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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 16, 2019 14:53:11 GMT 1
I think we’ll see another defender in when Zanka goes. A LB might be who we see. And if he doesn't go? Free pints at Christmas? |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 16, 2019 15:00:58 GMT 1
I think we’ll see another defender in when Zanka goes. A LB might be who we see. And if he doesn't go? Then he doesn’t go. Right now in the CB market, McGuire is being touted for a move to one of the big clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a cascading of transfers once that move is made. Zanka has 1 year left, can’t see him staying and worst case he goes after the window closes in England, so we are without a backup until January. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 16, 2019 15:24:40 GMT 1
Then he doesn’t go. Right now in the CB market, McGuire is being touted for a move to one of the big clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a cascading of transfers once that move is made. Zanka has 1 year left, can’t see him staying and worst case he goes after the window closes in England, so we are without a backup until January. Leicester want more than the bin dippers paid for Van Dijk, clearly they've learnt something after getting conned out of £12m for Ward |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 16, 2019 15:35:22 GMT 1
Then he doesn’t go. Right now in the CB market, McGuire is being touted for a move to one of the big clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a cascading of transfers once that move is made. Zanka has 1 year left, can’t see him staying and worst case he goes after the window closes in England, so we are without a backup until January. Leicester want more than the bin dippers paid for Van Dijk, clearly they've learnt something after getting conned out of £12m for Ward Leicester have certainly learned the value of a good player and how to extract that value. The fact that we aren’t willing to take the first offer for Zanka makes me think we see an opportunity to get our asking price. I think McGuire will be the first domino. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 15:39:23 GMT 1
So Wagner bought in all the players bar Bacuna and hired Rebbe and despite the fact we have/had a head of recruitment, a head of football ops and a chief exec Wagner hired the lot of them and made all the decisions. Wagner must have been putting in 24 hour days being head coach plus doing all the scouting, hiring staff, doing due dilligence on new players etc. No wonder he was too stressed to carry on. Its amazing the club gave all that responsibility to one man. I presume you're just being an arse on purpose to get a reaction, but just for fun I'll bite. What PH confirmed last night was that all the signings made last summer we're made with the involvement of DW and he had the final say. The only player that was signed last summer without his involvement was Bacuna. DW obviously didn't do all the work on the transfers, but it was his ultimate decision to sign all the players except for Bacuna. Every transfer is a gamble, you're usually selecting players based on them being successful with another club, with a different coach, perhaps different system, even a different country and/or language. However, to request wingers/wide-men, OK the transfers of the players and then change the system before giving them a chance to play is not the best use of the clubs limited resources to say the least. What’s the implication on Bacuna? Wagner didn’t give him a chance until “close to the end” when he kind of replaced Mooy whilst he was out, once Puncheon had given up. Did we just bring in a relatively experienced (80+ appearances before he joined) player with Wagner not being interested or not feeling he needed him?? Seems bizarre that Bacuna would even sign if the manager hadn’t “wanted” him...although I guess EPL wages make decisions easier. Ridiculous really, bet we’d have finished on more points if Bacuna had been playing instead of for example Billing from day one of the season. Probably not enough to make a difference, but enough to avoid the last 5 months of the season being a complete non event. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 16, 2019 15:44:01 GMT 1
Interesting selective memory errrr Norman. Was previously not a fan but id say Billing was our best player last year till he got injured ..
