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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 22, 2019 7:59:16 GMT 1
As soon as Kachunga went off were were on the back foot. Thought he performed well and worked hard for his 79 minutes especially after taking a very heavy knock early on. Thought the manager made a mistake taking Bacuna off and bringing Brown on. He looked out of his depth today against Lolley. Otherwise all the team were excellent. All gave 100% - can't ask for more. He looked like a guy that hadn’t played in 6 weeks, don’t think he was out of his depth as much as not match fit and caught cold. Can’t judge him on that cameo as he’s performed really well for us.
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Post by captainblack on Dec 22, 2019 8:02:08 GMT 1
Unfortunately I had to miss yesterdays game, but I was so pleased to see Mounie on the score sheet, the guy has had a torrid time of late,I would love to see him banging in more goals, could this be a turning point ? I am unsure what will happen in the January window , though if Mounie began smacking in the goals then I would be pleased if he stayed, (possibly not a view held by some Town fans).
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 22, 2019 9:06:42 GMT 1
Not the greatest game I’ve ever seen but I enjoyed it in the end. There’s a strong correlation between Town winning and me enjoying the game. Strange that! Forest can arguably count themselves a bit unlucky not to get owt from that game, but tough shit. They were pretty cynical throughout, I thought, but always looked dangerous up front. Two good goals by Town, and both from corners, who would have believed it, though I guess Schindler’s was second phase. Took it really well though. Then a rumble in the tunnel at HT. Not the first time I’ve seen that with the Cowleys! Good stuff! Shame Grant couldn’t finish off that great move from another corner that their goalie blocked. Looks like the Cowley methods are starting to work. Hogg my MOM, closely followed by Grabara and Schindler. Not much to argue with in your post - especially the" win = enjoy" theory. Would just add it's always nice to win (any game) your last game before Santa visits, sets the right tone for the festive season.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 22, 2019 9:16:40 GMT 1
Once chunga went off we got battered down our left by lolley, just shows how good chunga is.
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 22, 2019 9:22:42 GMT 1
I've not read through the entire thread but going back to the ballboy incident, I'm surprised that a bigger fuss hasn't been made of the fact that Semedo very clearly spat at the lad after he wanged the ball past him. If he'd spat at another player I'm sure we'd have seen plenty of reporting about it, but spitting at a kid is the action of an utter scumbag. Surely deserves a ban?
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Post by explorer on Dec 22, 2019 9:23:25 GMT 1
Once chunga went off we got battered down our left by lolley, just shows how good chunga is. So, once Kachunga - who was playing on our right side - went off, we got battered down our left side. You might need to rethink that.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 22, 2019 9:41:09 GMT 1
Jesus Christ. But yeah, we were the cynical ones. Was there a booking for that? Yes. Happened right in front of us. For once, the ref couldn't get his card out fast enough to a Forest player.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 22, 2019 9:48:08 GMT 1
Was there a booking for that? Yes. Happened right in front of us. For once, the ref couldn't get his card out fast enough to a Forest player. Looked a red card for me very high and aggressive. But I was 80 yards away.
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Post by ruggedivy on Dec 22, 2019 10:21:17 GMT 1
Jesus Christ. But yeah, we were the cynical ones. Red card all day! Appalling tackle.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 22, 2019 10:21:26 GMT 1
Kachunga and Chalobah had at least 10 touches between them in the first 5 minutes. More shit coming out of your mouth. Oti is known for his exaggeration. But his point is valid. Both woeful for me Chalobah looks reminds me of Trevor cherries kids when I was a kid. Thought they great just because. Trevoh. Bit of advice. Work hard. Run hard. You might just make a career out of it. Carry on like this and you’ll blow your opportunity OK, I know I have rose tinted specs but Chalobah is playing out of position. He regularly drops back to receive the ball from the centre backs but the general link up play between our centre mids is not great. Hogg's distribution is hit and miss. Bacuna wants to run with the ball, nothing wrong with that but Forest moved the ball much slicker than we did from the back. Chalobah covers pretty well, closes down and tackles. With O'Brien back in there I think the link up play would improve. O'Brien has an eye for a pass and will do that just as readily as he will run at players, makes him very hard to mark and makes us flow better as a team. Not sure where Bacuna's best position is but I would probably play him wide if we have to do that to get O'Brien back in. I think Chelsea may have conditions on Chalobah's loan so he has to play somewhere and that is probably his most effective position in our squad at the moment.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 22, 2019 10:21:28 GMT 1
It looked bad in front of us but if anything looks worse from that angle. It looked like Forest made some substitutions mainly based on players being on yellows and wanting to keep 11 men on to the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 10:38:49 GMT 1
Even the deluded Forest fans on their forum agree it was a red.
