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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 19, 2021 11:31:53 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 11:32:06 GMT 1
Give it 5 years & the fixtures will be something like Galacticos Madrid v Manchester Red Devils. They can fuck off for me. We might actually be able to get our football back. Give it 5 years and you'll see clubs moved from one country to the next because some billionaire thinks relocating Inter Milan to Mumbai makes sound sense. Sounds preposterous, but American franchise teams have literally moved 3000 miles before.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 19, 2021 11:35:25 GMT 1
Sky have been really pushing the message. They are shitting it! If the rights to the Super League are snapped up by Amazon, their business model is in serious trouble. They are desperate for the Premier League to remain an elite competition. But they want you to watch the rant on their website, not on Google's! Brilliant! Well said, GN.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 19, 2021 11:36:33 GMT 1
Thing is... they're all tainted now, no matter what happens from here on in, the fans will - hopefully - not forgive this move.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 19, 2021 11:37:44 GMT 1
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Apr 19, 2021 11:38:10 GMT 1
The principle is fine. But I think it's fair to say that it works out just a bit too fine for Bayern Munich, such that they have the league title on a subscription basis. Controversial, I know, but there are clubs that get around the 50+1 rule (For example, Leipzig have only 17 members who are closely linked to Red Bull), I didn't like it at first, but you talk to some people in Leipzig and they'll say, "so what, if it stops Bayern winning the title for a 9th time, bring it on!). Dortmund (the only listed club in Germany as far as I know, are still owned 20% by various big corporations), then there's Wolfsburg, Leverkusen also supported by industry, plus the beady-eyed billionaire who runs SAP and thus Hoffenheim. Even Schalke have Gazprom powdering their arses. Yes, I know, it's a nice idea "fan ownership", but in this world of venture capitalism and greed, and financial vampires. It just seems a natural course unfortunately. Also, to Leipzig's credit, they put enormous amounts of money into developing their youth system, and at the end of the day, their record signing is probably as much as Town's (around 20 million). Inflationary as compared to a few decades ago, but nothing like the sums the "Big 6", Bayern and the Spanish giants can and do offer for players. It's sad, I know. But what are you gonna do? The 2019 Labour manifesto had an idea... · Legislate to give supporters trusts the power to appoint and remove at least two members of a club’s board of directors; · Legislate to enable supporters trusts to purchase shares when clubs change hands; · Review all aspects of football governance, including fan participation; · Ensure that the Premier League invests 5 per cent of income from television rights into grassroots football; · Enforce anti-bot legislation to crackdown on ticket-tout websites selling tickets at vastly inflated prices, and implement the recommendations of the Waterson Review; · Ban zero-hours contracts and guarantee a Living Wage of at least £10 per hour for all staff, including those working at football stadia on match days; · Add women’s sporting events including the Women’s Football World up, to the list of key sporting events to be broadcast free-to-air; · Improve access provision for disabled sports fans by ensuring that rapid improvements are made and by prioritising action to make clubs comply with obligations under the 2010 Equality Act. All good proposals, but feasible? Were the points raised by the media in England? I had no idea this is what they were looking at. Would Johnson's Brexit charge have broken the Red Wall in northern England if these points had been known. We'll probably never know :-) Bit ironic though that the elite in Britain are joining up with Europe's best. Hmmm, complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 11:42:10 GMT 1
The 2019 Labour manifesto had an idea... · Legislate to give supporters trusts the power to appoint and remove at least two members of a club’s board of directors; · Legislate to enable supporters trusts to purchase shares when clubs change hands; · Review all aspects of football governance, including fan participation; · Ensure that the Premier League invests 5 per cent of income from television rights into grassroots football; · Enforce anti-bot legislation to crackdown on ticket-tout websites selling tickets at vastly inflated prices, and implement the recommendations of the Waterson Review; · Ban zero-hours contracts and guarantee a Living Wage of at least £10 per hour for all staff, including those working at football stadia on match days; · Add women’s sporting events including the Women’s Football World up, to the list of key sporting events to be broadcast free-to-air; · Improve access provision for disabled sports fans by ensuring that rapid improvements are made and by prioritising action to make clubs comply with obligations under the 2010 Equality Act. All good proposals, but feasible? Were the points raised by the media in England? I had no idea this is what they were looking at. Would Johnson's Brexit charge have broken the Red Wall in northern England if these points had been known. We'll probably never know :-) Bit ironic though that the elite in Britain are joining up with Europe's best. Hmmm, complicated. Going by Twitter this morning, there's something about football that turns the most ardent of neoliberals into raging socialists!
