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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2020 22:17:50 GMT 1
You're right, we should have pissed this league with the players he had. Well we certainly shouldn't be fighting relegation with them Nowhere near The individual players we have should be pushing for the play offs. The team however is boring negative and shite and probably deserve to go down with the performances.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 16, 2020 22:20:37 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved. We did play good stuff under Wagner at first. Some cracking performances Brentford at home, Brighton, Leeds etc
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 16, 2020 22:26:27 GMT 1
The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved. We did play good stuff under Wagner at first. Some cracking performances Brentford at home, Brighton, Leeds etc It’s incredible that folk say we weren’t good under Wagner. We produced some scintillating football along with a superb work ethic. Sure we still didn’t score a lot of goals but we spent basically feck all building that promotion winning team. By some distance the best side in the 43 years I’ve been watching.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 0:20:55 GMT 1
We did play good stuff under Wagner at first. Some cracking performances Brentford at home, Brighton, Leeds etc It’s incredible that folk say we weren’t good under Wagner. We produced some scintillating football along with a superb work ethic. Sure we still didn’t score a lot of goals but we spent basically feck all building that promotion winning team. By some distance the best side in the 43 years I’ve been watching. I'm no fan of his football now but the football he played in the first 1.5 years was the best I've seen in my years watching. Unfortunately the last 1.5 is amongst the worst I've seen, that was until Mr.Cowley arrived.
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Post by ACW on Jul 17, 2020 0:43:33 GMT 1
Do you think his football is good? The football wasn't even "good" under Wagner. However, what Wagner was able to do tighten the unit so that they gave everything, give them supreme confidence, and win without scoring many goals. You couldn't say the football was good, or a delight to watch, or exciting. Saw something this week that from when the Cowley's took over our position would be 13th (Steve Chicken?). Whatever division we are in next year, they will have learned and improved. There were plenty of occasions in Wagner's time when the football was good to watch. I saw some of the best performances I've ever seen from a Town team under him. Brighton at home, Norwich away, etc. Towards the end the quality of football got more defensive and harder to watch, but during his first two and a half seasons I enjoyed watching his teams play. And plenty that sit around me would say the same. It was certainly far better football than the shite that preceeded and succeeded it.
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Post by royalflush on Jul 17, 2020 1:18:43 GMT 1
That home performance versus Brighton in the promotion season was the best Town performance I've seen in 34 years. Absolute poppycock when people say the football under DW was poor. It got worse but early doors it was excellent
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 17, 2020 6:40:46 GMT 1
This best football worst football argument, the bar has always been set very low at Town, let's be honest, so it's a moot point. To be the best, it doesn't have much competition nor does it have to become so bad before it becomes the worst.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 17, 2020 6:43:30 GMT 1
If you had taken Mooy out of our team we'd have been nowhere near promotion that season. He made everything tick and was far too good for this level. He could have turned most sides in to one capable of challenging for the play offs with the exception of Burton.
You only have to see how comfortable he looks every week in the Premier League to know how massively fortunate Wagner was to have a player like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 8:00:06 GMT 1
Mooy is the best I've ever seen in a town shirt, I remember that Brentford game first up vividly, he had 4 of their players around him at one point and still managed to turn and find a pass could tell he was going to be special at that point, agree on the Brighton performance too that or Norwich away were up their with the best. It's really had to judge the Cowley's if any other team in the league had got 1 point after 8 games and stayed up we would be praising them, stay up or go down we need to give them time. I for one vastly over rated some of the complete rubbish we have in our squad so can't blame them for struggling.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 17, 2020 8:56:12 GMT 1
The best Wagner performance was arguably taking Leeds to the cleaners at elland road, 4-1 and we missed a penalty! Leeds couldn’t handle the press and got blown away That was before we’d even heard of Aaron mooy and the rest www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35791175
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 9:15:17 GMT 1
The best Wagner performance was arguably taking Leeds to the cleaners at elland road, 4-1 and we missed a penalty! Leeds couldn’t handle the press and got blown away That was before we’d even heard of Aaron mooy and the rest www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35791175Nope. It was Brighton at our spot in February 2017, we were phenomenal that night, the best performance I've ever seen from a Town side.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 17, 2020 9:19:00 GMT 1
The best Wagner performance was arguably taking Leeds to the cleaners at elland road, 4-1 and we missed a penalty! Leeds couldn’t handle the press and got blown away That was before we’d even heard of Aaron mooy and the rest www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35791175Nope. It was Brighton at our spot in February 2017, we were phenomenal that night, the best performance I've ever seen from a Town side. Both awesome performances where our dominance turned into goals. That was the only issue with DW (concerting strong performance into goals)until he shat himself in the prem.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 9:23:12 GMT 1
