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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jun 17, 2019 19:51:59 GMT 1
I hope we are able to keep Diakhaby because Championship defenses will at best be able to cope with the pace of one of them but I expect if they both play together then at least one of them will behind the opposition frequently. Thats presuming they dont try and nullify it by just camping on the edge of their box  Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 17, 2019 22:14:49 GMT 1
Thats presuming they dont try and nullify it by just camping on the edge of their box Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. These two are like heat seeking missiles with the heat seekers on missing. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jun 17, 2019 23:14:24 GMT 1
Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. These two are like heat seeking missiles with the heat seekers on missing. They do a lot of 'unseen' work. In fact they do naff all. |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 17, 2019 23:21:05 GMT 1
Thats presuming they dont try and nullify it by just camping on the edge of their box Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. You have to break WITH the ball though. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 18, 2019 7:12:53 GMT 1
Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. You have to break WITH the ball though. Maybe our mogadon midfield will manage to pass the ball quicker this season 🤔 |
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Post by royrace on Jun 18, 2019 7:45:13 GMT 1
Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. You have to break WITH the ball though. And know where to stand to receive it, what to do with it when they get it etc etc, not to mention their significant defensive responsibilities in a 433. Jan has lots of work to do to get to the stage when he can start those two. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by specialun on Jun 18, 2019 7:55:00 GMT 1
You have to break WITH the ball though. And know where to stand to receive it, what to do with it when they get it etc etc, not to mention their significant defensive responsibilities in a 433. Jan has lots of work to do to get to the stage when he can start those two. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards How they’ve got to this level without an understanding of defensive responsibility (or even control the ball!) is beyond me I still hope we manage to lose one of them in the summer No chance both can start together barring a miracle in the summer - you could play 1 and have VLP on the other side who you think being the most unlikely person to do so, completely understands his defensive responsibility. I’d start Kachunga over any of these Diakhaby had only started 13 games before we signed him as the man to solve our problems last season. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 18, 2019 8:30:02 GMT 1
What people on here often fail to understand is that players can take a while to settle at new clubs. Listen to the undr the cosh podcasts and many players talk about it. And that's English players moving to other English clubs and feeling insecure amongst a new group of players and the weight of expectation from a transfer fee
These two came from abroad, relatively young, with limited English in to a group of big egos and the expectation of surviving in the Premier League. You could see how nervous they were in the early games that they played.
I'd be shocked if they don't do well this season. They'll be more settled, more senior figures in the dressing room, more confident and playing at an easier level of football. Diakhaby looks the better of the two but I think they'll both have plenty of games where they look too good for this level
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 18, 2019 8:55:22 GMT 1
What people on here often fail to understand is that players can take a while to settle at new clubs. Listen to the undr the cosh podcasts and many players talk about it. And that's English players moving to other English clubs and feeling insecure amongst a new group of players and the weight of expectation from a transfer fee These two came from abroad, relatively young, with limited English in to a group of big egos and the expectation of surviving in the Premier League. You could see how nervous they were in the early games that they played. I'd be shocked if they don't do well this season. They'll be more settled, more senior figures in the dressing room, more confident and playing at an easier level of football. Diakhaby looks the better of the two but I think they'll both have plenty of games where they look too good for this level I really hope you're right, but I ain't seen enough to make me think that's likely. I'd be tempted to persist with one as a bit if a wildcard, but try a recuperate some of the fees by selling the other (not that their strengths and weaknesses are identical). |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 18, 2019 9:07:26 GMT 1
