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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 17:51:49 GMT 1
Ok I'll give you that, but I still say we were dead and buried when they took over. How can a team that is 4 points adrift and not even bottom of the table after 6 games be "dead and buried"? Because morale was at an all time low and at the time we couldn't buy a point. Are you saying we should have kept Siewert?
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2020 17:52:17 GMT 1
The issue we have (and I'm not revealing anything new) is that we have a bunch of players who wanted to play in the Premier League. They didn't want to play for Huddersfield Town and now we are paying massive wages for nothing. I'd happily start next season (whether we are relegated or not) with less skilled players who want to play for us. Having said that I expect lots of free transfers / out of contracts coming in and not many fees paid out. To be fair no one (except fans) would ever want to play for us
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 17:53:55 GMT 1
How can a team that is 4 points adrift and not even bottom of the table after 6 games be "dead and buried"? Because morale was at an all time low and at the time we couldn't buy a point. Are you saying we should have kept Siewert? Nope. I do think we should have got an experienced Championship manager in short term with the sole aim of keeping us in the division. I didn't want and don't think we should have employed a League Two manager.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:17:23 GMT 1
Because morale was at an all time low and at the time we couldn't buy a point. Are you saying we should have kept Siewert? Nope. I do think we should have got an experienced Championship manager in short term with the sole aim of keeping us in the division. I didn't want and don't think we should have employed a League Two manager. It was League One actually but that's ok, we disagree anyway.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:18:31 GMT 1
Nope. I do think we should have got an experienced Championship manager in short term with the sole aim of keeping us in the division. I didn't want and don't think we should have employed a League Two manager. It was League One actually but that's ok, we disagree anyway. Managing 6 games in League One doesn't make you a League One manager.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:29:00 GMT 1
It was League One actually but that's ok, we disagree anyway. Managing 6 games in League One doesn't make you a League One manager. Winning the League 2 championship makes you a League 1 manager.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:31:30 GMT 1
Managing 6 games in League One doesn't make you a League One manager. Winning the League 2 championship makes you a League 1 manager. Siewert is a Premier League manager then. He managed more games there than Cowley did in League One. Cowley has done fuck all above League Two.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 16, 2020 18:34:06 GMT 1
Because morale was at an all time low and at the time we couldn't buy a point. Are you saying we should have kept Siewert? Nope. I do think we should have got an experienced Championship manager in short term with the sole aim of keeping us in the division. I didn't want and don't think we should have employed a League Two manager. Who would you have brought in?
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:36:28 GMT 1
Nope. I do think we should have got an experienced Championship manager in short term with the sole aim of keeping us in the division. I didn't want and don't think we should have employed a League Two manager. Who would you have brought in? Nigel Adkins was touted, I'd have had him. He'd kept Hull up the season before, knew the division as he'd also kept Scunthorpe up and won it with Southampton. I wouldn't have wanted him beyond the season but to do the job of keeping us up I would have had him. Nigel Pearson would have been another good shout, he'd been out of the game for a bit but think he would have taken the opportunity if offered. Watford were dead and buried before he went there and they are likely to stay up.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:36:58 GMT 1
Winning the League 2 championship makes you a League 1 manager. Siewert is a Premier League manager then. He managed more games there than Cowley did in League One. Cowley has done fuck all above League Two. You're right, we should have pissed this league with the players he had.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:39:31 GMT 1
Siewert is a Premier League manager then. He managed more games there than Cowley did in League One. Cowley has done fuck all above League Two. You're right, we should have pissed this league with the players he had. Where did I say anything of the sort? You're just being stupid now.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:43:07 GMT 1
You're right, we should have pissed this league with the players he had. Where did I say anything of the sort? You're just being stupid now. And now you're being childish.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:45:07 GMT 1
Where did I say anything of the sort? You're just being stupid now. And now you're being childish. Laughably, Cowley has managed more in the Championship than he has in League One and people expect him to be smashing the league next season. Hopefully he's gone by then.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 16, 2020 18:47:31 GMT 1
Siewert is a Premier League manager then. He managed more games there than Cowley did in League One. Cowley has done fuck all above League Two. You're right, we should have pissed this league with the players he had. Well we certainly shouldn't be fighting relegation with them
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:55:05 GMT 1
And now you're being childish. Laughably, Cowley has managed more in the Championship than he has in League One and people expect him to be smashing the league next season. Hopefully he's gone by then. His first remit was to halt the slide and keep us up. If he achieves that we should stick with him.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 18:56:27 GMT 1
