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Post by wigster on Jul 11, 2022 9:22:49 GMT 1
I think one things is clear from All the replies. None of us are sure what Dean is doing or what he wants. We are all left to read between the lines. Assumptions will be made. I’ve calmed down since last week but find myself still wondering about the squad. Is the plan to promote some of the kids? Is that why Carlos left? Why is there no money ? Gates were up at the end of last season. More tv revenue. Three playoff games. We have just released at least nine players so surely the wage bill is down. Why have the shares not been transferred ? I was told that Wembley was shit or bust. Why are our overheads still too high ? Luton have spent 4 million with average gate 6000 leas than ours. So as said many questions and assumptions will be made. UTT. "I honestly believe we are in a great position as a club" is what Mr Hoyle wrote only last week. That, for me, implies that because of all the things you mention - and others - we are in a strong financial position and can, and will, be splashing some cash on one or more proven players. Obviously not in the reckless way he did last time he was overseeing things - we'll be paying him back for that for years to come - but in a more sensible but exciting way. |
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Post by crux on Jul 11, 2022 9:33:44 GMT 1
I think one things is clear from All the replies. None of us are sure what Dean is doing or what he wants. We are all left to read between the lines. Assumptions will be made. I’ve calmed down since last week but find myself still wondering about the squad. Is the plan to promote some of the kids? Is that why Carlos left? Why is there no money ? Gates were up at the end of last season. More tv revenue. Three playoff games. We have just released at least nine players so surely the wage bill is down. Why have the shares not been transferred ? I was told that Wembley was shit or bust. Why are our overheads still too high ? Luton have spent 4 million with average gate 6000 leas than ours. So as said many questions and assumptions will be made. UTT. "I honestly believe we are in a great position as a club" is what Mr Hoyle wrote only last week. That, for me, implies that because of all the things you mention - and others - we are in a strong financial position and can, and will, be splashing some cash on one or more proven players. Obviously not in the reckless way he did last time he was overseeing things - we'll be paying him back for that for years to come - but in a more sensible but exciting way. Unless we sell someone for really big money, presumably O'Brien, we're not going to be spending a significant amount of money on anyone. I took his statement to mean that we'd now got a realistic income and expenditure setup and that the Academy/B team was starting to produce players. As you say we've still got a massive debt to pay off and the only way that happens is player sales or promotion to the PL. |
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Post by prepare on Jul 11, 2022 10:17:25 GMT 1
I think one things is clear from All the replies. None of us are sure what Dean is doing or what he wants. We are all left to read between the lines. Assumptions will be made. I’ve calmed down since last week but find myself still wondering about the squad. Is the plan to promote some of the kids? Is that why Carlos left? Why is there no money ? Gates were up at the end of last season. More tv revenue. Three playoff games. We have just released at least nine players so surely the wage bill is down. Why have the shares not been transferred ? I was told that Wembley was shit or bust. Why are our overheads still too high ? Luton have spent 4 million with average gate 6000 leas than ours. So as said many questions and assumptions will be made. UTT. "I honestly believe we are in a great position as a club" is what Mr Hoyle wrote only last week. That, for me, implies that because of all the things you mention - and others - we are in a strong financial position and can, and will, be splashing some cash on one or more proven players. Obviously not in the reckless way he did last time he was overseeing things - we'll be paying him back for that for years to come - but in a more sensible but exciting way. agree entirlly but it suits some peoples agenda to say differently utt |
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Post by mosher on Jul 11, 2022 11:23:36 GMT 1
Not everyone has an agenda prepare/positive.
Some people just have these things called opinions and express those opinions on here.
Nothing wrong with that.
Also nothing wrong with your opinion too, but sometimes you come across as very rude and condescending.
