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Post by oldrain on May 28, 2019 15:30:43 GMT 1
We need players who are strong enough to take a bollocking when needed playing football at any level there are always times when someone has to tell you the truth
I do think the team that played in the last couple of games of the season put in the effort at Southampton in a game that they could have just strolled through I thought there was plenty of passion and effort we need to have our team spirit back to perform next season UTT
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on May 28, 2019 15:31:53 GMT 1
Players player of the year or any other award isnt exactly what you could describe as an " ACHIEVEMENT " worth winning especially if you take towns abysmal season into consideration.
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Post by turbo2 on May 28, 2019 16:00:37 GMT 1
I was at a do a couple of weeks ago and a random lad told me the exact same story All players hate JS as he’s very arrogant and many are telling their agents to get them a move And, as we all know, it's always best to trust a 'random lad'.  The point was he said exactly the same almost word for word. Then two weeks later it’s reported that billing said it |
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Post by Maynardblue on May 28, 2019 16:13:03 GMT 1
I remember being told by a very reliable source that the day Billing was awarded a professional contract he went shopping at Meadowhall, taking two apprentices with him to carry his bags. Will always be a big-head in my eyes. I thought it was the Trafford Centre? Same story though. |
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Post by dumbo on May 28, 2019 16:17:37 GMT 1
Really disappointing end to his time here. We signed him as a kid and he has shown a lot of potential. Always want a youth player to do well. I never liked the lazy criticism, but he was a bit soft. It shows in how few headers he wins and how his head drops when we are losing and now with his whining.
We signed two experienced Danes (one of them the country's captain) and you hoped they would help bring him along and get everything together. Instead it seems they have have done little to help and probably enabled his mental issues even more.
A year left on his contract with another 1 year option. Hopefully we will get a good fee for him or if not one with a sell on.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 28, 2019 16:18:02 GMT 1
we had a dressing room full of players that had never won anything, other than a play off.. we have some talent that needed to be allowed to play whilst the rest had to just work their arse off to get us a point in this division.. seems far too many thought they were the 'talent' and not the work horses..? clearly some will get a rude awakening this summer.. Billing will merely ignore crap offers for him and small wages because the people in his 'ear' will tell him how much better he is than them.. The occasional good 20 minutes he has is symptomatic of the 'just doing enough' culture he has grown up in.. He will end up nowhere because he simply is not a good enough player to blag it for long.. That's bullshit! Billing was our best player prior December and despite his fall from grace since Siewert arrived, its no coincidence that he won both the Player's Player of the year award and the Young Player of the Year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:38:15 GMT 1
we had a dressing room full of players that had never won anything, other than a play off.. we have some talent that needed to be allowed to play whilst the rest had to just work their arse off to get us a point in this division.. seems far too many thought they were the 'talent' and not the work horses..? clearly some will get a rude awakening this summer.. Billing will merely ignore crap offers for him and small wages because the people in his 'ear' will tell him how much better he is than them.. The occasional good 20 minutes he has is symptomatic of the 'just doing enough' culture he has grown up in.. He will end up nowhere because he simply is not a good enough player to blag it for long.. That's bullshit! Billing was our best player prior December and despite his fall from grace since Siewert arrived, its no coincidence that he won both the Player's Player of the year award and the Young Player of the Year. He might have done but for me he did NOTHING to deserve it. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on May 28, 2019 16:44:05 GMT 1
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the background to it all, Billing has probably reduced what we could get for him and also potentially damaged the current reputation of our club and manager in public which could affect potential incoming players? Totally unacceptable as a current employee whatever the circumstances.
Hopefully the players we want to bring in are the type not to be put off by such nonsense.
