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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 30, 2022 10:59:55 GMT 1
You can't compare like that. The best managers tend to not have had a career of note. Mourinho for instance. I'm definitely not comparing him, but that logic of who hes played for is bollocks. They should respect the man in charge regardless and certainly one that played here for 10 years Mourinho started his managerial career as Barcelona assistant working with Sir Bobby Robson and Van Gaal,so you definitely can't compare them Can't believe them big names there listened to him, as he didn't have a career...... I get what you're saying but its absolutely silly. Especially this day and age, back in the 80s and 90s it was like that. Best coaches are now developed and don't all have a playing background. They've put the effort in getting their badges,exceeding, so professionals should be just that. I'm sure they all are tbh, its a thing of the past that now |
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Post by yorkie69 on Jul 30, 2022 11:05:20 GMT 1
Last season we got well beaten by two of the teams that had come down the season before and we’re played off the park in them games too. Fulham and Bournemouth hammered us at home last year and played us off the park. We have to wait and see how we perform up against the teams that are in similar positions to ourselves as it is obvious the parachute payment teams will nearly always have better quality players than those without and this clearly shows. Judging after one game against a team with one player worth more than our squad is madness and counter productive. Have we learned nothing after last year? Next week should give an indication of where we really are.
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Post by digs on Jul 30, 2022 11:07:08 GMT 1
Mourinho started his managerial career as Barcelona assistant working with Sir Bobby Robson and Van Gaal,so you definitely can't compare them Can't believe them big names there listened to him, as he didn't have a career...... I get what you're saying but its absolutely silly. Especially this day and age, back in the 80s and 90s it was like that. Best coaches are now developed and don't all have a playing background. They've put the effort in getting their badges,exceeding, so professionals should be just that. I'm sure they all are tbh, its a thing of the past that now Let's just hope it was a bad day at the office for Danny,I hope he does well he's a good lad and deserves a chance,a lot of pressure on him but more on Dean Hoyle,its either going to be great appointment or you've tried to do it on the cheap with no ambition for him,will see how it plays out |
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 30, 2022 11:09:24 GMT 1
I won't name names but I was talking to a player on Wednesday for about 10 mins. I asked him what DS was like and I quote "I really like the guy but I wish he was harder on us, a bit more aggressive" I might be reading too much into that comment and maybe that is just Schofields way of doing things, but if players are noticing him being too nice - are they taking anything he says onboard. Early days but just my opinion, I think DH appointed the wrong guy, Narcis would have been my choice. To be fair, DS won't have a clue what to be like. He's probably being himself. He's learning as he's going, so he will develop some strictness over time. He won't know how to be yet, won't want to ruin things by going in tough straight away maybe. You see in daily life and coaching, promote someone and they have a power trip, become a different person. It'll come with time and I suppose its better than straight away. He would lose the dressing room All fair points mate, but I'm one of those that believes that a manager/coach isn't there to be your mate. I kinda got that feeling from this player. As a side note he completely agreed with me that the white training gear with yellow trim looks very L**ds  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 30, 2022 11:10:18 GMT 1
We lost 1-0 in the first game of a 46 game season.
Is it any wonder people get pissed off with social media and the need for instant gratification and success?
Ten games in is where you can start to gauge things. If we lose the first 8 games then fair do’s, but FFS we’ve played 90 minutes…
It was a poor first half last night, but booing them off at HT was piss poor from those that did that.
