|
|
Post by hdee on Apr 18, 2021 19:41:02 GMT 1
A double response to this: 1) If it happens never, ever, ever let any of them back into their domestic football associations. They will soon wither and die in such a 'Super League' as only one club can win it at any one time and all those clubs have impatient chairmen who want regular success. The non-winners would soon want to 'come back' to their domestic leagues. 2) Typical that it is the countries with those rich, mainly foreign plutocrats who care nothing for the fans of the said clubs involved. I really wonder how many 'real fans' would like to play matches that are a long way from home or should I say the team they support's home ground every second week. Real Madrid away one fortnight followed by Paris SG in winter does not sound all that tempting at the prices the airlines will charge or the time it will take to get there and back. This won't happen it is a ploy to force even more cash out of the domestic leagues. Ignore it! I dont think any of them will be bothered about wiininganything when they can just make more money |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 19:42:11 GMT 1
Apparently Bayern and PSG are not backing the plans. BBC article made an interesting point about German teams. “Bundesliga sides are opposed to the plans because the German model means commercial investors cannot have more than a 49% stake in clubs, so fans hold a majority of their own voting rights” Now there’s an interesting idea. |
|
|
|
Post by tepidterrier on Apr 18, 2021 19:43:37 GMT 1
my take on this is that the clubs know it has all these practical issues, would alienate fans etc. It's just a way of banding together with a big mutual bargaining chip. It was exactly the same thing happening in Formula 1 a few years ago. Big teams pretend to flounce off in order to gain concessions which tip the balance further in their favour.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 19:55:20 GMT 1
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. Those greedy bastards have damaged football enough already, time to stop the rot and let them have their way. And after three seasons of Man United finishing second bottom - to the consternation of their Surrey-based "fans" - if they try to come crawling back, fuck them again. Apologies for the bad language, but this bare-faced greed makes me sick. I hope they all go bust. You are correct about greed the rest of English football should and I mean fans as well should cold shoulder them if this is true super league my backside |
|
|
|
Post by ilsonterrier on Apr 18, 2021 19:57:17 GMT 1
Don't always agree with everything Gary Neville says but he is absolutely spot on with this. It's reassuring to see him being so passionate about it. So further up this thread you are having a go at Neville, now you agree? Blimey are you on the committee for this breakaway by any chance😜 That was a brilliant piece from Neville on the subject, knows both the management side of football, but is a fan that really cares about our game. I knew someone would come back to me on this. The point I was trying to make (obviously unsuccessfully) is that they were decrying something because it was based on greed, whilst commentating on a Premier League game - a league that was brought about purely due to greed. It was a great piece by Neville and he's right, but he's made a great living out of the game because there has been so much money in it (although he was honest enough in that piece to admit it). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 20:01:25 GMT 1
For anyone who hasn’t heard Gary Neville here he is. Brilliant stuff. Agree and the genuine fans of these clubs should let there clubs know what they feel I don't mean the bandwagon supporters they are pathetic |
|
|
|
Post by htfcsince70 on Apr 18, 2021 20:08:40 GMT 1
I know that this has been posted before - but let them go and then don't let them back when the interest dries up. I don't watch the Champions League - I have never understood how a team finishing fourth can be classed as a champion and the Europa League is so long winded that it is even more boring than the Champions League! I remember wanting all British clubs to do well in the European Cup and UEFA cup, I almost became a fan of that particular club during the tournament (apart from Leeds that is). It was an exciting cup competition in my opinion played by the champions. The European Super League will be another boring event won by the team with most money.
|
|
|
|
Post by specialun on Apr 18, 2021 20:14:16 GMT 1
Are Arsenal going for comedy value? Strong responses so far. FA should say any player playing can’t play for the national team Greedy sods No they shouldn't. Why the chuff should (random pick) Phil Foden be denied the opportunity to play for England? What has he done wrong? Sorry I should have explained - I agree with you they haven’t and they shouldn’t My point is the teams are nothing without the players - and the players would not want to be blocked from playing in World Cups etc. If all FAs took that stance as part of wider stance with fines / points deductions it would unravel. Granted it would take all FAs to take that stance rather than just the English FA or the top 6 would just become 100% non English rather than 50-90%! |
|
aca00js
Frank Worthington Terrier
[M0:0]
Posts: 1,984
|
Post by aca00js on Apr 18, 2021 20:20:50 GMT 1
You have to look at who are pushing it, Americans and look how the NFL works. Fans mean nothing plus they are going to have a salary cap to stop players wages just taking all the money out the clubs.