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Post by crux on Jul 16, 2019 15:55:56 GMT 1
Interesting selective memory errrr Norman. Was previously not a fan but id say Billing was our best player last year till he got injured .. I'd say he was doing well until Mooy got injured and then seemed to go into his shell,before getting injured. On Bacuna, I'm assuming he was signed to go into the backup / development squad. So Wagner didn't necessarily have to OK him - especially if Rebbe was the one who made the decision as we're lead to believe that Wagner wanted Rebbe (who he trusted) as DOF/HFO whichever title it had. Bacuna has so far shown himself to be much better than expected, although he may have to push himself to keep ahead of either Hogg or O'brien as first choice. |
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Post by impact on Jul 16, 2019 16:09:57 GMT 1
Then he doesn’t go. Right now in the CB market, McGuire is being touted for a move to one of the big clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a cascading of transfers once that move is made. Zanka has 1 year left, can’t see him staying and worst case he goes after the window closes in England, so we are without a backup until January. Which could be a disaster. Right now if Kongolo gets injured we look very thin at the back. I get we can't blow loads of money but surely a left back, even on loan, can be done? |
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Post by townatheart on Jul 16, 2019 16:27:05 GMT 1
Interesting selective memory errrr Norman. Was previously not a fan but id say Billing was our best player last year till he got injured .. Perhaps a bit of a stretch, but hard to argue altogether. Certainly the best I have seen of Billing himself. I have been more of a critic in past, but was getting to the point of being a fan. But, given he has a history of up/down performances, leaves some room for doubt. Talent no doubt, however you judge him. |
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Post by bristolterrier on Jul 16, 2019 16:30:56 GMT 1
The psychiatrist made a very good point. Of the field matters were the root of our downfall, not on. The players have the ability to get us straight up again if we get the mentality around the club right.[/b] Winning will sort that out.See. They don't need to employ a Psychiatrist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 16:34:50 GMT 1
Interesting selective memory errrr Norman. Was previously not a fan but id say Billing was our best player last year till he got injured .. I'd say he was doing well until Mooy got injured and then seemed to go into his shell,before getting injured. On Bacuna, I'm assuming he was signed to go into the backup / development squad. So Wagner didn't necessarily have to OK him - especially if Rebbe was the one who made the decision as we're lead to believe that Wagner wanted Rebbe (who he trusted) as DOF/HFO whichever title it had. Bacuna has so far shown himself to be much better than expected, although he may have to push himself to keep ahead of either Hogg or O'brien as first choice. Agree on your perception of Billing (he didn’t get the player of season awards for nothing), I just think we’d have got more across the whole season if we’d brought Bacuna on directly at the start of the season (and not necessarily always a direct swap for Billing, he’s easily capable of playing the Hogg role or whatever it was that we decided Mooy was supposed to be doing last season). Given how Bacuna was introduced (might be wrong but I think he played the first few games at right back?), he didn’t really get into anything like his natural position until well into 2019...and showed within one or two games he was more than capable of meeting the EPL challenge...surprised nobody has seemingly taken a punt on him to be honest. And if you’re right...we should have given Rebbe more leeway to sign players, he obviously could spot them if Bacuna was one for the dev squad! (Would be amazed of O’Brien was considered ahead of him in the pecking order based on what limited view I’ve had of him (unimpressive snippets from friendlies, and gushing reports from Bradford fans earlier last season). |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 16, 2019 16:47:11 GMT 1
If we don't get further cover in the fullback positions, maybe it's the club's view we need to be braver in blooding youngsters and not block pathways or we'll see a quick end to attracting young players from EPL clubs who want a quicker route to first team football.
This may be more feasible whilst we have the likes of Schindler, Hogg, Mooy and in particular Elphick to guide them during the match.
It would obviously be a gamble though!
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Post by CaptainHart on Jul 16, 2019 16:52:06 GMT 1
I'd say he was doing well until Mooy got injured and then seemed to go into his shell,before getting injured. On Bacuna, I'm assuming he was signed to go into the backup / development squad. So Wagner didn't necessarily have to OK him - especially if Rebbe was the one who made the decision as we're lead to believe that Wagner wanted Rebbe (who he trusted) as DOF/HFO whichever title it had. Bacuna has so far shown himself to be much better than expected, although he may have to push himself to keep ahead of either Hogg or O'brien as first choice. Agree on your perception of Billing (he didn’t get the player of season awards for nothing), I just think we’d have got more across the whole season if we’d brought Bacuna on directly at the start of the season (and not necessarily always a direct swap for Billing, he’s easily capable of playing the Hogg role or whatever it was that we decided Mooy was supposed to be doing last season). Given how Bacuna was introduced (might be wrong but I think he played the first few games at right back?), he didn’t really get into anything like his natural position until well into 2019...and showed within one or two games he was more than capable of meeting the EPL challenge...surprised nobody has seemingly taken a punt on him to be honest. And if you’re right...we should have given Rebbe more leeway to sign players, he obviously could spot them if Bacuna was one for the dev squad! (Would be amazed of O’Brien was considered ahead of him in the pecking order based on what limited view I’ve had of him (unimpressive snippets from friendlies, and gushing reports from Bradford fans earlier last season). Bacuna came on as a sub against Watford, Fulham, and Arsenal. Started against Newcastle and Southampton before being dumped by Wagner. Also memorably appeared against Stoke in the EFL cup. |
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Post by bristolterrier on Jul 16, 2019 16:53:46 GMT 1
Then he doesn’t go. Right now in the CB market, McGuire is being touted for a move to one of the big clubs, it wouldn’t surprise me to see a cascading of transfers once that move is made. Zanka has 1 year left, can’t see him staying and worst case he goes after the window closes in England, so we are without a backup until January. Leicester want more than the bin dippers paid for Van Dijk, clearly they've learnt something after getting conned out of £12m for Ward 2009. Ronaldo to Real Madrid £80m 2019. Maguire to Man Utd £80m This money madness will stop one day. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 16, 2019 16:54:12 GMT 1
Agree on your perception of Billing (he didn’t get the player of season awards for nothing), I just think we’d have got more across the whole season if we’d brought Bacuna on directly at the start of the season (and not necessarily always a direct swap for Billing, he’s easily capable of playing the Hogg role or whatever it was that we decided Mooy was supposed to be doing last season). Given how Bacuna was introduced (might be wrong but I think he played the first few games at right back?), he didn’t really get into anything like his natural position until well into 2019...and showed within one or two games he was more than capable of meeting the EPL challenge...surprised nobody has seemingly taken a punt on him to be honest. And if you’re right...we should have given Rebbe more leeway to sign players, he obviously could spot them if Bacuna was one for the dev squad! (Would be amazed of O’Brien was considered ahead of him in the pecking order based on what limited view I’ve had of him (unimpressive snippets from friendlies, and gushing reports from Bradford fans earlier last season). Bacuna came on as a sub against Watford, Fulham, and Arsenal. Started against Newcastle and Southampton before being dumped by Wagner. Also memorably appeared against Stoke in the EFL cup. Scored the goal of the season v Stoke  |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2019 16:55:41 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him.
