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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 8:34:51 GMT 1
I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. Quality wingers may have kept us up in the Premier League, not buying untested untried players who simply could not cut it in the premier league, be honest do you get premier league quality for £12m DW had the right strategy in my opinion the club did not support him with the monies required. Anyway what has this got to do with anyone trying to explain to me what JS has brought to this club in his time here. Perhaps I could get some reasoned replies to a fair question instead of the usual stream of people attempting to be clever when their not, and others who can only post foul and abusive language. So come on all of you who have posted disagreeing on this thread WHAT HAS JS BROUGHT TO THIS CLUB IN HIS TIME HERE?  ? |
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Post by detox on Aug 10, 2019 8:37:09 GMT 1
JS is trying to rebuid the shambles of last season, last summer...DW couldn't do it and left with us firmly placed at the bottom of the PL. JS inherits a toxic changing room and tells it how it is..DW couldn't do that so buggered off instead. The toxic players take the huff and have to be got rid of and replacements brought, some of this has been done this window and some will happen in Jan and next summer. It's a massive rebuilding job and needs to be done properly. Unfortunately DW , as good as he was, let this slip into chaos. The least JS deserves is 10-15 games this season then assess where we are. Then I'll answer your question..if Phil hasn't already acted that is. Give the bloke a chance..give the players a chance... I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. Ok when DW arrived on the scene 4 years ago Town were 19th in the championship having been mullered ay home by Leeds 0-3....30 games later , and after 10 wins and 14 defeats we finished the season, 19th...where we were when he arrived. When Jan arrived on the scene last year we were bottom of the PL after 22 games and just 2 wins. Jan had 15 games , winning one and we finished as we were,bottom. This was the PL, not the Championship. The following season DW started with 8 new players from those that finished the year before having been able to recruit from home and overseas.. Jan started on Monday with just 4 different players from those that finished last season against Southampton.
What I'm trying to say is while the circumstances were similar DW had an inspired summer in 2016 which surprised everbody with the way the team won promotion. This summer Jan has been hindered, change of owner, relegation, unhappy players and of course having to cut costs ..
It's unfair to compare the two..when we ended the first season DW was in charge with a 0--4 defeat at Bristol and a 1-5 home defeat against Brentford you were no doubt moaning too that Wagner was crap, was taking us nowhere and had done nothing to improve us...thank Christ no one listened to you...
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Post by blue1003 on Aug 10, 2019 8:40:15 GMT 1
"So come on all of you who have posted disagreeing on this thread WHAT HAS JS BROUGHT TO THIS CLUB IN HIS TIME HERE? ?"[/quote] [Continued] consistency? |
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Post by specialun on Aug 10, 2019 8:40:20 GMT 1
No.
He’s not David Wagner. None of the next 10 managers will be. Get used to it. Some of you didn’t realise what we had with Wagner which beggars belief - you believed the extraordinary was the ordinary.