This is all for oversea markets such as China, America and the rich middle east.
It's easy to say let them piss off but there will be huge repacusions to a lot of other clubs, including us. The current TV deal will be cancelled as they will have clauses built in.
This means no more parachute payments for us and how are clubs going to cope without the money from premier League to pay those contracts? You are forced to offer those deals to compete in the league
|
|
|
|
Post by shawsie on Apr 18, 2021 20:20:51 GMT 1
They managed to enlarge the non champions league for years simply to make money..... for gods sake give them nothing this time. No reduced league/ exemptions from cups etc - they should be told you are getting nothing more now so if u wannna go bye bye close the door on your way out and there is NO return. Once fans realise they will only be going 1 week in 2 or 3 cos away games will be too costly they will stop going.
Also, imagine being a spurs fan and finishing in mid table mediocrity every year and winning nowt! Oh hang on....nothing will change for them.
|
|
|
|
Post by tvor on Apr 18, 2021 20:25:39 GMT 1
The really bad news about this is that there’s 9 promotion places up for grabs. Why wasn’t the aspiration to be a top 29 club FFS.
|
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Apr 18, 2021 20:27:56 GMT 1
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
|
|
|
|
Post by lesgirondins on Apr 18, 2021 20:28:50 GMT 1
To put this in context, a quote from Jonathan Liew in The Guardian.“Barcelona are £1M in debt and facing one of the biggest financial crises in their history. Real Madrid were unable to afford a single big signing last summer. Juventus have to find around £100m by the end of June. Internazionale’s owners sought emergency funding in February.” Great names, but they’ve run out of road.
|
|
|
|
Post by tvor on Apr 18, 2021 20:29:31 GMT 1
In all seriousness, can anyone explain why Sheffield Wednesday aren't involved? Fear of ‘the cauldron’. Not the atmosphere - paying 38 quid for a restricted view. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 20:32:49 GMT 1
Presumably they would leave the English league. May make it more competitive, to be honest. When they come crawling back, they have to start in non-league, though. Not under these plans. It's essentially going to be a Champions League alternative, midweek fixtures and they still play domestically No they don't, that statement confirms it. UEFA would ban any team that competes in this breakaway competition from competing in either domestic or established European competition. Hope this happens, it will be the best thing that has EVER happened to football (although it would likely result in Germany and France dominating European competition for a few years, but thats no big deal). I'd fingers crossed that it would involve a rationalisation of the English League system whilst we're at it - lose 6 clubs and its time to seriously look at making the top two divisions 20 teams, and regionalising below, with a North and South division that have end of season play offs for promotion to the Championship. |
|
|
|
Post by insooth on Apr 18, 2021 20:40:01 GMT 1
I would suggest that Beckham would be for this. even though he is based in the USA.
|
|
|
|
Post by kennyk2 on Apr 18, 2021 20:48:51 GMT 1
Surely Leeds have been asked. They must have turned it down.
|
|
|
|
Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 18, 2021 20:49:18 GMT 1
Shithousery of the first degree
From what has been written
Ban players from national teams
Tell sky they won't get any premier League footy and sell all to say. Amazon?
They are mainly owned by foreigners with big wallets eh o dont care so screw then too
tax the arse off them
or licence fees what ever hurts them
Match day police costs
Tax players as employees 😁
|
|
|
|
Post by aloadofdbullocks on Apr 18, 2021 20:53:17 GMT 1
Football is undoubtedly the greatest game in the world.
Unfortunately those in charge are killing it.
VAR, the ridiculous overspending of cubs and now this.
The moment I realised the magic had died was when we “voluntarily” had to fork out £250,000? for a golden handshake for some Premier League exec just because we were in it at the time - the same amount as massively rich clubs who have been in the Premier League decades.
We really should have told them to shove it up their arses.
How useful would that £250,000 be now?
|
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Apr 18, 2021 21:21:38 GMT 1
I would suggest that Beckham would be for this. even though he is based in the USA. What are your thoughts on whether Paul Chuckle, Mr Tumble and the Archbishop of Canterbury's are for or against it ? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 21:27:16 GMT 1
If they've signed anything, they should be kicked out of the league tomorrow. Results expunged, prize money withheld.