Nope. It was Brighton at our spot in February 2017, we were phenomenal that night, the best performance I've ever seen from a Town side. Both awesome performances where our dominance turned into goals. That was the only issue with DW (concerting strong performance into goals)until he shat himself in the prem. We also played very well against Norwich home and away that season from memory. If David Wagner had stuck to his principles and style of play then he would probably still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. However, like you say, he shat himself and is a shadow of his former self these days. Seems to have fallen into the same trap as Lee Clark and when he gets the chop at Schalke, he won't ever get a bigger job. It's a shame because he's the best manager I've witnessed here but his last 1.5 years were awful and he continues to be awful. He's gone 16 games without a win at Schalke and scored about 5 goals in the process, yet some on here want him back!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:31:56 GMT 1
Both awesome performances where our dominance turned into goals. That was the only issue with DW (concerting strong performance into goals)until he shat himself in the prem. We also played very well against Norwich home and away that season from memory. If David Wagner had stuck to his principles and style of play then he would probably still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. However, like you say, he shat himself and is a shadow of his former self these days. Seems to have fallen into the same trap as Lee Clark and when he gets the chop at Schalke, he won't ever get a bigger job. It's a shame because he's the best manager I've witnessed here but his last 1.5 years were awful and he continues to be awful. He's gone 16 games without a win at Schalke and scored about 5 goals in the process, yet some on here want him back! wagner,grieves Warnock and buxton in that order best for me as best managers.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 9:35:20 GMT 1
We also played very well against Norwich home and away that season from memory. If David Wagner had stuck to his principles and style of play then he would probably still be here and we wouldn't be in this mess. However, like you say, he shat himself and is a shadow of his former self these days. Seems to have fallen into the same trap as Lee Clark and when he gets the chop at Schalke, he won't ever get a bigger job. It's a shame because he's the best manager I've witnessed here but his last 1.5 years were awful and he continues to be awful. He's gone 16 games without a win at Schalke and scored about 5 goals in the process, yet some on here want him back! wagner,grieves Warnock and buxton in that order best for me as best managers. Jacko was a favourite of mine, simply for what he did in that promotion season. It was such an important point in our history because if he hadn't have done it that year I'm sure we'd have ever got back up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:35:47 GMT 1
Always be Buxton for me .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:42:44 GMT 1
wagner,grieves Warnock and buxton in that order best for me as best managers. Jacko was a favourite of mine, simply for what he did in that promotion season. It was such an important point in our history because if he hadn't have done it that year I'm sure we'd have ever got back up. agree it was a important time in our history and him and yorath did well but not in the top four forme. but everyone has there views and rightly so
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Post by ldotm on Jul 17, 2020 10:32:25 GMT 1
Mooy is the best I've ever seen in a town shirt, I remember that Brentford game first up vividly, he had 4 of their players around him at one point and still managed to turn and find a pass could tell he was going to be special at that point, agree on the Brighton performance too that or Norwich away were up their with the best. It's really had to judge the Cowley's if any other team in the league had got 1 point after 8 games and stayed up we would be praising them, stay up or go down we need to give them time. I for one vastly over rated some of the complete rubbish we have in our squad so can't blame them for struggling. I walked out that first game thinking something was special. You just knew we were onto something, everything seem aligned.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 17, 2020 11:00:26 GMT 1
Mooy is the best I've ever seen in a town shirt, I remember that Brentford game first up vividly, he had 4 of their players around him at one point and still managed to turn and find a pass could tell he was going to be special at that point, agree on the Brighton performance too that or Norwich away were up their with the best. It's really had to judge the Cowley's if any other team in the league had got 1 point after 8 games and stayed up we would be praising them, stay up or go down we need to give them time. I for one vastly over rated some of the complete rubbish we have in our squad so can't blame them for struggling. Sums up my feelings re Mooy also. In all the years of watching football, the only time I’ve focussed my eyes on watching just one player it’s when Mooy played. I remember the pass you mention, it was unbelievable how the he could accept a pass when under extreme pressure and still retain the ball. The Brighton game is also one of my all time favourite Town games - one where absolutely everything clicked, all 11 players coming good at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 11:05:26 GMT 1
Mooy is the best I've ever seen in a town shirt, I remember that Brentford game first up vividly, he had 4 of their players around him at one point and still managed to turn and find a pass could tell he was going to be special at that point, agree on the Brighton performance too that or Norwich away were up their with the best. It's really had to judge the Cowley's if any other team in the league had got 1 point after 8 games and stayed up we would be praising them, stay up or go down we need to give them time. I for one vastly over rated some of the complete rubbish we have in our squad so can't blame them for struggling. Sums up my feelings re Mooy also. In all the years of watching football, the only time I’ve focussed my eyes on watching just one player it’s when Mooy played. I remember the pass you mention, it was unbelievable how the he could accept a pass when under extreme pressure and still retain the ball. The Brighton game is also one of my all time favourite Town games - one where absolutely everything clicked, all 11 players coming good at the same time.
