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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 21:24:49 GMT 1
Wish people would stop banging on about how he couldn't turn it around, it isn't the results most people aren't happy with it is what he appears to have the team trying to do. The players don't have any ideas and his 433 is sure not working and I can't see what he is going to do to sort this out. That is because he isn't a first team manager.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 9, 2019 21:34:50 GMT 1
Just when you thought the clowns had all been put back in their boxes here comes Reading to prove us wrong Boxes? Think we need a container ship... |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 21:37:47 GMT 1
Wish people would stop banging on about how he couldn't turn it around, it isn't the results most people aren't happy with it is what he appears to have the team trying to do. The players don't have any ideas and his 433 is sure not working and I can't see what he is going to do to sort this out. That is because he isn't a first team manager. Remember, it's not all about you and what you'd like. |
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Post by griffa on Aug 9, 2019 21:39:55 GMT 1
Too early to sack him for this season's result obviously but if Buxton, Greaves, Warnock and others had come in when he did last season I would have been amazed if they wouldn't't have got different results and performances, though they may not have avoided relegation. I've never fully understood this apparent "some players have given up/are disruptive let's start again next season" attitude, apparently from January if not before. Didn't Mick Buxton join Town , mid season? Mick Buxton was brilliant for Town. He saved from relegation to non-league football! He then turned us around the following season & the rest is history! UTT! |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 9, 2019 21:43:24 GMT 1
Getting rid of Siewert now would indicate either that the board had a genius idea up their sleeve or that HTFC is a basket case club. We're 1 game into the season. A young squad and a manager with a proven track record of developing young players (albeit not a proven track record as a manager. Our squad is good enough to stay up. If it doesn't look like that's going to happen then I'm sure PH will pull the trigger. In the meantime we need to give JS a chance. The only bit I'd agree with is Hughton being a good choice IF we were looking for a new boss. What is wrong with you? Good enough to stay up for goodness sake DW would get this team up again no problem why have our expectations fallen so low? I presume you haven't read my other posts explaining my point further. To clarify, I'm expecting a season of transition this year and for us to be making a serious tilt at promotion in 20/21 season with a squad that JS has built. This season, move on a few players. Some deadwood, and a few stars for big money & bring in/develop our own gems. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 9, 2019 21:46:03 GMT 1
I have only once seen his team actually all look like they were pulling for him and each other for the vast majority of a game and we beat one of the best away sides in the premier League and we did it well. Getting shut of anyone who wears the shirt who does not get with the programme or who does not have the self respect to play as hard as they can for themselves and their own careers, will bring a better return than sacking another manager. I have not seen enough of a team complying with instructions to even guess how well or badly Jan could do here. Time will tell. UTT. Is he part of the reason why they don't want to wear the shirt? It certainly seems that was the case last season with a lot of them and I'm sure plenty more than the 3 who came out on it publicly were thinking the same way. Players don't have to like the manager but they need to have respect and I don't think he has any from most of the players who were around when he arrived |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 21:47:19 GMT 1
Wish people would stop banging on about how he couldn't turn it around, it isn't the results most people aren't happy with it is what he appears to have the team trying to do. The players don't have any ideas and his 433 is sure not working and I can't see what he is going to do to sort this out. That is because he isn't a first team manager. Remember, it's not all about you and what you'd like. Nothing to do with what I want, it is all to do with what Jan has done. He has shown no evidence he can manage a football team, he might be good at work with players and improving them but that isn't what a first team manager needs to do. What I've mentioned is what everybody should be wanting, that is somebody who actually knows what they are doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 21:53:26 GMT 1
Wish people would stop banging on about how he couldn't turn it around, it isn't the results most people aren't happy with it is what he appears to have the team trying to do. The players don't have any ideas and his 433 is sure not working and I can't see what he is going to do to sort this out. That is because he isn't a first team manager. I think you'll find he is. You may not think he's a good first team manager but he's still a first team manager. Personally I hope he's still here at the end of the season, because that would mean he's doing a decent job. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 21:55:39 GMT 1
Remember, it's not all about you and what you'd like. Nothing to do with what I want, it is all to do with what Jan has done. He has shown no evidence he can manage a football team, he might be good at work with players and improving them but that isn't what a first team manager needs to do. What I've mentioned is what everybody should be wanting, that is somebody who actually knows what they are doing. Stop making wishes then! 😉 Or at the very least, wish for 3 points tomorrow! Or a hundred more wishes! |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 21:57:50 GMT 1