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Post by artysid on May 28, 2019 16:46:07 GMT 1
A Manager with a bit of tact like this bloke needed?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 28, 2019 16:46:17 GMT 1
Paving the way for a big money move to Bury. To be honest Seiwert sounds like he's a Berty Big Bollocks with sod all to back it up. I'm not really sure he's going to do anything at Town. He reminds me of Joe Jordan always shouting at the players, apparently that's what he did at Town.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on May 28, 2019 16:56:01 GMT 1
I think Billing is a fabulous player with great potential. His attitude is spot on and his greatness will allow him to play for the Champions of Europe...so piss off to L**ds.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 28, 2019 16:59:48 GMT 1
Players player of the year or any other award isnt exactly what you could describe as an " ACHIEVEMENT " worth winning especially if you take towns abysmal season into consideration. No, but it would be a very big surprise for his team mates to vote for him if they perceived him as lazy and a disruptive influence. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 28, 2019 16:59:52 GMT 1
I think Billing is a fabulous player with great potential. His attitude is spot on and his greatness will allow him to play for the Champions of Europe...so piss off to L**ds. You were doing well up to that point  |
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Post by smax on May 28, 2019 17:04:38 GMT 1
Let’s see if Mr Wagner takes him and unleashes the deadly looping long throw on the bundesliga.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 28, 2019 17:20:21 GMT 1
When the going gets tough the best players rise to the occasion, Billing unfortunately is typical of a player who has achieved very little in his time in football. He’s contributed very little to HTFC. He hardly played in our promotion season was bang average in his performances in the 1st year in premier. Actually did well in the beginning of this last year, but then discovered when Wagner left that his feet are too big for his boots. Sell sell sell good bye and good luck you ungrateful young man
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 28, 2019 17:26:54 GMT 1
we had a dressing room full of players that had never won anything, other than a play off.. we have some talent that needed to be allowed to play whilst the rest had to just work their arse off to get us a point in this division.. seems far too many thought they were the 'talent' and not the work horses..? clearly some will get a rude awakening this summer.. Billing will merely ignore crap offers for him and small wages because the people in his 'ear' will tell him how much better he is than them.. The occasional good 20 minutes he has is symptomatic of the 'just doing enough' culture he has grown up in.. He will end up nowhere because he simply is not a good enough player to blag it for long.. That's bullshit! Billing was our best player prior December and despite his fall from grace since Siewert arrived, its no coincidence that he won both the Player's Player of the year award and the Young Player of the Year. we didnt really play any young players and a young player who gets into the team on a regular basis has to 'do' more than Billing did.. He plays and puts in the work in fits and starts and has done since we first saw him here.. He did ok for the whole game against Wolves away but so did everyone else, the other games were very patchy at best.. We were not great up to December.. We were in the premier league and we could not afford any passengers or 'ball players' with little else.. I stand by the opinion that he is now and will not be good enough to ever be a luxury player, he is going to have to work much, much harder.. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on May 28, 2019 17:32:56 GMT 1
I can't remember which game he got subbed at half time but I remember thinking it was one of the worst 45 minutes I have seen from a Town player, he may not respect the manager but it's HTFC who pays his wages, sooner he fucks off the better.
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Post by captainblack on May 28, 2019 17:38:28 GMT 1
Not sure I was "astonished" by this... looked pretty apparent early doors most if the squad weren't enthused by him It was/is crystal clear as you say although some chose to ignore it for some reason including it seems the board. The only surprise is that billing has come out and said it. Clearly a ploy to drive down the fee further and make more cash for him and his agent. So regardless of the rights and wrongs of each individual the club will now lose a valuable player for a fraction of the true value. Just another side effect of being unable to keep players happy. Is CL heading back one year earlier than planned another? I've no idea but I do know that football managers who alienate a large proportion of their players are never successful. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Coddington beat me to it , but I am sure Brian Clough upset a few players at Leeds, although you might have thought him an abject failure ;)I am certain there would have been plenty of managers who would have shouted at our team tbh. I believe DH called some of our players disgraces, yet he kept faith with Jan, Is It possible that DH and the board laid the blame with the players ? It may be some time before we know all the facts. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 28, 2019 17:39:55 GMT 1
I remember being told by a very reliable source that the day Billing was awarded a professional contract he went shopping at Meadowhall, taking two apprentices with him to carry his bags. Will always be a big-head in my eyes. I thought it was the Trafford Centre? Same story though. Could well have been. Let's just accept that he went shopping with two young skivvies in attendance.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 17:56:18 GMT 1
I thought it was the Trafford Centre? Same story though. Could well have been. Let's just accept that he went shopping with two young skivvies in attendance. Pretty disgusting behaviour |
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Post by raggytash on May 28, 2019 18:00:40 GMT 1
Never ever rated billing, I would let the twat rot in reserves for the rest of his contract, Clubs aren’t queuing up for him are they!  |
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Post by shawsie on May 28, 2019 18:18:05 GMT 1
Paving the way for a big money move to Bury. To be honest Seiwert sounds like he's a Berty Big Bollocks with sod all to back it up. I'm not really sure he's going to do anything at Town. He reminds me of Joe Jordan always shouting at the players, apparently that's what he did at Town. Seiwert is far from a Billy big balls.....but he is a self confident coach with ambition. Same as Wagner really....except DW has raised expectation massively. It was clear when Wagner came the likes of lynch weren't going to last....same with Jan. I'm yet to be convinced by him but he does deserve time and his own squad to work with first. Let's be honest.....have we really missed zanka, billing, ldp since they were left out? Get them sold....or told (if bids are derisory) and crack on in the championship. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 18:21:38 GMT 1
