! Bang on there bro.. Teams are quite happy for us to have the majority of the possession... They know we can't score.. Our forwards dont have the skill or invention to create or score.. Pritchard.. Kachunga.. Mounie.. Depoitre.. Puncheon.. Not good enough in the premier league.. Siewert needs Diakaby and Mbenza to play his system.. If we get those 2 fit again after the international break.. Then we may get the front 3 of Diakaby grant Mbenza.. Genuine pace there.. Hopefully we can then see how we might be able to play the siewert way.. Its all a mish mash at the moment..
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Post by sonny on Mar 10, 2019 16:34:21 GMT 1
To have any chance with a novice manager there had to be a major clear out on his arrival. Siewert has inherited a group of disenchanted, demoralised players accustomed to losing matches in the dressing room and who owe him nothing. There were probably a few honest toilers ready to give him a chance but he has made some peculiar selections (Mooy benched, Hogg as an advanced midfielder), there is no consistent pattern of play and his public comments have increasingly suggested naivety and exasperation. With no pedigree as player or manager the appeals and bollockings will be shrill, desperate and achieve nothing apart from sniggering and whispers. Even Wagner apparently got nowhere with the likes of Lynch and Vaughan. The idea that these awful, meaningless matches would be a useful pre-season is nonsense. You don't need 15 matches to work out that Hogg will run his bollocks off and Billing won't. He will be starting next season with a core of the dross who will still be with us because no one will want to match their contracts (even allowing for relegation clauses) and who don't rate Siewert. Incoming players will no doubt pick up on this. A real shame that we didn't make a temporary appointment. If it was good enough for Man Utd it just might have been right for HTFC - and eventually Jan Siewert.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 10, 2019 17:13:57 GMT 1
Agree. Somebody (Dean Hoyle) needs to be really strong to sort this all out in the Summer.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 10, 2019 18:13:02 GMT 1
Yet another shambles of a thread.
The amount of clueless, knowledge-less tripe that gets typed on this forum is staggering in the extreme.
Unfuckingbelieveble
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