There really are some dire officials in this league. Dread to think what they’re like in the lower leagues.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Dec 22, 2019 10:44:01 GMT 1
Even the deluded Forest fans on their forum agree it was a red. There really are some dire officials in this league. Dread to think what they’re like in the lower leagues. This was the same referee that played on when Hogg was down with a head injury at Luton. Enough said.
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Post by htfc1908 on Dec 22, 2019 10:48:47 GMT 1
Even the deluded Forest fans on their forum agree it was a red. There really are some dire officials in this league. Dread to think what they’re like in the lower leagues. Hopefully we won't find out
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 22, 2019 10:50:55 GMT 1
Big club forest losing to likes of Huddersfield. They've been shite for decades.
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 22, 2019 11:04:31 GMT 1
The chance of scoring from a corner is 2%. Work that one out, or are they independent events? That's directly...not 4 bobbles. I had to just look this up in "The Numbers Game" - Anderson & Sally. Mourinho was perplexed when he first came to the PL when the crowd roared on the award of a corner, because the crowd think that corners are the next best thing to a goal - they are not. Although shots on goal lead to more corners, the data from PL and EFL show that the award of more corners doesn't mean more goals. Shots on goal following a corner only occur after 20.5% of corners, or a shot for every 5 corners near enough. Only 11% of these shots (say 1 in 9) results in a goal. Therefore, yes, if we have scored only 4 goals after 750 corners then this is below average, but I'd be grateful if you could point me to the figures here, but don't bother if it isn't readily available. Hence, we should have scored 4 goals after about 200 corners. In Town's defence, I bet our goals to corner average took a real hit in the two seasons in the PL, and I'm sure in the last 2.5 seasons we've had more goals scored against us following our award of a corner due to quick breaks, than we scored. Also, this is why Barcelona never wallop a corner into the penalty area, but always play it short. Do Town have the discipline to play a corner back to the half way line and build the attack from scratch - I doubt it, but it would eradicate the counter-attack. More importantly than goals we don't score from corners, is the goals that we concede from corners. I believe that we are the highest in the Championship this season, at 10. Rather than addressing why our corner crosses don't clear the first man, it might be best to start by investigating why other teams score so many corners against us. Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/113423/charlton-town-match-thread?page=21#ixzz68pRPpdBS
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 22, 2019 11:21:44 GMT 1
I read once that you are more likely to score in the 20 seconds after facing a goal-kick than you are from a corner. So the sensible thing to do is to kick a corner straight out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 11:34:58 GMT 1
I read once that you are more likely to score in the 20 seconds after facing a goal-kick than you are from a corner. So the sensible thing to do is to kick a corner straight out. So when Hamer attempted to pass a goal kick backwards and it went straight out for a corner at Bristol City last year, he was in fact playing the percentage game? Is he a visionary? Or does the 20 seconds after a goal kick run concurrently with the awarding of a corner and its associated stats? I’m not sure anyone will have researched this unique show of ineptness. That said, there is possibly only 1 recorded example. Therefore, I proclaim that the chances of scoring from a corner that has just been given after a keeper played a goal kick backwards are zero.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 22, 2019 11:52:32 GMT 1
Jesus Christ. But yeah, we were the cynical ones. Even worse than I thought, two footed and off the ground. 100% a red card, the ref absolutely bottled that along with a few others. To be honest I think he was annoyed at our time wasting and allowed Forest to get away with half a dozen cheap shots, which is pretty disgraceful. On another day Bacuna and Hogg could’ve put for weeks. worse than 2 footed the old scissor foul could have broke his leg. If they look at this again in good old VAR land "home of the misconceived" he get 5 week ban
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 22, 2019 11:55:28 GMT 1
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 22, 2019 11:57:45 GMT 1
They’ve been irrelevant for a very long time.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 22, 2019 12:06:37 GMT 1
They’ve been irrelevant for a very long time. Even seen Wendies, on twitter, telling them they're coming across like Leeds fans 🤣
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 22, 2019 12:09:11 GMT 1
That's directly...not 4 bobbles. I had to just look this up in "The Numbers Game" - Anderson & Sally. Mourinho was perplexed when he first came to the PL when the crowd roared on the award of a corner, because the crowd think that corners are the next best thing to a goal - they are not. Although shots on goal lead to more corners, the data from PL and EFL show that the award of more corners doesn't mean more goals. Shots on goal following a corner only occur after 20.5% of corners, or a shot for every 5 corners near enough. Only 11% of these shots (say 1 in 9) results in a goal. Therefore, yes, if we have scored only 4 goals after 750 corners then this is below average, but I'd be grateful if you could point me to the figures here, but don't bother if it isn't readily available. Hence, we should have scored 4 goals after about 200 corners. In Town's defence, I bet our goals to corner average took a real hit in the two seasons in the PL, and I'm sure in the last 2.5 seasons we've had more goals scored against us following our award of a corner due to quick breaks, than we scored. Also, this is why Barcelona never wallop a corner into the penalty area, but always play it short. Do Town have the discipline to play a corner back to the half way line and build the attack from scratch - I doubt it, but it would eradicate the counter-attack. More importantly than goals we don't score from corners, is the goals that we concede from corners. I believe that we are the highest in the Championship this season, at 10. Rather than addressing why our corner crosses don't clear the first man, it might be best to start by investigating why other teams score so many corners against us. Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/113423/charlton-town-match-thread?page=21#ixzz68pRPpdBSPart of the press game and modern strategy is trying to take advantage of teams out of formation. That's why speed is of the essence and quickly getting the ball back a priority. 4-4-2 is very, very hard to break down if shape is kept. As soon as Forest won the ball back they broke...or tried to....every single time. I predict you will soon see largely short corners and then passes from the corner back to the halfway line. Its the same with most throw-ins...of little value.