And yes I know, some others do as well, especially when replying to you.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 11, 2022 11:25:04 GMT 1
I think one things is clear from All the replies. None of us are sure what Dean is doing or what he wants. We are all left to read between the lines. Assumptions will be made. I’ve calmed down since last week but find myself still wondering about the squad. Is the plan to promote some of the kids? Is that why Carlos left? Why is there no money ? Gates were up at the end of last season. More tv revenue. Three playoff games. We have just released at least nine players so surely the wage bill is down. Why have the shares not been transferred ? I was told that Wembley was shit or bust. Why are our overheads still too high ? Luton have spent 4 million with average gate 6000 leas than ours. So as said many questions and assumptions will be made. UTT. "I honestly believe we are in a great position as a club" is what Mr Hoyle wrote only last week. That, for me, implies that because of all the things you mention - and others - we are in a strong financial position and can, and will, be splashing some cash on one or more proven players. Obviously not in the reckless way he did last time he was overseeing things - we'll be paying him back for that for years to come - but in a more sensible but exciting way. Deans quote "I honestly believe we are in a great position as a club" to mean " and then taking it to mean "and will, be splashing some cash on one or more proven players." is a leap of faith. We do appear to be in a good position outgoings down and performance up. From finishing 3rd and being on the cusp of doing something special, but we have no clear idea of what the club are planning and if the direction is down not up. We hope that the some money will be spent on proven players so that we can make the next step up. As always the proof is in the pudding and we do not have long to wait to see the answer. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 11, 2022 17:50:16 GMT 1
Not everyone has an agenda prepare/positive. Some people just have these things called opinions and express those opinions on here. Nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with your opinion too, but sometimes you come across as very rude and condescending. And yes I know, some others do as well, especially when replying to you. noted I will try not be so patronising.. Good afternoon Datm I hope everybody is enjoying the summer transfer window...its lush.. better ? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 11, 2022 18:05:31 GMT 1
Not everyone has an agenda prepare/positive. Some people just have these things called opinions and express those opinions on here. Nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with your opinion too, but sometimes you come across as very rude and condescending. And yes I know, some others do as well, especially when replying to you. noted I will try not be so patronising.. Good afternoon Datm I hope everybody is enjoying the summer transfer window...its lush.. better ? Mosher wasn't even talking to you.. |
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Post by mosher on Jul 12, 2022 8:56:24 GMT 1
Not everyone has an agenda prepare/positive. Some people just have these things called opinions and express those opinions on here. Nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with your opinion too, but sometimes you come across as very rude and condescending. And yes I know, some others do as well, especially when replying to you. noted I will try not be so patronising.. Good afternoon Datm I hope everybody is enjoying the summer transfer window...its lush.. better ? LOL was talking to prepare, or positive as he used to be known, although it could also have been aimed at stevehtafc who seems to have rematerialised after an absence |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 22, 2022 14:19:20 GMT 1
Now 12 out, 8 in, plus some loanees returning to us. Of those loanees, only REG is probably ready to play regular first team football.
For me, we still need:
A goalkeeper.
I suspect Chapman, Schofield and Bilokapic will be fighting it out to be Nicholls's back-up but imo all 3 would benefit more from loans elsewhere.
a left back
With Toffolo gone, we have Ruffels (decent enough back-up but I'd hope for better as a regular starter), Yuta (centre back who might be used in an emergency) and Jackson (not ready).
a striker.
If we only bring in one more player it needs to be here. I can see us being very light up front otherwise.
Other than that I think we can go into this season with a lot of confidence that all outgoings have been replaced. In some cases with a probable downgrade (e.g. O'Brien to Kasumu), others almost certainly an upgrade (Brown to Rudoni) and then the unknowns (Sinani to Mahoney), but the club appear to have done their job well in those cases.
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Post by crux on Jul 22, 2022 14:59:30 GMT 1
Now 12 out, 8 in, plus some loanees returning to us. Of those loanees, only REG is probably ready to play regular first team football. For me, we still need: A goalkeeper. I suspect Chapman, Schofield and Bilokapic will be fighting it out to be Nicholls's back-up but imo all 3 would benefit more from loans elsewhere. a left back With Toffolo gone, we have Ruffels (decent enough back-up but I'd hope for better as a regular starter), Yuta (centre back who might be used in an emergency) and Jackson (not ready). a striker.If we only bring in one more player it needs to be here. I can see us being very light up front otherwise. Other than that I think we can go into this season with a lot of confidence that all outgoings have been replaced. In some cases with a probable downgrade (e.g. O'Brien to Kasumu), others almost certainly an upgrade (Brown to Rudoni) and then the unknowns (Sinani to Mahoney), but the club appear to have done their job well in those cases. If we're playing 4 at the back, I'm expecting Yuta Nakayama to be playing left back. I don't disagree that we need another striker option though. The most difficult decision to make is with the goalkeepers. Realistically Schofield needs to go somewhere and play for a season, even if it's a permanent transfer. If that happens then we could look to bring an 'old head' goalkeeper in to cover in case Nicholls gets a long term issue. We do appear to have 2 or 3 decent young, but inexperienced, goalkeepers and need to try and get at least one of them ready for the first team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 16:38:18 GMT 1
I don't disagree regarding another striker but on the positive side, with the signings we have made this window, we could have a lot of goals from midfield. Certainly a lot more support for whoever is playing as the striker. We lost O'Brien, who scored 3 goals and Toffolo who scored 5 of his 6 goals in the last 7 league games. I think we have brought in players with a lot more goal threat in them than the ones we have lost.