Thats presuming they dont try and nullify it by just camping on the edge of their box Even when they have possession? Our pacy wingers can give us an ability to break at a speed unseen by a Town team during my decades as a fan. Have you seen how some teams play? Think Burnley/Newcastle...they actively dont want posession! I'm not saying it's not a positive and they should have a good impact most of the time. |
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Post by shawsie on Jun 18, 2019 9:24:43 GMT 1
You have to break WITH the ball though. Maybe our mogadon midfield will manage to pass the ball quicker this season 🤔 You mean the one with the best midfield player I've ever seen at this club?! Ive watched Mbenza now both live and on tv - sorry, he doesn't ever want the ball in space to use his pace. No idea of defensive responsibility whatsoever and imho he will be incredibly frustrating next season. One week half decent, the next anonymous, the next shite. I hope I'm wrong, but if we are pinning promotion hopes on him and Diakhaby then this board will be in meltdown come October! |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 18, 2019 9:33:55 GMT 1
Maybe our mogadon midfield will manage to pass the ball quicker this season 🤔 You mean the one with the best midfield player I've ever seen at this club?! Ive watched Mbenza now both live and on tv - sorry, he doesn't ever want the ball in space to use his pace. No idea of defensive responsibility whatsoever and imho he will be incredibly frustrating next season. One week half decent, the next anonymous, the next shite. I hope I'm wrong, but if we are pinning promotion hopes on him and Diakhaby then this board will be in meltdown come October! Nobody's ever going to describe Mooy as dynamic are they, no matter how good he is. The midfield was painfully slow at passing and supporting attacks last season. Your description of Mbenza could go for just about any winger, anywhere. Inconsistency is the nature of the beast. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 18, 2019 13:16:20 GMT 1
The amount of times Mbenza made a run down the wing, or was waiting for a pass on the wing, only to see us piss about across the middle and at the back was frustrating to say the least.
This didn’t help his cause.
He needs some confidence with the ball at his feet which is difficult against any Premier League full back, especially in a team resigned to losing from the off.
Let’s not judge him against Premier League defenders, he obviously isn’t up to that standard, judge him after half a dozen games against Millwall, QPR etc. If he hasn’t cut it then he never will.
I’m not interested in his price tag, same as I’m not interested in Grants. Do the business on the pitch.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jun 22, 2019 10:40:49 GMT 1
He’ll come good this season against poorer teams, will help to build his confidence up, same with the rest of the dejected team members. I’m looking forward to this season and although I don’t expect it, would not be surprised if we end up in the playoffs again.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jun 22, 2019 10:42:25 GMT 1
You mean the one with the best midfield player I've ever seen at this club?! Ive watched Mbenza now both live and on tv - sorry, he doesn't ever want the ball in space to use his pace. No idea of defensive responsibility whatsoever and imho he will be incredibly frustrating next season. One week half decent, the next anonymous, the next shite. I hope I'm wrong, but if we are pinning promotion hopes on him and Diakhaby then this board will be in meltdown come October! Nobody's ever going to describe Mooy as dynamic are they, no matter how good he is. The midfield was painfully slow at passing and supporting attacks last season. Your description of Mbenza could go for just about any winger, anywhere. Inconsistency is the nature of the beast. Mooy clearly switched off this season. He needs to move on, been a good servant and all that, but we need a change in midfield. |
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Post by ritchie on Jun 22, 2019 10:46:34 GMT 1
And know where to stand to receive it, what to do with it when they get it etc etc, not to mention their significant defensive responsibilities in a 433. Jan has lots of work to do to get to the stage when he can start those two. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards How they’ve got to this level without an understanding of defensive responsibility (or even control the ball!) is beyond me I still hope we manage to lose one of them in the summer No chance both can start together barring a miracle in the summer - you could play 1 and have VLP on the other side who you think being the most unlikely person to do so, completely understands his defensive responsibility. I’d start Kachunga over any of these Diakhaby had only started 13 games before we signed him as the man to solve our problems last season. didnt wagner say diakhaby was signed more for the future |
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Post by ritchie on Jun 22, 2019 10:49:40 GMT 1