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 30, 2022 11:10:28 GMT 1
Can't believe them big names there listened to him, as he didn't have a career...... I get what you're saying but its absolutely silly. Especially this day and age, back in the 80s and 90s it was like that. Best coaches are now developed and don't all have a playing background. They've put the effort in getting their badges,exceeding, so professionals should be just that. I'm sure they all are tbh, its a thing of the past that now Let's just hope it was a bad day at the office for Danny,I hope he does well he's a good lad and deserves a chance,a lot of pressure on him but more on Dean Hoyle,its either going to be great appointment or you've tried to do it on the cheap with no ambition for him,will see how it plays out At what point does it become a worry for Dean? No win in....5....10? |
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Post by digs on Jul 30, 2022 11:17:34 GMT 1
Let's just hope it was a bad day at the office for Danny,I hope he does well he's a good lad and deserves a chance,a lot of pressure on him but more on Dean Hoyle,its either going to be great appointment or you've tried to do it on the cheap with no ambition for him,will see how it plays out At what point does it become a worry for Dean? No win in....5....10? I bet its before that |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 30, 2022 11:18:28 GMT 1
Insipid first half, better in thec second when Angorin came on, still did nowhere near enpough to draw let alone win the game, toothless in the final third, Tom Lees was his usual dependable self but thats about it, even though its only the first game schofield will hopefully have learned from this, lesson being just start with your strongest (if fit) eleven.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 30, 2022 11:25:50 GMT 1
Last season we got well beaten by two of the teams that had come down the season before and we’re played off the park in them games too. Fulham and Bournemouth hammered us at home last year and played us off the park. We have to wait and see how we perform up against the teams that are in similar positions to ourselves as it is obvious the parachute payment teams will nearly always have better quality players than those without and this clearly shows. Judging after one game against a team with one player worth more than our squad is madness and counter productive. Have we learned nothing after last year? Next week should give an indication of where we really are. Is that basically saying we now have to accept being also rans?! Thats not a dig.....but burnley had 6 debutants last night! They looked sharper, quicker, technically better, had a clear identity and pattern - with a new mgr. We simply didnt. Yes its only 1 game but lets not window dress it - we were dreadful. We go again next week...... |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 30, 2022 11:27:58 GMT 1
We need to be far better all over the pitch against Birmingham, another performance like last night & DH will seriously need to consider pulling the plug on his experiment. We looked a shambles, unfit, unmotivated & tactically a million miles away from Burnley.
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Post by H7 on Jul 30, 2022 11:29:50 GMT 1
We lost 1-0 in the first game of a 46 game season. Is it any wonder people get pissed off with social media and the need for instant gratification and success? Ten games in is where you can start to gauge things. If we lose the first 8 games then fair do’s, but FFS we’ve played 90 minutes… It was a poor first half last night, but booing them off at HT was piss poor from those that did that. I admire your attempt to downplay the situation however we were 1 game away from the premier league 2 months ago and we have subsequently started this season with several bench/squad players from last term in starting roles having cashed in on all the crown jewels and also lost our very talented head coach who was a major, major reason we were so effective last year. We got an absolute pasting last night live on Sky Sports from a team of strangers that had never played together before, it was an embarrassing display with a team devoid of quality, fitness and ideas. The only positive I can muster is that Tino looked very bright when he came on and Rudoni was also lively. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 30, 2022 11:35:44 GMT 1
Last season we got well beaten by two of the teams that had come down the season before and we’re played off the park in them games too. Fulham and Bournemouth hammered us at home last year and played us off the park. We have to wait and see how we perform up against the teams that are in similar positions to ourselves as it is obvious the parachute payment teams will nearly always have better quality players than those without and this clearly shows. Judging after one game against a team with one player worth more than our squad is madness and counter productive. Have we learned nothing after last year? Apparently Not! Next week should give an indication of where we really are. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 30, 2022 11:37:41 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Obviously harsh scores, but if we're going that way Hogg should be way lower. Constantly mugged off in 50:50s and hopeless in possession. Nicholls wasn't great either. Ignoring the subs, thought only the CBs played ok. |
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Post by digs on Jul 30, 2022 11:44:06 GMT 1
Last season we got well beaten by two of the teams that had come down the season before and we’re played off the park in them games too. Fulham and Bournemouth hammered us at home last year and played us off the park. We have to wait and see how we perform up against the teams that are in similar positions to ourselves as it is obvious the parachute payment teams will nearly always have better quality players than those without and this clearly shows. Judging after one game against a team with one player worth more than our squad is madness and counter productive. Have we learned nothing after last year? Next week should give an indication of where we really are. Is that basically saying we now have to accept being also rans?! Thats not a dig.....but burnley had 6 debutants last night! They looked sharper, quicker, technically better, had a clear identity and pattern - with a new mgr. We simply didnt. Yes its only 1 game but lets not window dress it - we were dreadful. We go again next week...... Town seem to think that a new signing has to sit on the bench before he can go on the pitch,I don't know why Anjorin didn't start,he was the liveliest player we had,starting the game with the same players as last season but with our two best players missing was poor. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 30, 2022 11:49:18 GMT 1
