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Post by ldotm on Jul 15, 2020 16:20:11 GMT 1
I think everyone is in agreement that we need a massive clear out this summer and have a proper rebuild, which brings me to my question. Is there anybody in this current squad you’d be gutted to see go or would you be content with every single senior player out the door?
Excluding loans as they aren’t ours anyway & youth players as they’ve not been a part of this mess.. for me the only three I’d want to stay which is a sad indictment of the mess we are in are;
O’Brien - not been at his best since the restart but over the season has been a shining light, given its his first experience at this level. Still very young, lots of energy and grit and will only get better.
Toffolo - Similar to O’Brien in the sense, not been the same since the restart. However, there’s a player in there for me, and is a threat going forward.
Bacuna - Nobody represents “hot and cold” more than Bacuna but again I think he’s a proper talent and with the right coaching, he could be a top player at this level. Doesn’t help that he’s played all over the pitch and has no consistency.
I would be sad to see Hogg & Schindler go for everything they’ve done and achieved for this club but I’d also agree it may be the best for both parties for them to move on now.
All the others I wouldn’t batter an eyelid and would not blame the club one bit for letting them go.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 15, 2020 16:22:18 GMT 1
I'd be happy to see them all leave. Managers included.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 15, 2020 16:31:42 GMT 1
I think everyone is in agreement that we need a massive clear out this summer and have a proper rebuild, which brings me to my question. Is there anybody in this current squad you’d be gutted to see go or would you be content with every single senior player out the door? Excluding loans as they aren’t ours anyway & youth players as they’ve not been a part of this mess.. for me the only three I’d want to stay which is a sad indictment of the mess we are in are; O’Brien - not been at his best since the restart but over the season has been a shining light, given its his first experience at this level. Still very young, lots of energy and grit and will only get better. Toffolo - Similar to O’Brien in the sense, not been the same since the restart. However, there’s a player in there for me, and is a threat going forward. Bacuna - Nobody represents “hot and cold” more than Bacuna but again I think he’s a proper talent and with the right coaching, he could be a top player at this level. Doesn’t help that he’s played all over the pitch and has no consistency. I would be sad to see Hogg & Schindler go for everything they’ve done and achieved for this club but I’d also agree it may be the best for both parties for them to move on now. All the others I wouldn’t batter an eyelid and would not blame the club one bit for letting them go. That sounds like exactly the kind of activity that started all this pandemic stuff off in the first place. Are you Chinese?
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Post by marshterrier on Jul 15, 2020 16:32:47 GMT 1
It depends on who is contracted and the likelihood of a fee for any of them. O'Brien and Toffs can stay - the rest can take a hike... wasted too much money on them for little return. My guess is we are lumbered with too many wasters we cant get rid off?
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 15, 2020 16:33:20 GMT 1
Unless players are out of contract, you need other clubs to want to buy your players AND be prepared to pay the wages you are paying. I can't see anyone wanting to buy any of our players and offer equivalent wages (O'Brien, Mounie & Grant aside). They'll all be staying unfortunately.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 15, 2020 16:34:30 GMT 1
The only first team players I’d 100% want to keep are O’Brien and Toffolo. I’m undecided on Bacuna - I’ve never fully taken to him for some reason - maybe because we can see the talent but there are too many occasions when he’s a liability.
Everyone else, literally everyone else, could go as far as I’m concerned. That’s a terrible indictment of where we are, and I’m sorry that it includes the likes of Schindler, Hogg and Kachunga.
I reckon I’ve got a good eye for upcoming players and I see quite a bit of the lower leagues, but I can’t think of one player I’m aware of in L1 or L2 that I think Town should be going for. Maybe the better options will be those released by PL clubs?
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Post by clayts on Jul 15, 2020 16:37:01 GMT 1
I'd be happy to see them all leave. Managers included. Yes agreed.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2020 16:45:12 GMT 1
Whilst watching last night's match, I said to my sons that I was bored to death with all the players associated with Town.
On reflection, O'Brien must be retained if we can maintain our Championship status. Similarly, I'd try and keep Chalobah and ESR but I have more chance of getting a promise of a jump with Kate Middleton that ESR coming back here. Possibly Toffolo, if we can get our teeth into coaching him how to remain disciplined when defending.
Sadly, I'd happily bin the rest. I include past hero's such as Schindler and Hogg. I feel dirty even writing this.
PS has anybody got Kate's mobile number?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2020 16:48:15 GMT 1
For the sake of the club and the fans sanity, they can all go, rebuild the squad although clearly some will be staying as it's probably impossible to shift them all. I would sell Grant and O'Brien to fund a squad rebuilding programme, see how we go with that.
