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Post by towntastic on Aug 26, 2019 13:26:14 GMT 1
So basically, all your points are actually based on blind faith? Trust is very different from faith |
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Post by willo on Aug 26, 2019 13:49:43 GMT 1
Maybe he (wisely) decided not to splurge the pot to support Jan, a manager that he didn't pick and probably didn't rate. Rather wait, get a decent DoF and new manager in and then use the pot to build a team. Seems like a plan. Yep. It's the most obvious and sensible explanation. Agreed. But if that is the plan, why not let the supporters know? It may pacify a few. |
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Post by willo on Aug 26, 2019 13:53:39 GMT 1
The problem is the fans expectations though. If we employed someone with a decent pedigree that most folk were happy with & we still headed south, there are some supporters who would just thrash out regardless. We need a win badly, but let's be mindful that we're still in a far better position than many other clubs. Expectations are high and rightly so. Whoever is appointed, you will never please all of the people all of the time but I think many are expecting someone with some experience at this level and who the crowd can unite behind. If we appoint another unknown foreign manager, I think there’ll be every right to feel aggrieved. It’s not what is required at this moment in time. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 26, 2019 14:15:29 GMT 1
They were not playing for Dave, they would not play for Jan and they are still not doing enough for Mark.
The common denominator here is the players.
They failed to impress enough in the last season to get themselves a move and it's become a self pitying, self absorbed carry on.
We are stuck till January and even then it's gonna take some bollocks to offload some and take a hit.
So Mr Shouty will have some more shouting to do but he will be doing it at the wrong person until he has enough time or leeway to sort out the big problems.?
Sack the board. Bring in Allardyce, get a fucking faith healer in, makes no difference till the chairman and the manager has some fucking leverage over the big earners who are failing to earn their money.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 26, 2019 15:24:14 GMT 1
They were not playing for Dave, they would not play for Jan and they are still not doing enough for Mark. The common denominator here is the players. They failed to impress enough in the last season to get themselves a move and it's become a self pitying, self absorbed carry on. We are stuck till January and even then it's gonna take some bollocks to offload some and take a hit. So Mr Shouty will have some more shouting to do but he will be doing it at the wrong person until he has enough time or leeway to sort out the big problems.? Sack the board. Bring in Allardyce, get a fucking faith healer in, makes no difference till the chairman and the manager has some fucking leverage over the big earners who are failing to earn their money. You keep saying this yet we keep picking them |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 26, 2019 15:38:45 GMT 1
Given the last 12 months it would be a brave man to pick a very different starting 11.
I think the few changes are more in hope than anything else that we can play 90 minutes without a decent number of the team just switching off totally.
Hope that the possession stats bring more actual opportunities and more than one ends up going in.
Bit of luck or poor decisions not virtually always proving fatal.
First we have to produce a 90 that does not include switching off as a bloody team for periods and one in which we defend further up the pitch, once we stop asking for it, it might just stop happening to us. We assist in so many goals against it's become just part of the Town match.
If you can't score work like fuck on not concerning, if you defend your penalty box as badly as we do, stop fucking doing it as a tactic, running away is and has not worked for us.
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 27, 2019 8:06:03 GMT 1
£250 Million suddenly gone?? Which part of the atmosphere has that statement been plucked from? We were told that the PL money was to set us up for 10 years. This obviously isn't the case as we are being forced to sell or loan out most of our better players to get some cash. The figures don't add up. How has PH bought the club? Why is there no money for transfers? £250 spent on players, wages, agents, Canalside and stadium. Hardly "suddenly gone" Remaing money will set us up for years. Not if we blow our brains and spend it all on new players it won't. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 27, 2019 8:10:03 GMT 1
So you are privy to his bank balance then ? I am not and why should I be ! No one is privy to mine other than my bank. We have spent less money in this transfer window than Stan Ternent had to spend in 2008 and you're telling me there's loads of money? We also started off with a squad worth £120m that should be more than capable of competing in this division. Stan didn't. He also bought players that list the club money, which we didn't have |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 8:37:29 GMT 1
We have spent less money in this transfer window than Stan Ternent had to spend in 2008 and you're telling me there's loads of money? We also started off with a squad worth £120m that should be more than capable of competing in this division. Stan didn't. He also bought players that list the club money, which we didn't have Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 27, 2019 8:57:30 GMT 1
We also started off with a squad worth £120m that should be more than capable of competing in this division. Stan didn't. He also bought players that list the club money, which we didn't have Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. IF the players we have spent £10m on with matching contracts are not capable of competing in this division, it is hardly the fault of the current chairman is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:00:46 GMT 1
Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. IF the players we have spent £10m on with matching contracts are not capable of competing in this division, it is hardly the fault of the current chairman is it? I agree, but he has let some of the better players go and they've been replaced with lower league cheap options and free transfers. He's doing it on the cheap and it isn't working. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 27, 2019 9:08:59 GMT 1
IF the players we have spent £10m on with matching contracts are not capable of competing in this division, it is hardly the fault of the current chairman is it? I agree, but he has let some of the better players go and they've been replaced with lower league cheap options and free transfers. He's doing it on the cheap and it isn't working. I think the last match under Hudson. Its become clear that the bigger issues are fitness and confidence {or lack of} and as you point out yourself, how much we paid for a player dies not anyways equal asuccess |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:13:44 GMT 1
The only question I'd like answering is how is it that it seems Phil owns the company that retains the major shareholding in Southport FC.