Compare Siewert to Powell & Robins
If he went we’re still left with the underinvested, imbalanced squad without a left back and enough centre mids and paid summer signings from league 2 & below
Hodgkinson has already lost a proportion of the fans who don’t believe his word. He’s gone over the top to praise Siewert - he’d looked ridiculous to get rid of him
And surely none of you / him expect this team to be in the top half.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 10, 2019 8:44:47 GMT 1
I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. If what Dean Hoyle says here is anything to go by, Wagner certainly was involved in the signing of the wingers. See 155:25 in the following podcast: podtail.com/de/podcast/and-he-takes-that-chance/dean-hoyle-unedited-and-uncut/Or better on 2:35:30 Bit quiet but I'm sure DH can be heard saying DW was accountable for that. |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 8:53:29 GMT 1
I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. If what Dean Hoyle says here is anything to go by, Wagner certainly was involved in the signing of the wingers. See 155:25 in the following podcast: podtail.com/de/podcast/and-he-takes-that-chance/dean-hoyle-unedited-and-uncut/Bit quiet but I'm sure DH can be heard saying DW was accountable for that. He was if I read this correctly signing wingers for the amount of money he was given he was shopping in the corner shop not Waitrose |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 9:00:02 GMT 1
No. He’s not David Wagner. None of the next 10 managers will be. Get used to it. Some of you didn’t realise what we had with Wagner which beggars belief - you believed the extraordinary was the ordinary. Compare Siewert to Powell & Robins If he went we’re still left with the underinvested, imbalanced squad without a left back and enough centre mids and paid summer signings from league 2 & below Hodgkinson has already lost a proportion of the fans who don’t believe his word. He’s gone over the top to praise Siewert - he’d looked ridiculous to get rid of him And surely none of you / him expect this team to be in the top half. Why do we have to get used to it??. in my opinion with DW in charge and given the right funds we would have become another Watford. The board got it wrong in 1972 and they have got it wrong again last year and in my opinion the players know this and that’s why there is the rumours about unhappy players. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 9:06:58 GMT 1
I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. Quality wingers may have kept us up in the Premier League, not buying untested untried players who simply could not cut it in the premier league, be honest do you get premier league quality for £12m DW had the right strategy in my opinion the club did not support him with the monies required. Anyway what has this got to do with anyone trying to explain to me what JS has brought to this club in his time here. Perhaps I could get some reasoned replies to a fair question instead of the usual stream of people attempting to be clever when their not, and others who can only post foul and abusive language. So come on all of you who have posted disagreeing on this thread WHAT HAS JS BROUGHT TO THIS CLUB IN HIS TIME HERE? ? 'the club did not support him with the monies required' Nonsense! |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 10, 2019 9:08:58 GMT 1
He was if I read this correctly signing wingers for the amount of money he was given he was shopping in the corner shop not Waitrose In the long run these signings may yet prove to be good. But it would be interesting to know how much thought DW gave to signing the wingers on a PL basis, and how he didn't see that they weren't ready for the PL. Given the amount of money involved, you'd have thought he would have given it a lot of thought. However, he changed his mind pretty quickly, which is OK (anyone can make a mistake) - but worst of all for me was that he'd just signed a 3-yr contract and barely 6 months later decided he wanted to leave the mess to others. |
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Post by specialun on Aug 10, 2019 9:10:17 GMT 1
No. He’s not David Wagner. None of the next 10 managers will be. Get used to it. Some of you didn’t realise what we had with Wagner which beggars belief - you believed the extraordinary was the ordinary. Compare Siewert to Powell & Robins If he went we’re still left with the underinvested, imbalanced squad without a left back and enough centre mids and paid summer signings from league 2 & below Hodgkinson has already lost a proportion of the fans who don’t believe his word. He’s gone over the top to praise Siewert - he’d looked ridiculous to get rid of him And surely none of you / him expect this team to be in the top half. Why do we have to get used to it??. in my opinion with DW in charge and given the right funds we would have become another Watford. The board got it wrong in 1972 and they have got it wrong again last year and in my opinion the players know this and that’s why there is the rumours about unhappy players. I agree with you The Board screwed up the opportunity of a lifetime through a negative, pessimistic approach more worried about ‘what if’ we get relegated .... that’s worked out well hasn’t it Most on here (incorrectly) agreed with that approach My comment about we must get used to it is because the opportunity has been and gone - and Wagner has gone No other manager in the last 30/40 years would have got us promoted with the team Wagner had |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 9:13:25 GMT 1
