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Post by mids on Jul 16, 2021 19:45:42 GMT 1
Crack on. I wouldn't take offence. I was far more offended by brighousebandbred laughing at my mum being on her death bed - literally LOL-ing...but that was ok apparently You might not take offence personally, but you don't speak for everyone and if I did any of those things I know full well I would definitely be waking up to the message "You have been banned from this forum" on my screen. I know this because when I signed up for this forum I agreed, the same as everyone else, to stay within certain boundaries when posting. I have once or twice strayed from that agreement and was fairly punished, just like Otium has been. I've no idea about the second half of your post. Not anything to do with me 🤷🏻‍♂️ Otium hasn't done any of those things either...he had an opinion...which I disagree with as it happens. The second half is irrelevant to you I agree. It had a lot to do with me though. That was offensive directly to a forum member (me) and he refused to apologise despite my protestations. I didn't report him though. He got no yellow card. C'est la vie |
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Post by Champers on Jul 16, 2021 19:51:06 GMT 1
The worst bit about the post that got Oti banned isn't that he labelled homosexuals as "deviant". I mean, that isn't great in itself, but to call it a "poor lifestyle choice"...deary fucking me. When was being gay ever something anyone did out of choice? There will definitely be gay people on this forum, 100% Some may not have even found the courage to open up about it yet. Why would they want to when they see people are still able to spout that shit, as well as also having a hoard of angry gammons championing their cause to do so?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 19:58:21 GMT 1
Long post alert.
First off, Oti and I have had some “robust” conversations recently on the politics sub-board. Recently he’s used some pretty caustic put-downs towards me, and I can’t claim to be entirely innocent, either. But poster-to-poster name-calling isn’t what this is about. I’ve got an extremely thick hide - say whatever the hell you like to me, it would take something really cretinous directed at me personally for me to cry “personal abuse” and report a poster. I’m a big boy, I can take it, and I’ve never reported any instance of personal abuse. Apologies for taking a moment trying to make this about me, but I’ve got good reason for it - there are some people “policing” this board, and I don’t mean the admins.
But that’s the thing here; assuming that this decision is down to one poster abusing another poster is just plain wrong. To go looking for “that one post” is short-sighted.
It’s not difficult to work out what post was the straw that broke the camel’s back and led to the ban; I read it this morning, had a short intake of breath and went on with my day. But I think we all know it’s not just one post - things don’t work like that. Read the rules - whether you agree with them or not, the fact is you don’t generally just get banned for one post.
If you read that post and “didn’t see anything wrong with it”, perhaps you should think about it some more. But also, importantly, realise that this hasn’t happened because of that one post.
One of the admins - apologies, but I forget who, and on which thread - said recently that Oti was being treated more sympathetically because of his illness, and I too was prepared to give him some slack.
Look, it goes without saying that I’m sympathetic about his physical illness. That said, recently his posts became increasingly bitter, angry and resentful - and it’s been sad to see. It saddens me that someone could get to the end of their days - if that’s the case, I’m sure we all hope it’s not - being so perpetually angry, bitter and resentful. I’m genuinely concerned for his mental well-being.
But none of that absolves someone from the consequences of what they say.
I’m amazed at how many people on here can’t work out the difference between the idea of free-speech, and the simple fact that what you say has implications and consequences.
Free speech gives us all the right to say what we want, but if you start discriminating against people based on skin colour, gender, sexuality and so on - then you can expect to be face the consequences; whether that’s by some knobhead on a message board, or by laws that criminalise it. Free speech doesn’t mean the right to discriminate without consequences.
Those of you have children; let me ask you this. If one of them came to you and told you they were homosexual, and then some bloke on a message board said that your child was “a deviant”, or “had a perversion”, would you still be banging the free-speech drum? If you have similar attitudes - perhaps your children are fearful of telling you? Just a thought. I had a friend at University who was terrified of telling his parents. He told them, they disowned him, he killed himself. I think about him a lot.
Words have consequences.
