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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 16:57:34 GMT 1
Change in coaches hasnt helped obviously. Corboran walking out when he did.. Schofiled not working out.. Just a hangover from the whole Wembley debacle mainly. Players just finding it very hard to 'get back on the horse'. Nicholls, Lees, Hogg, Ward, Russell, Thomas.. over half our first choice XI last season from xmas on when we really established ourselves in the top group ...all excellent back then, all to varying degree nothing like as good this season. I was hoping you had spotted something I had not. LOB and Toffs Energy, drive and pace contributed to much more that Towns management thought. If running a football club was was easy I suppose we would all be Sir Alex Ferguson's. I think I would have given Schofield a few hard words after the first game against Burnley. Our latest coach certainly has not got the traditional attitude to management and could do with a good friend to bounce his ideas on before he opens his mouth, but this is not the reason we are propping up the table. Obviously the change in coaching has not helped, but the ethos of last seasons team has been lost and we need to find a one from somewhere. I dunno, lots of people have talked about things like style, tactics formations and ethos... I think these things can have an effect, but I look at the players.. the ones I listed in the previous post... thats 6 players there...over half the team... and each one individually is just not doing the basic things as well as they were prior to Wembley. Nothing really to do with those things.. just players not reaching the same levels of decision making, application, touch and control. Of what I feel was Corboran's favourite starting XI second half of last season, 4 have left.. those 6 are just not at the same levels they were and Turton is probably the only one who is still performing as he was. I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. but when thats combined with those 6 having a noticeable drop off.. that is why weve gone from a side finishing 3rd to where we currently are IMO, above anything else. When enough of those 6 get 'back on the horse' then I think we'll be fine and Sorba for one is showing signs he is lately. Nicholls too seems more assured than earlier in the season. Hoggs been out but hopefully he'll come back firing on all cylinders. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 27, 2022 18:16:51 GMT 1
I was hoping you had spotted something I had not. LOB and Toffs Energy, drive and pace contributed to much more that Towns management thought. If running a football club was was easy I suppose we would all be Sir Alex Ferguson's. I think I would have given Schofield a few hard words after the first game against Burnley. Our latest coach certainly has not got the traditional attitude to management and could do with a good friend to bounce his ideas on before he opens his mouth, but this is not the reason we are propping up the table. Obviously the change in coaching has not helped, but the ethos of last seasons team has been lost and we need to find a one from somewhere. I dunno, lots of people have talked about things like style, tactics formations and ethos... I think these things can have an effect, but I look at the players.. the ones I listed in the previous post... thats 6 players there...over half the team... and each one individually is just not doing the basic things as well as they were prior to Wembley. Nothing really to do with those things.. just players not reaching the same levels of decision making, application, touch and control. Of what I feel was Corboran's favourite starting XI second half of last season, 4 have left.. those 6 are just not at the same levels they were and Turton is probably the only one who is still performing as he was. I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. but when thats combined with those 6 having a noticeable drop off.. that is why weve gone from a side finishing 3rd to where we currently are IMO, above anything else. When enough of those 6 get 'back on the horse' then I think we'll be fine and Sorba for one is showing signs he is lately. Nicholls too seems more assured than earlier in the season. Hoggs been out but hopefully he'll come back firing on all cylinders. Last season all the “experts” on TV when asked how they thought we’d set up for a game gave the same answer. “You can’t ever tell because they are able to change formation many times during a game” This is what we have lost in the space of just 5 months. A highly motivated group of footballers capable of this level of flexibility. Hardly surprising to me that we are struggling given what’s occurred since May. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 27, 2022 18:39:39 GMT 1