Whilst not seeking to defend Billing's attitude, the body language of several players was telling in Siewert's early days Even the dependable Mooy looked like he couldn't give a fuck in some games, most notably the Newcastle away game. Schindler was quoted as saying "all he does is shout at us". Maybe Siewert's approach shocked a few people and some handled it better than others. Let's hope that both sides have learned a few things and that team spirit that was missing will return at the start of the new season. Think Wagner was always their friend and didn’t throw out too many home truths, plus I think the modern day footballer is probably a tad sensitive to a roasting! |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 18:23:20 GMT 1
Whilst not seeking to defend Billing's attitude, the body language of several players was telling in Siewert's early days Even the dependable Mooy looked like he couldn't give a fuck in some games, most notably the Newcastle away game. Schindler was quoted as saying "all he does is shout at us". Maybe Siewert's approach shocked a few people and some handled it better than others. Let's hope that both sides have learned a few things and that team spirit that was missing will return at the start of the new season. Yeah, as much as Billing is a bit of a cock for downing tools (though based on the translation it doesn't seem clear whether he means this season - perhaps it was before he joined us?) and speaking publicly about his manager and wanting to leave, it does seem like there's some degree of fault on both sides. You didn't need to be in the changing room to see that Siewert had a tendency to give himself all the credit but none of the blame, everyone on here could see that very quickly. Nothing wrong with being a bit of a hard taskmaster but without some sort of balance to it you're doomed to failure I'm afraid. Even managers like Ferguson and Clough could be pussycats with their own players when needed. When rumours start to circulate about model pros like Schindler and Mooy being unhappy it's hard not to be concerned. As you say, hopefully some lessons have been learned all round and we can get on with making a fresh start. I've got to admit that I don't have a great feeling about it though - as soon as Wagner was announced it felt 'right' to me but I've felt the opposite this time around. Very much hope I'm proved wrong. I’m sure Siewert will be very different when he gets his own players in, can’t slate them much then can he if they are who he wanted in to the club. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 28, 2019 18:32:27 GMT 1
Whilst not seeking to defend Billing's attitude, the body language of several players was telling in Siewert's early days Even the dependable Mooy looked like he couldn't give a fuck in some games, most notably the Newcastle away game. Schindler was quoted as saying "all he does is shout at us". Maybe Siewert's approach shocked a few people and some handled it better than others. Let's hope that both sides have learned a few things and that team spirit that was missing will return at the start of the new season. Think Wagner was always their friend and didn’t throw out too many home truths, plus I think the modern day footballer is probably a tad sensitive to a roasting! On the contrary, I think a lot of modern day footballers like a good roasting |
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Post by Wingman on May 28, 2019 19:16:18 GMT 1
Never ever rated billing, I would let the twat rot in reserves for the rest of his contract, Clubs aren’t queuing up for him are they! Agree, but I'd rather we got rid and he can dupe another club out of a wage, not my club. Bertie Big Bollocks who has achieved nothing barr posturing in dumb haircuts. |
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Post by Wingman on May 28, 2019 19:17:25 GMT 1
Whilst not seeking to defend Billing's attitude, the body language of several players was telling in Siewert's early days Even the dependable Mooy looked like he couldn't give a fuck in some games, most notably the Newcastle away game. Schindler was quoted as saying "all he does is shout at us". Maybe Siewert's approach shocked a few people and some handled it better than others. Let's hope that both sides have learned a few things and that team spirit that was missing will return at the start of the new season. Think Wagner was always their friend and didn’t throw out too many home truths, plus I think the modern day footballer is probably a tad sensitive to a roasting! Fergie gave out some roastings and he didn't do too badly. |
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Post by Rambo on May 28, 2019 19:23:23 GMT 1
So a new manager with limited credentials comes into a dressing room low on confidence, first thing he does rather then empathise or look to build up players confidence is to publicly blame the players! Because that is a good way to support your staff and convince them buy into your methods! If you cant trust a manager to have your back how are you expecting the players to go out and perform if any mistake is not just going to be scrutinised globally but your manager is going to rinse you in the press! But yeah lets blame a 22 year old for being unhappy with the lack of support from his manager. What was that? |
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Post by Rambo on May 28, 2019 19:26:02 GMT 1
Very unhelpful comments. Needs to remember who his employers are. If we still are his employers at the start of the season? In the eyes of management club and fans he has some redemption to do to earn respect . For me there's no way back for Phil Bill.....his town career is over... |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 28, 2019 19:34:12 GMT 1
It was obviously a difficult job. Maybe one where more experience might have been helpful. But it's probably early days for Siewert and he might turn out a shrewd acquisition ( sits on fence ) He may indeed learn and turn out to be successful but I'd rather he wasn't learning on the job with town during such a vital period. Maybe he's a very quick learner and will be able to turn it round in a few months and build the superb team spirit needed to compete in the Championship. Seems unlikely though. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Some of us called this a while ago. Siewert had an adverse effect on team spirit generally- not just with Billing. If some on here think that this kind of aggressive attitude gets results in 2019, we’ll, I’m surprised. I’m not sure the likes of Hogg and Mooy deserve this kind of treatment and if this story is true we have sod all chance of holding on to our best players this summer. I’m just not sure about Siewert . |
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