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 19, 2021 11:44:07 GMT 1
I’m yet to see one fan in favour of this, the clubs have read this massively wrong, I hope we see protests around Old Trafford, Anfield and so on
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Post by Mecha Corte on Apr 19, 2021 11:46:37 GMT 1
Spurs ... the one time they got anywhere near their newly found pumped up status they sacked their boss a few months later and replaced him with Jose Dinosaurho on 12 million a year. They'll be happy joining a league where you don't have to win any matches. Bunch of fucking arseholes Does make you wonder how Spurs are top 6? Less league titles than Town and no European Cup wins where Villa and Forest have 3.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 19, 2021 11:48:52 GMT 1
Spurs ... the one time they got anywhere near their newly found pumped up status they sacked their boss a few months later and replaced him with Jose Dinosaurho on 12 million a year. They'll be happy joining a league where you don't have to win any matches. Bunch of fucking arseholes Does make you wonder how Spurs are top 6?Less league titles than Town and no European Cup wins where Villa and Forest have 3. It's very, very simple. One word... Money.
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Post by 4 pts on Apr 19, 2021 12:02:51 GMT 1
If players are banned from playing in World Cups and Euros, what this will really show is what footballers cherish the most. Money or the game ? Player power will determine whether this happens or not
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 19, 2021 12:07:32 GMT 1
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Post by dugnet on Apr 19, 2021 12:14:50 GMT 1
Having seen the proposal the initial move is to undermine UEFA and it's competitions. However this is the then end of a very significant wedge. If this goes through, and I fear that it might, it will make those clubs even more powerful. The media rights for domestic football will be challenged and both the Premier League and their broadcasting partners are likely to cave in. Once that happens the impact on the overall pyramid will be substantial.
Unfortunately this isn't about the number of fans who buy season tickets for these clubs it is about the worldwide demand. Sure the vast majority of the 75 000 who turn up at Old Trafford every home game maybe against this but their voice is less significant than the potential for worldwide streaming. The history that made these clubs so powerful counts for nothing as long as consumers across the globe want to watch Man U play football.
I remember attending the Liverpool game and being taken aback at the "tourist football" culture. People from all over the globe travelling to see Liverpool play at Anfield. The fact it was only Town didn't matter. They had come to see the great Liverpool. The traders where selling Liverpool/Town half and half scarfs for these "once in a lifetime" fans.
These people have no comprehension of the history of English football. They are cleared absorbed but if you showed them the re-runs of the Big Match they would be horrified at 20 000 people stood in a crush on a set of concrete steps.
And here is the problem, it is that sense of history, community, genuine passion and belonging that has evaporated. It has been replaced with hype, global media promotion and a culture where winning means less because it was bought.
For all my wistful ranting the world is changing. There seems to be an inevitability that things will change. When all the emotion dies down the Premier League and Sky will look to safeguard their product. The "big 6" will hold the aces and will be in charge. Although it is fundamentally wrong it is what will happen. The pressure will be to reduce the Premier League in size and to make progress for all clubs less and less.
The EFL need to have a plan for the product they want to promote. The global market is a fraction for EFL games so "real" supporters should become more important. They need to offer a compelling product that ensures progress on achievement but reflects the footballing culture of England. There are still 86 football league clubs in this country that count for something. They need to consider a future where they are to bullied and beholden to 6 global brands. That however is easier said than done.
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Post by 66738 on Apr 19, 2021 12:15:46 GMT 1
I wonder whether Jose argued the despicable Levy about the Super League because he almost certainly won't have been consulted. What I would really like is for the players in those big clubs to.speak out. Unfortunately, they're probably all capitalist bastards, too. I can’t see Jose having such a morale compass.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 19, 2021 12:17:58 GMT 1
I wonder whether Jose argued the despicable Levy about the Super League because he almost certainly won't have been consulted. What I would really like is for the players in those big clubs to.speak out. Unfortunately, they're probably all capitalist bastards, too. I can’t see Jose having such a morale compass. i don't know. His mentor was Sir Bobby Robson who certainly did.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 19, 2021 12:26:59 GMT 1
I think Mourinho has more of a moral compass than some people give him credit for.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 19, 2021 12:30:10 GMT 1
I think Mourinho has more of a moral compass than some people give him credit for. I agree. He’s always come across as someone who respects the history and traditions of the game. Like when he walked from his dugout to applaud the Town fans after our Cup defeat at Stamford Bridge.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 19, 2021 12:31:32 GMT 1
Mine too but I don’t think Man Utd will be signing Sir Geoffrey. I don't think Sir Geoff played in the Packer series, but I could be wrong. I’m happy to be corrected but I thought he had done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 12:34:00 GMT 1
I’m yet to see one fan in favour of this, the clubs have read this massively wrong, I hope we see protests around Old Trafford, Anfield and so on You need to ask the 'fans' in the far east though, cos the feelings of those in Manchester, Liverpool etc. aren't even being considered as they don't have much effect on the potential income from this scam.