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Post by stable on Jul 23, 2022 5:53:03 GMT 1
From the list in the original post, I’d say we’ve so far replaced (Not all are like for like):-
Sarr - Boyle
Blackman - Not replaced yet/considering promoting one of young keepers
Pipa - Not replaced as such but Rowe is back from injury and was good season before, plus REG can play there at a push
Campbell - Not replaced yet. Club rumoured to be actively seeking a striker though
Colwill - REG or Nakayama - Leaves us a bit right side heavy if Nakayama is seen as left back as has been indicated
Anjorin (Injured)- Mahoney, as expect him to be more of a bench option
Eiting - Not replaced - Possible premier loan hinted at?
Vallejo - Kasumu
Sinani - Anjorin (Fit) as expect him to start most games
Toffolo - Nakayama or new player if Nakayama is Colwill replacement
O'Brien - Rudoni
From the above I still think we will sign at least a couple more which would most likely be from:-
-Very likely - A striker (Buy or loan)
-Possibly a premier league loan midfielder as been hinted at. (Although not sure if this might leave us a bit too heavy with midfield options).
-Maybe a left sided central defender/left-back (Possibly another loan)
-A second choice keeper if youth keeper not promoted
-Less likely, another right back
Think overall though, even though it will be difficult to hit the heights of last season, we’ve the makings of a young exciting attacking team there. Just hoping for a couple of additions to complete the balance of the squad and we’re looking reasonably strong to me.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 23, 2022 6:24:07 GMT 1
I don't disagree regarding another striker but on the positive side, with the signings we have made this window, we could have a lot of goals from midfield. Certainly a lot more support for whoever is playing as the striker. We lost O'Brien, who scored 3 goals and Toffolo who scored 5 of his 6 goals in the last 7 league games. I think we have brought in players with a lot more goal threat in them than the ones we have lost. I was thinking about this last night. How many times did LOB get into goal scoring positions, through cut backs or loose scraps around the area, only to miss/put it over? I think Rudoni could hit double figures if he gets into the same positions. |
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Post by flevans on Jul 23, 2022 11:36:53 GMT 1
The more I think about it, great season last one, but we were pretty turgid for a lot of it, quite negative football and grinded out some decent results when needed. The most important part of our success was nicholls and our back line, which is untouched apart from Toff, but seems like we've got a good replacement there. So we're still in good shape defensively and in terms of being hard to beat.
With Tino rejoining, and (big if) we can get a striker in (eg Simpson) I honestly think this squad is much more exciting that last seasons. Obviously the coach situation is yet to play out but I feel really optimistic and reckon we might have some exciting football in us, even if we don't reach the heady heights of last season.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2022 11:47:00 GMT 1
The more I think about it, great season last one, but we were pretty turgid for a lot of it, quite negative football and grinded out some decent results when needed. The most important part of our success was nicholls and our back line, which is untouched apart from Toff, but seems like we've got a good replacement there. So we're still in good shape defensively and in terms of being hard to beat. With Tino rejoining, and (big if) we can get a striker in (eg Simpson) I honestly think this squad is much more exciting that last seasons. Obviously the coach situation is yet to play out but I feel really optimistic and reckon we might have some exciting football in us, even if we don't reach the heady heights of last season. UTT Give me 86 points and 3rd place every season rather exciting and mid table. I’ve read this notion loads that folk will be much happier with glittering football even if it means we’re mid table. It’s nonsense really |
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Post by flevans on Jul 23, 2022 11:56:36 GMT 1
The more I think about it, great season last one, but we were pretty turgid for a lot of it, quite negative football and grinded out some decent results when needed. The most important part of our success was nicholls and our back line, which is untouched apart from Toff, but seems like we've got a good replacement there. So we're still in good shape defensively and in terms of being hard to beat. With Tino rejoining, and (big if) we can get a striker in (eg Simpson) I honestly think this squad is much more exciting that last seasons. Obviously the coach situation is yet to play out but I feel really optimistic and reckon we might have some exciting football in us, even if we don't reach the heady heights of last season. UTT Give me 86 points and 3rd place every season rather exciting and mid table. I’ve read this notion loads that folk will be much happier with glittering football even if it means we’re mid table. It’s nonsense really Each to their own mate, but it's not nonsense. I think we'll potentially be more than capable of at least a play off spot, and it we can play more exciting football at same time then that's pretty exciting I reckon. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2022 11:59:24 GMT 1
Give me 86 points and 3rd place every season rather exciting and mid table. I’ve read this notion loads that folk will be much happier with glittering football even if it means we’re mid table. It’s nonsense really Each to their own mate, but it's not nonsense. I think we'll potentially be more than capable of at least a play off spot, and it we can play more exciting football at same time then that's pretty exciting I reckon. I’ll be back to remind you when we’re averaging 2.5 goals a game and sitting in 10th. |