He’ll be missed in one sense - his posts were bollocks, but entertaining bollocks - but I won’t miss the hate. But all that said, I still wish him well.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 16, 2021 20:00:26 GMT 1
Ron just called me to see if I could find out "why", I had no idea until the call. Ron divides opinion like no other on here, I think that's a given. He's maybe guilty of speaking his mind a little too often but most can relate to him although not always agreeing with his opinions. This forum is all about opinions. . Ron's a top class bloke. Please let's have him back |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:01:52 GMT 1
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2021 20:01:52 GMT 1
Ron just called me to see if I could find out "why", I had no idea until the call. Ron divides opinion like no other on here, I think that's a given. He's maybe guilty of speaking his mind a little too often but most can relate to him although not always agreeing with his opinions. This forum is all about opinions. . Ron's a top class bloke. Please let's have him back 100% |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:02:45 GMT 1
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 16, 2021 20:02:45 GMT 1
Admin starts a thread asking how we stop racism in football and general - Education is deemed the answer. Couple of days later they're banning 'racists' from the forum. Priceless. The same admin who's repeatedly called the soon to be banned poster a 'c***'. Bring back 4 admins. Grimois definitely has it in for Oti |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 16, 2021 20:04:24 GMT 1
Time for some new admins me thinks
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2021 20:04:39 GMT 1
Pretty obvious that the honey monsters personal grievances with Otium have driven this decision.
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 16, 2021 20:05:35 GMT 1
I guarantee he’s the main reason over 50% log onto the site. The best thing is, his stories are ALL true, despite how fantastical they sound! Anyway, take care Oti and good health, good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 20:06:27 GMT 1
The same admin who's repeatedly called the soon to be banned poster a 'c***'. Bring back 4 admins. Grimois definitely has it in for Oti Given it's pretty obvious what the post in question was, it's also pretty obvious which admin abstained. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 16, 2021 20:09:31 GMT 1
The same admin who's repeatedly called the soon to be banned poster a 'c***'. Bring back 4 admins. Grimois definitely has it in for Oti 2 admins ruled on this and agreed. I was not one of them. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 16, 2021 20:10:20 GMT 1
Pretty obvious that the honey monsters personal grievances with Otium have driven this decision. 2 admins ruled this. I'm not one of them. |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:10:40 GMT 1
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2021 20:10:40 GMT 1
Bring back 4 admins. Grimois definitely has it in for Oti 2 admins ruled on this and agreed. I was not one of them. You're all wrong. |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:12:30 GMT 1
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Post by Wingman on Jul 16, 2021 20:12:30 GMT 1
Let’s look at this another way, using a footballing analogy.
Otium made a bad tackle and gave the referee the opportunity to make a decision, yellow or red.
The person reporting the post was the crowd baying for blood.
Full sympathy to the admins on this as it’s a no-win scenario. Didn’t mind Otium’s tales but some opinions were outdated and out of kilter with what can be, and likely is, viewed by children and folk as one poster has alluded to, battling their own sexual demons in terms of handling coming out etc.