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Post by sonny on Jul 15, 2020 16:58:31 GMT 1
Bacuna is a Poundland Balotelli. More trouble than he is worth. Will make the same mistakes over and over again. Needs very strong management. Don't think we have that.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 15, 2020 17:01:05 GMT 1
Inevitably all down to money. If we have wasters who are still under contract and not bothered if they play or not and no ones interested in them do we have the finances to pay them off? I'm beginning to doubt it. Hopefully a few will see the writing on the wall and be on to agents even if they are still under contract if its clear they are not in the managers mind for regular first team picks.
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Post by araucaria on Jul 15, 2020 17:05:39 GMT 1
Bacuna could be like Adel Taraabt was, in his 2010-11 wonder season for QPR in 2010-11. Unlike his later managers, like Harry Redknapp ('he wanted me to make more tackles, I think. I'm not that kind of player'), Warnock got the best out of him by giving him his head. Oh, and by fining any of his team-mates who gave him the ball in his own half (which we should certainly have done with our lad).
I'd be sorry never to see Lewis, Hoggy, Schindler and Toffolo in a Town shirt again, but the rest really can't fuck off far enough.
As for the managers, let's review our three previous relegations to that awful league below. We kept all three managers - Greaves, Hand and Macari and they all did a job in their first (and for two of them, only) season in the third division. By 'did a job' you need to remember what came next: the two replaced after one season gave way to Bobby Collins and Mick Wadsworth who both led us immediately to the fourth division. Hand's replacement, Ian Ross, notwithstanding a great run into the play-offs in his first part-season, would certainly have fulfilled the unwritten brief of taking us down to the fourth in his only full season had Buxton not returned to win 12 of the last 17 matches.
So history says, if we go down, keep the Cowleys for one season and then find the biggest twat going to complete another descent from first to fourth.
I write this as someone who still cannot believe that this club spent 6 seasons in the bottom division and who naively believed on 29 May 2017 that it would be a very long time, if ever, that we played in the third division again. I really hope that our 100th season isn't in League One, but if it is, I hope we can come back - maybe with an automatic promotion - without visiting League Two again.
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Post by bogart on Jul 15, 2020 17:09:56 GMT 1
Whilst watching last night's match, I said to my sons that I was bored to death with all the players associated with Town. On reflection, O'Brien must be retained if we can maintain our Championship status. Similarly, I'd try and keep Chalobah and ESR but I have more chance of getting a promise of a jump with Kate Middleton that ESR coming back here. Possibly Toffolo, if we can get our teeth into coaching him how to remain disciplined when defending. Sadly, I'd happily bin the rest. I include past hero's such as Schindler and Hogg. I feel dirty even writing this. PS has anybody got Kate's mobile number? She has just told me you are way down the queue.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2020 17:13:11 GMT 1
Whilst watching last night's match, I said to my sons that I was bored to death with all the players associated with Town. On reflection, O'Brien must be retained if we can maintain our Championship status. Similarly, I'd try and keep Chalobah and ESR but I have more chance of getting a promise of a jump with Kate Middleton that ESR coming back here. Possibly Toffolo, if we can get our teeth into coaching him how to remain disciplined when defending. Sadly, I'd happily bin the rest. I include past hero's such as Schindler and Hogg. I feel dirty even writing this. PS has anybody got Kate's mobile number? She has just told me you are way down the queue. If I'm behind captainslapper I demand a stewards enquiry.
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Post by bogart on Jul 15, 2020 17:16:19 GMT 1
As good a servant as Hogg has been is time to call it a day. Last night was a good example of why. Hard to judge who to keep because all are basically playing crap.
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2020 17:58:50 GMT 1
I'd also like to see Grant and Mounie stay.
Grant is a natural born goalscorer and we know what Mounie can do if we play to his strengths.
Those two up front in a partnership with some decent creativity in the midfield behind them and I think we could do quite well next season.
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Post by Hank Hill on Jul 15, 2020 18:04:33 GMT 1
If Lossl would agree to come back for next season I'd happily take him.
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Post by joburgjon on Jul 15, 2020 18:29:18 GMT 1
I'd be looking to keep O'Brien and Bacuna and I'd Keep Toffolo ifor we are going to play 3 CB's and 2 wing backs. If we are sticking with a flat back 4, then Toffolo is too weak defensively for me.
Other than those and the youngsters such as Jaden Brown, DD, Daly etc, then the rest can go.