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Post by flevans on Jul 23, 2022 12:00:47 GMT 1
Each to their own mate, but it's not nonsense. I think we'll potentially be more than capable of at least a play off spot, and it we can play more exciting football at same time then that's pretty exciting I reckon. I’ll be back to remind you when we’re averaging 2.5 goals a game and sitting in 10th. That's the spirit |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2022 12:16:28 GMT 1
I’ll be back to remind you when we’re averaging 2.5 goals a game and sitting in 10th. That's the spirit I actually think we’ll be top six but with a very pragmatic approach |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 23, 2022 12:22:21 GMT 1
Each to their own mate, but it's not nonsense. I think we'll potentially be more than capable of at least a play off spot, and it we can play more exciting football at same time then that's pretty exciting I reckon. I’ll be back to remind you when we’re averaging 2.5 goals a game and sitting in 10th. Even the free scoring Fulham didn’t average 2.5 goals a game. I note that the 3 highest goal scoring clubs from last season all got promoted to the premier league. Those 3 also conceded the least amount of goals in the championship. Why do people always think that free flowing football means you score lots but concede so many that you can’t get promoted? |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2022 12:32:32 GMT 1
I’ll be back to remind you when we’re averaging 2.5 goals a game and sitting in 10th. Even the free scoring Fulham didn’t average 2.5 goals a game. I note that the 3 highest goal scoring clubs from last season all got promoted to the premier league. Those 3 also conceded the least amount of goals in the championship. Why do people always think that free flowing football means you score lots but concede so many that you can’t get promoted? I don’t think we’re anywhere near good enough to play free flowing football and keep clean sheets. Fulham and Bournemouth were significantly better than us in my eyes and could do as you say. It’s not impossible but for me you need the best players which I don’t think we have. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 23, 2022 12:48:45 GMT 1
Even the free scoring Fulham didn’t average 2.5 goals a game. I note that the 3 highest goal scoring clubs from last season all got promoted to the premier league. Those 3 also conceded the least amount of goals in the championship. Why do people always think that free flowing football means you score lots but concede so many that you can’t get promoted? I don’t think we’re anywhere near good enough to play free flowing football and keep clean sheets. Fulham and Bournemouth were significantly better than us in my eyes and could do as you say. It’s not impossible but for me you need the best players which I don’t think we have. The difference is all those clubs had a free scoring striker. I agree that we don’t have the best players because we need a proper striker to put that together and Ward is not it. 14 goals does not make a free scoring striker, as much as people think he was good, we won’t go up with him. As far as the midfield goes, they could easily be the surprise packet of the championship, much like Forrest was with their young players. Our defence is solid, the back 5 can do the job. It’s a new season, anything is possible. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2022 15:20:14 GMT 1
I don’t think we’re anywhere near good enough to play free flowing football and keep clean sheets. Fulham and Bournemouth were significantly better than us in my eyes and could do as you say. It’s not impossible but for me you need the best players which I don’t think we have. The difference is all those clubs had a free scoring striker. I agree that we don’t have the best players because we need a proper striker to put that together and Ward is not it. 14 goals does not make a free scoring striker, as much as people think he was good, we won’t go up with him. As far as the midfield goes, they could easily be the surprise packet of the championship, much like Forrest was with their young players. Our defence is solid, the back 5 can do the job. It’s a new season, anything is possible. Yeah. Obvs a mitrovic or the likes would make a huge difference. But apart from Nicholls I’m not sure a single player of ours gets a start for Bournemouth or Fulham last season. Imho |
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Post by Macduff on Jul 25, 2022 8:34:09 GMT 1
But if you can create a team greater than the sum of its parts having an individual star becomes less important.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 25, 2022 9:59:19 GMT 1
The difference is all those clubs had a free scoring striker. I agree that we don’t have the best players because we need a proper striker to put that together and Ward is not it. 14 goals does not make a free scoring striker, as much as people think he was good, we won’t go up with him. As far as the midfield goes, they could easily be the surprise packet of the championship, much like Forrest was with their young players. Our defence is solid, the back 5 can do the job. It’s a new season, anything is possible. Yeah. Obvs a mitrovic or the likes would make a huge difference. But apart from Nicholls I’m not sure a single player of ours gets a start for Bournemouth or Fulham last season. Imho over-achieved last season. When you look at the players we have (away from the obvious town perspective) Carlos did amazing to get us into the playoffs. The thing we were missing, and have been for a while is a proper striker at this level. Ellis Simms might be the answer. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jul 26, 2022 7:39:59 GMT 1
So 11 out and 5 in.