Wish people would stop banging on about how he couldn't turn it around, it isn't the results most people aren't happy with it is what he appears to have the team trying to do. The players don't have any ideas and his 433 is sure not working and I can't see what he is going to do to sort this out. That is because he isn't a first team manager. I think you'll find he is. You may not think he's a good first team manager but he's still a first team manager. Personally I hope he's still here at the end of the season, because that would mean he's doing a decent job. That is where we differ as I don't see any evidence he will doing a recent job. He has had this 7 months pre-season and nothing has changed, he might have the job title but he sure doesn't know how to be one. |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 22:02:24 GMT 1
Nothing to do with what I want, it is all to do with what Jan has done. He has shown no evidence he can manage a football team, he might be good at work with players and improving them but that isn't what a first team manager needs to do. What I've mentioned is what everybody should be wanting, that is somebody who actually knows what they are doing. Stop making wishes then! 😉 Or at the very least, wish for 3 points tomorrow! Or a hundred more wishes! I will start with a decent performance, a part of me would prefer we lost but I could see that there is something there, rather than getting a lucky win. The former would be more important for the season where as the later would be paper over cracks. If he comes good then happy days but I just don't see it happening. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 22:08:40 GMT 1
I have only once seen his team actually all look like they were pulling for him and each other for the vast majority of a game and we beat one of the best away sides in the premier League and we did it well. Getting shut of anyone who wears the shirt who does not get with the programme or who does not have the self respect to play as hard as they can for themselves and their own careers, will bring a better return than sacking another manager. I have not seen enough of a team complying with instructions to even guess how well or badly Jan could do here. Time will tell. UTT. Is he part of the reason why they don't want to wear the shirt? It certainly seems that was the case last season with a lot of them and I'm sure plenty more than the 3 who came out on it publicly were thinking the same way. Players don't have to like the manager but they need to have respect and I don't think he has any from most of the players who were around when he arrived we had been on a 12 game losing 'streak'  ? we had lost games without landing a glove on opponents that were supposed to be in our 'part of the league' the self respect fucking comes first and that had fucked off way before Jan came in.. I have no idea wether they respected Jan when he came in, my 'guess' is the home truths pissed some of them off but men should be able to take it and motivate themselves ...had he continued down the Wagner approach when we were truly awful and desperately lazy do we think that would have 'motivated' them better??? we went from losing games to losing games just in new and frighteningly bad way. I dont think anyone was listening much to Wagner at the death and that looked to me like it just carried on in the downward spiral we had got into.. I admit I have no idea how well/badly he can do here, cannot give an opinion until there are enough games played with a team that at least looks like they all want to be here and are settled in their mind to be here at least till x mas.. He was handed a shit sandwich, his choice but maybe he thought his first approach might get a reaction, unfortunately a rocket up each of their arses might have have gone unheeded but just 'complained' about.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 22:15:00 GMT 1
Stop making wishes then! 😉 Or at the very least, wish for 3 points tomorrow! Or a hundred more wishes! I will start with a decent performance, a part of me would prefer we lost but I could see that there is something there, rather than getting a lucky win. The former would be more important for the season where as the later would be paper over cracks. If he comes good then happy days but I just don't see it happening. if you 'prefer' we lost then you should burn your  , hand in the season card and fuck off ...'i could see something there' fucking hell another manager in 'hiding'... probably one of those who saqw us lose by 5 at home to Brentford and 3 months later tells us he could 'see something' yes a team that had given up the fucking season and the new manager was just waiting to bring in 4 or 5 of his own players before even attempting a new 'way'.. lets see what this bloke does, he my be the new 'wagner' and in 3 months you can tell me you always 'saw something there' |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 9, 2019 22:30:21 GMT 1
I will start with a decent performance, a part of me would prefer we lost but I could see that there is something there, rather than getting a lucky win. The former would be more important for the season where as the later would be paper over cracks. If he comes good then happy days but I just don't see it happening. if you 'prefer' we lost then you should burn your , hand in the season card and fuck off ...'i could see something there' fucking hell another manager in 'hiding'... probably one of those who saqw us lose by 5 at home to Brentford and 3 months later tells us he could 'see something' yes a team that had given up the fucking season and the new manager was just waiting to bring in 4 or 5 of his own players before even attempting a new 'way'.. lets see what this bloke does, he my be the new 'wagner' and in 3 months you can tell me you always 'saw something there' A lost but playing well would be a small price to pay. Not like I haven't got used to seeing us lose. |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 22:42:37 GMT 1
I know what it is it’s playing Pritchard one of our most creative players but not blessed with any real pace out on the left wing. That it I am wrong everyone else is right the mans a genius.
