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Post by yappledapple on Aug 9, 2022 23:22:31 GMT 1
Camara's performance tonight was the only plus. I would like to see him starting infront of Russell. Far more mobile, better on the ball and more involved in Town's build up play. The only other plus for Town was their number 2 getting injured on halftime. Had he stayed on, it could have got really ugly. Yes, their wingback Fernandez; he hugged the touch line all first half and continually had so much space and time. All three first half goals came from his work and drive. As they played with five at the back, it was obvious that someone needed to get tighter to him, Spencer or Mahoney, to stop the continual out ball. If we could all see it, why couldn’t instruction be given from the dugout to prevent it. And yes, it was good that he went off, but hope his injury wasn’t too serious. As for Danny Grant not getting any minutes in the dead rubber second half; baffling! |
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Post by woodyhudds on Aug 9, 2022 23:26:44 GMT 1
Just got back and bloody hell that was atrocious. It’s a long long time since I have seen us so comprehensively outplayed and such a lack of motivation. Schofield isn’t doing himself any favours with the team selection or the way he is trying to play. We have six players stood around our box (as we have two holding midfielders) and then four stood on the halfway line. There is no link at all between defence and attack. It must be something Schofield wants otherwise why isn’t he telling Koroma, Holmes and Mahoney to try and get the ball? Of those who came into the team. Boyle - solid league 1 centre back. Has clear limitations. Spencer - at fault for letting crosses in and not the best going forwards. Not ready. Nakayama - average. Might look better with better players around him. Camara - a bit too slow on the ball and too many back and sideways passes. Not ready for this level. Mahoney - didn’t notice he was on the pitch until he took some reasonable corners late on. Didn’t beat a man, play any incisive passes or crosses. No idea what he offers. At least Rudoni looks a reasonable player. He need to be next to Hogg instead of Russell on Saturday. Pretty much sums up my feelings. Holmes has been dire but playing him as a second striker was a joke tactically, play two strikers - I've no clue what Danny is attempting to do. Russell, Holmes and Koroma should be put in the Z team until they show some desire, it is a joke that we have to play someone with Russell because his Engine is the worst I have seen in a footballer. Rudoni and Hogg as the midfield two is our only real option at the moment. We need a whole central midfield signing. The only other option is put Juta as the third centre half Hogg role as he at least has some spirit but that will be trained out of him and hell be passing backwards soon before we know it! Boyle is soooooo limited and is a dire signing. We need a mobile centre half. Not playing Grant or Jackson earlier was criminal. Thomas believes his own hype I'm afraid too and it made no sense to bring him on, his crosses are dire but his usual targets have all been allowed to leave. Never thought I'd miss Sarr but at least he gave us some sort of threat! I purposely sat near the dugout today and the players simply don't listen and also have no idea what we are trying to do. The squad needs a huge rollicking and a demand on them to perform, I really feel for Danny but he is simply not that man and the backroom staff he has been given is a disgrace. Has the new coach actually started? Clements seemed to be running it in parts of the second half. Bromby is totally passionless too, we are devoid of any character. |
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Post by willo on Aug 9, 2022 23:28:05 GMT 1
Haven’t been tonight as we’re away on holiday but reading this, it seems there’s been no improvement - actually sounds like we’re going backwards from the Burnley game if that’s possible - and things need to change. Said as soon as Danny was appointed, cheap option, no 2 ways about it, and it isn’t working. Do we want to stay in this league cos from where I am, the hierarchy don’t really seem to mind one way or another so long as it doesn’t mean spending any money. Two ways to go now; 1) admit you got it wrong, demote DS back to a coaching role with immediate affect before any long term damage is done to him and get a “proper” manager in, someone with experience of managing at this level and at least give ourselves a decent chance. 2) continue along the same path through sheer stubbornness until such time as it gets too late or we are faced with another battle to stay up similar to the season when the Cowley’s were brought in. It may take DS to make the decision which if doesn’t happen before, will surely happen if we get pumped on Saturday. There can’t be any out there tonight who don’t have serious reservations about the course we’re on presently.