Laughably, Cowley has managed more in the Championship than he has in League One and people expect him to be smashing the league next season. Hopefully he's gone by then. His first remit was to halt the slide and keep us up. If he achieves that we should stick with him. Unless his football drastically changes then we should sack him.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 16, 2020 18:57:47 GMT 1
Ok we agree to disagree.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 19:02:57 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2020 19:35:07 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? It was getting that way. We had just smashed Charlton, played well and beat Bristol City, came out of Pride Park singing away, easily beat QPR, had a great spell at Fulham. All in the last full month of football before lockdown. We have been terrible since the restart but, to answer the question above, yes.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 19:39:42 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? It was getting that way. We had just smashed Charlton, played well and beat Bristol City, came out of Pride Park singing away, easily beat QPR, had a great spell at Fulham. All in the last full month of football before lockdown. We have been terrible since the restart but, to answer the question above, yes. We've played like this long before lockdown. Boro away, Barnsley away, Stoke home and away, Cardiff at home, Leeds away, Preston away. It ain't a new thing, his football has always been cack.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 16, 2020 19:41:34 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 19:43:01 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved. Wagner's football was better than this shit. Yes I've seen the stats, I prefer to look at the table however,where we are 20th.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2020 19:44:46 GMT 1
It was getting that way. We had just smashed Charlton, played well and beat Bristol City, came out of Pride Park singing away, easily beat QPR, had a great spell at Fulham. All in the last full month of football before lockdown. We have been terrible since the restart but, to answer the question above, yes. We've played like this long before lockdown. Boro away, Barnsley away, Stoke home and away, Cardiff at home, Leeds away, Preston away. It ain't a new thing, his football has always been cack. You seem to waffle a lot without really saying much. Yes we played shit in some games, bring out the noose.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 16, 2020 19:46:02 GMT 1
The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved. Wagner's football was better than this shit. Yes I've seen the stats, I prefer to look at the table however, where we are 20th. Time to say something positive, anything at all. Some might accuse you of being a WUM - been looking at your recent posts and every one is derogatory towards other posters' opinions or the club.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 19:46:46 GMT 1
We've played like this long before lockdown. Boro away, Barnsley away, Stoke home and away, Cardiff at home, Leeds away, Preston away. It ain't a new thing, his football has always been cack. You seem to waffle a lot without really saying much. Yes we played shit in some games, bring out the noose. No matter what I say, you'll have a go anyway. If you think this football is good then you know fuck all.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 19:47:39 GMT 1
Wagner's football was better than this shit. Yes I've seen the stats, I prefer to look at the table however, where we are 20th. Time to say something positive, anything at all. Some might accuse you of being a WUM - been looking at your recent posts and every one is derogatory towards other posters' opinions or the club. Accuse me of what they want. There is nothing positive about staring relegation in the face.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 16, 2020 19:48:07 GMT 1
You seem to waffle a lot without really saying much. Yes we played shit in some games, bring out the noose. No matter what I say, you'll have a go anyway. If you think this football is good then you know fuck all. Eladdy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 19:49:31 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? It was getting that way. We had just smashed Charlton, played well and beat Bristol City, came out of Pride Park singing away, easily beat QPR, had a great spell at Fulham. All in the last full month of football before lockdown. We have been terrible since the restart but, to answer the question above, yes.
Before this lockdown shite we were starting to click imo, Confidence was on the up and I agree I think we would be safe by now without Covid.
ESR and Toffolo were flying and Bacuna wasn't far behind.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 16, 2020 20:32:36 GMT 1
We’ll promote a lot of players to first team squad I reckon mostly as back ups
Assuming we move all the deadwood and underperforming big earners out I can see
Gk - new (maybe hamer), schofield Rb - new player, duhaney Lb - toffolo, brown Cb - Schindler (or replacement), stearman, elphick, Edmonds-green, cricthlow-noble (21 and just given a new contract)
Wingers, 2 new, grant (or replacement) Rowe, Koroma, obiero Cm - Hogg (or replacement), o’brien (Or replacement), bacuna (or replacement), daly, high
St Campbell, 2 new,, Phillips
Everyone of the above is either over 20 or will be over 20 during season so at the age to be expecting to handle a few games
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 16, 2020 21:39:51 GMT 1
Wagner's football was better than this shit. Yes I've seen the stats, I prefer to look at the table however, where we are 20th. Time to say something positive, anything at all. Some might accuse you of being a WUM - been looking at your recent posts and every one is derogatory towards other posters' opinions or the club. There's something to be positive about atm ? 😲😲😲
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