Quality wingers may have kept us up in the Premier League, not buying untested untried players who simply could not cut it in the premier league, be honest do you get premier league quality for £12m DW had the right strategy in my opinion the club did not support him with the monies required. Anyway what has this got to do with anyone trying to explain to me what JS has brought to this club in his time here. Perhaps I could get some reasoned replies to a fair question instead of the usual stream of people attempting to be clever when their not, and others who can only post foul and abusive language. So come on all of you who have posted disagreeing on this thread WHAT HAS JS BROUGHT TO THIS CLUB IN HIS TIME HERE? ? 'the club did not support him with the monies required' Nonsense! We did not allow him to spend enough monies on quality players who would have given us a fair chance of staying in the premier league, or perhaps you think it’s just coincidental that the teams who spend that bit more on good quality players stay in the premier league. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 9:14:40 GMT 1
'the club did not support him with the monies required' Nonsense! We did not allow him to spend enough monies on quality players who would have given us a fair chance of staying in the premier league, or perhaps you think it’s just coincidental that the teams who spend that bit more on good quality players stay in the premier league. Like Fulham? 100milion spent? |
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Post by zoso on Aug 10, 2019 9:27:30 GMT 1
I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. Yes I believe you are right. Julian Winter said this (re the wingers) at a q&a at canalside, he looked pretty pissed off about it too. And, DW was still the manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 9:50:34 GMT 1
I do not understand why anyone would criticise DW in my opinion the club failed him by trying to buy potential instead of recognised quality that would have helped us in the premier league. Leaving that to one side when DW arrived we witnessed an instant improvement in effort and style of play and the players and the crowds bought into it. Please explain to me what JS has brought to the club in his time in charge, because as far as I can see ( and I have been to every game and will be there this afternoon) he has added the square root of SFA to our club since his arrival. Ok when DW arrived on the scene 4 years ago Town were 19th in the championship having been mullered ay home by Leeds 0-3....30 games later , and after 10 wins and 14 defeats we finished the season, 19th...where we were when he arrived. When Jan arrived on the scene last year we were bottom of the PL after 22 games and just 2 wins. Jan had 15 games , winning one and we finished as we were,bottom. This was the PL, not the Championship. The following season DW started with 8 new players from those that finished the year before having been able to recruit from home and overseas.. Jan started on Monday with just 4 different players from those that finished last season against Southampton. What I'm trying to say is while the circumstances were similar DW had an inspired summer in 2016 which surprised everbody with the way the team won promotion. This summer Jan has been hindered, change of owner, relegation, unhappy players and of course having to cut costs .. It's unfair to compare the two..when we ended the first season DW was in charge with a 0--4 defeat at Bristol and a 1-5 home defeat against Brentford you were no doubt moaning too that Wagner was crap, was taking us nowhere and had done nothing to improve us...thank Christ no one listened to you...
Fair points, and as well as only getting 4 new players, JS has to build a squad that has lost multiple internationals. On the counterpoint, despite the continued poor results in that first season under DW, you could see what he was trying to do, there’s a reason we bought into the #wagnerrevolution with record season ticket sales after a statistically poor campaign. There was an obvious vision, strategy and identity for the club. JS has brought none of that, you don’t need to win games to get across what you’re trying to do. Unless the strategy is to look ill prepared, poorly organised and out of your depth, on and off the pitch...excelling at that so far. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 10, 2019 10:03:59 GMT 1
I don't think it's so much people want to criticise him, particularly given how he galvanised the club's fortunes and got us where no one thought possible, but has it not become a commonly held belief that HE was involved in the signing of wingers only for him to then abandon the system that would have accommodated them, leaving us with an unbalanced and discontent dressing room? That's what I hold him to account for. Even though it hurts to think that. Yes I believe you are right. Julian Winter said this (re the wingers) at a q&a at canalside, he looked pretty pissed off about it too. And, DW was still the manager. I can’t believe the naivety on here sometimes. 