I dunno, lots of people have talked about things like style, tactics formations and ethos... I think these things can have an effect, but I look at the players.. the ones I listed in the previous post... thats 6 players there...over half the team... and each one individually is just not doing the basic things as well as they were prior to Wembley. Nothing really to do with those things.. just players not reaching the same levels of decision making, application, touch and control. Of what I feel was Corboran's favourite starting XI second half of last season, 4 have left.. those 6 are just not at the same levels they were and Turton is probably the only one who is still performing as he was. I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. but when thats combined with those 6 having a noticeable drop off.. that is why weve gone from a side finishing 3rd to where we currently are IMO, above anything else. When enough of those 6 get 'back on the horse' then I think we'll be fine and Sorba for one is showing signs he is lately. Nicholls too seems more assured than earlier in the season. Hoggs been out but hopefully he'll come back firing on all cylinders. Last season all the “experts” on TV when asked how they thought we’d set up for a game gave the same answer. “You can’t ever tell because they are able to change formation many times during a game” This is what we have lost in the space of just 5 months. A highly motivated group of footballers capable of this level of flexibility. Hardly surprising to me that we are struggling given what’s occurred since May. I dont disagree with that. But what im saying is that doesnt account for ward not being able to trap a bag of cement this season.. Lees frequently making terrible clumsy decisions ... Sorba not being able to do anything with the ball he wanted to for the first 2 months of the season.. Russell suddenly having the mobility of an oak tree..Hogg not having much impact in the middle when we dont have the ball,,,etc None of that is down to tactics and formations.. its just a loss of basic ability....ie players simply off form. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 27, 2022 18:58:00 GMT 1
Last season all the “experts” on TV when asked how they thought we’d set up for a game gave the same answer. “You can’t ever tell because they are able to change formation many times during a game” This is what we have lost in the space of just 5 months. A highly motivated group of footballers capable of this level of flexibility. Hardly surprising to me that we are struggling given what’s occurred since May. I dont disagree with that. But what im saying is that doesnt account for ward not being able to trap a bag of cement this season.. Lees frequently making terrible clumsy decisions ... Sorba not being able to do anything with the ball he wanted to for the first 2 months of the season.. Russell suddenly having the mobility of an oak tree..Hogg not having much impact in the middle when we dont have the ball,,,etc None of that is down to tactics and formations.. its just a loss of basic ability....ie players simply off form. Get your point but there is another magic ingredient missing from this group of players this season. Confidence. How else can performances by the likes of Lees be explained? I truly do not believe that players become lesser players in the space of just a few weeks. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Oct 27, 2022 19:30:35 GMT 1
Last season all the “experts” on TV when asked how they thought we’d set up for a game gave the same answer. “You can’t ever tell because they are able to change formation many times during a game” This is what we have lost in the space of just 5 months. A highly motivated group of footballers capable of this level of flexibility. Hardly surprising to me that we are struggling given what’s occurred since May. I dont disagree with that. But what im saying is that doesnt account for ward not being able to trap a bag of cement this season.. Lees frequently making terrible clumsy decisions ... Sorba not being able to do anything with the ball he wanted to for the first 2 months of the season.. Russell suddenly having the mobility of an oak tree..Hogg not having much impact in the middle when we dont have the ball,,,etc None of that is down to tactics and formations.. its just a loss of basic ability....ie players simply off form. Confidence is a massive factor in any job. I feel the Corberon episode affected the team and the ensuing Schofield appointment too. I wouldn't be surprised either that rumours of Hoyle's exit from the club have created turbulence too. Whilst he has done great things for the club it has been mystifying that he hasn't made a communication to the fans from late July to late October in the light of the clusterfook we have been through. I know people say , why should he?, but to anyone with leadership experience in any sector it was apparent he was starting to clear his desk. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 27, 2022 20:00:06 GMT 1
I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. I'm struggling to see which one you mean as the second big loss? Is it Toffolo, Colwill, Sinani or Pipa. Wouldn't all 4 be walking into this team for large chunks of this season? ...as TBH would Sarr. |
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Post by blanquiazules on Oct 27, 2022 20:38:52 GMT 1
