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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 7, 2022 11:38:00 GMT 1
There you go.
Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same.
Lack of investment.
No progression.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 7, 2022 13:06:03 GMT 1
There you go. Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same. Lack of investment. No progression. Crickets |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 7, 2022 16:09:08 GMT 1
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 7, 2022 16:13:54 GMT 1
There you go. Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same. Lack of investment. No progression. When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 7, 2022 16:23:49 GMT 1
There you go. Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same. Lack of investment. No progression. When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? Sell the club and let us move on. |
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Post by bradley1985 on Jul 7, 2022 16:34:25 GMT 1
Dean had no problems spending his familys money to bank roll numerous garbage managers. What an odd comment, he spent his familys unwisely and now wants the vlub to repay him for poor investment decisions. Madness. Any football club that reverts back to spending to its means will simply fall down the leagues. Scunthorpe are a recent example of this. Playing kids who had no idea last season, now in the conference.
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Post by wigster on Jul 7, 2022 18:12:13 GMT 1
There you go. Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same. Lack of investment. No progression. When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? Basically, yes. Old fashioned view perhaps. It would certainly be wonderful if a multi-millionaire could subsidise a club AND make money but not many do. To own my club would be a privilege and an honour. And YES, if I had the money I would expect to lose some for the privilege - and the gamble. And I would do it. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 7, 2022 20:28:13 GMT 1
When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? Basically, yes. Old fashioned view perhaps. It would certainly be wonderful if a multi-millionaire could subsidise a club AND make money but not many do. To own my club would be a privilege and an honour. And YES, if I had the money I would expect to lose some for the privilege - and the gamble. And I would do it. As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 7, 2022 20:49:49 GMT 1
Basically, yes. Old fashioned view perhaps. It would certainly be wonderful if a multi-millionaire could subsidise a club AND make money but not many do. To own my club would be a privilege and an honour. And YES, if I had the money I would expect to lose some for the privilege - and the gamble. And I would do it. As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. But he's done or said nothing since he took over to disprove that he's only doing it cos he has to if he wants the rest of his money back. There's no sign of the old Hoyle enthusiasm, he's got us treading water and, in football, that means we'll go backwards which willake the club harder to sell. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 7, 2022 20:51:38 GMT 1
As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. But he's done or said nothing since he took over to disprove that he's only doing it cos he has to if he wants the rest of his money back. There's no sign of the old Hoyle enthusiasm, he's got us treading water and, in football, that means we'll go backwards which willake the club harder to sell. I'm not disagreeing with that at all. He needs to come out and start providing a bit of clarity. |
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Post by wigster on Jul 7, 2022 20:57:12 GMT 1
Basically, yes. Old fashioned view perhaps. It would certainly be wonderful if a multi-millionaire could subsidise a club AND make money but not many do. To own my club would be a privilege and an honour. And YES, if I had the money I would expect to lose some for the privilege - and the gamble. And I would do it. As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. I'm sorry Headless, but if I was a multi millionaire I WOULD put money in to Town. Honestly. I've never been a millionaire but I did put quite a bit in to those collections at the ground years ago when the club was reportedly going under. AND I never asked for it back. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 8, 2022 7:00:08 GMT 1
Im sorry but Dean decided to buy a football club. To have a successful football club means investment. Im not going to go down the whole Dean thing again but it was always his choice.
Carlos we were told by Dean "On the coach back from Wembley, Carlos and his team got their laptops out and started planning. I was very impressed."
So surely a recruitment plan was then put in place. In fact Bromby told us that they would be focussing on forward players. I guess that list had players on it that Carlos wanted.
The club have failed to deliver those players, most likely through lack of investment. Carlos was asked to pull the same trick as last year. Why would he ? He wanted progression to have a real go at promotion.
We have now lost the best manager we have had for years. I guess my thread should have been titled is "Carlos worried ?".