1. Do people seriously think that David Wagner personally scouted and did all of the required due diligence on the three wingers we brought in, all of this during and after masterminding survival in the PL against all odds and despite the fact we have a head of recruitment, numerous scouts, a head of football operations and other stakeholders. Did they all just take the year off and leave Dave to piss £25M up the wall? Why is Wagner taking the whole blame, is it because he’s no longer here? 2. Does anyone seriously still think these wingers will come good??. Ffs wake up and smell the coffee. These boys are pound for pound the worse signings the club has ever made. The horse has already bolted because they’re a large reason we got relegated but honestly I’ll be surprised if they even go on to be effective championship players. It’s not the players fault clearly although I’d say sobhis attitude probably hasnt been great. There is still a glimmer of hope they will offer something this season in the league below they were bought to play in. Terrible recruitment full stop. 3. Why is Wagner being blamed for not playing wingers? We’ve all seen the standard of the ones he had at his disposal. Was he supposed to play them regardless of the fact they were nowhere near PL quality? Even if he was solely responsible for bringing them in it would still be ridiculous to play them knowing they weren’t good enough. We all saw what happened when Jan decided to play the sub standard goalkeeper we signed. Has everyone forgotten the impressive performances leading up to the Mounie sending off, Wagner was making the best of what he had. A perfect storm put pay to any chance of staying up. His decision to abandon the 4231 out of necessity almost paid off. 4. Why are people talking down Wagner in order to make jan look better, anyone who knows anything about the game can see there is no comparison between the two and their respective impact on the club. I’m not talking about results, I’m talking about every single area. Jan looks as unimpressive in every area as Wagner looked impressive, from day one. 5. What’s with all the crap about it not being jans team? Since when did managers come into a club and only get judged after three transfer windows? Managers need to manage the players they inherit, that’s the job. Why the club is even talking about three windows is another issue, yet another idiotic thing to come out and say unless they think it will help with the fire sale. Although we don’t need to sell anyone of course. His appointment looked ridiculous and naive on day one, we’re all hoping he comes good and he deserves a little more time but based on what I’ve seen to date I don’t see him ever getting this team to perform. |
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Post by griffa on Aug 10, 2019 10:12:58 GMT 1
Jan Siewert is in my opinion unsuitable as Manager of HTAFC. He's not good enough, in my opinion, I've watched Town since 1962, seen some excellent Ten teams managed by great Town Managers, such as Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton & David Wagner. I dearly hope that we offload JS soon, as his record, since becoming Town Manager, is piss poor - UTT.
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Post by detox on Aug 10, 2019 10:17:00 GMT 1
Ok when DW arrived on the scene 4 years ago Town were 19th in the championship having been mullered ay home by Leeds 0-3....30 games later , and after 10 wins and 14 defeats we finished the season, 19th...where we were when he arrived. When Jan arrived on the scene last year we were bottom of the PL after 22 games and just 2 wins. Jan had 15 games , winning one and we finished as we were,bottom. This was the PL, not the Championship. The following season DW started with 8 new players from those that finished the year before having been able to recruit from home and overseas.. Jan started on Monday with just 4 different players from those that finished last season against Southampton. What I'm trying to say is while the circumstances were similar DW had an inspired summer in 2016 which surprised everbody with the way the team won promotion. This summer Jan has been hindered, change of owner, relegation, unhappy players and of course having to cut costs .. It's unfair to compare the two..when we ended the first season DW was in charge with a 0--4 defeat at Bristol and a 1-5 home defeat against Brentford you were no doubt moaning too that Wagner was crap, was taking us nowhere and had done nothing to improve us...thank Christ no one listened to you...
Fair points, and as well as only getting 4 new players, JS has to build a squad that has lost multiple internationals. On the counterpoint, despite the continued poor results in that first season under DW, you could see what he was trying to do, there’s a reason we bought into the #wagnerrevolution with record season ticket sales after a statistically poor campaign. There was an obvious vision, strategy and identity for the club. JS has brought none of that, you don’t need to win games to get across what you’re trying to do. Unless the strategy is to look ill prepared, poorly organised and out of your depth, on and off the pitch...excelling at that so far. that's pretty much what I thought after bristol City and then Brentford totally mulllered us with DW in charge...but the point you've missed is that DW did nothing with the team he inherited, same a Jan. It was only with wholesale changes that enable DW to implement his style of football..jan hasn't had that luxury yet...give it time is all I'm saying, it might work out, it might not..but he at least deserves 10-15 games with something more like the players he wants in the team... |
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 10, 2019 10:24:57 GMT 1
