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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Dec 11, 2021 21:09:39 GMT 1
Mids I'm going to be honest with you. You've taken a few cheap shots at the efforts of Ben and the CL. You sound as if you are resentful of the new generation. You are tarnishing your own good reputation in the process. Embrace and encourage them. They are the future and we should be enthusing them in their efforts rather than kicking them when they're a bit down. You're right Pete. They're great @sio, point proven
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Post by mids on Dec 11, 2021 21:10:19 GMT 1
You keep saying this for some reason...and you're very wrong. All I'm saying is that if they can't bd arsed then that's fair enough. I know Scoffa is no longer here to lead the singing but perhaps someone else can step up when the team are being shite...ideally without any women having to hide away. Please stop playing naive, your agenda is and always has been here for all to see. No idea what you're on about
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 11, 2021 21:11:20 GMT 1
In the promotion season home games was just as good as away games. But that was when you knew you were going to watch players give 100% for the badge so it made you want to get behind them. We don’t have that now although v West Brom you could see what a difference seeing them fight for every ball made to the atmosphere.
Fight, fight, fight that’s all we ask and if we’re beaten by a better team then so be it. The team are lucky that we don’t show our frustration enough.
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Post by yappledapple on Dec 11, 2021 21:11:26 GMT 1
Well, the players appear to want to acknowledge the CL, regardless of the lack of noise today (and it may be because of the comments made in the recent ATT meeting), but Toffolo at the end was waving and urging the players over to the South stand to recognise them.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Dec 11, 2021 21:26:43 GMT 1
Please stop playing naive, your agenda is and always has been here for all to see. No idea what you're on about Of course you don't. I'm still waiting on your showing of the claims of the 'self anointed atmosphere providers' you speak of by the way.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 11, 2021 21:29:50 GMT 1
In the promotion season home games was just as good as away games. But that was when you knew you were going to watch players give 100% for the badge so it made you want to get behind them. We don’t have that now although v West Brom you could see what a difference seeing them fight for every ball made to the atmosphere. Fight, fight, fight that’s all we ask and if we’re beaten by a better team then so be it. The team are lucky that we don’t show our frustration enough. Given the performances, lack of entertainment, negativity, goals scored etc over the last few years they get away very lightly.
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 11, 2021 21:43:28 GMT 1
The South stand were completely silent all game and if that upsets some good people who've put a lot of effort in over the years to build an atmosphere, then sorry. It's a collective effort and people in the south stand owe it to the organisers to show some fucking zeal.
I remember one game I attended in Chile a few years back- I was in the top tier with the team's singing section in the lower tier below me. The leaders spent the whole game with their backs to the goal we were behind, leading chants. The other team scored and they didn't even break step. We never even fucking started. I had a go at starting something up a few times in the kilner bank, barely any response.
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 11, 2021 21:49:28 GMT 1
The South stand were completely silent all game and if that upsets some good people who've put a lot of effort in over the years to build an atmosphere, then sorry. It's a collective effort and people in the south stand owe it to the organisers to show some fucking zeal. I remember one game I attended in Chile a few years back- I was in the top tier with the team's singing section in the lower tier below me. The leaders spent the whole game with their backs to the goal we were behind, leading chants. The other team scored and they didn't even break step. We never even fucking started. I had a go at starting something up a few times in the kilner bank, barely any response. Go back to chile then and spend money staring at blokes watching football!
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Post by Toxic Ted on Dec 11, 2021 22:21:28 GMT 1
I might be old school but folk trying to pre-empt building a false atmosphere seems ridiculous to me.
Did all the nights I enjoyed in the Cowshed have hymn sheets, conductors and agent provocateurs in the crowd? Did they bollocks. Great atmospheres are about spontaneity, the team doing something special and the crowd getting carried away in the moment. It’s like hiring nutcases to scream and cry at funerals.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 11, 2021 22:28:44 GMT 1
I might be old school but folk trying to pre-empt building a false atmosphere seems ridiculous to me. Did all the nights I enjoyed in the Cowshed have hymn sheets, conductors and agent provocateurs in the crowd? Did they bollocks. Great atmospheres are about spontaneity, the team doing something special and the crowd getting carried away in the moment. It’s like hiring nutcases to scream and cry at funerals. I’d agree with you. A good atmosphere “ just happens” It’s about how things feel in the stadium at a particular moment. Often one great tackle, pass or shot can trigger this off. You can’t manufacture the atmosphere.
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Post by terrierpark on Dec 11, 2021 23:24:50 GMT 1
Dont go!! I'm not paying 25 quid a pop to watch this garbage. If enough of us stay away the penny will drop with ALL concerned. To be frankly honest the club have been lucky to get the support they have had since relegation and the dross dished up since, so stop letting them make a mug of us all. We can all get behind effort even where there is lack of talent but the effort has to be directed and chanelled in the right way. It's not and it hasnt been for the last six or seven games now.
I'll go again when the either club has been taken over or Carlos has departed and the team can make an acurate forward pass.