I dont disagree with that. But what im saying is that doesnt account for ward not being able to trap a bag of cement this season.. Lees frequently making terrible clumsy decisions ... Sorba not being able to do anything with the ball he wanted to for the first 2 months of the season.. Russell suddenly having the mobility of an oak tree..Hogg not having much impact in the middle when we dont have the ball,,,etc None of that is down to tactics and formations.. its just a loss of basic ability....ie players simply off form. Get your point but there is another magic ingredient missing from this group of players this season. Confidence. How else can performances by the likes of Lees be explained? I truly do not believe that players become lesser players in the space of just a few weeks. Not lesser players but a lesser team. I’m not sure under DH’s reign we’ve ever had a squad which, on football ability, has been top half of the championship but we have twice had squads which have greatly overachieved vs the sum of their parts. Wagner did it thru building self-belief, training harder than the other teams and being great at seeing out games when ahead (Aaron Mooy). Corberan created focus, tactical flexibility and set-piece excellence. The other thing they had in common on those occasions was a full pre-season with the majority of the squad to embed togetherness and clarity of approach. Imo we’ve gone from an overachieving bottom half squad to an underachieving one between May and August unfortunately. |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 27, 2022 20:49:37 GMT 1
Get your point but there is another magic ingredient missing from this group of players this season. Confidence. How else can performances by the likes of Lees be explained? I truly do not believe that players become lesser players in the space of just a few weeks. Not lesser players but a lesser team. I’m not sure under DH’s reign we’ve ever had a squad which, on football ability, has been top half of the championship but we have twice had squads which have greatly overachieved vs the sum of their parts. Wagner did it thru building self-belief, training harder than the other teams and being great at seeing out games when ahead (Aaron Mooy). Corberan created focus, tactical flexibility and set-piece excellence. The other thing they had in common on those occasions was a full pre-season with the majority of the squad to embed togetherness and clarity of approach. Imo we’ve gone from an overachieving bottom half squad to an underachieving one between May and August unfortunately. the team under wagner and the team last season had togetherness and team spirit, that somehow seems to have vanished, only the players who are left from last season can explain that correctly, fans can assume many reasons!! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 27, 2022 20:49:54 GMT 1
I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. I'm struggling to see which one you mean as the second big loss? Is it Toffolo, Colwill, Sinani or Pipa. Wouldn't all 4 be walking into this team for large chunks of this season? ...as TBH would Sarr. Toffolo or Nakayama? Toffolo. O'Brien or Kasumu? O'Brien. Rudoni or Sinani? Sinani. Colwill or Mbete? Colwill. Sarr or Boyle? Sarr. Pipa or KKH? Pipa. Recruitment has been a joke. Corberan or Schofield/Fotheringham? Corberan. Outrageously poor in every aspect. We're miles away from where we were only a few months ago. DH's parting gift of Fotheringham is just laughable. Infact his last three appointments have been nothing short of a disgrace.. Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham. 34 games combined, 3 wins. Games managed combined before getting a gig here? Zero. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 27, 2022 21:01:02 GMT 1
I'm struggling to see which one you mean as the second big loss? Is it Toffolo, Colwill, Sinani or Pipa. Wouldn't all 4 be walking into this team for large chunks of this season? ...as TBH would Sarr. Toffolo or Nakayama? Toffolo. O'Brien or Kasumu? O'Brien. Rudoni or Sinani? Sinani. Colwill or Mbete? Colwill. Sarr or Boyle? Sarr. Pipa or KKH? Pipa. Recruitment has been a joke. Corberan or Schofield/Fotheringham? Corberan. Outrageously poor in every aspect. We're miles away from where we were only a few months ago. DH's parting gift of Fotheringham is just laughable. Infact his last three appointments have been nothing short of a disgrace.. Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham. 34 games combined, 3 wins. Games managed combined before getting a gig here? Zero. Sinani was slaughtered by lots on here. My god I wish he was with us now. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 27, 2022 21:19:30 GMT 1
