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Post by willo on Mar 10, 2019 1:07:25 GMT 1
Jury’s still very much out on the new manager but not helped judging certainly from today’s performances by some players that would rather be elsewhere. If we can offload Billing, Mounie & Zanka in the summer and rake in say £30-£35m (possibly add in Pritchard and call it £40-£45m), fight hard to keep Lossl, Schindler, Mooy & Hogg - would think most of the others would stay - throw in the parachute money and spend monies wisely and we will do ok next season. There are concerns we may not pick up another point between now and the end of the season but is it because confidence is shot, too many have downed tools or simply that we aren’t good enough? Probably a little of everything. Can’t really blame Jan for laying into the players and I’m a little surprised some sections of the crowd haven’t yet turned, as much down to apathy as anything else I suspect. DW tried the softly softly approach to no avail. What can any manager say to get through to these players? Bloody frustrating just playing out the season week in, week out.
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Post by mrbluesky on Mar 10, 2019 1:45:16 GMT 1
Jan is not happy. Again... He speaks like a fan that has won a competition to become a manager . he is miles away from being ready to manage a premier league team and a championship team ( yep feel free to dig out this thread if we win promotion under him as I will say sorry and of course be delighted but I will be Father Christmas before this happens) The current players ( who are not all bad) have just not taken to him , he is miles away from being technically and tactically ready for this level and the players know it , to overcome his short falls he is giving it the " my players must fight - this is not my way " bullshit ....... Old school from a young out of his depth coach crap I'm afraid that should never have been put in this position. |
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Post by golcarexile on Mar 10, 2019 4:43:12 GMT 1
What's most worrying, is how quickly we've lost the element that played such a big part in getting us to the Premier League in the first place. We've gone from having a team spirit, togetherness, and put your body on the line for the cause attitude that was the envy of the league, to what we witnessed yesterday, in 6 months. I know that losing every week doesn't help, but I just can't shake the feeling that it runs deeper than that. Wagner's departure as well. Without that x-factor we'll struggle to compete even at Championship level. Players like Hef and Danny Ward may not be Premier League quality, but what they brought to the dressing room cannot be quantified. I hope that when recruiting in summer, whoever is in charge has this at the forefront of their thinking.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Mar 10, 2019 5:15:40 GMT 1
The reality is a league 1 club would put up more of a fight.
We dont have a TEAM. Look how Warnock has galvanised the shite that is Cardiff.
Thats is managing, creating a dressing room on a limited budget.
The club blithely called it Terrier Spirit...how quickly that spirit evaporated.
Too many big-time Charlies. Too many pointless signings, not enough quality signed.
It was clear early season when we were backpassing from advanced free-kicks that the verve had gone.
Mounie and De Potro were never good enough...so stop playing them now and let Grant have a go.
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Post by herby57 on Mar 10, 2019 5:28:59 GMT 1
The reality is a league 1 club would put up more of a fight. We dont have a TEAM. Look how Warnock has galvanised the shite that is Cardiff. Thats is managing, creating a dressing room on a limited budget. The club blithely called it Terrier Spirit...how quickly that spirit evaporated. Too many big-time Charlies. Too many pointless signings, not enough quality signed. It was clear early season when we were backpassing from advanced free-kicks that the verve had gone. Mounie and De Potro were never good enough...so stop playing them now and let Grant have a go. I pretty much agree with everything you say there Oti. I like Siewerts attitude in not massaging any egos and dropping players for youth if they can't be arsed. He's polishing a turd right now, hopefully he'll bring players in who will play for the shirt, and get rid of the ones who can't put a shift in. |
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Post by oldhamhtfc on Mar 10, 2019 7:21:34 GMT 1
The reality is a league 1 club would put up more of a fight. We dont have a TEAM. Look how Warnock has galvanised the shite that is Cardiff. Thats is managing, creating a dressing room on a limited budget. The club blithely called it Terrier Spirit...how quickly that spirit evaporated. Too many big-time Charlies. Too many pointless signings, not enough quality signed. It was clear early season when we were backpassing from advanced free-kicks that the verve had gone. Mounie and De Potro were never good enough...so stop playing them now and let Grant have a go. I pretty much agree with everything you say there Oti. I like Siewerts attitude in not massaging any egos and dropping players for youth if they can't be arsed. He's polishing a turd right now, hopefully he'll bring players in who will play for the shirt, and get rid of the ones who can't put a shift in. agreed with most of this,jan is looking at next season,just seeing who he has on his books.play with the formation give the kids a chance.sure in myself there are too many fans on here who only jumped on the wagon since we got to the prem,its time for you to jump off.fuck off back to the hole you came from[you know who you are]go back to supporting manure.you havent got a clue about football |
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Post by Floyds on Mar 10, 2019 7:57:51 GMT 1
He’s a 36 year old from Germany’s fourth division and he’s in charge of a Premier League club and then a major rebuild and a season in the Championship.
