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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 11:27:49 GMT 1
I thought the youngsters did well. Rhodes and Ward were awful. How anybody thought having only 2 stickers was a good idea is beyond me. Koroma, Harratt, Hudlin, Phillips all out on loan. The recruitment has been bloody awful. If I was MF i would want koroma back - can they? The Holmes free-kick. They are professionals all day long Jackson should have taken it. You'll never fill your Panini album like that  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 11:31:34 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. Jesus Christ, steady on! It was decent, nothing more than that. When we got into a good position we invariably fluffed it and they were never really defending for their lives. We are right up shit creek, sans paddle now. Agree about fluffing it when we got in good positions, but cmon, some of the turns and little interplays in the middle by Rudoni and Camara were sublime, they really were. I havent clapped as much at a game for a long time as I did in that first half. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 11:34:19 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, steady on! It was decent, nothing more than that. When we got into a good position we invariably fluffed it and they were never really defending for their lives. We are right up shit creek, sans paddle now. Agree about fluffing it when we got in good positions, but cmon, some of the turns and little interplays in the middle by Rudoni and Camara were sublime, they really were. I havent clapped as much at a game for a long time as I did in that first half. So long as you were happy as you were clapping Slapps  |
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Post by evidentlychickentown on Nov 3, 2022 11:43:47 GMT 1
Well it couldn’t have gone more wrong could it ? Having already lost Pearson and now Turton we turn up to find Lees is out then Nakayama and Jackson get stretchered off. On top of that the poisoned dwarf scores against the club that most lined his pockets and who he openly mocked after leaving, and we play 20 minutes into the teeth of a foul gale that miraculously stops the minute Sunderland step out. Another clown of a ref (after a decent 1st 35 mins) gives us nothing and all in all it seems as if this is destined to be a relegation season where absolutely nothing goes right - tonight summed that feeling up. And yet, despite resigning myself to the inevitability of relegation given our toothless attack and depleted defensive resources, I left the game with optimism for the future - bizarre or what ? But hear me out, Kasamu is improving game by game and is looking like O’Briens successor, Rudoni is class and will move to the next level when that first goal goes in of that I have no doubt, Jackson shows immense promise despite a few misplaced passes in the 2nd half, Brodie Spencer played well and as for Etienne, he is an emerging talent who is destined for the Premiership (pity it won’t be with us). On top of that Diarra showed flashes of his potential and with Pat Jones and Harrat to come back, surely the future is bright ? I know things are going to get worse before they get better, with this attack Pep would struggle to win games, but we have some very good young players and I just hope we can hang onto them in Div 1 which won’t be easy. Finally, I think Fotheringham is doing a good job under very difficult circumstances and I hope he is given time to see out the shit storm that will inevitably descend on him. The last 2 games we have worked hard, won tackles and 2nd balls, looked organised and full of spirit - that is miles from where we’re only a few weeks ago when we looked knackered all the time and couldn’t win a 50/50 to save our lives. He’s been dealt a bad hand and the injuries are horrendous but he has improved these players and I don’t think we can expect more when we’re to all intents and purposes ownerless and pretty much skint. If he keeps us up this season he’s also a miracle worker.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 11:58:42 GMT 1