Has the paperwork not caught up yet, or is it a potential case of him not being fully aware of the rules because there's too many of them again?
Look at the confirmation statement for Southport and note the major shareholders.
Then look at the ownership of Astute Business Management Consultants Ltd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:18:36 GMT 1
IF the players we have spent £10m on with matching contracts are not capable of competing in this division, it is hardly the fault of the current chairman is it? I agree, but he has let some of the better players go and they've been replaced with lower league cheap options and free transfers. He's doing it on the cheap and it isn't working. There's only really been three players out that I would have preferred to keep. Billing, Lowe and Mooy. Left back is a problem position and I agree an adequate replacement should have been sourced. Mooy, considering his last minute move left us no time to bring in his replacement. You were at the Q&A, PH told you and everybody else in attendance what the consequences of players leaving that late in the window would be.... January. Billing I can live without. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:23:02 GMT 1
I agree, but he has let some of the better players go and they've been replaced with lower league cheap options and free transfers. He's doing it on the cheap and it isn't working. There's only really been three players out that I would have preferred to keep. Billing, Lowe and Mooy. Left back is a problem position and I agree an adequate replacement should have been sourced. Mooy, considering his last minute move left us no time to bring in his replacement. You were at the Q&A, PH told you and everybody else in attendance what the consequences of players leaving that late in the window would be.... January. Billing I can live without. I was also there when he said "one out, one in", "each player has a replacement lined up" and "we don't need to sell anyone". Who replaced Billing? Who replaced Zanka? Who replaced Chris Lowe? Who replaced Ben Hamer? Who replaced Tommy Smith? |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 27, 2019 9:26:35 GMT 1
We also started off with a squad worth £120m that should be more than capable of competing in this division. Stan didn't. He also bought players that list the club money, which we didn't have Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. Add Grant to that list |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2019 9:27:48 GMT 1
We also started off with a squad worth £120m that should be more than capable of competing in this division. Stan didn't. He also bought players that list the club money, which we didn't have Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. In which case, how do you expect us to compete and who is going to buy the rest as you call them? It takes time - these lads are on multi million pound contracts...........its not like league 2 where you might lose £150k on a bad deal - this is massive money at stake now, and having shelled out millions on with all respect "duds" we are now having to cut our cloth. Or should we spend what we don't have and end up like Bolton have done?!!! We have made some massive mistakes from top to bottom - and almost all of them before the current chairman took the helm. It was always going to be tough following Dean...........only time will tell what now happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:29:42 GMT 1
Based on what? The majority of that squad aren't good enough, there's only Kongolo, Schindler, Grabara and Chalobah that are anywhere near good enough for a side that should be "competing". The rest? Not a chance on this earth. In which case, how do you expect us to compete and who is going to buy the rest as you call them? It takes time - these lads are on multi million pound contracts...........its not like league 2 where you might lose £150k on a bad deal - this is massive money at stake now, and having shelled out millions on with all respect "duds" we are now having to cut our cloth. Or should we spend what we don't have and end up like Bolton have done?!!! We have made some massive mistakes from top to bottom - and almost all of them before the current chairman took the helm. It was always going to be tough following Dean...........only time will tell what now happens. I expect a better recruitment strategy, something we have lacked for over 2 years now. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2019 9:32:18 GMT 1
There's only really been three players out that I would have preferred to keep. Billing, Lowe and Mooy. Left back is a problem position and I agree an adequate replacement should have been sourced. Mooy, considering his last minute move left us no time to bring in his replacement. You were at the Q&A, PH told you and everybody else in attendance what the consequences of players leaving that late in the window would be.... January. Billing I can live without. I was also there when he said "one out, one in", "each player has a replacement lined up" and "we don't need to sell anyone". Who replaced Billing? Who replaced Zanka? Who replaced Chris Lowe? Who replaced Ben Hamer? Who replaced Tommy Smith? Chalobah replaced Mooy.............Elphick for Zanka................Brown was earmarked for the left back slot when he was bought. Schofield for Hamer and we already had Flo in the building so Smith was a good deal at nearly 4m. We can argue all day about the merits of the replacements and their quality...........or lack of, but what he said was players had a replacement lined up - and they have had. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:33:51 GMT 1
In which case, how do you expect us to compete and who is going to buy the rest as you call them? It takes time - these lads are on multi million pound contracts...........its not like league 2 where you might lose £150k on a bad deal - this is massive money at stake now, and having shelled out millions on with all respect "duds" we are now having to cut our cloth. Or should we spend what we don't have and end up like Bolton have done?!!! We have made some massive mistakes from top to bottom - and almost all of them before the current chairman took the helm. It was always going to be tough following Dean...........only time will tell what now happens. I expect a better recruitment strategy, something we have lacked for over 2 years now. Don't we all but it may take a couple more transfer windows to achieve this . |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2019 9:34:34 GMT 1