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Post by Marshleeds on Apr 19, 2021 12:37:46 GMT 1
Thing is... they're all tainted now, no matter what happens from here on in, the fans will - hopefully - not forgive this move. And to cap it all we have suddenly become the 7th most hated team in English Football. Bugger. 🤬
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 19, 2021 12:45:51 GMT 1
The auction for 2022 to 2025 is about to take place. BT drove the price up trying to challenge Sky but seems to have settled for being 'viable second place' - as such, Sky could very easily get hold of the major parts of EPL coverage at a comparative knock down price this time round, they'd be happy with that. It'll be the CLUBS whose business models will be in serious trouble. I just meant if there is a breakaway, how many people will be paying Sky £45 a month to watch the top-of-the-table clash between Wolves and Burnley when they could be watching Man Utd v. Real Madrid as part of their Amazon Prime package? I don’t pay bt now, no way in a million miles will I pay one penny towards whoever broadcasts this new plastic league yet I will continue to pay sky for the epl without the shit 6.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 19, 2021 12:46:23 GMT 1
Looks like they are going through with it Iwoudnt too early to think that just hope the fans of these clubs refuse to back them because in my view they have no respect for the tradition of our game it's just greed I don't think they care whether the traditional fans back them or not Positive, it's all about the money they'll get from Asia.
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Post by Marshleeds on Apr 19, 2021 12:47:02 GMT 1
Sky have been really pushing the message. They are shitting it! If the rights to the Super League are snapped up by Amazon, their business model is in serious trouble. They are desperate for the Premier League to remain an elite competition. But they want you to watch the rant on their website, not on Google's! Brilliant! Well said, GN. This whole shit show is a disgrace to football as we know it, bigger than rivalries. Just watching SSN seen it described as not just a Football Civil War but a Football Nuclear War. Disgusting ! Rumours of a Fans Protest by Leeds Fans (ok with the Club as long as social distancing is maintained) at tonight’s Sky game v Sell out FC. Not sure what form that will take. How on earth are Klopp and LFC Players going to bat off inevitable questions?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 19, 2021 12:48:08 GMT 1
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Post by Marshleeds on Apr 19, 2021 12:51:51 GMT 1
Have had many a nostalgic reminisce with Overton about 70’s Football nostalgia shown on ITV recently. This is pissing on all of those great days we all remember no matter what our allegiances happen to be. Also feel sorry for the genuine supporters of the sick six.
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Post by mids on Apr 19, 2021 12:51:59 GMT 1
Thing is... they're all tainted now, no matter what happens from here on in, the fans will - hopefully - not forgive this move. And to cap it all we have suddenly become the 7th most hated team in English Football. Bugger. 🤬 Hahaha you wish Your lot are still the scum of the footballing world. Always have been, and always will be for ever more.
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Post by Marshleeds on Apr 19, 2021 12:54:18 GMT 1
And to cap it all we have suddenly become the 7th most hated team in English Football. Bugger. 🤬 Hahaha you wish Your lot are still the scum of the footballing world. Always have been, and always will be for ever more. And long May that remain. 😉
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Post by artysid on Apr 19, 2021 12:55:09 GMT 1
I’m yet to see one fan in favour of this, the clubs have read this massively wrong, I hope we see protests around Old Trafford, Anfield and so on I'm not sure you've been reading all the posts on here, I'm 100% behind it, and others appear to support it in varying degrees too. Can't see what's not to like about it. As I said earlier win win. Good for those billions across the world who want to watch these teams on telly. Good for those who want a more competitive, exciting (and hopefully more financially realistic) domestic programme.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 19, 2021 12:55:48 GMT 1
I think Mourinho has more of a moral compass than some people give him credit for. I agree. He’s always come across as someone who respects the history and traditions of the game. Like when he walked from his dugout to applaud the Town fans after our Cup defeat at Stamford Bridge. In the paper, the morning of that game, he said he couldn't believe we were taking 6,000 as when he was at Porto a 3rd division team wouldn't have drawn 6,000 in total to the game. He also suggested PL teams should be made to play away whenever they drew a lower league side and should have to play the first choice XI.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 19, 2021 12:56:26 GMT 1
I don't think Sir Geoff played in the Packer series, but I could be wrong. I’m happy to be corrected but I thought he had done. He went on the illegal SA tour instead
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