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Jul 16, 2021 20:13:01 GMT 1
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Post by htfctx on Jul 16, 2021 20:13:01 GMT 1
May be a good time for Oti to reflect on his life and not bow out as a Homophobe and a racist. Homophobic, so Oti's also a racist? From this slander on page 2 onwards, Oti is now banned as racist. The world will turn. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Jul 16, 2021 20:13:28 GMT 1
I guarantee he’s the main reason over 50% log onto the site. The best thing is, his stories are ALL true, despite how fantastical they sound! Anyway, take care Oti and good health, good luck. I do. Having done 30 odd years as a teacher my life was far duller and based solely in Warwickshire. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 16, 2021 20:13:35 GMT 1
I guarantee he’s the main reason over 50% log onto the site. The best thing is, his stories are ALL true, despite how fantastical they sound! Anyway, take care Oti and good health, good luck. They are pal. I guarantee anyone who knows him will say the same. Some people despise success/personality/intellect. Shame |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2021 20:16:49 GMT 1
Let’s look at this another way, using a footballing analogy. Otium made a bad tackle and gave the referee the opportunity to make a decision, yellow or red. The person reporting the post was the crowd baying for blood. Full sympathy to the admins on this as it’s a no-win scenario. Didn’t mind Otium’s tales but some opinions were outdated and out of kilter with what can be, and likely is, viewed by children and folk as one poster has alluded to, battling their own sexual demons in terms of handling coming out etc. The only children on here are the ones reporting posters and administering bans to a well liked posters mate. I wouldn't give a shiny shite if I never saw a Big Daddy G opinion again, and I couldn't even name the other admins if I'm being honest Give me Otium falling off his brand new bike any day of the week. |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:24:33 GMT 1
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Post by Wingman on Jul 16, 2021 20:24:33 GMT 1
Let’s look at this another way, using a footballing analogy. Otium made a bad tackle and gave the referee the opportunity to make a decision, yellow or red. The person reporting the post was the crowd baying for blood. Full sympathy to the admins on this as it’s a no-win scenario. Didn’t mind Otium’s tales but some opinions were outdated and out of kilter with what can be, and likely is, viewed by children and folk as one poster has alluded to, battling their own sexual demons in terms of handling coming out etc. The only children on here are the ones reporting posters and administering bans to a well liked posters mate. I wouldn't give a shiny shite if I never saw a Big Daddy G opinion again, and I couldn't even name the other admins if I'm being honest Give me Otium falling off his brand new bike any day of the week. Just giving a balanced view El Mel. I think this topic will run on for a while. |
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Post by yoy on Jul 16, 2021 20:24:37 GMT 1
I think impact has quoted his comment in his post further up the page Cheers. If that's what he's got banned for some people should be looking in the mirror and seeing a gormless c*** staring back at them. Why? Because we aren’t bothered about being inclusive? That post adds nothing to the quality of any debate. It does however risk offending people. So… no upside and plenty of downside. Hard to see what point you’re trying to make. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2021 20:29:41 GMT 1
A good decision to ban someone so explicitly racist and homophobic. Of course, we all wish him well in terms of his psychological and physical health. All in all his views are so backwards and destructive that they turn a safe space such as a forum into an unsafe and threatening place. The ban is justified. Well done admins. He wasn't racist. He was extremely critical of one particular religion.. that isn't being racist! Have you ever read his posts about followers of other religions from that part of the world? Clearly not, or maybe you'd understand the distinction. In terms of homophobia, very old fashioned but even today his thoughts echo most religions'. Largely horseshit in my view, but views held by most of the world population nonetheless. Who are the admins on here to say he isn't allowed to have those views? And what difference does it make if he does? If its so unacceptable then shut down the churches and the mosques and make it truly unacceptable! This is a disgraceful level of censorship , prompted by one admin's personal hatred for a poster after years of mud-slinging at each other. I respect the admins for the job they do, but they should be embarrassed about doing this IMO. DATM is certainly a poorer place without Otium. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 16, 2021 20:30:23 GMT 1
Some of those ranting on about freedom of speech really do need a reality check.
Not only do we live in a Country that restricts what we can say, but any Club or Forum can set it’s own rules as to what is acceptable within the framework of the law. For example I suspect the EDL forum is more tolerant of homophobic language than say the gay rights movements forum.
I suspect there are few forums that review their rules and vote on proposed amendments as often as we do. The rules we have are the DEMOCRATICALLY voted on rules, that we trust our admins to enforce fairly.
I’m not sure if those criticising the Admins are doing so because they have a detailed understanding of what’s happened, and believe Oti didn’t break the rules or they are just of the view that breaking the forum rules without consequences should be acceptable when it suits certain people? If the latter hang your heads in shame.
If you don’t like the rules on this forum try to get them changed, or find a forum whose rules you find more to your liking (maybe even start your own forum – freedom of speech allows that).