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Post by wigster on Aug 9, 2019 23:10:29 GMT 1
Chris Houghton is looking for a new club, he knows the championship and the Premier League and this would be a real statement from the club who in my opinion have let the fans down this year with the lack of quality signings. One win in 18 games, players unrest, fans fed up and needing a lift, why is he still in charge?? even after just one game this season we appear to still have a loosing mentality do we think it’s time for a change? Fuck my life, forget about one win in eighteen games! No one was going to turn it around in the Premier League. He wasn't there to fight against relegation. He was there early because DW bottled it and walked away. Simple as that. His role started from the start of pre season. He's lost his first COMPETITIVE match which, under fractionally different circumstances, could have turned out differently. You can't cater for a CB being a showboating cock and fucking up. You've got to expect a forward to at the very least test the goalkeeper with a shot on target. Small margins. Please let's stop being so fucking melodramatic and accept that all this bitching, complaining and nastiness isn't helping anyone. Not the squad, not the first 11, not the coaching staff, not the manager and not the chairman. We should all be on the bloody same side! Please, please, please, understand that this isn't helping. Nobody would disagree Culpers that we should all be on the same side, but for you to say he's just lost his first "COMPETITIVE" match, to me, is amazing. Do we just ignore the other 18 (eighteen) matches and say that JR's role started at the END of last season Don't know what job you do but if I'd agreed with my boss that I wouldn't actually produce/alter/improve a bad situation till I'd been in my new job half a year I would suggest that I wouldn't last more than a week. Aren't managers paid to try to change circumstances, not accept them ? You say, for example, "you've got to expect a forward to at the very least test the goalkeeper etc..." Which of the 3 forwards he'd put on the field after 6 months of his management - Kachunga, Quaner, Mbenza - would you back to get "a shot on target"? As I've said I'd give him a bit longer now (I would actually have got rid at the end of last season) but to blithely write off half a season seems to me to be incredibly generous. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 23:15:23 GMT 1
Fuck my life, forget about one win in eighteen games! No one was going to turn it around in the Premier League. He wasn't there to fight against relegation. He was there early because DW bottled it and walked away. Simple as that. His role started from the start of pre season. He's lost his first COMPETITIVE match which, under fractionally different circumstances, could have turned out differently. You can't cater for a CB being a showboating cock and fucking up. You've got to expect a forward to at the very least test the goalkeeper with a shot on target. Small margins. Please let's stop being so fucking melodramatic and accept that all this bitching, complaining and nastiness isn't helping anyone. Not the squad, not the first 11, not the coaching staff, not the manager and not the chairman. We should all be on the bloody same side! Please, please, please, understand that this isn't helping. Nobody would disagree Culpers that we should all be on the same side, but for you to say he's just lost his first "COMPETITIVE" match, to me, is amazing. Do we just ignore the other 18 (eighteen) matches and say that JR's role started at the END of last season Don't know what job you do but if I'd agreed with my boss that I wouldn't actually produce/alter/improve a bad situation till I'd been in my new job half a year I would suggest that I wouldn't last more than a week. Aren't managers paid to try to change circumstances, not accept them ? You say, for example, "you've got to expect a forward to at the very least test the goalkeeper etc..." Which of the 3 forwards he'd put on the field after 6 months of his management - Kachunga, Quaner, Mbenza - would you back to get "a shot on target"? As I've said I'd give him a bit longer now (I would actually have got rid at the end of last season) but to blithely write off half a season seems to me to be incredibly generous. You're forgetting one very important point. Football isn't real life. We shouldnt compare it to real jobs or real management. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2019 23:20:35 GMT 1
I know what it is it’s playing Pritchard one of our most creative players but not blessed with any real pace out on the left wing. That it I am wrong everyone else is right the mans a genius. Well he's been crap as a number 10 for 18 months so he might as well try him somewhere else before we drop him and play a winger on the wing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:21:47 GMT 1
I think you'll find he is. You may not think he's a good first team manager but he's still a first team manager. Personally I hope he's still here at the end of the season, because that would mean he's doing a decent job. That is where we differ as I don't see any evidence he will doing a recent job. He has had this 7 months pre-season and nothing has changed, he might have the job title but he sure doesn't know how to be one. Tell you what, lets revisit this stinking thread in 9 games time and see how things are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 23:32:27 GMT 1
Chris Houghton is looking for a new club, he knows the championship and the Premier League and this would be a real statement from the club who in my opinion have let the fans down this year with the lack of quality signings. One win in 18 games, players unrest, fans fed up and needing a lift, why is he still in charge?? even after just one game this season we appear to still have a loosing mentality do we think it’s time for a change? I only count 16 games, and five of those were against Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and Man Utd. Another against Newcastle where we had Smith sent off after 20 minutes. We would've won against West Ham, had it not been for injuries during the game where we had to bring on two of the magnificent seven in Billing and Puncheon to replace Grant and Bacuna. Not making excuses, but he's hardly been given a fair crack of the whip yet IMO. |
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Post by townohiofan on Aug 9, 2019 23:41:41 GMT 1
One of my observations from following exclusively American leagues until 5 or so years ago has been that, with the exception of a few teams with wildly unrealistic expectations, our teams tend to have much more patience with managers/coaches. I don't know if it's a cultural thing or because pro/rel places additional pressure to preform (not a knock on it as I find it to be a preferable system in all ways other than financial stability). There's so many clubs that seem to be in an endless cycle of: hire a new manager-buy 7-8 new players to suit the new manager-results stay near the same as under the previous manager so manager is sacked.