I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2019 16:57:40 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? The middle part. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2019 16:58:37 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? The middle part. Stop getting all technical on me. |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 16, 2019 17:17:02 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? Just out of interest who have you felt the need to do that over in the past? And not during matches I hope  |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2019 17:22:10 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? Just out of interest who have you felt the need to do that over in the past? And not during matches I hope Maybe a hand in the pocket job over Phil Starfuck, sorry, I mean Starbuck. Very discreet. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 16, 2019 17:28:37 GMT 1
Leicester want more than the bin dippers paid for Van Dijk, clearly they've learnt something after getting conned out of £12m for Ward 2009. Ronaldo to Real Madrid £80m 2019. Maguire to Man Utd £80m This money madness will stop one day. when the premier league clubs have milked the market to such an extent that lower league clubs end up going to the wall as the game at lower levels becomes unsustainable. I have always wondered if that is the Premier Leagues 'endgame' by over-inflating the market. There is so much money at that level that it almost seems it no longer matters. Who cares about the lower leagues when you are in a league which is in effect a license to print money? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:51:25 GMT 1
2009. Ronaldo to Real Madrid £80m 2019. Maguire to Man Utd £80m This money madness will stop one day. when the premier league clubs have milked the market to such an extent that lower league clubs end up going to the wall as the game at lower levels becomes unsustainable. I have always wondered if that is the Premier Leagues 'endgame' by over-inflating the market. There is so much money at that level that it almost seems it no longer matters. Who cares about the lower leagues when you are in a league which is in effect a license to print money? Which lower league clubs have gone to the wall recently?? I’ve not kept count but it feels like there have been less clubs going through admin or worse in the last ten years compared to the situation in the ten or twenty years prior to that. |
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Post by detox on Jul 16, 2019 17:59:02 GMT 1
So Wagner bought in all the players bar Bacuna and hired Rebbe and despite the fact we have/had a head of recruitment, a head of football ops and a chief exec Wagner hired the lot of them and made all the decisions. Wagner must have been putting in 24 hour days being head coach plus doing all the scouting, hiring staff, doing due dilligence on new players etc. No wonder he was too stressed to carry on. Its amazing the club gave all that responsibility to one man. I presume you're just being an arse on purpose to get a reaction, but just for fun I'll bite. What PH confirmed last night was that all the signings made last summer we're made with the involvement of DW and he had the final say. The only player that was signed last summer without his involvement was Bacuna. DW obviously didn't do all the work on the transfers, but it was his ultimate decision to sign all the players except for Bacuna. Every transfer is a gamble, you're usually selecting players based on them being successful with another club, with a different coach, perhaps different system, even a different country and/or language. However, to request wingers/wide-men, OK the transfers of the players and then change the system before giving them a chance to play is not the best use of the clubs limited resources to say the least. I'm just guessing here, and defending DW maybe too...but perhaps the OK to the wingers coming in was on the assumption that we would also be getting a striker in too ? Obviously no striker came in so DW (maybe) says ..well no point in having these wingers now..you promised me 'x' striker and that's why I OK'd the wingers ..  |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 16, 2019 18:11:31 GMT 1
European window is open until late August so Zanka and billing could leave after our window is shut. As could any of the bigger assets...