Toffolo or Nakayama? Toffolo. O'Brien or Kasumu? O'Brien. Rudoni or Sinani? Sinani. Colwill or Mbete? Colwill. Sarr or Boyle? Sarr. Pipa or KKH? Pipa. Recruitment has been a joke. Corberan or Schofield/Fotheringham? Corberan. Outrageously poor in every aspect. We're miles away from where we were only a few months ago. DH's parting gift of Fotheringham is just laughable. Infact his last three appointments have been nothing short of a disgrace.. Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham. 34 games combined, 3 wins. Games managed combined before getting a gig here? Zero. Sinani was slaughtered by lots on here. My god I wish he was with us now. So was Trevor Chalobah Overton. I think we have the biggest support base of numpties across all 92 league Clubs. I really do. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 27, 2022 21:26:23 GMT 1
Toffolo or Nakayama? Toffolo. O'Brien or Kasumu? O'Brien. Rudoni or Sinani? Sinani. Colwill or Mbete? Colwill. Sarr or Boyle? Sarr. Pipa or KKH? Pipa. Recruitment has been a joke. Corberan or Schofield/Fotheringham? Corberan. Outrageously poor in every aspect. We're miles away from where we were only a few months ago. DH's parting gift of Fotheringham is just laughable. Infact his last three appointments have been nothing short of a disgrace.. Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham. 34 games combined, 3 wins. Games managed combined before getting a gig here? Zero. Sinani was slaughtered by lots on here. My god I wish he was with us now. Sinani got 7 goals with 5 assists last season, yes he had some poor games but he definitely proved his worth overall. We had a deal to purchase him but opted for Rudoni for a similar price who isn't proven at this level. Just another example of the ridiculous decisions made since the playoff final. |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 27, 2022 21:33:46 GMT 1
I was hoping you had spotted something I had not. LOB and Toffs Energy, drive and pace contributed to much more that Towns management thought. If running a football club was was easy I suppose we would all be Sir Alex Ferguson's. I think I would have given Schofield a few hard words after the first game against Burnley. Our latest coach certainly has not got the traditional attitude to management and could do with a good friend to bounce his ideas on before he opens his mouth, but this is not the reason we are propping up the table. Obviously the change in coaching has not helped, but the ethos of last seasons team has been lost and we need to find a one from somewhere. I dunno, lots of people have talked about things like style, tactics formations and ethos... I think these things can have an effect, but I look at the players.. the ones I listed in the previous post... thats 6 players there...over half the team... and each one individually is just not doing the basic things as well as they were prior to Wembley. Nothing really to do with those things.. just players not reaching the same levels of decision making, application, touch and control. Of what I feel was Corboran's favourite starting XI second half of last season, 4 have left.. those 6 are just not at the same levels they were and Turton is probably the only one who is still performing as he was. I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. but when thats combined with those 6 having a noticeable drop off.. that is why weve gone from a side finishing 3rd to where we currently are IMO, above anything else. When enough of those 6 get 'back on the horse' then I think we'll be fine and Sorba for one is showing signs he is lately. Nicholls too seems more assured than earlier in the season. Hoggs been out but hopefully he'll come back firing on all cylinders. Dont disagree with the drop off in those remaining with us ....... but the losses of colwill, toffs and LOB and being replaced with (to date) very pale imitations at best are whats done for us. All 3 left footers gave us a balance and mobility a million miles from what we have now. Somehow weve now got to find a way to sneak some results, take stock in nov whilst the world cup plays out and prepare to wheel and deal in jan to keep ourselves at this level while awaiting new ownership. Gonna be an interesting winter! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 27, 2022 21:34:54 GMT 1
Sinani was slaughtered by lots on here. My god I wish he was with us now. So was Trevor Chalobah Overton. I think we have the biggest support base of numpties across all 92 league Clubs. I really do. Looks at Chris Willock, he was slated on here regularly. Thought he showed alot of potential. Since gone to QPR, 16 goals, 16 assists. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 27, 2022 21:37:27 GMT 1
So was Trevor Chalobah Overton. I think we have the biggest support base of numpties across all 92 league Clubs. I really do. Looks at Chris Willock, he was slated on here regularly. Thought he showed alot of potential. Since gone to QPR, 16 goals, 16 assists. The list goes on!. Being honest, I didn’t have an opinion on Willock at the time thus won’t claim to have seen the Player QPR have. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 27, 2022 21:40:53 GMT 1