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Post by stevvy on Aug 9, 2022 23:30:47 GMT 1
To have literally 0 shots of ANY description before we scored after 67mins at home to Preston is fucking criminal.
They should be paying us to watch them, not us paying to watch them.
So far we've played 3 games, and we've sort of half played ok-ish for a few minutes here and there. Right now there's only 1 way we're getting out of this league any time soon, and it sure as fuck isn't by getting promotion.
Fucking shite, fucking embarrassing, fucking fuming.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 9, 2022 23:32:04 GMT 1
One of the worse performances I have seen in 30 years.
Only positive was Camara - he kept looking for the ball and tried to make things happen. Well done to the kid in hard circumstances
Also Spencer tried hard but not yet ready for this level
As for the rest. They should refund the fans as they were an utter disgrace and a bunch of wage thieves
Finally, if I was Schofield I would quit tomorrow to save my reputation. He was zero hope of succeeding here at this time. The senior player are acting like they have a monk on. DS keeps asking them to do basics like win their headers or be first to second balls and they aren't even trying to do the basics. They are a disgrace and will get a good man like Schofield the sack. Shameless. Secondly DS has not been given a competitive squad by Hoyle - this is easily the worse squad we've had at this level since promotion in 2012 - and if Bromby thinks Boyle can play at this level he's lost the plot.
What a complete waste of an evening watching that shite - I even heard one of the ballboys saying to his mates in the stand why are you here? The ballboy then said to his mates I'm only here because I have to be - and the lad was right as well and at least he didn't pay for the privilege!
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Post by harris on Aug 9, 2022 23:35:27 GMT 1
One of the worse performances I have seen in 30 years. Only positive was Camara - he kept looking for the ball and tried to make things happen. Well done to the kid in hard circumstances Also Spencer tried hard but not yet ready for this level As for the rest. They should refund the fans as they were an utter disgrace and a bunch of wage thieves Finally, if I was Schofield I would quit tomorrow to save my reputation. The senior player are acting like they have a monk on. DS keeps asking them to do basics like win their headers or be first to second balls and they aren't even trying to do the basics. They are a disgrace and will get a good man like Schofield the sack. Shameless. Secondly DS has not been given a competitive squad by Hoyle and if Bromby thinks Boyle can play at this level he's lost the plot. Why we didn’t keep Naby Sarr is baffling, but I suppose we probably saved a couple of k wages by getting Boyle instead so we should be fine with that. Fucking sucks to be a town fan right now and it ain’t going to get better any time soon |
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Post by terrierforever on Aug 9, 2022 23:36:40 GMT 1
He looks like a broken man already. I think even he knows that he is out of his depth and has no answers. Don’t wanna be that guy, but why does the interviewer laugh during every question? Because he doesn't properly care about the club its a job to him and it doesn't really matter whether we win or lose he gets his pay cheque. Been the same for years behind the scenes poor recruitment on and off the pitch sadly. |
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Post by terrierforever on Aug 9, 2022 23:39:13 GMT 1
The performance tonight was shocking, the season start has been abysmal and whilst I have sympathy for Danny because he has been chucked under a Hoyle size bus. What do we practice in training as our midfield was so soft it disintegrated live in front of those that were there.
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Post by harris on Aug 9, 2022 23:41:30 GMT 1
Don’t wanna be that guy, but why does the interviewer laugh during every question? Because he doesn't properly care about the club its a job to him and it doesn't really matter whether we win or lose he gets his pay cheque. Been the same for years behind the scenes poor recruitment on and off the pitch sadly. Think we’ve had some goodens on the media team over the last few years tbf. But this lad needs to read the room and not piss himself laughing asking questions about ‘what’s going wrong’ in front of the gaffer |
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Post by oldrain on Aug 9, 2022 23:42:41 GMT 1
Back to hit and hope football no pattern of play players don’t look bothered time to go
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Post by terrierforever on Aug 9, 2022 23:43:28 GMT 1
Because he doesn't properly care about the club its a job to him and it doesn't really matter whether we win or lose he gets his pay cheque. Been the same for years behind the scenes poor recruitment on and off the pitch sadly. Think we’ve had some goodens on the media team over the last few years tbf. But this lad needs to read the room and not piss himself laughing asking questions about ‘what’s going wrong’ in front of the gaffer By all means not all bad, but it just has annoyed me how he laughs after a 4-1 defeat. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 9, 2022 23:50:33 GMT 1
Not a good evening of football and hard to see where a draw is coming from far less a win - could be a Carlos season No.1 but I’m staying calm for the minute...