He doesn’t stand a chance, especially without a Director of Football.
I reckon he’ll do well to make it through September.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 8:33:42 GMT 1
Not calling for JS out - that’s ridiculous - but worrying signs
I’m underwhelmed by his man management to date. He’s taking statement decisions and sacrificing the wrong characters. Dropping Mooy was bizarre, Loewe also getting benched and changing captain with no solid explanation - I need leaders all over the pitch or some tosh - it was a statement that he’s the boss but it risks undermining smith and Hogg
Take Mooy he’s no prima Donna but dropping him hasn’t exactly seen him kick on - in fact at Brighton he wasn’t his usual self. So the decision looks demotivating
He should be winning over the big characters, especially the leaders as he needs them to get everyone onboard (Wagner knew this with Hudson and whitehead).
Then you have another side the dressing room who have probably checked out mentally
Then you have puncheon and whatever happened there
You need strong characters here and JS is doing things which might piss all ours off
JS then put ALL the blame on the players yesterday despite him picking a bad formation and leaving a rookie centre midfielder out of position to handle Fraser and daniel with no support as we played a diamond so Daniel could bomb on at will and bacuna was typically isolated versus Fraser - we set up very wrong and that’s on JS
Then to say yesterday ALL the players let them down again is unfair on people like Pritchard and lossl - but he tars them all which will annoy the ones still trying
To take zero responsibility is weak man management and will further alienate him (everyone’s had those types of line manager) - contrast to Wagner who always shouldered blame even in the early days
It’s not impressive man management from JS I’m afraid and it was apparent players/ employees aren’t with him based on yesterday - a bad state less than two months in the role
JS may get shouty or cross again but he did that last week and we played worse yesterday - so he’s played that card now
It’s a very worrying trend
And that’s before we talk about all the muscle injuries that players are getting!
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 10, 2019 9:43:13 GMT 1
Half of the posters are just wasting time being on here, why aren’t you employed as recruitment scouts?
You seem to know so much already about our new manager, out of his depth, no idea, all over the place....
The lad has a squad with a losing mentality, already resigned to defeat. He’s mixing it up by playing 2 up top, giving youth a go but still it’s not good enough for some of you. What should he have done, carried on playing exactly how we were near Wagners end? That would have have gone down well wouldn’t it.
He is trying to eat at The Ivy with a tenner in his pocket. Just look at the bench yesterday to see how weak we are for this division.
Next season will answer what type of manager is.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 10, 2019 9:57:57 GMT 1
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Siewert and the players hold their inquest at Canalside this morning. Things ain’t right, that’s for sure.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 10, 2019 10:04:05 GMT 1
The reality is a league 1 club would put up more of a fight. We dont have a TEAM. Look how Warnock has galvanised the shite that is Cardiff. Thats is managing, creating a dressing room on a limited budget. The club blithely called it Terrier Spirit...how quickly that spirit evaporated. Too many big-time Charlies. Too many pointless signings, not enough quality signed. It was clear early season when we were backpassing from advanced free-kicks that the verve had gone. Mounie and De Potro were never good enough...so stop playing them now and let Grant have a go. Look how Warnock has galvanised that shite at Cardiff? That's probably what they were saying about us when DW took over and our record signing back then was £1.8m... Plenty of sensible fans, like that bloke from Stoke were saying the 2nd season is often more difficult and here we are. We survived still just about to riding the  of a  last season, but the gulf in class & the fact we're not a club who will follow the ethos of the PL by spending a truckful on a single player has seen us struggle, compounded in the main by our shocking drop in form by the strikers. The problem with this piss poor run is that people are forgetting the first few games when the woodwork was the difference. The number of those had a mental effect on the team (particularly Mounie), aided by half a dozen crap decisions and the die was cast. I'll maintain that we're not as crap a side as many claim, we've just not had any luck whatsoever this season, which isn't the norm. We're not a great side, but the pts total doesn't tell the whole story & which is why it's a mental battle over the summer. The team need to somehow try like hell to start that process in these last few games... |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 10:08:49 GMT 1