Jan Siebert is in my opinion unsuitable as Manager of HTAFC. He's not good enough, in my opinion, I've watched Town since 1962, seen some excellent Ten teams managed by great Town Managers, such as Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton & David Wagner. I dearly hope that we offload JS soon, as his record, since becoming Town Manager, is posts poor - UTT. You make your feeling abundantly clear about Jan Siebert whoever he is but what about Town's manager Jan Siewert? |
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Post by griffa on Aug 10, 2019 10:30:08 GMT 1
Jan Siebert is in my opinion unsuitable as Manager of HTAFC. He's not good enough, in my opinion, I've watched Town since 1962, seen some excellent Ten teams managed by great Town Managers, such as Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton & David Wagner. I dearly hope that we offload JS soon, as his record, since becoming Town Manager, is posts poor - UTT. You make your feeling abundantly clear about Jan Siebert whoever he is but what about Town's manager Jan Siewert? Typo, you are hilarious, not! |
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Post by zoso on Aug 10, 2019 10:39:34 GMT 1
Yes I believe you are right. Julian Winter said this (re the wingers) at a q&a at canalside, he looked pretty pissed off about it too. And, DW was still the manager. I can’t believe the naivety on here sometimes. 1. Do people seriously think that David Wagner personally scouted and did all of the required due diligence on the three wingers we brought in, all of this during and after masterminding survival in the PL against all odds and despite the fact we have a head of recruitment, numerous scouts, a head of football operations and other stakeholders. Did they all just take the year off and leave Dave to piss £25M up the wall? Why is Wagner taking the whole blame, is it because he’s no longer here? 2. Does anyone seriously still think these wingers will come good??. Ffs wake up and smell the coffee. These boys are pound for pound the worse signings the club has ever made. The horse has already bolted because they’re a large reason we got relegated but honestly I’ll be surprised if they even go on to be effective championship players. It’s not the players fault clearly although I’d say sobhis attitude probably hasnt been great. There is still a glimmer of hope they will offer something this season in the league below they were bought to play in. Terrible recruitment full stop. 3. Why is Wagner being blamed for not playing wingers? We’ve all seen the standard of the ones he had at his disposal. Was he supposed to play them regardless of the fact they were nowhere near PL quality? Even if he was solely responsible for bringing them in it would still be ridiculous to play them knowing they weren’t good enough. We all saw what happened when Jan decided to play the sub standard goalkeeper we signed. Has everyone forgotten the impressive performances leading up to the Mounie sending off, Wagner was making the best of what he had. A perfect storm put pay to any chance of staying up. His decision to abandon the 4231 out of necessity almost paid off. 4. Why are people talking down Wagner in order to make jan look better, anyone who knows anything about the game can see there is no comparison between the two and their respective impact on the club. I’m not talking about results, I’m talking about every single area. Jan looks as unimpressive in every area as Wagner looked impressive, from day one. 5. What’s with all the crap about it not being jans team? Since when did managers come into a club and only get judged after three transfer windows? Managers need to manage the players they inherit, that’s the job. Why the club is even talking about three windows is another issue, yet another idiotic thing to come out and say unless they think it will help with the fire sale. Although we don’t need to sell anyone of course. His appointment looked ridiculous and naive on day one, we’re all hoping he comes good and he deserves a little more time but based on what I’ve seen to date I don’t see him ever getting this team to perform. I'm only repeating what Julian Winter said, David Wagner wanted wingers, whoever was in charge of bringing players into the club bought wingers. Then, David Wagner changed his mind about how we were going to play. Don't know how that makes me naive, just repeating what was said at a q & a at canalside...  |
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Post by royrace on Aug 10, 2019 10:48:44 GMT 1
I can’t believe the naivety on here sometimes. 1. Do people seriously think that David Wagner personally scouted and did all of the required due diligence on the three wingers we brought in, all of this during and after masterminding survival in the PL against all odds and despite the fact we have a head of recruitment, numerous scouts, a head of football operations and other stakeholders. Did they all just take the year off and leave Dave to piss £25M up the wall? Why is Wagner taking the whole blame, is it because he’s no longer here? 2. Does anyone seriously still think these wingers will come good??. Ffs wake up and smell the coffee. These boys are pound for pound the worse signings the club has ever made. The horse has already bolted because they’re a large reason we got relegated but honestly I’ll be surprised if they even go on to be effective championship players. It’s not the players fault clearly although I’d say sobhis attitude probably hasnt been great. There is still a glimmer of hope