Looks at Chris Willock, he was slated on here regularly. Thought he showed alot of potential. Since gone to QPR, 16 goals, 16 assists. The list goes on!. Being honest, I didn’t have an opinion on Willock at the time thus won’t claim to have seen the Player QPR have. This is what I posted about Willock in September 2020. Let's put Willocks loan into abit of context. He signed late on deadline day after Benfica recalled him from his loan spell at West Brom after not getting any first team minutes. For obvious reasons he wasn't match fit when he arrived. He played limited minutes in the first few games building up his match fitness. He made a brief cameo away to Derby, looked lively & nearly scored a late winner. Maybe if he was match sharp he might have buried the chance? The next game away to Swansea he played the last 20 mins, again looked lively & made an assist for Mounie to score a tap in. His first start was at home to Bristol City. He & ESR were excellent, he scored a cracker with a curling left foot effort but tired second half. Charlton at home he looked decent again & although he didn't directly contribute to any of the goals that day I thought he did well before again tiring. Leeds away after they scored he tried to get forward but had limited opportunities & the Leeds defence doubled up & kept playing him up blind alleys. Then Covid lockdown hit which inevitably put him back to square one fitness wise. The first few games after the restart were a disgrace, there's not one player that can hold their heads high. After that Cowley set-up ultra defensively & we managed afew 0-0 draws & another stinker against Luton. Willock was nonexistent in the minutes he played but did we play to his strengths? Looking for 0-0s it's tough to shine, especially when you're chasing match fitness. West Brom for the first half hour was one of the best performances I've seen at town all season. His direct running kept the Baggies on the back foot & he scored a tidy volley. Again tired before being substituted. Do I think he's showed glimpses of what he can do? Yes. Would I have him here again next season? Yes. Do I think we'll pay £2m for him? No. Maybe another loan or a transfer fee with performance related add-ons/sell-on. I do think he has the potential to be a good signing though. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 0:53:20 GMT 1
I think we'd have coped ok with the 4 that left as only 2 of them would count as big losses.. I'm struggling to see which one you mean as the second big loss? Is it Toffolo, Colwill, Sinani or Pipa. Wouldn't all 4 be walking into this team for large chunks of this season? ...as TBH would Sarr. Of Corboran's favoured side.. LOB and Toffs are the two losses of note IMO If youre mentioning Pipa and Sarr as losses you might aswell include Campbell too |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 1:10:33 GMT 1
Sinani was slaughtered by lots on here. My god I wish he was with us now. Sinani got 7 goals with 5 assists last season, yes he had some poor games but he definitely proved his worth overall. We had a deal to purchase him but opted for Rudoni for a similar price who isn't proven at this level. Just another example of the ridiculous decisions made since the playoff final. No not for me. Think he had a LOT of poor games. I know people point to his stats being ok (and thats all they are-ok ) but stats can be deceptive and paper over that he was a player who just continually gave the ball away IMO. His set pieces were useful but as a player Im not missing him despite how its going. Hes not exactly pulling any trees up at Norwich either. After starting the season in their first XI he's been dropped to the bench now and has 1 championship goal.. needless to say against us. Rudoni hasnt been playing the same role as sinani did but IMO he'll be the better player. In terms of technique I think he already is. Its Holmes that has been playing Sinanis role if anyone has and although Im not a huge Holmes fan he's done ok. One of our better players so far ( not saying a great deal perhaps ) I dont see the team sheet and wonder how he's managed to keep his starting place like I did so many times last season with Sinani, put it that way. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 28, 2022 7:39:23 GMT 1
I'm struggling to see which one you mean as the second big loss? Is it Toffolo, Colwill, Sinani or Pipa. Wouldn't all 4 be walking into this team for large chunks of this season? ...as TBH would Sarr. Toffolo or Nakayama? Toffolo. O'Brien or Kasumu? O'Brien. Rudoni or Sinani? Sinani. Colwill or Mbete? Colwill. Sarr or Boyle? Sarr. Pipa or KKH? Pipa. Recruitment has been a joke. Corberan or Schofield/Fotheringham? Corberan. Outrageously poor in every aspect. We're miles away from where we were only a few months ago. DH's parting gift of Fotheringham is just laughable. Infact his last three appointments have been nothing short of a disgrace.. Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham. 34 games combined, 3 wins. Games managed combined before getting a gig here? Zero. Sadly all of this is true. I just can’t see us staying up with this squad. |
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Post by Floyds on Oct 28, 2022 8:02:33 GMT 1
We're miles off last season for a variety of reasons - losing our better players and manager, poor signings and recruitment and loss of form and injuries.