Dean needs to sell as he has just made the biggest error in his time as owner.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 8, 2022 7:26:52 GMT 1
Im sorry but Dean decided to buy a football club. To have a successful football club means investment. Im not going to go down the whole Dean thing again but it was always his choice. Carlos we were told by Dean "On the coach back from Wembley, Carlos and his team got their laptops out and started planning. I was very impressed." So surely a recruitment plan was then put in place. In fact Bromby told us that they would be focussing on forward players. I guess that list had players on it that Carlos wanted. The club have failed to deliver those players, most likely through lack of investment. Carlos was asked to pull the same trick as last year. Why would he ? He wanted progression to have a real go at promotion. We have now lost the best manager we have had for years. I guess my thread should have been titled is "Carlos worried ?". Dean needs to sell as he has just made the biggest error in his time as owner. Making us a laughing stock. Many people I know from around the world have sent me messages basically calling us 'tin pot' and some even questioning how I can support something that doesnt want to achieve great things. Think DH owes us all to come out and state  is actually going on. I feel bad for Danny Schofield, who I believe is one of the best up and coming coaches about, as a lot of the anger and upset isnt aimed at him but the way yesterday went needs explaining. DH ..... you buy the tickets, we will buy the players.. Another lie spun. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 8, 2022 7:47:47 GMT 1
Do we think that's it for now on new signings then?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 8, 2022 20:03:48 GMT 1
I hope Danny does well as he was my favourite player in his time at Town but the sooner Hoyle sells up and fucks off, the better
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 8, 2022 20:43:04 GMT 1
Im sorry but Dean decided to buy a football club. To have a successful football club means investment. Im not going to go down the whole Dean thing again but it was always his choice. Carlos we were told by Dean "On the coach back from Wembley, Carlos and his team got their laptops out and started planning. I was very impressed." So surely a recruitment plan was then put in place. In fact Bromby told us that they would be focussing on forward players. I guess that list had players on it that Carlos wanted. The club have failed to deliver those players, most likely through lack of investment. Carlos was asked to pull the same trick as last year. Why would he ? He wanted progression to have a real go at promotion. We have now lost the best manager we have had for years. I guess my thread should have been titled is "Carlos worried ?". Dean needs to sell as he has just made the biggest error in his time as owner. Making us a laughing stock. Many people I know from around the world have sent me messages basically calling us 'tin pot' and some even questioning how I can support something that doesnt want to achieve great things. Think DH owes us all to come out and state is actually going on. I feel bad for Danny Schofield, who I believe is one of the best up and coming coaches about, as a lot of the anger and upset isnt aimed at him but the way yesterday went needs explaining. DH ..... you buy the tickets, we will buy the players.. Another lie spun. The number and fees,wages, percieved quality of the players is not specified!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 9:55:23 GMT 1
As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. But he's done or said nothing since he took over to disprove that he's only doing it cos he has to if he wants the rest of his money back. There's no sign of the old Hoyle enthusiasm, he's got us treading water and, in football, that means we'll go backwards which willake the club harder to sell. If he hasn't got the shares back yet then treading water is what he should be doing. When you buy a new house do you fit a new kitchen before you own it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 9:59:40 GMT 1
As much as I am concerned about DH's approach and getting more than a bit cheesed off, I can't do with that hypothetical comment, which a few reel out. You have no idea if you would do that, especially if it was self-earned, as is the case with DH, and it was in the economic climate we are in now. I'm sorry Headless, but if I was a multi millionaire I WOULD put money in to Town. Honestly. I've never been a millionaire but I did put quite a bit in to those collections at the ground years ago when the club was reportedly going under. AND I never asked for it back. Did anyone on here not put money in those collection. I didn't see anyone ask for a receipt. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 10, 2022 11:04:30 GMT 1
I'm sorry Headless, but if I was a multi millionaire I WOULD put money in to Town. Honestly. I've never been a millionaire but I did put quite a bit in to those collections at the ground years ago when the club was reportedly going under. AND I never asked for it back. Did anyone on here not put money in those collection. I didn't see anyone ask for a receipt. The absurdity of modern football finance encapsulated in ordinary working people putting what they could in a bucket - just a few yards from the black, high spec Audis and Range Rovers of the players - who were guaranteed 100% of what they were 'owed' when we went into admin - even though their wages were ultimately the reason we were in such a mess. We could have cut out the middle man and just had a whip round to buy them a spare tyre or maybe washed their cars for free. |
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Post by willo on Jul 10, 2022 11:19:26 GMT 1
There you go. Carlos leaves he obviously thought exactly the same. Lack of investment. No progression. When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? But isn’t that your job if you own a football club? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 10, 2022 12:19:54 GMT 1
When you say 'lack of investment', you're asking DH to spend his own family's money on new Town players - yes? But isn’t that your job if you own a football club? Is it ? |
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Post by willo on Jul 10, 2022 14:56:23 GMT 1
But isn’t that your job if you own a football club? Is it ? I always thought a person with more money than you or I are ever going to have buys the club on the understanding that if you want to progress, some money that you should be able to afford and may never get back, will have to be ploughed in for new signings and their wages every few months otherwise why bother? It’s rare for an owner to make money out of running a football club. They all ultimately lose money and the individuals concerned should know this before getting involved. |
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Post by townatheart on Jul 10, 2022 15:09:55 GMT 1
