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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 9, 2019 20:18:09 GMT 1
Give him ten games , if we are bottom half then get rid, im fair.
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Post by royrace on Aug 9, 2019 20:18:23 GMT 1
I saw enough early in his tenure to convince me he will never make a good manager at the level we’re at. I’ve never been so sure, so early tbh. Hope I’m wrong. Obviusoly it’s far too early for the bullet but I’d be surprised it it didn’t come this season. No agenda, just saying what I see.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 9, 2019 20:19:02 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. "Our squad is good enough to stay up". Depressing words. This time last year we were a Premier League club about to start their second season after two of the greatest seasons we've ever had. How has it come to this? |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 9, 2019 20:19:36 GMT 1
No.
We've just had a decent preseason.
We've lost one game, by one goal, to a team that would've probably beaten us more convincingly had we played them 3 months earlier.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 9, 2019 20:19:59 GMT 1
100%. Sack him now Phil and redeem yourself.
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Post by royrace on Aug 9, 2019 20:22:12 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. "Our squad is good enough to stay up". Depressing words. This time last year we were a Premier League club about to start their second season after two of the greatest seasons we've ever had. How has it come to this? Exactly, quite staggering tbh how many on here are so easily pleased. The good thing is I think Phil will quietly be expecting much more than survival. Whether he’s done enough to achieve that remains to be seen. |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 20:25:32 GMT 1
Give him until the international break but he looks totally out of his depth. In the Hoyle interview he talked about Robins not able to manage at this level and from what Billing was saying (wrong to go public but he won't be the only one thinking that way about Jan) and seems more suited to youth football rather than a manager.
He hadn't clue against Derby and they had it so easy against us. All the same issues as we saw last season repeating themselves.
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 20:29:30 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. We've just come down from the Premier League and should be setup to have a very strong Championship side we have to aim higher than what we was doing before Wagner came in or what was the point of going up. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 20:36:45 GMT 1
I have only once seen his team actually all look like they were pulling for him and each other for the vast majority of a game and we beat one of the best away sides in the premier League and we did it well.
Getting shut of anyone who wears the shirt who does not get with the programme or who does not have the self respect to play as hard as they can for themselves and their own careers, will bring a better return than sacking another manager.
I have not seen enough of a team complying with instructions to even guess how well or badly Jan could do here. Time will tell.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 9, 2019 20:36:50 GMT 1
Like some others on here, I’m judging Siewert on the last 7 months not just on the game v Derby.
Sitting close to the dugouts I get a great view of what is going . Last season the guy was so aggressive when talking to the players and I’m sure the rumours of this causing player unrest was true.
I have to say he was not a bit like this on Monday so maybe someone’s had a word with him.
I really do want him to succeed but you can’t escape his lack of experience at this level and the fact that we seem not to have made any improvements during his reign.
The fact that we then appointed a No 2 who also is inexperienced adds to the concern for me.
Hope hie manages to improve things from tomorrow because the club really needs a lift.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 9, 2019 20:42:48 GMT 1
I saw enough early in his tenure to convince me he will never make a good manager at the level we’re at. I’ve never been so sure, so early tbh. Hope I’m wrong. Obviusoly it’s far too early for the bullet but I’d be surprised it it didn’t come this season. No agenda, just saying what I see. I think that's a fair assessment. Either we improve or he goes. I don't think either of us would disagree on that. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 9, 2019 20:50:51 GMT 1
He has the next 6 games for me to show he can get a team set up, maintain a shape, react to what is happening in a game and develop a team spirit. Note I have given him a let on what results he gets but he needs to show so fundamentals of being a head coach. If he doesn't he has to go.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 20:59:00 GMT 1