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Siewert and the players hold their inquest at Canalside this morning. Things ain’t right, that’s for sure. Trouble is when some players grumble about it after that meeting can you see smith, Hogg etc pulling them to task or merely just walking off Previously I’d have expected them to step in but now I wouldn’t be shocked if it the later because why would you stick your neck out when you’ve just had the captaincy taken for no good reason and you don’t owe a thing to the new man - just human nature So the grumbling will continue rather than getting nipped in the bud I may be wrong but when you want to shake things up you can’t needlessly alienate potentially important voices |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 10, 2019 10:15:00 GMT 1
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Siewert and the players hold their inquest at Canalside this morning. Things ain’t right, that’s for sure. Trouble is when some players grumble about it after that meeting can you see smith, Hogg etc pulling them to task or merely just walking off Previously I’d have expected them to step in but Now I wouldn’t be shocked if it the later because why would you stick your neck out when you’ve just had the captaincy taken for no good reason and you don’t owe a thing to the new man I may be wrong but when you want to shake things up you can’t needlessly alienate potentially important voices I don’t disagree with you. I’ve got concerns with JS, but he’s only been here eight weeks or so, the players need to look at themselves. I think Mark Hudson is going to be a very important middleman in all of this. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 10, 2019 10:18:16 GMT 1
Trouble is when some players grumble about it after that meeting can you see smith, Hogg etc pulling them to task or merely just walking off Previously I’d have expected them to step in but Now I wouldn’t be shocked if it the later because why would you stick your neck out when you’ve just had the captaincy taken for no good reason and you don’t owe a thing to the new man I may be wrong but when you want to shake things up you can’t needlessly alienate potentially important voices I don’t disagree with you. I’ve got concerns with JS, but he’s only been here eight weeks or so, the players need to look at themselves. I think Mark Hudson is going to be a very important middleman in all of this. Fully agree it’s too early to decide but it’s a concern Also agree Hudson is massive in terms of winning buy in to the new man |
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Post by loumacari on Mar 10, 2019 10:23:36 GMT 1
I don’t disagree with you. I’ve got concerns with JS, but he’s only been here eight weeks or so, the players need to look at themselves. I think Mark Hudson is going to be a very important middleman in all of this. Fully agree it’s too early to decide but it’s a concern Also agree Hudson is massive in terms of winning buy in to the new man The problem is Hudson is also massively inexperienced. I don’t doubt that he’s got the potential to be a useful go-between but what’s missing is tactical nous to make us start to look threatening and there’s no evidence of it so far (lack of players or not). Constantly criticising players in public will alienate him from the squad and whilst certain players like Billing were a disgrace yesterday, others like Pritchard put in a serious shift. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 10:30:29 GMT 1
Fully agree it’s too early to decide but it’s a concern Also agree Hudson is massive in terms of winning buy in to the new man The problem is Hudson is also massively inexperienced. I don’t doubt that he’s got the potential to be a useful go-between but what’s missing is tactical nous to make us start to look threatening and there’s no evidence of it so far (lack of players or not). Constantly criticising players in public will alienate him from the squad and whilst certain players like Billing were a disgrace yesterday, others like Pritchard put in a serious shift. Did he actually criticise individual players yesterday such as Billing or Pritchard? Somewhere in my mind is an image of him patting Pritchard on the back after the game. |
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Post by argyleterrier on Mar 10, 2019 10:31:35 GMT 1
I thought I would just take a quick glance back at what happened at the end of the 15/16 season when Wagner took over. Last ten games of that season:
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I am not sure that counts as a ground breaking upturn in fortune in that season, yet we all know how that turned out.
Psychology is so important in sport. The players have been losing for two years now - told continuously they can't score - subject to that god awful shoooooooottttt sound from the crowd whenever they are withing 50yds of the goal. It is little wonder this season is now whimpering. If you sack every manager when they take over and cannot immediately turn a sinking ship then you become like every other club. If you stick by your values, the philosophy you are trying to instil and a willingness to try a different way then you are Dean Hoyle and Huddersfield Town.
I've bought my season ticket along with my boy and am looking forward to seeing what Jan can do with his own players, those that want to stay and a fresh start in the Championship.