Strange that none of the new 5 players have really appeared in pre-season, well they have but playing for the other 1st team. I think the chances of us getting off to a good start are slim. The short pre-season (I get it - the playoffs) won't help us at all.
Will any of the O'Brien or toffs money be spent ?
Who knows but we have showed a severe lack of ambition so far.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 26, 2022 8:12:02 GMT 1
So 11 out and 5 in. Strange that none of the new 5 players have really appeared in pre-season, well they have but playing for the other 1st team. I think the chances of us getting off to a good start are slim. The short pre-season (I get it - the playoffs) won't help us at all. Will any of the O'Brien or toffs money be spent ? Who knows but we have showed a severe lack of ambition so far. underwhelmed terror. I'm somewhat underwhelmed and frustrated (and put a small bet on relegation at 12-1 🤣), but you're messing with the figures. We have six in, for a start, whilst REG is also back. Yeah, someone has said he's League One at best, but a lot of back-ups in the Champ will be that level, whilst he did well in a promoted team, so is more likely at least League One standard. Camara, Grant, Jackson, Diarra..... Appreciate this is 'hope', but maybe one or more of the younger lads are going to be this season's Sorba. Then there's the fact that a few of the eleven that left played little or no part last season. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 26, 2022 18:14:10 GMT 1
So 11 out and 5 in. Strange that none of the new 5 players have really appeared in pre-season, well they have but playing for the other 1st team. I think the chances of us getting off to a good start are slim. The short pre-season (I get it - the playoffs) won't help us at all. Will any of the O'Brien or toffs money be spent ? Who knows but we have showed a severe lack of ambition so far. underwhelmed terror. I think a ‘severe lack of ambition’ is overstating things somewhat. The signings of Nakayama, Anjorin, Kasumu and Rudoni are progressive signings that show ambition to my mind. They might not be commanding huge fees but they’re not bad signings indicative of “a severe lack of ambition”. |
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Post by Benhamer1 on Jul 26, 2022 18:24:49 GMT 1
So 11 out and 5 in. Strange that none of the new 5 players have really appeared in pre-season, well they have but playing for the other 1st team. I think the chances of us getting off to a good start are slim. The short pre-season (I get it - the playoffs) won't help us at all. Will any of the O'Brien or toffs money be spent ? Who knows but we have showed a severe lack of ambition so far. underwhelmed terror. I think a ‘severe lack of ambition’ is overstating things somewhat. The signings of Nakayama, Anjorin, Kasamu and Rudoni are progressive signings that show ambition to my mind. They might not be commanding huge fees but they’re not bad signings indicative of “a severe lack of ambition”. You have to spend 100m and be in 200m pounds worth of debt to show ambition with this fanbase |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 26, 2022 18:52:26 GMT 1
So 11 out and 5 in. Strange that none of the new 5 players have really appeared in pre-season, well they have but playing for the other 1st team. I think the chances of us getting off to a good start are slim. The short pre-season (I get it - the playoffs) won't help us at all. Will any of the O'Brien or toffs money be spent ? Who knows but we have showed a severe lack of ambition so far. underwhelmed terror. Of the 11 out, 5 played very little part in our season Blackman, Campbell, Anjorin, Eiting, Vallejo and we'll probably get as much out of the youngsters that end up in and around the first team. Throw in another loan player before the end of the window and bingo! 6 good lads out and 6 decent looking replacements in - all at a cracking profit for the club. Now that's great business. |
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