In which case, how do you expect us to compete and who is going to buy the rest as you call them? It takes time - these lads are on multi million pound contracts...........its not like league 2 where you might lose £150k on a bad deal - this is massive money at stake now, and having shelled out millions on with all respect "duds" we are now having to cut our cloth. Or should we spend what we don't have and end up like Bolton have done?!!! We have made some massive mistakes from top to bottom - and almost all of them before the current chairman took the helm. It was always going to be tough following Dean...........only time will tell what now happens. I expect a better recruitment strategy, something we have lacked for over 2 years now. We all do......................but Phil's been here a few months not 2 years plus. If we are being honest, Webber apart we have struggled to recruit and retain a decent DoF throughout Dean's tenure - I don't know why, but it has been a longstanding issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:36:29 GMT 1
I was also there when he said "one out, one in", "each player has a replacement lined up" and "we don't need to sell anyone". Who replaced Billing? Who replaced Zanka? Who replaced Chris Lowe? Who replaced Ben Hamer? Who replaced Tommy Smith? Chalobah replaced Mooy.............Elphick for Zanka................Brown was earmarked for the left back slot when he was bought. Schofield for Hamer and we already had Flo in the building so Smith was a good deal at nearly 4m. We can argue all day about the merits of the replacements and their quality...........or lack of, but what he said was players had a replacement lined up - and they have had. It's a cop out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:37:37 GMT 1
I expect a better recruitment strategy, something we have lacked for over 2 years now. Don't we all but it may take a couple more transfer windows to achieve this . They've had 5 transfer windows to sort it, how many more do they need? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:42:40 GMT 1
There's only really been three players out that I would have preferred to keep. Billing, Lowe and Mooy. Left back is a problem position and I agree an adequate replacement should have been sourced. Mooy, considering his last minute move left us no time to bring in his replacement. You were at the Q&A, PH told you and everybody else in attendance what the consequences of players leaving that late in the window would be.... January. Billing I can live without. I was also there when he said "one out, one in", "each player has a replacement lined up" and "we don't need to sell anyone". Who replaced Billing? Who replaced Zanka? Who replaced Chris Lowe? Who replaced Ben Hamer? Who replaced Tommy Smith? Elphick was brought in for Zanka, ok, not so far shown us what his previous clubs supporters said he would, but I reckon we have good enough players at the club to compensate. Lowe I already spoke about, but Jaden Brown in his limited appearances so far has shown good promise. Hamer? Really! Schofield doesn't need another keeper to block his progress. Haderjonaj would probably keep Smith out anyway on his performances so far. Edit....Just seen Shawsies post, I needn't have bothered.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:45:48 GMT 1
I was also there when he said "one out, one in", "each player has a replacement lined up" and "we don't need to sell anyone". Who replaced Billing? Who replaced Zanka? Who replaced Chris Lowe? Who replaced Ben Hamer? Who replaced Tommy Smith? Elphick was brought in for Zanka, ok, not so far shown us what his previous clubs supporters said he would, but I reckon we have good enough players at the club to compensate. Lowe I already spoke about, but Jaden Brown in his limited appearances so far has shown good promise. Hamer? Really! Schofield doesn't need another keeper to block his progress. Haderjonaj would probably keep Smith out anyway on his performances so far.As a defender he's not up to scratch, I know you will counter that with his attacking play but its irrelevant. A full back's job is to defend first and foremost and he can't even get the basics right. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 27, 2019 9:47:14 GMT 1
Chalobah replaced Mooy.............Elphick for Zanka................Brown was earmarked for the left back slot when he was bought. Schofield for Hamer and we already had Flo in the building so Smith was a good deal at nearly 4m. We can argue all day about the merits of the replacements and their quality...........or lack of, but what he said was players had a replacement lined up - and they have had. It's a cop out. Is that because you haven't got the answer you had hoped for?! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:49:31 GMT 1
Don't we all but it may take a couple more transfer windows to achieve this . They've had 5 transfer windows to sort it, how many more do they need? Let's see how the new DOF does. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:50:45 GMT 1
Chalobah replaced Mooy.............Elphick for Zanka................Brown was earmarked for the left back slot when he was bought. Schofield for Hamer and we already had Flo in the building so Smith was a good deal at nearly 4m. We can argue all day about the merits of the replacements and their quality...........or lack of, but what he said was players had a replacement lined up - and they have had. It's a cop out. Without sounding to be too rude or flippant it is in my opinion time for you " to cop out" of this thread . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:51:53 GMT 1
Is that because you haven't got the answer you had hoped for?! No, its a cop out because he said we have replacements lined up for all players if and when they leave. Replacing them with academy players and players we already have that aren't good enough in the first place is a cop out. Who will be Mounie's replacement? Quaner? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:52:27 GMT 1
They've had 5 transfer windows to sort it, how many more do they need? Let's see how the new DOF does. Well if he lasts longer than 6 months he's already done better than the two fellas that went before him. |
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