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 16, 2019 18:26:17 GMT 1
European window is open until late August so Zanka and billing could leave after our window is shut. As could any of the bigger asses... Sobhi's already gone out on loan. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 16, 2019 18:32:52 GMT 1
when the premier league clubs have milked the market to such an extent that lower league clubs end up going to the wall as the game at lower levels becomes unsustainable. I have always wondered if that is the Premier Leagues 'endgame' by over-inflating the market. There is so much money at that level that it almost seems it no longer matters. Who cares about the lower leagues when you are in a league which is in effect a license to print money? Which lower league clubs have gone to the wall recently?? I’ve not kept count but it feels like there have been less clubs going through admin or worse in the last ten years compared to the situation in the ten or twenty years prior to that. It's still ' a few '. The stats since 2009 appear to be;
Southampton 2 April 2009[84][85] 8 July 2009[86] Championship League One N/A −10 pts[nb 12]
Stockport County 30 April 2009[87] 18 June 2010[88] League One −10 pts
Chester City 17 May 2009[30] 10 March 2010[nb 13] Dissolved Conference National −25 pts[nb 14]
Northwich Victoria 15 May 2009[94] 16 May 2010[95][nb 15] Conference National −10 pts[nb 16]
Farsley Celtic 30 June 2009[99] 10 March 2010 Dissolved[100] Conference North −10 pts[101]
Salisbury City 3 September 2009[102] 26 February 2010[103][104] Conference National −10 pts[nb 17]
Weymouth 28 October 2009[106] 27 November 2009[107] Conference South None
Crystal Palace 26 January 2010[108] 20 August 2010[109] Championship −10 pts
Portsmouth 26 February 2010[17] 24 October 2010[110] Premier League −9 pts
Plymouth Argyle 4 March 2011[111] 31 October 2011[112] League One −10 pts
Rushden and Diamonds 7 July 2011[113] 8 July 2011 Dissolved[114] Conference National None
Darlington 3 January 2012[115] 21 June 2012 Dissolved[116] Conference National −10 pts
Portsmouth 17 February 2012[117] 19 April 2013[118] Championship −10 pts
Port Vale 9 March 2012[119] 20 November 2012[120] League Two −10 pts
Coventry City 21 March 2013[121] League One League One −10 pts[121][122] −10 pts[123]
Aldershot Town 2 May 2013[124] 31 July 2014 League Two Conference National N/A -10 pts
Bolton Wanderers 13 May 2019[125] Championship League One N/A −12 pts[126]
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 16, 2019 18:56:26 GMT 1
European window is open until late August so Zanka and billing could leave after our window is shut. As could any of the bigger asses... Sobhi's already gone out on loan. Not even going to edit that lol |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2019 19:46:27 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? Agree, Think a lot of the superlatives thrown at bacuna are way over the top myself. He did well.. better than well in some games and in some he wasn't so good. Did great bits of play and dreadful bits in pretty equal measure. Basically he was a bit hit and miss IMO, not just from game to game but within each game too. But hes a young lad so thats to be expected. What he has got though is great heart and desire and with that he should become the very best he can be. Doesn;t hide,, always wants to effect the game. I wish i could say the same for all the other summer signings last year. I think bacuna could have a great season but think some of the expectation fans have of him seem a bit much. |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 16, 2019 20:50:59 GMT 1
Lots seem totally and irrefutably certain that Bacuna has 'it'. He definitely put in a very good case for a regular starting place but I'd like to see a few months of solid performing before I start whacking one out over him. I'm still not sure what his best position is. Obviously somewhere in midfield but where? Agree, Think a lot of the superlatives thrown at bacuna are way over the top myself. He did well.. better than well in some games and in some he wasn't so good. Did great bits of play and dreadful bits in pretty equal measure. Basically he was a bit hit and miss IMO, not just from game to game but within each game too. But hes a young lad so thats to be expected. What he has got though is great heart and desire and with that he should become the very best he can be. Doesn;t hide,, always wants to effect the game. I wish i could say the same for all the other summer signings last year. I think bacuna could have a great season but think some of the expectation fans have of him seem a bit much. Our resident wannabe ITK transfer obsessed fantasist Townrwe mentioned a £25m move away from Town next January 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by softboy on Jul 16, 2019 20:57:08 GMT 1
Have I missed something from the New Chairmans Q & A this week. When he says that is YOUR £200m - its all gone. I have to admit I don't really understand WHY its my £200m - just sounds like he is a guy with no money and Dean sees him as the only guy to to take club on. Get more and more concerned with a Chairman who seems to distance himself from the fans and a manager who does the same.
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