Well it couldn’t have gone more wrong could it ? Having already lost Pearson and now Turton we turn up to find Lees is out then Nakayama and Jackson get stretchered off. On top of that the poisoned dwarf scores against the club that most lined his pockets and who he openly mocked after leaving, and we play 20 minutes into the teeth of a foul gale that miraculously stops the minute Sunderland step out. Another clown of a ref (after a decent 1st 35 mins) gives us nothing and all in all it seems as if this is destined to be a relegation season where absolutely nothing goes right - tonight summed that feeling up. And yet, despite resigning myself to the inevitability of relegation given our toothless attack and depleted defensive resources, I left the game with optimism for the future - bizarre or what ? But hear me out, Kasamu is improving game by game and is looking like O’Briens successor, Rudoni is class and will move to the next level when that first goal goes in of that I have no doubt, Jackson shows immense promise despite a few misplaced passes in the 2nd half, Brodie Spencer played well and as for Etienne, he is an emerging talent who is destined for the Premiership (pity it won’t be with us). On top of that Diarra showed flashes of his potential and with Pat Jones and Harrat to come back, surely the future is bright ? I know things are going to get worse before they get better, with this attack Pep would struggle to win games, but we have some very good young players and I just hope we can hang onto them in Div 1 which won’t be easy. Finally, I think Fotheringham is doing a good job under very difficult circumstances and I hope he is given time to see out the shit storm that will inevitably descend on him. The last 2 games we have worked hard, won tackles and 2nd balls, looked organised and full of spirit - that is miles from where we’re only a few weeks ago when we looked knackered all the time and couldn’t win a 50/50 to save our lives. He’s been dealt a bad hand and the injuries are horrendous but he has improved these players and I don’t think we can expect more when we’re to all intents and purposes ownerless and pretty much skint. If he keeps us up this season he’s also a miracle worker. Agree with most of that. We showed faith and patience in Corboran when he was having to contend with a shocking injury crisis and it ended up ( very nearly ) paying huge dividends, and we need to do the same with Fotheringham. I think we have improved in many ways recently and thats despite having so many key players unavailable. Its hard to judge MF really when he's having to firefight so many injuries, just as it was with Corboran. |
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Post by ram on Nov 3, 2022 12:08:00 GMT 1
Some very good play up to 20 yards from their goal,then turn round and do it again,1st half. 2nd half started ok hut when our dwarf fluffed a one on one,and Rhodes blasted the follow up wide they moved down our left put a better cross in than we had done all night and their dwarf had a tap in. Then Kasumu was subbed with Boyle,no doubt to defend a 1-0 defeat result a 2-0 defeat.Relegation looking ominously over our shoulder!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 3, 2022 12:14:19 GMT 1
Some very good play up to 20 yards from their goal,then turn round and do it again,1st half. 2nd half started ok hut when our dwarf fluffed a one on one,and Rhodes blasted the follow up wide they moved down our left put a better cross in than we had done all night and their dwarf had a tap in. Then Kasumu was subbed with Boyle, no doubt to defend a 1-0 defeat result a 2-0 defeat.Relegation looking ominously over our shoulder! The bit in bold. Do you really think that??? |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 12:17:42 GMT 1
Always seems to have some insight into which players are injured. Or claims to have. I've seen that from some of is previous posts. Must have bloody good eyes to tell how injured a player is without an x-ray or a scan. Which coincidentally, is what the club have said we are waiting on. I'll reserve judgement until I hear something more concrete, but if he's wrong, this Bob chap, I'll be phoning all the shit tabloids to expose this potential DATM fraud. FWIW, I think the injury is bad too, but I've seen folk stretchered off before with injuries that ended up not being as severe as at first feared. Fingers crossed for the lad. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 12:18:31 GMT 1
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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 12:20:30 GMT 1
Always seems to have some insight into which players are injured. Or claims to have. I've seen that from some of is previous posts. Must have bloody good eyes to tell how injured a player is without an x-ray or a scan. Which coincidentally, is what the club have said we are waiting on. I'll reserve judgement until I hear something more concrete, but if he's wrong, this Bob chap, I'll be phoning all the shit tabloids to expose this potential DATM fraud. FWIW, I think the injury is bad too, but I've seen folk stretchered off before with injuries that ended up not being as severe as at first feared. Fingers crossed for the lad. Johnny Hogg's broken neck for one! |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 12:22:39 GMT 1