I always thought a person with more money than you or I are ever going to have buys the club on the understanding that if you want to progress, some money that you should be able to afford and may never get back, will have to be ploughed in for new signings and their wages every few months otherwise why bother? It’s rare for an owner to make money out of running a football club. They all ultimately lose money and the individuals concerned should know this before getting involved. Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 10, 2022 15:11:21 GMT 1
I always thought a person with more money than you or I are ever going to have buys the club on the understanding that if you want to progress, some money that you should be able to afford and may never get back, will have to be ploughed in for new signings and their wages every few months otherwise why bother? It’s rare for an owner to make money out of running a football club. They all ultimately lose money and the individuals concerned should know this before getting involved. Ok well that's your opinion . Do you not think that actually football clubs have been used by many to accrue a profit ? Plenty of examples . Hoyle put money into our club that was above and beyond and with little chance of getting it back. We got to the prem and that unlikelihood became a possibility . He could have sold the club and got his cash back . I bet he wished he had now . He has been a great owner for our club based on what preceeded him and also how bad it could have been . Be careful what you wish for I say |
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Jul 10, 2022 15:17:16 GMT 1
I always thought a person with more money than you or I are ever going to have buys the club on the understanding that if you want to progress, some money that you should be able to afford and may never get back, will have to be ploughed in for new signings and their wages every few months otherwise why bother? It’s rare for an owner to make money out of running a football club. They all ultimately lose money and the individuals concerned should know this before getting involved. Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. No salary, no interest charged on the loans. He once bought shares/converted loans to the tune of £6-7m I think |
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Post by townatheart on Jul 10, 2022 15:25:43 GMT 1
Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. No salary, no interest charged on the loans. He once bought shares/converted loans to the tune of £6-7m I think As I said I do not know the factual answer, but will say that my opinion is that over time he has invested more in than the loan amount being repaid over time (do agree with the poster suggesting he could have structured a longer repayment period). |
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Post by willo on Jul 10, 2022 17:22:15 GMT 1
I always thought a person with more money than you or I are ever going to have buys the club on the understanding that if you want to progress, some money that you should be able to afford and may never get back, will have to be ploughed in for new signings and their wages every few months otherwise why bother? It’s rare for an owner to make money out of running a football club. They all ultimately lose money and the individuals concerned should know this before getting involved. Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. Be amazed if he hasn’t lost money but then would that be a big surprise? I just don’t think you buy a football club with the expectation of making much or any money at all. We overachieved and got to the PL and doubtless made some money then but we all know what happened after that. FWIW, I’m not a critic of Dean’s - he took us to the promised(?) land and nearly paid the ultimate price - and he does seem to now want out and is looking for a buyer. It’s just the whole wanting the money thing back that’s tainting things for me and a fair few others. Never been called an old fart before either. Quality! |
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Post by Melc on Jul 10, 2022 17:46:59 GMT 1
Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. Be amazed if he hasn’t lost money but then would that be a big surprise? I just don’t think you buy a football club with the expectation of making much or any money at all. We overachieved and got to the PL and doubtless made some money then but we all know what happened after that. FWIW, I’m not a critic of Dean’s - he took us to the promised(?) land and nearly paid the ultimate price - and he does seem to now want out and is looking for a buyer. It’s just the whole wanting the money thing back that’s tainting things for me and a fair few others. Never been called an old fart before either. Quality! Something must be wrong considering PH quit as a director 5 months ago and still has not managed to buy back the 75% shares. |
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Post by townatheart on Jul 10, 2022 17:56:37 GMT 1
Question for those who have clearer minds and memories (as regards financial FACTS) than this old fart, has DH not actually lost money over the years (does the loan money paid/being repaid) cover ALL of the money (that may include a question regards if he has historically or currently drawn a significant salary as Chairman or CEO) he has invested over time. I genuinely don't know the answer, but hopefully someone with factual knowledge will have a reasoned idea. Be amazed if he hasn’t lost money but then would that be a big surprise? I just don’t think you buy a football club with the expectation of making much or any money at all. We overachieved and got to the PL and doubtless made some money then but we all know what happened after that. FWIW, I’m not a critic of Dean’s - he took us to the promised(?) land and nearly paid the ultimate price - and he does seem to now want out and is looking for a buyer. It’s just the whole wanting the money thing back that’s tainting things for me and a fair few others. Never been called an old fart before either. Quality! As regards the old fart, I was speaking only of myself   |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 11, 2022 6:46:57 GMT 1
I think one things is clear from All the replies.
None of us are sure what Dean is doing or what he wants. We are all left to read between the lines. Assumptions will be made.
I’ve calmed down since last week but find myself still wondering about the squad.
Is the plan to promote some of the kids? Is that why Carlos left?
Why is there no money ? Gates were up at the end of last season. More tv revenue. Three playoff games. We have just released at least nine players so surely the wage bill is down.
Why have the shares not been transferred ?
I was told that Wembley was shit or bust. Why are our overheads still too high ?
Luton have spent 4 million with average gate 6000 leas than ours.
So as said many questions and assumptions will be made.
UTT.
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is actually going on. I feel bad for Danny Schofield, who I believe is one of the best up and coming coaches about, as a lot of the anger and upset isnt aimed at him but the way yesterday went needs explaining.