Just hope we can grind out a few results to keep us in touch before the World Cup.
We're hardly going to see any investment when the window opens, especially if we're 10 points from safety.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 28, 2022 12:17:58 GMT 1
Maybe investment would be wise , because selling a championship side will be more financially viable than a div one team . Speculate to accumulate . May be one final throw of the dice
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Post by goodbet on Oct 28, 2022 12:30:42 GMT 1
Maybe investment would be wise , because selling a championship side will be more financially viable than a div one team . Speculate to accumulate . May be one final throw of the dice If we are still within reach this would make sense, but Town have made very little sense recently. |
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Post by griffa on Oct 28, 2022 12:56:37 GMT 1
Thank you for your enormous contribution personally & financially to Town. Remember when you attended Town matches, in the Kilner Bank Stand, you are truly a Town Fan. Since then we've had many highs & many lows, good luck to you & your family for the future - UTT.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 28, 2022 15:31:03 GMT 1
Thank you for your enormous contribution personally & financially to Town. Remember when you attended Town matches, in the Kilner Bank Stand, you are truly a Town Fan. Since then we've had many highs & many lows, good luck to you & your family for the future - UTT. Cant see him doing that. Whilst the vast majority would range from very respectful to indifferent, theres always going to be the chance of encountering some moron who wants to have a right go at him. He tends to attend with his wife aswell, so as much as he should be able to watch from wherever he wants, I cant see him sitting anywhere but the VIP seats. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 28, 2022 15:35:32 GMT 1
Thank you for your enormous contribution personally & financially to Town. Remember when you attended Town matches, in the Kilner Bank Stand, you are truly a Town Fan. Since then we've had many highs & many lows, good luck to you & your family for the future - UTT. Cant see him doing that. Whilst the vast majority would range from very respectful to indifferent, theres always going to be the chance of encountering some moron who wants to have a right go at him. He tends to attend with his wife aswell, so as much as he should be able to watch from wherever he wants, I cant see him sitting anywhere but the VIP seats. Completely agree. He should be able to come back to our ground without receiving dogs abuse, no matter how things have turned out since 2019. Like you say though, there will be at least one person who behaves like an imbecile; I'd hope if DH did sit in the main stands anyone giving him shit would get body-slammed into the floor! |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 28, 2022 17:18:14 GMT 1
Cant see him doing that. Whilst the vast majority would range from very respectful to indifferent, theres always going to be the chance of encountering some moron who wants to have a right go at him. He tends to attend with his wife aswell, so as much as he should be able to watch from wherever he wants, I cant see him sitting anywhere but the VIP seats. Completely agree. He should be able to come back to our ground without receiving dogs abuse, no matter how things have turned out since 2019. Like you say though, there will be at least one person who behaves like an imbecile; I'd hope if DH did sit in the main stands anyone giving him shit would get body-slammed into the floor! DH will be respected by fans on his return, and to be fair wouldnt be sat in kilner anyway so it will be no different to how he watches matches now. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Oct 28, 2022 21:23:47 GMT 1
Four pages of thanks. Great work DATM Town supporters
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Post by digs on Oct 28, 2022 21:27:38 GMT 1
Thanks Deano gave us some great times,never forget Brentford away when he gave me £500 to get a drink
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Post by space hardware on Oct 28, 2022 23:14:05 GMT 1
Four pages of thanks. Great work DATM Town supporters Pardon? |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 23, 2023 13:19:07 GMT 1
Well thanks for the best of times and some less fun, but also for writing off millions and getting this sale.
Cheers
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