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Post by k1man999 on Mar 10, 2019 10:45:02 GMT 1
I thought I would just take a quick glance back at what happened at the end of the 15/16 season when Wagner took over. Last ten games of that season: LWLLDWDDLL I am not sure that counts as a ground breaking upturn in fortune in that season, yet we all know how that turned out. Psychology is so important in sport. The players have been losing for two years now - told continuously they can't score - subject to that god awful shoooooooottttt sound from the crowd whenever they are withing 50yds of the goal. It is little wonder this season is now whimpering. If you sack every manager when they take over and cannot immediately turn a sinking ship then you become like every other club. If you stick by your values, the philosophy you are trying to instil and a willingness to try a different way then you are Dean Hoyle and Huddersfield Town. I've bought my season ticket along with my boy and am looking forward to seeing what Jan can do with his own players, those that want to stay and a fresh start in the Championship. Agree to a point but at least you could see a style an identity a glimpse into what was gonna happen, granted not promotion but a way of playing a togetherness developing. I too have my SC for next year and want Jan to do well because that means my club is doing well, but I'm finding it hard to warm to him and see exactly what he is doing |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 10, 2019 10:50:20 GMT 1
I thought I would just take a quick glance back at what happened at the end of the 15/16 season when Wagner took over. Last ten games of that season: LWLLDWDDLL I am not sure that counts as a ground breaking upturn in fortune in that season, yet we all know how that turned out. Psychology is so important in sport. The players have been losing for two years now - told continuously they can't score - subject to that god awful shoooooooottttt sound from the crowd whenever they are withing 50yds of the goal. It is little wonder this season is now whimpering. If you sack every manager when they take over and cannot immediately turn a sinking ship then you become like every other club. If you stick by your values, the philosophy you are trying to instil and a willingness to try a different way then you are Dean Hoyle and Huddersfield Town. I've bought my season ticket along with my boy and am looking forward to seeing what Jan can do with his own players, those that want to stay and a fresh start in the Championship. This post, from someone who's heart lies with Plymouth Argyle. Puts some of our supporters to shame... Thanks for the balanced post, as ever... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 10, 2019 11:04:46 GMT 1
I thought I would just take a quick glance back at what happened at the end of the 15/16 season when Wagner took over. Last ten games of that season: LWLLDWDDLL I am not sure that counts as a ground breaking upturn in fortune in that season, yet we all know how that turned out. Psychology is so important in sport. The players have been losing for two years now - told continuously they can't score - subject to that god awful shoooooooottttt sound from the crowd whenever they are withing 50yds of the goal. It is little wonder this season is now whimpering. If you sack every manager when they take over and cannot immediately turn a sinking ship then you become like every other club. If you stick by your values, the philosophy you are trying to instil and a willingness to try a different way then you are Dean Hoyle and Huddersfield Town. I've bought my season ticket along with my boy and am looking forward to seeing what Jan can do with his own players, those that want to stay and a fresh start in the Championship. Agree to a point but at least you could see a style an identity a glimpse into what was gonna happen, granted not promotion but a way of playing a togetherness developing. I too have my SC for next year and want Jan to do well because that means my club is doing well, but I'm finding it hard to warm to him and see exactly what he is doing Wagner came into a club that was middling at best, taking over from a Mgr who wasn't a bad bloke, but his heart wasn't with the club, it was back in the South... He brought about instant changes in training regimes and probably knew he had to do something drastically different to stand any chance of acceptance. It's no surprise that we'll draw comparisons, but JS might need to be cut more slack than DW, simply because the circumstances are arguably different. He's joined a club that aren't middling. He's taken over one that competitively are better, or should be better than the one DW took over, but the PL spotlight and our dire form don't allow for any context. I agree that there's not that much wrong at the club. DW transformed the club, supported by DH, so what would you change, other than the mindset of the players and a handful of personnel changes? It's not like he's inherited something that's totally rudderless or un-structured, as it seemed to be under Powell and a couple of his predecessors. He's inherited something where the rudder is just fecking jammed and we're circling around needing to get it fixed and plot the new course ahead... We're not that bad folks, we're really not. Football is a lifetime of ups and downs, if DW did anything wrong he created a perception for some fans that we were set for life in the PL. That was never going to be the case. You have to keep faith with the club and their judgment with these appointments, sometimes it will work, sometimes not & then there's halcyon days like the first 2 full seasons under DW. JS has some big shoes to fill, give the bloke time... |
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Post by argyleterrier on Mar 10, 2019 11:06:38 GMT 1