Could be a stick or twist situation facing Dean... Does he give Danny money - anything - before the transfer window slams shut or just ‘hope’ he can turn it around...
Anyone know if Danny Scholfield is under contract as Town manager and if so for how long ?
With Corberan walking out and Scholfield being appointed so quickly I can’t just quite remember !
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2022 23:53:11 GMT 1
Until I read on here that Holmes was playing as a second striker I had no idea.
The amount of time we were in possession and he was 25 yards behind Jordan or mooching back in our half convinced me he was playing some sort of central midfield role, badly.
If you start with 2 lacking the commitment required against anybody in this division its likely to go quite badly.
Koroma looked distinctly uninterested
and desperately wants to offload the ball instead of taking it on.
Again other than Jordan the work rate wasnt there. If you dont compete properly here you can get run over, we did for most of tonight.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 9, 2022 23:53:24 GMT 1
He looks like a broken man already. I think even he knows that he is out of his depth and has no answers. A word salad of meaningless clichés. You could have a bingo card going and cross off the expected answers as they emerge. |
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 10, 2022 0:27:51 GMT 1
For the sake of this forum, hope the chat between members is sensible, demolarising as this game is, we all on the same side or wouldn't be commenting on this forum Like pulling teeth? Love a trip to my tooth doctor, she is a Bramah as delboy would say!! |
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Post by impact on Aug 10, 2022 0:46:32 GMT 1
The most worrying thing for me is Nicholls. 2 goals in 2 games he should be stopping. Without him performing exceptionally last year we'd have been nowhere near where we finished, and with a worse squad him performing below his level is a recipe for disaster.
All 3 of the first half goals came down our right where its abundantly obvious Spencer isn't ready. But tonight would have been a great learning step for him.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 10, 2022 1:10:15 GMT 1
The most worrying thing for me is Nicholls. 2 goals in 2 games he should be stopping. Without him performing exceptionally last year we'd have been nowhere near where we finished, and with a worse squad him performing below his level is a recipe for disaster. All 3 of the first half goals came down our right where its abundantly obvious Spencer isn't ready. But tonight would have been a great learning step for him. Cant stop crosses when double or even treble teamed, no matter how long you have been playing the game. |
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Post by trailingleg on Aug 10, 2022 2:17:21 GMT 1
I want to ask is there anyone on this site who can shed any light on what Danny’s tactics are ? I have watched all 3 games carefully and I have no idea what he is trying to achieve. We don’t press, we don’t try and hit on the break, we don’t use width, what is it we’re trying to do ? Anyone ? Defensively we are utterly shambolic - any cross into the box just gets stroked in with barely a challenge. Boyle was abysmal tonight - who decided he was better than Sarr ? Lees looks lost without Pearson. Two home games and in both we have given the left backs the freedom of the park- with no attempt from Schofield to change things - no lessons learnt. This really does not bode well. I reckon we will be bottom after 8 games and then bring in a new manager and this time (unlike the Cowleys and some great loan signings) it will be too late as I have no confidence that Hoyle intends to spend a penny until he gets his money back. It’s so depressing. There was only one positive tonight - I thought Etienne Camara had a promising start and totally outshone Russell who continues to stroll around looking lost. Obviously Anjorin is a lone shining light but on his own it’s not enough. Finally why no minutes for Danny Grant or Pat Jones ? We were desperate for some pace and creativity and yet he brings on full backs and centre backs when we’re getting stuffed. Absolutely clueless. Hoyle should hang his head in shame for putting Danny in this position as he’s very clearly not ready for management. We’re doomed, doomed I tell you…….. Totally agree with