they will offer something this season in the league below they were bought to play in. Terrible recruitment full stop. 3. Why is Wagner being blamed for not playing wingers? We’ve all seen the standard of the ones he had at his disposal. Was he supposed to play them regardless of the fact they were nowhere near PL quality? Even if he was solely responsible for bringing them in it would still be ridiculous to play them knowing they weren’t good enough. We all saw what happened when Jan decided to play the sub standard goalkeeper we signed. Has everyone forgotten the impressive performances leading up to the Mounie sending off, Wagner was making the best of what he had. A perfect storm put pay to any chance of staying up. His decision to abandon the 4231 out of necessity almost paid off. 4. Why are people talking down Wagner in order to make jan look better, anyone who knows anything about the game can see there is no comparison between the two and their respective impact on the club. I’m not talking about results, I’m talking about every single area. Jan looks as unimpressive in every area as Wagner looked impressive, from day one. 5. What’s with all the crap about it not being jans team? Since when did managers come into a club and only get judged after three transfer windows? Managers need to manage the players they inherit, that’s the job. Why the club is even talking about three windows is another issue, yet another idiotic thing to come out and say unless they think it will help with the fire sale. Although we don’t need to sell anyone of course. His appointment looked ridiculous and naive on day one, we’re all hoping he comes good and he deserves a little more time but based on what I’ve seen to date I don’t see him ever getting this team to perform. I'm only repeating what Julian Winter said, David Wagner wanted wingers, whoever was in charge of bringing players into the club bought wingers. Then, David Wagner changed his mind about how we were going to play. Don't know how that makes me naive, just repeating what was said at a q & a at canalside... Sorry didn't mean you personally were naive. I don't like the comment from the club and I don't think it's relevant or credible. Its too simplistic, fails to take into account the quality of the wingers and smacks of the board being slopey shouldered and patronising to the club's fans. Not to mention blaming a guy who isn't around to defend himself. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 10, 2019 11:04:24 GMT 1
Our manager is highly respected by Klopp and others in Germany especially for his ability to develop young players in their national team.
We can have opinions and discuss his suitability for Town, but frankly, there have been some appalling comments here and total disrespect for the man.
We’ve got good long term potential with him, but long term means that he needs time, and if we are real supporters we should support Town no matter what, instead of being a bunch of self-entitled tossers like so many fans of other clubs are these days.
I’ve been a Town fan for nearly 50 years and I’ll still support them no matter what. I’m excited by the prospect of what JS can do for us long term with the young players that we have and I hope that PH’s patience holds out.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 10, 2019 11:11:29 GMT 1
Siewert has a terrible record but he needs his own players, not the ones who downed tools when Wagner took his ball home. Will he be a success? Who knows? I have the feeling the club will stick with him. He just needs a little luck. I cant think why that could be  , may be his standard of management is compatible with the standard of in-depth thoughtful posts on here? |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 10, 2019 11:15:05 GMT 1
Our manager is highly respected by Klopp and others in Germany especially for his ability to develop young players in their national team. We can have opinions and discuss his suitability for Town, but frankly, there have been some appalling comments here and total disrespect for the man. We’ve got good long term potential with him, but long term means that he needs time, and if we are real supporters we should support Town no matter what, instead of being a bunch of self-entitled tossers like so many fans of other clubs are these days. I’ve been a Town fan for nearly 50 years and I’ll still support them no matter what. I’m excited by the prospect of what JS can do for us long term with the young players that we have and I hope that PH’s patience holds out. surely a yellow card, no place for this kind of thinking or any kind of thinking on here |
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Post by griffa on Aug 10, 2019 11:17:18 GMT 1
Our manager is highly respected by Klopp and others in Germany especially for his ability to develop young players in their national team. We can have opinions and discuss his suitability for Town, but frankly, there have been some appalling comments here and total disrespect for the man. We’ve got good long term potential with him, but long term means that he needs time, and if we are real supporters we should support Town no matter what, instead of being a bunch of self-entitled tossers like so many fans of other clubs are these days. I’ve been a Town fan for nearly 50 years and I’ll still support them no matter what. I’m excited by the prospect of what JS can do for us long term with the young players that we have and I hope that PH’s patience holds out. Judging by his record since this joining Town, if we stick with him, we maybe in Division 1, next season, is that long term enough? - UTT. |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 11:23:33 GMT 1