No. I think the manager is more popular that the chairman at the moment. Big 10 games ahead for the club as a whole. Phil Billing is more popular than the chairman atm 🤣 |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 9, 2019 21:01:01 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. We've just come down from the Premier League and should be setup to have a very strong Championship side we have to aim higher than what we was doing before Wagner came in or what was the point of going up. I think I may have worded my point poorly. I had hoped for a serious tilt at promotion this year but now I view 2019/20 as a season of transition. Much of our squad this season is made up of promising youngsters that are not yet (and perhaps might never be) the finished article. If this is to be a season of transition where we stabilise the finances, build a squad that's suited to Jan's idea of how the game should be played and develop a few youngsters ready for a tilt in 20/21 season & beyond then our current squad is strong enough that we should be able to do that without worrying too much about relegation. Transition sounds dull. It IS dull. But 2015/16 was a season of transition too, and the 2 that followed it weren't too bad. We are aiming higher than pre-Wagner, but may have to play the long game. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 21:04:45 GMT 1
Siewert has a terrible record but he needs his own players, not the ones who downed tools when Wagner took his ball home. Will he be a success? Who knows? I have the feeling the club will stick with him. He just needs a little luck. When you came away on Monday is the first thing you thought "all we need is a little luck " ? My thoughts were along the lines of "how did we gift them the first goal", "how did they not see Waghorn was offside and in front of the keeper for the second" and "how the fuck did Schindler and sodding Kachunga miss those gobbers". Both a bin dipper and a chestwanker have said, in the pub tonight, they didn't think Derby were good and were there for the taking. |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 21:05:21 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. What is wrong with you? Good enough to stay up for goodness sake DW would get this team up again no problem why have our expectations fallen so low? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 21:07:36 GMT 1
"Our squad is good enough to stay up". Depressing words. This time last year we were a Premier League club about to start their second season after two of the greatest seasons we've ever had. How has it come to this? Exactly, quite staggering tbh how many on here are so easily pleased. The good thing is I think Phil will quietly be expecting much more than survival. Whether he’s done enough to achieve that remains to be seen. The mind boggles at what the fucking chairman expects after the last few days |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 9, 2019 21:09:21 GMT 1
Siewert has had long enough now
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 21:09:45 GMT 1
Fucking hell overton has been available for at least 6 months, close to the bench and has seen what was happening and how to put it all right, with no experience at any proper level, no badges and without any of the background behind the club and the players before and after Jan took over. What a fucking waste, why the fuck did he not march down to the dug out, strip off to reveal the readied trackie and just get on with it?
There are about 20 thousand managers available every fucking week all with OPINIONS, without any of the working knowledge pertinent at the time of the game. All seeing stuff slightly/hugely differently, Jan never stood a chance and he won't till he has a team without any hangover or hangers on the 11, all of the fuckers at least gives his way a fucking decent go, then we will know without popping the trackie on in our head and smart arsely guessing whilst pretending our Opinion means a fucking thing.
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Post by Stiggy on Aug 9, 2019 21:11:29 GMT 1
Give him until Reading game. No improvement then he has to go for me.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 9, 2019 21:12:06 GMT 1
There has been enough disruption. Lets see where we are in ten games time. If he has chalked up another 10 losses then absolutely the experiment will have failed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:12:22 GMT 1
Personally I think he should have gone at the end of last season. It was clear to me that he was out of his depth, not helped though by the playing staff who were also out of their depth. As a result I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I do think though there has to be some serious improvement over the next 3 or 4 games or he should be gone and by improvement I mean points on the board. If we do not get 2 wins out of the next 4 games I would sack him. He comes across to me as someone who thinks he knows it all and is gods gift to football. So proud he changed things "as early as half time". Admits he does not do any research on the opposition. Apparently does his research in the first half and hopes we aren't losing by too much to make a comeback in the second half.