I thought I would just take a quick glance back at what happened at the end of the 15/16 season when Wagner took over. Last ten games of that season: LWLLDWDDLL I am not sure that counts as a ground breaking upturn in fortune in that season, yet we all know how that turned out. Psychology is so important in sport. The players have been losing for two years now - told continuously they can't score - subject to that god awful shoooooooottttt sound from the crowd whenever they are withing 50yds of the goal. It is little wonder this season is now whimpering. If you sack every manager when they take over and cannot immediately turn a sinking ship then you become like every other club. If you stick by your values, the philosophy you are trying to instil and a willingness to try a different way then you are Dean Hoyle and Huddersfield Town. I've bought my season ticket along with my boy and am looking forward to seeing what Jan can do with his own players, those that want to stay and a fresh start in the Championship. Agree to a point but at least you could see a style an identity a glimpse into what was gonna happen, granted not promotion but a way of playing a togetherness developing. I too have my SC for next year and want Jan to do well because that means my club is doing well, but I'm finding it hard to warm to him and see exactly what he is doing I think I saw a glimpse of what he was trying to achieve against Arsenal where Diakhaby went from looking like he had never kicked a football to being a total thorn in the side of Arsenal. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 10, 2019 11:10:39 GMT 1
He’s a 36 year old from Germany’s fourth division and he’s in charge of a Premier League club and then a major rebuild and a season in the Championship. He doesn’t stand a chance, especially without a Director of Football. I reckon he’ll do well to make it through September. Hopefully the board will show a bit more patience than some on here. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 10, 2019 11:12:25 GMT 1
The problem is Hudson is also massively inexperienced. I don’t doubt that he’s got the potential to be a useful go-between but what’s missing is tactical nous to make us start to look threatening and there’s no evidence of it so far (lack of players or not). Constantly criticising players in public will alienate him from the squad and whilst certain players like Billing were a disgrace yesterday, others like Pritchard put in a serious shift. Did he actually criticise individual players yesterday such as Billing or Pritchard? Somewhere in my mind is an image of him patting Pritchard on the back after the game. It could be my mind playing tricks, but I'm sure he patted Mounie on the back as he was subbed too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 11:14:26 GMT 1
He’s a 36 year old from Germany’s fourth division and he’s in charge of a Premier League club and then a major rebuild and a season in the Championship. He doesn’t stand a chance, especially without a Director of Football. I reckon he’ll do well to make it through September. Hopefully the board will show a bit more patience than some on here. Speaking of the board, I notice Dean Hoyle is no longer behind glass. Sat in his usual seat yesterday. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 10, 2019 11:18:03 GMT 1
Jan has surely yet to realise that most of these town players lack premier league ability plus a footballing brain which could activate his game plan Premier means premier ,and really makes me wonder what someone in the club saw to make them think that many of these failing players could make it at the highest level Just hope our next director of football knows what he is doing as he could be trusted with remaining funds that could include parachute payments. These payment could be the last chance saloon ,so little or no room for error Yep, we need 25 quality players... Shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't it be great to live such a simple life 🤣🙈 |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 10, 2019 11:24:59 GMT 1
Things have gone from bad to worse whilst Hoyle has been ill. We were left with a club being run by the ex CEO of a bottom of League 2 club that is on the verge of going bust who only had one choice for our new manager who was from a German lower league side. We shouldn’t really be surprised at the result.
We need a complete and utter clearout of playing staff, as many as we can get rid of. The only ones I’d be happy to keep would be Schindler, Hogg, Smith, Grant, Lossl, Lowe and Kongolo (if he’d stay).
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Post by impact on Mar 10, 2019 11:36:53 GMT 1
Things have gone from bad to worse whilst Hoyle has been ill. We were left with a club being run by the ex CEO of a bottom of League 2 club that is on the verge of going bust who only had one choice for our new manager who was from a German lower league side. We shouldn’t really be surprised at the result. We need a complete and utter clearout of playing staff, as many as we can get rid of. The only ones I’d be happy to keep would be Schindler, Hogg, Smith, Grant, Lossl, Lowe and Kongolo (if he’d stay). Right now, I can see the squad being this: Lossl, Coleman Smith, Durm, Lowe, Flo Schindler, Zanka Bacuna Hogg Stankovic Pritchard VLP Kachunga Sabiri Diakhaby Grant Mounie Then Payne and O'brien to come back. It's a decent starting point. But we need a full back, 2 centre halves, 2 ball playing centre mids, 1 or 2 wingers, an attacking mid and 2 strikers. That's a lot of players before we have any sort of real clear out. I simply don't see how we can afford to do that, both on a cost basis and in finding players who are better than we already have |
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Post by Galpharmer on Mar 10, 2019 11:40:58 GMT 1
He’s a 36 year old from Germany’s fourth division and he’s in charge of a Premier League club and then a major rebuild and a season in the Championship. He doesn’t stand a chance, especially without a Director of Football. I reckon he’ll do well to make it through September. Spot on this. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 10, 2019 11:44:32 GMT 1
I have said it plenty of times, Siewert has absolutely no chance with this group. He needs to build a spirit with those staying and support for next season.....
Now!
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Post by wigster on Mar 10, 2019 11:51:57 GMT 1
Sorry if it's posted elsewhere but could Hogg have "had the captaincy taken off him" because he's injured and could miss a large part of the rest of the season ?
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last season, but the gulf in class & the fact we're not a club who will follow the ethos of the PL by spending a truckful on a single player has seen us struggle, compounded in the main by our shocking drop in form by the strikers.