Couple of older Town lads I know both said Mooy was by far the best midfielder we have had since Jimmy Nich.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 11:07:24 GMT 1
It wasn't just Mooy for me, Christopher Schindler was absolutely class that season and is still the best centre-half I've ever seen at the club. It's sad to see him now as a pale imitation.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 17, 2020 14:11:52 GMT 1
It wasn't just Mooy for me, Christopher Schindler was absolutely class that season and is still the best centre-half I've ever seen at the club. It's sad to see him now as a pale imitation. I read that first sentence and thought you finally had something positive to say about Town and then you reverted to type. 😀 I still believe that Schindler can recover his form, which he still shows in some games. It's not like he has had injuries or lost pace. I think it would return in a team playing better and more positively. I realise that is chicken and egg, by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 14:52:51 GMT 1
If you had taken Mooy out of our team we'd have been nowhere near promotion that season. He made everything tick and was far too good for this level. He could have turned most sides in to one capable of challenging for the play offs with the exception of Burton. You only have to see how comfortable he looks every week in the Premier League to know how massively fortunate Wagner was to have a player like that. To be fair if you remove Mooy or Smith or Kachunga or Schindler or Ward or Hefele or Lowe or Palmer or Brown or Wells or Hogg out of that season we’d probably have not gone up. It was a perfect storm of the right squad falling into place at just the right time.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 18, 2020 6:00:44 GMT 1
His first remit was to halt the slide and keep us up. If he achieves that we should stick with him. Unless his football drastically changes then we should sack him. Are you still sacking him?
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Post by 66738 on Jul 18, 2020 7:18:07 GMT 1
Back on subject, what players are staying and who’s going then?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 18, 2020 7:38:39 GMT 1
Back on subject, what players are staying and who’s going then? Whatever happens, there is going to be a massive change in playing staff. What a shame we can't keep Scott-Rowe, Willock and Trevoh for a while longer.
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Post by 66738 on Jul 18, 2020 7:43:50 GMT 1
Back on subject, what players are staying and who’s going then? Whatever happens, there is going to be a massive change in playing staff. What a shame we can't keep Scott-Rowe, Willock and Trevoh for a while longer. Realistically we may be able to have Trev for another season. Perhaps Willock too, but I can’t see Smith-Rowe(Scott-Rowe) coming back. Sadly.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 18, 2020 7:48:37 GMT 1
I could see us moving for Sean raggett who was a main player at Lincoln, sold to Norwich for good money and just been released
Was a big player for Pompey last year, only 26 and a no nonsense 6 foot 5 centre back
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 18, 2020 8:05:33 GMT 1
I said before season started that if all we achieved this season was staying up I'd be OK with it as a lot were underestimating how tough the second tier has got. The alarm bells were already ringing a bit with Sievert but you have to let people show their worth and by the time it was clear he was in over his head it was like having a points deduction. If we can afford it now is the time to have as big a clear out as we can and put the premier league hangover behind us by off loading as much as we can from that time. I've said elsewhere Id be happy to see Mounie and Campbell away as well as Grant and completely reset the attacking options, we can't go on scrapping out 0-0 draws from lack of a goal threat, there's no future in that. Mbenza and Diakhaby have to go and maybe some fringe players to make room. Some astute loans like ESR will be vital again if we are looking short on finances.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 18, 2020 8:14:21 GMT 1
I could see us moving for Sean raggett who was a main player at Lincoln, sold to Norwich for good money and just been released Was a big player for Pompey last year, only 26 and a no nonsense 6 foot 5 centre back I remember reading plenty of Pompey fans findind it hilarious that we were linked with him in January because they thought he was garbage
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