I'm not saying JS will turnout good (most managers fail and I haven't yet seen many reasons to be optimistic about him). What I am saying is that I would be upset if he was let go of now. There is value in stability. If the club lets him go (now or in the future) I hope it is because they've lost faith in his ability and not just to create change for the sake of change (like many clubs).
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Post by isleofmanterrier on Aug 10, 2019 0:01:59 GMT 1
Do I truly believe Jan is going to turn us into promotion contenders within the next couple of seasons?.... probably not.
At the same point I think the man deserves a bit of a chance to potentially prove myself and many others wrong. it's his first job and I hope he’s a fast learner, because he sure as shit won’t get too much faith for much longer.
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Post by terrierneil on Aug 10, 2019 0:04:08 GMT 1
If my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
An absolute fucking embarrassment of an appointment which ranks alongside Leeds' Hockaday.
A Premier League club going for a German conference manager (or whatever the fuck level he was).
Only Town would do such a thing.
We scoff at the likes of warnock, allardyce, pardew, Hughes.... As if we have any better.
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 10, 2019 1:09:07 GMT 1
What manager of Hughton or Jokanovic's reputation is going to want to come here after seeing how we've operated in this this window?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 1:17:41 GMT 1
Havent read all this thread so apologies if I'm repeating other posts but won't people moan about Hughton style of play even if he takes us to let's say 5th in the premier league?
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Post by terriertim on Aug 10, 2019 1:38:02 GMT 1
I can see Sam Allardyce licking his lips as we speak.....
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 7:31:12 GMT 1
What a mixed bag of postings obviously two separate camps,I personally think he has to go soon or we will be in for a very poor season,the other thing that jumps out from this thread is how so many fans are happy to accept failure and mediocrity. I want my team to win and I want to be entertained it’s really that simple and if 50% of you are happy with a 4th division manager who appears to have absolutely no man management skills never mind football knowledge, then all I can say is you set the bar very very low in your expectations for our favourite football team.
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Post by detox on Aug 10, 2019 7:44:10 GMT 1
JS is trying to rebuid the shambles of last season, last summer...DW couldn't do it and left with us firmly placed at the bottom of the PL. JS inherits a toxic changing room and tells it how it is..DW couldn't do that so buggered off instead. The toxic players take the huff and have to be got rid of and replacements brought, some of this has been done this window and some will happen in Jan and next summer. It's a massive rebuilding job and needs to be done properly. Unfortunately DW , as good as he was, let this slip into chaos. The least JS deserves is 10-15 games this season then assess where we are. Then I'll answer your question..if Phil hasn't already acted that is.
Give the bloke a chance..give the players a chance...
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 7:58:34 GMT 1
JS is trying to rebuid the shambles of last season, last summer...DW couldn't do it and left with us firmly placed at the bottom of the PL. JS inherits a toxic changing room and tells it how it is..DW couldn't do that so buggered off instead. The toxic players take the huff and have to be got rid of and replacements brought, some of this has been done this window and some will happen in Jan and next summer. It's a massive rebuilding job and needs to be done properly. Unfortunately DW , as good as he was, let this slip into chaos. The least JS deserves is 10-15 games this season then assess where we are. Then I'll answer your question..if Phil hasn't already acted that is. Give the bloke a chance..give the players a chance... I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. |
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Aug 10, 2019 8:16:47 GMT 1
JS is trying to rebuid the shambles of last season, last summer...DW couldn't do it and left with us firmly placed at the bottom of the PL. JS inherits a toxic changing room and tells it how it is..DW couldn't do that so buggered off instead. The toxic players take the huff and have to be got rid of and replacements brought, some of this has been done this window and some will happen in Jan and next summer. It's a massive rebuilding job and needs to be done properly. Unfortunately DW , as good as he was, let this slip into chaos. The least JS deserves is 10-15 games this season then assess where we are. Then I'll answer your question..if Phil hasn't already acted that is. Give the bloke a chance..give the players a chance... I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. |
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, hand in the season card and fuck off ...'i could see something there' fucking hell another manager in 'hiding'...