Not impressed at all. I would love to be proven wrong but I can't see us going anywhere with him.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 9, 2019 21:12:26 GMT 1
When you came away on Monday is the first thing you thought "all we need is a little luck " ? My thoughts were along the lines of "how did we gift them the first goal", "how did they not see Waghorn was offside and in front of the keeper for the second" and "how the fuck did Schindler and sodding Kachunga miss those gobbers". Both a bin dipper and a chestwanker have said, in the pub tonight, they didn't think Derby were good and were there for the taking. Derby won't make the top 10 imo . We were too open first half, almost kamikaze. Then second half they sat back and were comfy .. we might be a better away team tbh |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 9, 2019 21:16:57 GMT 1
Fucking hell overton has been available for at least 6 months, close to the bench and has seen what was happening and how to put it all right, with no experience at any proper level, no badges and without any of the background behind the club and the players before and after Jan took over. What a fucking waste, why the fuck did he not march down to the dug out, strip off to reveal the readied trackie and just get on with it? There are about 20 thousand managers available every fucking week all with OPINIONS, without any of the working knowledge pertinent at the time of the game. All seeing stuff slightly/hugely differently, Jan never stood a chance and he won't till he has a team without any hangover or hangers on the 11, all of the fuckers at least gives his way a fucking decent go, then we will know without popping the trackie on in our head and smart arsely guessing whilst pretending our Opinion means a fucking thing. Alright lad, calm down. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 9, 2019 21:17:17 GMT 1
My thoughts were along the lines of "how did we gift them the first goal", "how did they not see Waghorn was offside and in front of the keeper for the second" and "how the fuck did Schindler and sodding Kachunga miss those gobbers". Both a bin dipper and a chestwanker have said, in the pub tonight, they didn't think Derby were good and were there for the taking. Derby won't make the top 10 imo . We were too open first half, almost kamikaze. Then second half they say back and were comfy .. we might be a better away team tbh Those shorts are from next, soft denim. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 21:18:32 GMT 1
Chris Houghton is looking for a new club, he knows the championship and the Premier League and this would be a real statement from the club who in my opinion have let the fans down this year with the lack of quality signings. One win in 18 games, players unrest, fans fed up and needing a lift, why is he still in charge?? even after just one game this season we appear to still have a loosing mentality do we think it’s time for a change? Fuck my life, forget about one win in eighteen games! No one was going to turn it around in the Premier League. He wasn't there to fight against relegation. He was there early because DW bottled it and walked away. Simple as that. His role started from the start of pre season. He's lost his first COMPETITIVE match which, under fractionally different circumstances, could have turned out differently. You can't cater for a CB being a showboating cock and fucking up. You've got to expect a forward to at the very least test the goalkeeper with a shot on target. Small margins. Please let's stop being so fucking melodramatic and accept that all this bitching, complaining and nastiness isn't helping anyone. Not the squad, not the first 11, not the coaching staff, not the manager and not the chairman. We should all be on the bloody same side! Please, please, please, understand that this isn't helping. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 21:19:51 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. What is wrong with you? Good enough to stay up for goodness sake DW would get this team up again no problem why have our expectations fallen so low? Would he fuck, we'd be playing 5 at the back and 5 defensive midfielders, hoping to get a point. He'd lost the plot. The team he took up was loaded with leaders and bottle, we've got 2 leaders left and they're the ones most likely to fuck up. |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 21:21:55 GMT 1
We've just come down from the Premier League and should be setup to have a very strong Championship side we have to aim higher than what we was doing before Wagner came in or what was the point of going up. I think I may have worded my point poorly. I had hoped for a serious tilt at promotion this year but now I view 2019/20 as a season of transition. Much of our squad this season is made up of promising youngsters that are not yet (and perhaps might never be) the finished article. If this is to be a season of transition where we stabilise the finances, build a squad that's suited to Jan's idea of how the game should be played and develop a few youngsters ready for a tilt in 20/21 season & beyond then our current squad is strong enough that we should be able to do that without worrying too much about relegation. Transition sounds dull. It IS dull. But 2015/16 was a season of transition too, and the 2 that followed it weren't too bad. We are aiming higher than pre-Wagner, but may have to play the long game. I also never expected to push on for promotion (mainly because we stuck with Jan as manager). If we are looking to hope lower league players come good then we haven't gain anything since 2015/16 as that was how we was operating back then. This is two terrible summer transfer windows but hopefully Webb can come in and sort out the mess we are currently. He should start by finding a decent manager |
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Post by ritchie on Aug 9, 2019 21:22:52 GMT 1
You can't keep him on, give him no backing then sack him
should have either got rid in summer or backed him
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 21:24:00 GMT 1
Derby won't make the top 10 imo . We were too open first half, almost kamikaze. Then second half they say back and were comfy .. we might be a better away team tbh Those shorts are from next, soft denim. 🤔🤔🤔 |
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