Johnny Hogg's broken neck for one! Crikey, good call! Now that was a bit of good news. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 3, 2022 12:26:39 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, steady on! It was decent, nothing more than that. When we got into a good position we invariably fluffed it and they were never really defending for their lives. We are right up shit creek, sans paddle now. Agree about fluffing it when we got in good positions, but cmon, some of the turns and little interplays in the middle by Rudoni and Camara were sublime, they really were. I havent clapped as much at a game for a long time as I did in that first half. We ran well with the ball but unfortunately too far in the wrong places and not far enough when we got to the right places with it. The lack of belief in dangerous positions was palpable. Our pressing was sporadic but worked when we did it, we melted away too often, too quickly again, the first goal was proof of it. I watched us again retreat and then fail with enough numbers to actually defend propely. The crosses into our box that were just allowed are indicative of our problems. If we have 3 players defending in a wide area then the cross should not be coming in? That we should have scored a couple is getting old as an excuse. I thought kasumu, camara and rudoni did some good stuff and Jackson was wasted after half time before getting injured. We get on top, we shift up and we look threatening but its in very short patches?  Its odd to watch at times.. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 3, 2022 12:27:05 GMT 1
Some very good play up to 20 yards from their goal,then turn round and do it again,1st half. 2nd half started ok hut when our dwarf fluffed a one on one,and Rhodes blasted the follow up wide they moved down our left put a better cross in than we had done all night and their dwarf had a tap in. Then Kasumu was subbed with Boyle, no doubt to defend a 1-0 defeat result a 2-0 defeat.Relegation looking ominously over our shoulder! The bit in bold. Do you really think that??? Didn't Boyle come on for the injured Jackson? Mahoney was for Kasumu wasn't it? Could be wrong. |
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Post by evidentlychickentown on Nov 3, 2022 12:27:30 GMT 1
Johnny Hogg's broken neck for one! Crikey, good call! Now that was a bit of good news. Looking at your pic Stan, I expected a Crikey and you didn’t disappoint |
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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 12:28:32 GMT 1
Crikey, good call! Now that was a bit of good news. Looking at your pic Stan, I expected a Crikey and you didn’t disappoint Still always picture Steve Irwin whenever anyone says or posts crikey |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 12:32:05 GMT 1
Looking at your pic Stan, I expected a Crikey and you didn’t disappoint Still always picture Steve Irwin whenever anyone says or posts crikey "Crikey, look at the size of the barb on the back of that manta..." |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 12:32:31 GMT 1
What a legend, as is John Cooper Clarke.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Nov 3, 2022 13:00:43 GMT 1
I know that lots of people don’t care about this stat but interesting that the xG in the match for Huddersfield Town was 1.78. The total xG in the match for Sunderland was 1.22.
You probably have to mark theirs down a little when you consider that their last goal was a relatively high xG and wouldn’t have happened if we weren’t 1-0 down.
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Post by Terriersmad on Nov 3, 2022 13:16:36 GMT 1
Like many on here, I'm increasingly resigned to the drop. However, also like many, I'm seeing positives.
The players currently being relied on aren't ready for the Championship, but there are glimpses of a bright future. Camara has stepped into the side and done very well, playing week-in, week-out. Jackson has made a similar impact, and his injury is a huge blow. Spencer clearly has much to learn, but there were signs last night that he'll be a good player. Diarra looked a bit lost when playing wide, but when put central he had real drive and made a difference. Chuck in the players on loan, we're going to see a handful of youngsters make their mark on the first team in the next couple of years.
There's definitely a style of play growing. After Rotherham and Preston I was seriously questioning the appointment of Fotheringham, but these last two home games have given me renewed optimism. We played very well indeed against Millwall, and without putting the ball in the net against Sunderland looked far more comfortable and confident on the ball. We created more chances than we have for a long time, and just didn't take them for whatever reason. Lack of confidence maybe?