Jan Siewert is in my opinion unsuitable as Manager of HTAFC. He's not good enough, in my opinion, I've watched Town since 1962, seen some excellent Ten teams managed by great Town Managers, such as Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton & David Wagner. I dearly hope that we offload JS soon, as his record, since becoming Town Manager, is piss poor - UTT. I started in 1962 as well Ipswich at home sixpence to get in |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 10, 2019 11:24:34 GMT 1
Our manager is highly respected by Klopp and others in Germany especially for his ability to develop young players in their national team. We can have opinions and discuss his suitability for Town, but frankly, there have been some appalling comments here and total disrespect for the man. We’ve got good long term potential with him, but long term means that he needs time, and if we are real supporters we should support Town no matter what, instead of being a bunch of self-entitled tossers like so many fans of other clubs are these days. I’ve been a Town fan for nearly 50 years and I’ll still support them no matter what. I’m excited by the prospect of what JS can do for us long term with the young players that we have and I hope that PH’s patience holds out. Judging by his record since this joining Town, if we stick with him, we maybe in Division 1, next season, is that long term enough? - UTT. If that’s all that we can afford to achieve as a club with meagre resources, then yes. We all want to be in the PL but it’s not worth risking bankrupting the club to try and achieve that. We may get lucky again with JS as we did with DW, or we may not. I reckon we’ll hold our own for a season or two at the present level then pop up to the PL for a season to grab another £100m. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 11:29:40 GMT 1
No. He’s not David Wagner. None of the next 10 managers will be. Get used to it. Some of you didn’t realise what we had with Wagner which beggars belief - you believed the extraordinary was the ordinary. Compare Siewert to Powell & Robins If he went we’re still left with the underinvested, imbalanced squad without a left back and enough centre mids and paid summer signings from league 2 & below Hodgkinson has already lost a proportion of the fans who don’t believe his word. He’s gone over the top to praise Siewert - he’d looked ridiculous to get rid of him And surely none of you / him expect this team to be in the top half. With different leadership it was a top 6 squad every day of the week. Phil will like supporters like you who’s ambitions are what? Survival in the league below or the dizzy heights of mid table mediocracy? We were already there 3 years ago. What was the point being promoted and fighting to stay up if we have no loftier ambitions that what we had before not to mention a much improved squad? |
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 10, 2019 11:31:08 GMT 1
Our manager is highly respected by Klopp and others in Germany especially for his ability to develop young players in their national team. We can have opinions and discuss his suitability for Town, but frankly, there have been some appalling comments here and total disrespect for the man. We’ve got good long term potential with him, but long term means that he needs time, and if we are real supporters we should support Town no matter what, instead of being a bunch of self-entitled tossers like so many fans of other clubs are these days. I’ve been a Town fan for nearly 50 years and I’ll still support them no matter what. I’m excited by the prospect of what JS can do for us long term with the young players that we have and I hope that PH’s patience holds out. Judging by his record since this joining Town, if we stick with him, we maybe in Division 1, next season, is that long term enough? - UTT. Let me guess you are sat at home posting your comments whilst this self entitled tosser waits for some of his family to join him before going to QPR, and this same self entitled tosser holds six company season tickets came to the Derby match despite it being on telly and drives on average 30k miles per year watching my club. And just so you understand what I am saying I think JS is Fuck—- Crap and not one person on here can state what he has brought to the club in his time because ( and this is so you understand again) he has brought F—-k All |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 11:31:16 GMT 1
Judging by his record since this joining Town, if we stick with him, we maybe in Division 1, next season, is that long term enough? - UTT. If that’s all that we can afford to achieve as a club with meagre resources, then yes. We all want to be in the PL but it’s not worth risking bankrupting the club to try and achieve that. We may get lucky again with JS as we did with DW, or we may not. I reckon we’ll hold our own for a season or two at the present level then pop up to the PL for a season to grab another £100m. Our best and realistically only real chance of getting back up is this season...unless a new owner comes in with resources to do what Villa did at the 5/6th year of absence was it? |
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, may be his standard of management is compatible with the standard of in-depth thoughtful posts on here?