We lost 1-0 in the first game of a 46 game season. Is it any wonder people get pissed off with social media and the need for instant gratification and success? Ten games in is where you can start to gauge things. If we lose the first 8 games then fair do’s, but FFS we’ve played 90 minutes… It was a poor first half last night, but booing them off at HT was piss poor from those that did that. It was the manner of the defeat. We were not prepared and unfit, we could not pass the ball and did not know how to press as a team. Booing players does not help but we were pathetic. Burnley were a new team with a new coach and they looked to have sorted themselves out why couldn't we. It is too late to start worrying after 8 games, we have to look at the setup now because we were worse last night than we were against Fulham. |
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Post by H7 on Jul 30, 2022 11:52:23 GMT 1
We lost 1-0 in the first game of a 46 game season. Is it any wonder people get pissed off with social media and the need for instant gratification and success? Ten games in is where you can start to gauge things. If we lose the first 8 games then fair do’s, but FFS we’ve played 90 minutes… It was a poor first half last night, but booing them off at HT was piss poor from those that did that. It was the manner of the defeat. We were not prepared and unfit, we could not pass the ball and did not know how to press as a team. Booing players does not help but we were pathetic. Burnley were a new team with a new coach and they looked to have sorted themselves out why couldn't we. It is too late to start worrying after 8 games, we have to look at the setup now because we were worse last night than we were against Fulham. Key point here being that we had LOB, Toff & Nicholls to come back in after missing the Fulham game. Don't have that luxury this season! |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Jul 30, 2022 11:56:33 GMT 1
We need to be far better all over the pitch against Birmingham, another performance like last night & DH will seriously need to consider pulling the plug on his experiment. We looked a shambles, unfit, unmotivated & tactically a million miles away from Burnley. Agree with that, why were they fitter than us and why did they seem to want it more ? I know nowadays they have stats for everything so it would be interesting to see the mileage covered by both teams, it certainly appeared that Burnley worked a lot harder than we did. No panic yet though, still 45 games to go but I hope DS is a quick learner, 3 or 4 of last nights starting 11 should not be starting at B'ham. UTT |
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Post by ram on Jul 30, 2022 11:58:52 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 30, 2022 12:22:48 GMT 1
Nicholls 7 - looked like he cared still class Turton 4 - still don’t overly rate him but thomas killed him REG 6 - worried about his pace but can’t fault the lad chucked in the deep end tried hard. Lees 6 - solid won his headers carried ruffles Ruffles 1 - Jason Davidson level bad Thomas 1- lost the ball about 30 times set pieces awful didn’t track back if he think he’s getting a move based on that then just wow Hogg 6- never stops trying although looked very leggy Russell - 3 blowing after 15 still a decent footballer but needs legs next to him Koroma - 0.5 less said the better Ward 1 - scared didn’t want the ball standard Danny ward under the spotlight. Anjorin 7 - showed desire and a will shame about his teammates Rudoni 6 - hard coming into such a one sided game Kasumu 5 - love the way he got about but no wonder he’s always injured if he flies into tackles like that all the time. Overall a shambles DS stood with hands in pockets shell shocked the whole first half. I worry about him but onto Brum we go it can only get better. Obviously harsh scores, but if we're going that way Hogg should be way lower. Constantly mugged off in 50:50s and hopeless in possession. Nicholls wasn't great either. Ignoring the subs, thought only the CBs played ok. Holmes not even given a mark? Probably right. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 30, 2022 12:22:59 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed. Well he was hardly going to be happy |
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Post by harris on Jul 30, 2022 12:23:45 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed. Don’t quite know what else he expected after a summer of asset stripping |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 12:36:09 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed. Don’t quite know what else he expected after a summer of asset stripping Exactly this he’s an absolute joke and making the club one too what was he expecting with his shoestring budget? |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 30, 2022 12:36:25 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed. Don’t quite know what else he expected after a summer of asset stripping Asset stripping? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 30, 2022 12:36:39 GMT 1
We carry Sorba, everyone else has to commit.
There has to be an attacking threat or you just hand all the initiative to the opposition.
The first look HAS to be forward, we lost the ball time after time by looking backwards or carrying it backwards or sideways.
However its done there has to be some pace brought into the team, we are undoubtedly the slowest team.
We must retain possession more in midfield, too often it bounces off or we are muscled out of it.
Holmes and Koroma cannot physically compete in this division and neither are talented enough to join Sorba in the luxury list.
The fitness from half time was ok but the idea of pressing in the first half of one or two running about like mad men and never getting close does eventually just piss off those chasing around.
Burnley chose much better when to press in numbers and did it better and with more commitment and numbers.