I haven’t seen the post that got Oti banned, So can’t comment on this particular instance. However, (and I may be wrong) I’m pretty sure that Oti for one would not expect any special treatment because of his medical condition.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 16, 2021 20:37:49 GMT 1
He could have been banned 10 times over with some of the stuff he's said. He's been let off countless times because of his condition, yet he keeps on pushing. There is absolutely no need to post something like this, other than to stir things and beg for attention: Is that what he's been given a ban for?? Jesus wept. I dont agree with it at all but its just his opinion and he's allowed it. Or at least he should be. That opinion is one shared with most of the worlds population I would imagine, certainly in religious parts ( which is most of it ) What happened to just disagreeing with someone? I hear what youre saying, and I think its crap. Now its I hear what yore saying, and I will stop you being able to say it because I think its crap. Silencing of opinions is fascism isn't it? As far as I’m aware Oti was in an ongoing argument with an admin.to such an extent that he threatened to take legal action against him (the admin) if it continued, backed it up with his rant, pointing out that everything he stated was quite legal. I also noticed said admin. in an earlier post used the N word (if I quote him do I get banned ?) but it’s alright, it was in quotes and he’s an admin and stand up comic apparently, so no harm done. I also notice he’s taken to giving likes out to all the supportive posts which doesn’t seem right to me, I’d have thought he should be keeping his thoughts to himself now where Oti is concerned ? |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 16, 2021 20:37:53 GMT 1
Just to be clear to those saying this was my doing, if I had that level of sawy he'd have been banned years ago. I make no secret of that.
The post in question was not reported by me and my first comment on the admin panel for it was that clearly I should not have a vote. I know for a fact that, as is right and proper, lifetime bans are a last resort.
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Jul 16, 2021 20:41:06 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2021 20:41:06 GMT 1
The worst bit about the post that got Oti banned isn't that he labelled homosexuals as "deviant". I mean, that isn't great in itself, but to call it a "poor lifestyle choice"...deary fucking me. When was being gay ever something anyone did out of choice? There will definitely be gay people on this forum, 100% Some may not have even found the courage to open up about it yet. Why would they want to when they see people are still able to spout that shit, as well as also having a hoard of angry gammons championing their cause to do so? How weak and pathetic do you think homosexuals are? That they're so pitifully delicate that they'd read the views of some nobody on some obscure part of an obscure internet site,,, views that none of the other users on the obscure site agree with him about,,, and having done that they'll be so upset and worried about coming out that they'll probably think better of it? You've got a lower opinion of gays than Otium has if you see them like that. And 'gammons' is an insulting term about peoples skin colour... just saying like. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 16, 2021 20:42:10 GMT 1
Just to be clear to those saying this was my doing, if I had that level of sawy he'd have been banned years ago. I make no secret of that. The post in question was not reported by me and my first comment on the admin panel for it was that clearly I should not have a vote. I know for a fact that, as is right and proper, lifetime bans are a last resort. Why do we have to have life time bans. I asked after you (you as in admins- -not you personally Grim) banned Enoch if we could have some form of referendum on this. I am sure there were people equally annoyed after you chose to ban Nick for life as well. I find it odd, that this as a fans forum bans people for life - without recourse. Increasing lengths of banishment would serve same purpose and give the offender time to change. |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 16, 2021 20:42:11 GMT 1
Shared many a PM with him, starting around the time my mum was diagnosed with cancer in summer 2019.