It's gonna need a lot of work to get all those players out though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 18:29:35 GMT 1
The issue we have (and I'm not revealing anything new) is that we have a bunch of players who wanted to play in the Premier League.
They didn't want to play for Huddersfield Town and now we are paying massive wages for nothing.
I'd happily start next season (whether we are relegated or not) with less skilled players who want to play for us.
Having said that I expect lots of free transfers / out of contracts coming in and not many fees paid out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 18:50:56 GMT 1
Said it during the game last night, wouldn’t be sad to see a single one of them go.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2020 18:53:21 GMT 1
I'd be looking to keep O'Brien and Bacuna and I'd Keep Toffolo ifor we are going to play 3 CB's and 2 wing backs. If we are sticking with a flat back 4, then Toffolo is too weak defensively for me. Other than those and the youngsters such as Jaden Brown, DD, Daly etc, then the rest can go. It's gonna need a lot of work to get all those players out though I see the reasoning of Toffolo as a wing back. I'm surprised they haven't tried a back three. It could be our way out of a rut. It's probably not fashionable enough for them.
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 15, 2020 18:56:18 GMT 1
Yes and no, I really dont think I would be bothered if anyone at the club went this summer, if we are talking football wise. Anyone who played in the promotion season and first season in the Premier League and were key players for us, I think deserve to be held in high regard at the football club, including Mounie whose goals probably kept us up in the Premier League.
The only worry with a massive clearout, is the players we would be capable of bringing in, I dont think we have the money to bring in anyone decent and we would end up with a team full of Koroma type players and then journeymen free signings, with a couple of youth prem loans.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 15, 2020 19:12:56 GMT 1
there comes a time when you have to let go. some of these players need to move on. time for new blood.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 15, 2020 19:18:44 GMT 1
If we stay up then Bacunas contribution will have been a major part in that. Both his assists and goals have been crucial. There's a long list of players who have contributed sod all and Bacuna isn't one of them. Perhaps we should ditch the cloggers and buy some footballers. I for one wouldn't object to us replacing 90% of this squad with decent league 1 players with the odd loan from the PL thrown in. I don't want to see has beens like Andy King rocking up for a final pay day.
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Post by dm on Jul 15, 2020 19:19:54 GMT 1
As other people - keep O'Brien, Schofield, Daly and Toffolo, Grant too if he starts playing like he want to be here, and possibly Mounie. I would loan ESR and Chalobah again if possible (it won't be, especially in Smith-Rowe's case).
I'm done with the rest. Schindler has been massive for the club but its possibly time to part ways. Same with Hogg - the time has come to move them on and the last 3 years hasn't been great anyway. Lossl, Kachunga, Pritchard, Quaner - I'd quite happily see them gone tomorrow.
Campbell, Coleman, Stearman and Elphick I don't dislike but haven't been amazing signings.
Last season's shite that we signed have got to be gone, Bacuna can either be good or a liability so its difficult to say, Edmonds-Green needs a chance to prove himself.
There is a lot of work to do this summer. I doubt anywhere near enough will get done in terms of ins and outs.
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Post by wigster on Jul 15, 2020 19:48:10 GMT 1
The point surely is that we won't be able to get rid of so many of these players without losing an absolute fortune on our transfer dealings and/or paying these players off with their future wages. You can't just cancel contracts and tell players to leave.
I'm sorry - it won't please anybody but it does me good - this club has been absolutely appallingly run since our first season in the Premier league. I look at the dross at the bottom of this division and we could end up below them all.
Wigan are a shining light. We are a disgrace.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 15, 2020 20:09:01 GMT 1
More to the point can the cowleys capable of building a competitive squad
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Post by davethesprout on Jul 15, 2020 20:17:09 GMT 1
nope would keep none of them Obrian runs about like an headless chicken !& then end product is nothing ! Cowley`s are out of their depth & vastly overrated ! Don`t like or rate anybody else tbh
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 15, 2020 20:25:00 GMT 1
I'd be happy to see them all leave. Managers included. Yes agreed. But you'd love the chairman to stay though.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 15, 2020 20:28:38 GMT 1
I'd also like to see Grant and Mounie stay. Grant is a natural born goalscorer and we know what Mounie can do if we play to his strengths. Those two up front in a partnership with some decent creativity in the midfield behind them and I think we could do quite well next season. I think it's really obvious he wants away to be honest. He's been utter guff for a while now. Wouldn't be surprised if Hodgkinson did a Rhodes esque "keep us up and this summer you can get your move then" sort of thing.
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