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 11, 2021 23:31:13 GMT 1
The South stand were completely silent all game and if that upsets some good people who've put a lot of effort in over the years to build an atmosphere, then sorry. It's a collective effort and people in the south stand owe it to the organisers to show some fucking zeal. I remember one game I attended in Chile a few years back- I was in the top tier with the team's singing section in the lower tier below me. The leaders spent the whole game with their backs to the goal we were behind, leading chants. The other team scored and they didn't even break step. We never even fucking started. I had a go at starting something up a few times in the kilner bank, barely any response. Go back to chile then and spend money staring at blokes watching football! fucking wish I could. the biggest reaction I heard from our crowd was anger at passing the ball back to our keeper. Louder than when we scored. We're pathetic, entitled, and aging
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Post by tepidterrier on Dec 11, 2021 23:40:03 GMT 1
I might be old school but folk trying to pre-empt building a false atmosphere seems ridiculous to me. Did all the nights I enjoyed in the Cowshed have hymn sheets, conductors and agent provocateurs in the crowd? Did they bollocks. Great atmospheres are about spontaneity, the team doing something special and the crowd getting carried away in the moment. It’s like hiring nutcases to scream and cry at funerals. I’d agree with you. A good atmosphere “ just happens” It’s about how things feel in the stadium at a particular moment. Often one great tackle, pass or shot can trigger this off. You can’t manufacture the atmosphere. you can- it's the point of organised singing sections. If they start it off and are loud enough the rest will follow. While individual moments get a roar, it's not the same thing and either culminates in a goal or a collective groan!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 11, 2021 23:48:25 GMT 1
I’d agree with you. A good atmosphere “ just happens” It’s about how things feel in the stadium at a particular moment. Often one great tackle, pass or shot can trigger this off. You can’t manufacture the atmosphere. you can- it's the point of organised singing sections. If they start it off and are loud enough the rest will follow. While individual moments get a roar, it's not the same thing and either culminates in a goal or a collective groan! Agree with your point re singing in one section, I get that. But, this won’t effect the overall atmosphere in the stadium , the likes of which we haven’t experienced now for a good few years.
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Post by orinoco on Dec 11, 2021 23:48:29 GMT 1
If this garbage carries on the fans will be singing again, probably songs aimed at the manager and the board.
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Post by terrierneil on Dec 12, 2021 0:39:51 GMT 1
It's always been a shite atmosphere at Town. It steps up a notch if we have a promotion season but whose doesn't?
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Post by tonytiler on Dec 12, 2021 0:58:48 GMT 1
Put the away fans in the bottom tier of the opposite stand so when its raining they get piss wet through and have a truly horrible day. We all know that wont happen,the home side should have the whole of the south stand end of,the atmosphere on a home game is shite and untill we stick the away fans elsewhere out the fucking way then it wont get any better.
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Post by tobyg on Dec 12, 2021 1:00:01 GMT 1
Please stop playing naive, your agenda is and always has been here for all to see. No idea what you're on about It’s the most blatant attempt at shit stirring when you know fans are frustrated. Pathetic really.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 1:30:27 GMT 1
Please stop playing naive, your agenda is and always has been here for all to see. No idea what you're on about Of course not Marcus, you’re more see through than Transparent Taff on this one. Can you answer the question about what you want the Cowshed Loyal to “give up” please, and then I can decide if I’m with you or not.
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Post by orinoco on Dec 12, 2021 1:44:38 GMT 1
Maybe we should invite Russ Abbot to a game or two… Now there's an idea Stick Bella Emberg up front, big target to aim at!!
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Post by bluestripe on Dec 12, 2021 2:16:05 GMT 1
Ok Nigel. Carry on as you were:) The Riverside dont annoint themselves as the atmosphere providers. If it's good they'll also it up...and collect funds. If its shite they should take it on board and do better. Away sides are taking the piss, repeatedly. If the CL are happy with that then so be it...although 'The Cowshed' wouldn't I think you're pissed...your sentences aren't making much sense. You're assuming everyone who goes in the South Stand wears a virtual Cowshed Loyal pin badge and is solely there to bring some noise? Well thats nothing close to the truth...the vast majority are there because they want to stand up at football and be in and around a place where when things do liven up, its the place to be...a bit like the Kilner Bank was in the late 90's. Can't comment on raising money or speak for the core CL people about flags and stuff, I have zero interest in that. PS - What I remember about the Cowshed from my place at the noisy end of the East Terrace is that most of the time they made virtually no noise. I didn't suggest they 'give up' though! downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/97660/butterfield-comments-south-stand-singersThis thread is from the Powell era. So what, you might say. Well, the key points I would like to make: 1. We didn't exactly play Champagne football then, although it was probably slightly less mind numbing than it is now. 2. I can't see anybody in the thread going "actually being the catalyst for the atmosphere is not what we're about, we just want to stand up". But did the club really decide to forego revenue on certain match days just so people could stand up. I don't have the best of memories, but I recall that equation was all about countering the atmosphere from away fans, not only by having less away fans, but having a dedicated singing section to counter the away fans' noise.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 12, 2021 10:17:30 GMT 1
People are talking as if we have fallen from top of the pile of most vociferous home supporters. Let’s be honest, over the decades, we’ve never really had a massive vocal home support. Forget away game and promotion seasons. Away games are generally great, we have some of the best away support, I would never dispute that. Promotion seasons are great for any team, no matter who you are or what division, of course the atmosphere is going to be great when you are winning every week. Too many people are still fantasising over the Wagner era. It was a one off. Yeah we make some noise every now and then, so do the other 91 clubs. Most of the home support of all clubs has been shit this season mainly due to the shit standard of football in this division. It’s not rocket science. If you are battling away at the top or fighting for your life at the bottom then the atmosphere reflects this. Mid table, poor football with little to no attacking threat then it will be pretty silent.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 12, 2021 10:24:17 GMT 1
Dont go!! I'm not paying 25 quid a pop to watch this garbage. If enough of us stay away the penny will drop with ALL concerned. To be frankly honest the club have been lucky to get the support they have had since relegation and the dross dished up since, so stop letting them make a mug of us all. We can all get behind effort even where there is lack of talent but the effort has to be directed and chanelled in the right way. It's not and it hasnt been for the last six or seven games now. I'll go again when the either club has been taken over or Carlos has departed and the team can make an acurate forward pass. Hardly anyone bothered yesterday. Nothing will change.