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Post by Galpharmer on Dec 22, 2019 12:11:26 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Dec 22, 2019 12:26:44 GMT 1
The big difference for me is that we can mix-it-up again! We haven’t seen that for two seasons. We’ve been predictable, flat and far too meek for far too long. The gam yesterday and games at Wigan, Charlton et al show that we can and are happy to be the antagonists, to be aggressive and change our style of play to suit.
There was only one way Forest we’re going to score yesterday, and that was from a set-piece - which they did (I thought it was an unfortunate corner too). They set-up to hit us on the break and when they went 1-0 down, they carried little threat as there wasn’t space to do so. I can’t think of passage of play where they kept the ball and worked us with possession and tried to control the game.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 22, 2019 12:36:04 GMT 1
Even the deluded Forest fans on their forum agree it was a red. There really are some dire officials in this league. Dread to think what they’re like in the lower leagues. Thing is they're banging on about our shithouse tactics, dark arts, Cowley's worst I've ever seen etc etc well rather than it being Hogg chopped down like that, ( or indeed shoved through the electronic advertising boards ) had it been Patrick Bamford for example ( picked him because he rolled over about 6 times the other week after a Hogg tackle, but it could be any one of hundreds nowadays ) the ref would have been forced to dish out a red card - so while I'm glad that Johnny Hogg is one of a dying breed of old school footballers that can give it and take it, which is the way it should be, it's like being fouled in the box, if you don't go down you usually don't get the penalty, you're penalised for being an honest pro, rewarded for being a cheat. If any Forest fans are reading this before you get on your high horse, sadly we / HTFC , like every club in the 92 league pyramid, from Liverpool to Stevenage, have players that cheat, you were just lucky in twice wiping Hogg out that he's not one of them
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 22, 2019 13:50:05 GMT 1
They’ve been irrelevant for a very long time. They have actually been irrelevant for all bar about 10-15 years of their history. They were a nothing club before Clough and not very much post-Clough.
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 22, 2019 13:52:09 GMT 1
Two things, Why is he filming himself laying bed the weird fuck and two, why’s he got a dead cat on his head? EDIT - and three, why has nick liked it? Fml
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 22, 2019 14:21:19 GMT 1
I've not read through the entire thread but going back to the ballboy incident, I'm surprised that a bigger fuss hasn't been made of the fact that Semedo very clearly spat at the lad after he wanged the ball past him. If he'd spat at another player I'm sure we'd have seen plenty of reporting about it, but spitting at a kid is the action of an utter scumbag. Surely deserves a ban? The incident happended directly in front of me and I can confirm that he did not spit at the ball boy, he gave him a gob full yes but did not spit at him.
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 22, 2019 15:56:14 GMT 1
I've not read through the entire thread but going back to the ballboy incident, I'm surprised that a bigger fuss hasn't been made of the fact that Semedo very clearly spat at the lad after he wanged the ball past him. If he'd spat at another player I'm sure we'd have seen plenty of reporting about it, but spitting at a kid is the action of an utter scumbag. Surely deserves a ban? The incident happended directly in front of me and I can confirm that he did not spit at the ball boy, he gave him a gob full yes but did not spit at him. We must sit fairly close together & I’ll equally confirm that I saw him spit at him as did all the people around me who went ballistic when he did it.
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