I found him a kind, thoughtful, generous and modest bloke.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 16, 2021 20:42:56 GMT 1
A good decision to ban someone so explicitly racist and homophobic. Of course, we all wish him well in terms of his psychological and physical health. All in all his views are so backwards and destructive that they turn a safe space such as a forum into an unsafe and threatening place. The ban is justified. Well done admins. You need to look on some of the other football forums. Get a grip |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 16, 2021 20:44:26 GMT 1
Long post alert. First off, Oti and I have had some “robust” conversations recently on the politics sub-board. Recently he’s used some pretty caustic put-downs towards me, and I can’t claim to be entirely innocent, either. But poster-to-poster name-calling isn’t what this is about. I’ve got an extremely thick hide - say whatever the hell you like to me, it would take something really cretinous directed at me personally for me to cry “personal abuse” and report a poster. I’m a big boy, I can take it, and I’ve never reported any instance of personal abuse. Apologies for taking a moment trying to make this about me, but I’ve got good reason for it - there are some people “policing” this board, and I don’t mean the admins. But that’s the thing here; assuming that this decision is down to one poster abusing another poster is just plain wrong. To go looking for “that one post” is short-sighted. It’s not difficult to work out what post was the straw that broke the camel’s back and led to the ban; I read it this morning, had a short intake of breath and went on with my day. But I think we all know it’s not just one post - things don’t work like that. Read the rules - whether you agree with them or not, the fact is you don’t generally just get banned for one post. If you read that post and “didn’t see anything wrong with it”, perhaps you should think about it some more. But also, importantly, realise that this hasn’t happened because of that one post. One of the admins - apologies, but I forget who, and on which thread - said recently that Oti was being treated more sympathetically because of his illness, and I too was prepared to give him some slack. Look, it goes without saying that I’m sympathetic about his physical illness. That said, recently his posts became increasingly bitter, angry and resentful - and it’s been sad to see. It saddens me that someone could get to the end of their days - if that’s the case, I’m sure we all hope it’s not - being so perpetually angry, bitter and resentful. I’m genuinely concerned for his mental well-being. But none of that absolves someone from the consequences of what they say. I’m amazed at how many people on here can’t work out the difference between the idea of free-speech, and the simple fact that what you say has implications and consequences. Free speech gives us all the right to say what we want, but if you start discriminating against people based on skin colour, gender, sexuality and so on - then you can expect to be face the consequences; whether that’s by some knobhead on a message board, or by laws that criminalise it. Free speech doesn’t mean the right to discriminate without consequences. Those of you have children; let me ask you this. If one of them came to you and told you they were homosexual, and then some bloke on a message board said that your child was “a deviant”, or “had a perversion”, would you still be banging the free-speech drum? If you have similar attitudes - perhaps your children are fearful of telling you? Just a thought. I had a friend at University who was terrified of telling his parents. He told them, they disowned him, he killed himself. I think about him a lot. Words have consequences. He’ll be missed in one sense - his posts were bollocks, but entertaining bollocks - but I won’t miss the hate. But all that said, I still wish him well. this is well put .Homophobic comments are completely unacceptable on any social media platform. Certain members on this forum also dictate how the forum should be run telling admin what to do like they own the forum. It’s irrelevant the guy is funny and will be missed of which he definitely will, to be fair to the bloke though he’s probably had a lucky escape . Also how do you block a poster when your bored of his driveling. |
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Jul 16, 2021 20:45:32 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 20:45:32 GMT 1
A good decision to ban someone so explicitly racist and homophobic. Of course, we all wish him well in terms of his psychological and physical health. All in all his views are so backwards and destructive that they turn a safe space such as a forum into an unsafe and threatening place. The ban is justified. Well done admins. He wasn't racist. He was extremely critical of one particular religion.. that isn't being racist! Have you ever read his posts about followers of other religions from that part of the world? Clearly not, or maybe you'd understand the distinction. In terms of homophobia, very old fashioned but even today his thoughts echo most religions'. Largely horseshit in my view, but views held by most of the world population nonetheless. Who are the admins on here to say he isn't allowed to have those views? And what difference does it make if he does? If its so unacceptable then shut down the churches and the mosques and make it truly unacceptable! This is a disgraceful level of censorship , prompted by one admin's personal hatred for a poster after years of mud-slinging at each other. I respect the admins for the job they do, but they should be embarrassed about doing this IMO. DATM is certainly a poorer place without Otium. A 'poorer place' in what sense? |
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