this. The team starts as if they haven’t a clue what they’re supposed to do except make it up as they go along. No-one takes responsibility for injecting any positivity or purpose into our attacking approach (with the exception of Rhodes who was my MOM by a country mile) closely followed by Camara, who showed a maturity and positional sense way beyond his experience and years. I’d play him every time ahead of the indolent looking Russell. Nakayama was steady away and Anjorin looks his usual barnstorming flattering to deceive self. The centre back pairing was flimsy at best with Tom Lees having something of a nightmare match by his own standards. Rudoni looks as if he could develop into a serious talent once he finds his feet at this level, but there is a lack of synergy in the team effort. Where is the press? Where is heart and desire to outfight your opponent? We have to regain that ‘never say die’ approach epitomised by O’Brien, even with technically inferior players. That is always the Town way, surely. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 10, 2022 5:26:36 GMT 1
Jordan worked his arse off and 2 great finishes. We gave him some support at 60 minutes, up to then he was very much on his own. Brodie Spencer did fine, looks physically able to cope now, so one for the near future there. We started with 9 men and it cost us in the gap between the front and the middle and back. The backwards look everytime we get it, costs us everytime. Preston are same division and can leave men wide and up the pitch whereas we dont or cant and we are constantly chasing and miles from the ball. The opposition walk off their marker and collect balls into feet unhindered and the wide players have time to control the ball and move forward everytime. We didnt support the ball till too late in the game and the impression for 90% of it was that they had at least 2 more players than us. Boyle might need more time, I think Im being optimistic. Russell looked slower than against Burnley. First things first on Saturday, we have to commit fully to match or better the stoke workrate, the rest will never follow until we do and we cant start with 9 again. Which one of Holmes and Koroma played themselves into a shirt for Saturday ? |
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Post by golcarexile on Aug 10, 2022 5:58:58 GMT 1
It's sad. Football is a simple game. Press as a team, be well-organized and use the ball intelligently when you have it. All things which Fulham, a team we beat comfortably on their own patch a few short months ago, did brilliantly in drawing with one of the best teams in the world at the weekend. Once the heads go down, you're up against it. I can't see us turning it around against Chadders' lot. Another hiding may be on the cards.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 10, 2022 6:18:09 GMT 1
It's sad. Football is a simple game. Press as a team, be well-organized and use the ball intelligently when you have it. All things which Fulham, a team we beat comfortably on their own patch a few short months ago, did brilliantly in drawing with one of the best teams in the world at the weekend. Once the heads go down, you're up against it. I can't see us turning it around against Chadders' lot. Another hiding may be on the cards. The crowd are going to go berserk on Saturday if performances continue as they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 7:00:02 GMT 1
It's sad. Football is a simple game. Press as a team, be well-organized and use the ball intelligently when you have it. All things which Fulham, a team we beat comfortably on their own patch a few short months ago, did brilliantly in drawing with one of the best teams in the world at the weekend. Once the heads go down, you're up against it. I can't see us turning it around against Chadders' lot. Another hiding may be on the cards. I don't remember us winning comfortable at Fulham,a battling defensive display against a team much better than us.One of the many wins that was typical of last season. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Aug 10, 2022 8:57:20 GMT 1
No minutes. Absolutely shocking management. His brother sounds very frustrated on Twitter! What’s he said ? Can’t find it Tweeted an emoji with an exploded head. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 10, 2022 9:01:04 GMT 1
I can't believe how many championship clubs got dumped out of the cup last night?