The downside is that Ward and Rhodes haven't really looked comfortable playing in the new system and we can only wait on Simpson getting fit to see what he can do. I suspect he's more suited to the system, with running channels and getting in defenders faces, but we'll wait and see.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Nov 3, 2022 13:18:38 GMT 1
The bit in bold. Do you really think that??? Didn't Boyle come on for the injured Jackson? Mahoney was for Kasumu wasn't it? Could be wrong. Correct, although for the use Mahoney was, we could have taken Kasumu off and not brought anybody on with the same result. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2022 13:39:12 GMT 1
Noticed a post about Holmes' long throws above. For some reason I can't quote it. I have commented on Holmes'supposed long throws a few times. THEY ARE NOT FUCKIN' LONG! They barely reach the box and create fuck all danger. We would be better taking a short throw and crossing the ball. Has anyone ever seen one of his throws create anything? Ever? They're more dangerous than his direct free kicks though 😉 |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2022 13:48:15 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. Last night was worth it just for that Cruyff turn, on the half volley, from a dropping ball by Rudoni. It was sublime. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2022 13:51:45 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. I know people have been saying Diarra should know when to release the ball, but it was refreshing to see a player running at the opposition like he was. It won't work every time, but he might actually be a catalyst for us if he can get some time on the pitch. Definite improvements in midfield where they're starting to understand one another. And with a striker with decent movement, and that is quicker than an asthmatic tortoise up front, Diarra and Rudoni could come into their own |
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Post by bradley1985 on Nov 3, 2022 14:06:09 GMT 1
The youngsters with talent Diarra, Rudoni will not play in League one
Absolutely mental to think they would. Club would have to cut its cloth on relegation and they are saleable assets.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Nov 3, 2022 14:06:22 GMT 1
If Holmes buries the 1V1 about 45 seconds before Sunderland took the lead, we'd have won the game.
Our confidence is shit, we don't have a plan B, very easy to soak up pressure against once a team is trying to keep a lead.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 3, 2022 14:08:45 GMT 1
I know people have been saying Diarra should know when to release the ball, but it was refreshing to see a player running at the opposition like he was. It won't work every time, but he might actually be a catalyst for us if he can get some time on the pitch. Definite improvements in midfield where they're starting to understand one another. And with a striker with decent movement, and that is quicker than an asthmatic tortoise up front, Diarra and Rudoni could come into their own I joked on the way home, I’m as quick as either ward or Rhodes. Fingers crossed Simpson is fit very soon, as if we continue with these two performing like they have been then we are doomed. |
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 3, 2022 14:09:44 GMT 1
If Holmes buries the 1V1 about 45 seconds before Sunderland took the lead, we'd have won the game. Our confidence is shit, we don't have a plan B, very easy to soak up pressure against once a team is trying to keep a lead. Good save. Good chance as well. Rhodes miss from that move was significantly worse. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Nov 3, 2022 14:20:09 GMT 1
And with a striker with decent movement, and that is quicker than an asthmatic tortoise up front, Diarra and Rudoni could come into their own I joked on the way home, I’m as quick as either ward or Rhodes. Fingers crossed Simpson is fit very soon, as if we continue with these two performing like they have been then we are doomed. We would have been promoted last year with a good striker. It was obvious that was an area where we were inadequate and it was never addressed. Despite all the arguments about Hoyle and his money , one thing is for sure, we are the architects of our own downfall on the pitch. |
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Post by ringdisco on Nov 3, 2022 14:24:36 GMT 1
The youngsters with talent Diarra, Rudoni will not play in League one Absolutely mental to think they would. Club would have to cut its cloth on relegation and they are saleable assets. Pretty sure they will. Rudoni was bought from League Two, after relegation from League One, and Diarra has a few mins from League Two as well previous to this season. We'll sell Nicholls and Sorba. |
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Post by ringdisco on Nov 3, 2022 14:26:17 GMT 1
I joked on the way home, I’m as quick as either ward or Rhodes. Fingers crossed Simpson is fit very soon, as if we continue with these two performing like they have been then we are doomed. We would have been promoted last year with a good striker. It was obvious that was an area where we were inadequate and it was never addressed. Despite all the arguments about Hoyle and his money , one thing is for sure, we are the architects of our own downfall on the pitch. Lots of people advocating for Ward as a top tier striker in this division. It was madness even last season, to come out with such nonsense. |
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