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Post by 28901 on Dec 12, 2021 10:35:18 GMT 1
Watching the match on tv yesterday what was noticeable apart fom the empty seats was age of the fans. Every crowd shot seemed to be some flat capped pensioner or grey haired woman. Now Ive nothing against those, I wear a flat cap myself (although in a trendy and cool way 😉), but they are less likely to crank up the noise or invade the pitch than your youth wing.
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Post by artysid on Dec 12, 2021 10:55:14 GMT 1
It seems to me that Mids (a poster I have a lot of time for) has had a grudge against the Cowshed Loyal for quite a while.
Thing is, I'm not sure why?
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Post by bluestripe on Dec 12, 2021 10:56:13 GMT 1
People are talking as if we have fallen from top of the pile of most vociferous home supporters. Let’s be honest, over the decades, we’ve never really had a massive vocal home support. Forget away game and promotion seasons. Away games are generally great, we have some of the best away support, I would never dispute that. Promotion seasons are great for any team, no matter who you are or what division, of course the atmosphere is going to be great when you are winning every week. Too many people are still fantasising over the Wagner era. It was a one off. Yeah we make some noise every now and then, so do the other 91 clubs. Most of the home support of all clubs has been shit this season mainly due to the shit standard of football in this division. It’s not rocket science. If you are battling away at the top or fighting for your life at the bottom then the atmosphere reflects this. Mid table, poor football with little to no attacking threat then it will be pretty silent. I agree with your general point. But that link to an old thread I posted above predates the Wagner era. The South Stand / North Stand were around before Wagner. Having thought about it, it looks to me that the campaign to get a dedicated area was the motivation, and once it was secured and the Wagner era ended, the motivation was lost in apathy. I just want to understand whether the ethos has changed over time. Looks to me that the current ethos of the South Stand is limited to waving a few flags and standing up. I'm pretty sure that was not the ambition at the start. If that is now the current ambition, then I don't think people should be upset if the club reverted to kicking out the people in the South Stand when teams with big away followings visit.
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Post by artysid on Dec 12, 2021 10:58:10 GMT 1
I'll be honest I could hardly muster a cheer when we score, cos I knew the inevitable was now on the cards - sit back until they equalize and then maybe even sneak a winner, It's so depressing.
If I didn't meet up with my mates and have a good laugh in the pub before the game, I'd probably stop going.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Dec 12, 2021 10:58:29 GMT 1
Put the away fans in the bottom tier of the opposite stand so when its raining they get piss wet through and have a truly horrible day. We all know that wont happen,the home side should have the whole of the south stand end of,the atmosphere on a home game is shite and untill we stick the away fans elsewhere out the fucking way then it wont get any better. There's plenty of empty seats and we only have half of the stand. It would be very sparse if we had the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 11:01:39 GMT 1
Watching the match on tv yesterday what was noticeable apart fom the empty seats was age of the fans. Every crowd shot seemed to be some flat capped pensioner or grey haired woman. Now Ive nothing against those, I wear a flat cap myself (although in a trendy and cool way 😉), but they are less likely to crank up the noise or invade the pitch than your youth wing. Most cameras point into the Riverside.
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Post by orinoco on Dec 12, 2021 11:11:49 GMT 1
Watching the match on tv yesterday what was noticeable apart fom the empty seats was age of the fans. Every crowd shot seemed to be some flat capped pensioner or grey haired woman. Now Ive nothing against those, I wear a flat cap myself (although in a trendy and cool way 😉), but they are less likely to crank up the noise or invade the pitch than your youth wing. Watching Town at the moment turns you grey!!.
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