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Aug 10, 2022 9:06:35 GMT 1
I want to ask is there anyone on this site who can shed any light on what Danny’s tactics are ? I have watched all 3 games carefully and I have no idea what he is trying to achieve. We don’t press, we don’t try and hit on the break, we don’t use width, what is it we’re trying to do ? Anyone ? Defensively we are utterly shambolic - any cross into the box just gets stroked in with barely a challenge. Boyle was abysmal tonight - who decided he was better than Sarr ? Lees looks lost without Pearson. Two home games and in both we have given the left backs the freedom of the park- with no attempt from Schofield to change things - no lessons learnt. This really does not bode well. I reckon we will be bottom after 8 games and then bring in a new manager and this time (unlike the Cowleys and some great loan signings) it will be too late as I have no confidence that Hoyle intends to spend a penny until he gets his money back. It’s so depressing. There was only one positive tonight - I thought Etienne Camara had a promising start and totally outshone Russell who continues to stroll around looking lost. Obviously Anjorin is a lone shining light but on his own it’s not enough. Finally why no minutes for Danny Grant or Pat Jones ? We were desperate for some pace and creativity and yet he brings on full backs and centre backs when we’re getting stuffed. Absolutely clueless. Hoyle should hang his head in shame for putting Danny in this position as he’s very clearly not ready for management. We’re doomed, doomed I tell you…….. Totally agree with this. The team starts as if they haven’t a clue what they’re supposed to do except make it up as they go along. No-one takes responsibility for injecting any positivity or purpose into our attacking approach (with the exception of Rhodes who was my MOM by a country mile) closely followed by Camara, who showed a maturity and positional sense way beyond his experience and years. I’d play him every time ahead of the indolent looking Russell. Nakayama was steady away and Anjorin looks his usual barnstorming flattering to deceive self. The centre back pairing was flimsy at best with Tom Lees having something of a nightmare match by his own standards.Rudoni looks as if he could develop into a serious talent once he finds his feet at this level, but there is a lack of synergy in the team effort. Where is the press? Where is heart and desire to outfight your opponent? We have to regain that ‘never say die’ approach epitomised by O’Brien, even with technically inferior players. That is always the Town way, surely. I actually think Boyle is the issue. When they hit the bar first half it was because Boyle had drifted (again) way out of position, Naka then drifted central to fill that space and got caught between the poundland Luke Ayling wannabe on their right ring and their central striker - the back line regularly was out of kilter and it always seemed to me to be because Lees or Naka were trying to make up for Sloth mooching around aimlessly. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Aug 10, 2022 9:08:25 GMT 1
I think the other reflection I have from last night is the team selection. Schofield is a new manager and clearly does not know his best XI. He was no way in the position of having the luxury of blooding youngsters and making wholesale changes because it's a cup game - he should have been using it as a means to getting closer to a settled side. It felt as though he rotated the squad so heavily because he felt it is the done thing. Extremely naïve.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 10, 2022 9:19:47 GMT 1
I think the other reflection I have from last night is the team selection. Schofield is a new manager and clearly does not know his best XI. He was no way in the position of having the luxury of blooding youngsters and making wholesale changes because it's a cup game - he should have been using it as a means to getting closer to a settled side. It felt as though he rotated the squad so heavily because he felt it is the done thing. Extremely naïve. But without rotating he won't know his best XI cos the sides we've put out in the league games have also been crap. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 10, 2022 9:21:03 GMT 1
Rambo summed up last night at HT. "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. So we'll go and do the draw"
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Post by detox on Aug 10, 2022 9:30:46 GMT 1
Can't imagine what was said after the game in the Town changing room.
What I saw of the goal highlights it looks like half the team have already given up.
Schofield already has a crisis on his hands, the last thing we needed. I said earlier we needed to start the season well because I was worried about player reaction after selling our better players.
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Post by scutcher on Aug 10, 2022 9:35:40 GMT 1
Can't imagine what was said after the game in the Town changing room. What I saw of the goal highlights it looks like half the team have already given up. Schofield already has a crisis on his hands, the last thing we needed. I said earlier we needed to start the season well because I was worried about player reaction after selling our better players. Looked like they'd given up in the first half v Burnley. Probably because they knew they had no chance of winning! |
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