Nobody's ever going to describe Mooy as dynamic are they, no matter how good he is. The midfield was painfully slow at passing and supporting attacks last season. Your description of Mbenza could go for just about any winger, anywhere. Inconsistency is the nature of the beast. Mooy clearly switched off this season. He needs to move on, been a good servant and all that, but we need a change in midfield. change in midfield by selling the best midfielder ive ever seen in our shirt? not a change id be looking to make |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 22, 2019 16:20:11 GMT 1
Nobody's ever going to describe Mooy as dynamic are they, no matter how good he is. The midfield was painfully slow at passing and supporting attacks last season. Your description of Mbenza could go for just about any winger, anywhere. Inconsistency is the nature of the beast. Mooy clearly switched off this season. He needs to move on, been a good servant and all that, but we need a change in midfield. Aaron Mooy. Simply the best Town midfielder ever. Switched off and needs to move on? Total and utter garbage. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 22, 2019 18:32:39 GMT 1
Mooy clearly switched off this season. He needs to move on, been a good servant and all that, but we need a change in midfield. Aaron Mooy. Simply the best Town midfielder ever. Switched off and needs to move on? Total and utter garbage. Isnt he the one that "slows the play down " ;-) Best town midfielder by a country mile in my 45 years watching |
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Post by arry11 on Jun 22, 2019 18:48:40 GMT 1
Aaron Mooy. Simply the best Town midfielder ever. Switched off and needs to move on? Total and utter garbage. Isnt he the one that "slows the play down " ;-) Best town midfielder by a country mile in my 45 years watching If we get more movement up front we will see more direct passing from Mooy. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 22, 2019 18:50:30 GMT 1
Isnt he the one that "slows the play down " ;-) Best town midfielder by a country mile in my 45 years watching If we get more movement up front we will see more direct passing from Mooy. Totally correct. Mooy looks forward as soon as he receives the ball but if there is no movement ahead of him the priority becomes retaining the ball. |
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jun 22, 2019 19:20:11 GMT 1
If we get more movement up front we will see more direct passing from Mooy. Totally correct. Mooy looks forward as soon as he receives the ball but if there is no movement ahead of him the priority becomes retaining the ball. Or he looks up, see Mbenza (standing offside) and thinks, bollocks I'll go sideways! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 22, 2019 19:32:52 GMT 1
You know something, with these two and the signing of Koroma, with Grant and Brown in the midfield why the hell is Seiwert talking about playing a 433 formation? To me them players seem a more natural fit in a 442 counter attacking style with their pace, Diakhaby and Mbenza's anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 20:16:32 GMT 1
Aaron Mooy. Simply the best Town midfielder ever. Switched off and needs to move on? Total and utter garbage. Isnt he the one that "slows the play down " ;-) Best town midfielder by a country mile in my 45 years watching Barry Horne? |
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Post by htfc1908 on Jun 22, 2019 20:20:51 GMT 1
You know something, with these two and the signing of Koroma, with Grant and Brown in the midfield why the hell is Seiwert talking about playing a 433 formation? To me them players seem a more natural fit in a 442 counter attacking style with their pace, Diakhaby and Mbenza's anyway. Perhaps Jan will be reverting to a more 'fluid' front 3 as we had when Wagner first arrived until we went with more of a target man in Mounie/Le Poitre |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 22, 2019 20:35:56 GMT 1
Isnt he the one that "slows the play down " ;-) Best town midfielder by a country mile in my 45 years watching Barry Horne? Barry Horne , when playing for town , was better than Mooy? Is that what you're saying ? Just out of interest how old were you during that era ? |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 22, 2019 20:51:06 GMT 1
Barry Horne , when playing for town , was better than Mooy? Is that what you're saying ? Just out of interest how old were you during that era ? How pissed is more apt. PS Horne was fantastic. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 22, 2019 20:59:08 GMT 1
Barry Horne , when playing for town , was better than Mooy? Is that what you're saying ? Just out of interest how old were you during that era ? How pissed is more apt. PS Horne was fantistic. Horne was good for us .. but his best days were well behind him . Not as good for us as Mooy imo |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 22, 2019 21:16:35 GMT 1
How pissed is more apt. PS Horne was fantistic. Horne was good for us .. but his best days were well behind him . Not as good for us as Mooy imo Wasn't suggesting that. It's beyond belief just how much some fans don't appreciate the difference in levels. |
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Post by houllierspal on Jun 22, 2019 21:21:49 GMT 1
Mooy definitely best since Jimmy Nicholson imo
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