Lots to learn again but its time up for Holmes and Koroma because we simply cannot afford them.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 30, 2022 12:44:08 GMT 1
Lose the first set of games {7 or 8} and the players lose confidence and continue to lose.Sky cameras picked out Hoyle after Burnley scored.He didn,t look impressed. Well he was hardly going to be happy imagine bigging up the behind the scenes lads who cost an arm and a leg to fund and who are apparently premier league stuff, only to have to watch that tripe last night where we were absolutely outclassed by a team who had no right to outclass us after losing most of their star players over the summer. |
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Post by griffa on Jul 30, 2022 12:53:32 GMT 1
Dreadful performance, we got what we deserved. First half we defended with a high line, Burnley we far too good for us, playing the ball, into space beyond our defence. Too many Town players, flat footed, chasing shadows. Looks like it's going to be a long season - UTT.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 30, 2022 13:01:56 GMT 1
Yeah but can he play centre mid? Don’t get me wrong if high wasn’t at Rotherham he’d be in front of Holmes. We need someone in midfield that can at least run. He's a similar player but he's far more creative, looks bloody good and has a good touch and shot on him tbh. We would need at least one forward thinking player in midfield alongside Hogg and Russell, otherwise its stagnant and creativity would be absolutely nil 😅 This is a major concern for me, there was no link between defence & midfield last night, it seemed more like 7 defenders & 3 attackers. How we replace Toff/LOB bringing the ball out of defence is very worrying. We also can't afford to hoof it up front either as noone ever gets near enough Ward anyway. I'm guessing the staff thought us playing right up to play off final would keep us fit, so not much work needed in this area needed.... if so, they were wrong. While the lack of fitness was worrying, the complete inability to make a forward pass to a team mate was more worrying. I really want Danny to succeed but already questions are being raised about is he too nice? It must be hard coming from a role where, & I'm totally guessing here, I suppose he might have been a bit of a buffer between Carlos & the players to being the main man. We certainly shouldn't be panicking but we do have to re-think how we are going to play. I'm certain we cannot afford to be so negative & passive again, we started that game giving Burnley way too much respect & it just looked like we believed the only way we could score is a set piece. On that note, I hate us carrying on from last year by having noone up on the half way line when we defend set pieces - Sorba is ideal for this as he's not going to compete in our penalty area anyway. & what was the thinking behind Yuta taking our set piece from the left near the end? I saw on his highlight reel him firing in a beautiful strike into the top corner but I also watched him head in several set pieces - when we have the division's best set piece taker in the team, surely another target in the box can't do us any harm? |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 30, 2022 13:02:45 GMT 1
We lost 1-0 in the first game of a 46 game season. Is it any wonder people get pissed off with social media and the need for instant gratification and success? Ten games in is where you can start to gauge things. If we lose the first 8 games then fair do’s, but FFS we’ve played 90 minutes… It was a poor first half last night, but booing them off at HT was piss poor from those that did that. It was the manner of the defeat. We were not prepared and unfit, we could not pass the ball and did not know how to press as a team. Booing players does not help but we were pathetic. Burnley were a new team with a new coach and they looked to have sorted themselves out why couldn't we. It is too late to start worrying after 8 games, we have to look at the setup now because we were worse last night than we were against Fulham. Forest did ok after a shit first 8 games last season…. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 13:22:58 GMT 1
It was the manner of the defeat. We were not prepared and unfit, we could not pass the ball and did not know how to press as a team. Booing players does not help but we were pathetic. Burnley were a new team with a new coach and they looked to have sorted themselves out why couldn't we. It is too late to start worrying after 8 games, we have to look at the setup now because we were worse last night than we were against Fulham. Forest did ok after a shit first 8 games last season…. They also appointed a manager who had managed a club before not a ‘B’ team |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 13:25:14 GMT 1
The reactions after game 1 of the season against what looked a very good team are a joke, is it Posisble we could give it at least a few weeks before booing and complaining about everything.
Last night I agree we were poor with what looked like weak links in the team
REG - I just don’t believe he is good enough no confidence with him in the team, pretty sure Tom Lees would not be too happy playing because to him.
Ruffles - again doesn’t look good enough to start every week in the championship.
Koroma - I think we should get rid if at all possible he can’t do it any longer injuries have set him back too much.
Holmes - first touch was awful last night, good squad player but not to start.
Russell - he has the ability but he is too slow to react and wants too much time against a good side, against other teams he may look a world beater but last night Hogg was alone.
However as a positive from the above I think if everyone if fully fit and available then maybe only Russell starts, LB will be Juta, CB would have been Pearson (I think we will sign someone in next week or two now on loan), RW will be Rodoni or Mahoney, CAM will be Tino who last night was our best player when he came on.
We have to be careful with the new players as they are not fully upto speed and we didn’t want to use any of them for long, Kasumus injured is down to not being fully match fit and prepared for the season.
I for one am still positive that we will win more games than we lose this season, that might change by the end of August but let’s hope not.
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