Let them fuck off and play what are essentially friendlies for the Asian TV market.
|
|
|
|
Post by benji123 on Apr 18, 2021 21:28:49 GMT 1
Are Arsenal going for comedy value? Strong responses so far. FA should say any player playing can’t play for the national team Greedy sods No they shouldn't. Why the chuff should (random pick) Phil Foden be denied the opportunity to play for England? What has he done wrong? He can always ask for a transfer and refuse to play until they grant him one. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Apr 18, 2021 21:34:08 GMT 1
The fan's of these clubs should make their feeling's known to these owner's because i think a lot of the fan's wont be happy.
|
|
|
|
Post by ACW on Apr 18, 2021 21:36:31 GMT 1
I would suggest that Beckham would be for this. even though he is based in the USA. What are your thoughts on whether Paul Chuckle, Mr Tumble and the Archbishop of Canterbury's are for or against it ? My Tumble will be all for it. I've always suspected he wanted to see the top European clubs break away to from their own leagues at the expense of the greater good of the game.  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 22:01:19 GMT 1
The fan's of these clubs should make their feeling's known to these owner's because i think a lot of the fan's wont be happy. Football doesn't *need* fans when someone else is prepared to pay...as has been demonstrated over the last 12 months. Fake crowd noise being piped over an FA Cup game that had actual real people in attendance this evening tells you what you need to know about how they want to make it all palatable to someone paying a subscription fee for a TV service 🤷♂️ |
|
|
|
Post by yappledapple on Apr 18, 2021 22:10:36 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 18, 2021 22:12:38 GMT 1
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. Those greedy bastards have damaged football enough already, time to stop the rot and let them have their way. And after three seasons of Man United finishing second bottom - to the consternation of their Surrey-based "fans" - if they try to come crawling back, fuck them again. Apologies for the bad language, but this bare-faced greed makes me sick. I hope they all go bust. The greed of UEFA and FIFA is just as big. I agree with you by the way. TV money is power. I should like to see a capping of spending. I should like to see a salary cap....and i never thought i would say that but its for the good of football. I would like to see national leagues unite a send UEFA to hell. I would like to see the big clubs filter the money down the pyramid instead of giving shite players 200k a week. |
|
|
|
Post by andyeastleake on Apr 18, 2021 22:15:16 GMT 1
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. Those greedy bastards have damaged football enough already, time to stop the rot and let them have their way. And after three seasons of Man United finishing second bottom - to the consternation of their Surrey-based "fans" - if they try to come crawling back, fuck them again. Apologies for the bad language, but this bare-faced greed makes me sick. I hope they all go bust. It really is time to call the "Big 6"'s bluff on this. Let them have their "Super League" but NOTHING domestically. I think the 6 need the 86 more than the 86 need the 6. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 22:34:55 GMT 1
Fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. Those greedy bastards have damaged football enough already, time to stop the rot and let them have their way. And after three seasons of Man United finishing second bottom - to the consternation of their Surrey-based "fans" - if they try to come crawling back, fuck them again. Apologies for the bad language, but this bare-faced greed makes me sick. I hope they all go bust. It really is time to call the "Big 6"'s bluff on this. Let them have their "Super League" but NOTHING domestically. I think the 6 need the 86 more than the 86 need the 6. This is the crux of it, for me. People try to make out that the strength of the English football pyramid is its big clubs - I say bollocks. It's the pyramid itself. Imagine for a minute if they got rid of relegation from the Prem - *cough* Gartside - at least half the games in the so-called "Best league in the World" would be meaningless damp squibs. Football's about jeopardy, not petro-state funded Super clubs swatting "little" clubs aside every week in the name of entertainment. |
|
|
|
Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 18, 2021 22:36:08 GMT 1
Football eats itself...
TV rights would shrink, not sure that a European super league would give them the mix of games they get in the PL. Not to mention they would be competing against other TV companies for any rights.
Maybe these clubs ought to think about the timing as well. Declaring the news to up and off right at the end of a season of closed doors football proves that they genuinely give a little less than 2 shits about their supporters.
Football in the 21st C. Football as a plc...
|
|
