FFP

[Terrier Ramone]

Aug 7, 2023 8:16:08 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Aug 5, 2023 18:50:21 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

If I'm honest, I can understand this one. Hungbo has great potential but was hit and miss. If we're spending money, it should be spent on consistency. We're crying out for a player who can control the game in the middle, for instance.

As competition for Sorba he'd have been ideal IMO. We don't appear to have any, save for playing someone out of position.

If he was still here (at the risk of upsetting Porroh) Duane Holmes was probably our next best option. Fuck knows who we'd put there now if Sorba is injured, suspended or needs dropping for some other reason.

I suspect they'd move Koroma across to the right & bring Pat Jones in. What we'd do for the second game, once Pat's hamstring had gone, I'm not quite sure?

[rooo]

Aug 7, 2023 8:11:28 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Aug 7, 2023 0:34:16 GMT 1 willo said:

Where is this Q&A being held?

Magic Rock taproom in Hudds, Ringway Industrial Estate end. Thurs from 7pm IIRC.

As this is a CSL event, will it be recorded and uploaded to YouTube for those that can't go?

[rooo]

Aug 7, 2023 9:40:02 GMT 1 rooo said:

Aug 7, 2023 8:11:28 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Magic Rock taproom in Hudds, Ringway Industrial Estate end. Thurs from 7pm IIRC.

As this is a CSL event, will it be recorded and uploaded to YouTube for those that can't go?

Just had a message conversation on Instagram with CSL who say that it won't be recorded. Seems a pity, as it denies those that can't make it (or are turned away if full) a chance to hear 'from the horses mouth' rather than attendees' interpretation of what was said

[Porrohman]

Aug 7, 2023 10:49:40 GMT 1 rooo said:

Aug 7, 2023 9:40:02 GMT 1 rooo said:

As this is a CSL event, will it be recorded and uploaded to YouTube for those that can't go?

Just had a message conversation on Instagram with CSL who say that it won't be recorded. Seems a pity, as it denies those that can't make it (or are turned away if full) a chance to hear 'from the horses mouth' rather than attendees' interpretation of what was said

Or to see the bare knuckle fight afterwards

[nicovaesen]

Is just people who have been invited or could anyone go?

[Porrohman]

Aug 7, 2023 10:57:37 GMT 1 nicovaesen said:

Is just people who have been invited or could anyone go?

First come, first served, it said. No idea how many it holds.

[goodbet]

Aug 6, 2023 20:16:32 GMT 1 prepare said:

Aug 6, 2023 18:46:09 GMT 1 royrace said:

You’d really like to think it isn’t true however it would explain why we don’t have a pot to piss in. Does anyone know even roughly what KN has paid for the club? There does seem to have been a strange obsession with getting money back since the PL years even though that was never part of the plan. Also KN has openly stated there is money due if we get promoted which is a bit weird tbh and I would assume unprecedented. An overage if you like based on potential future success. Smacks of greed tbh, let it go.

Hopefully all will become clear on Thursday because none of it makes any sense at the moment.

what ever he says some won’t believe it but there entitled to ask .

True.
But some others will believe everything he says.

[Sio]

All I wanted from the new ownership was a clean break, and when an unknown, wealthy, seemingly ambitious American took 100% of the club, I was relieved that it surely meant a total fresh start - regardless of how well it ultimately turns out.

However, 2-3 months on and we're still shrouded in the same ambiguity that we've had for the past 5 years with creeping concern over how we can cope for another season.

We have Hoyle doing the opening voiceover for our 'new era' mini-documentary series; not only that, but it's the usual tripe to quash the ambitions of our fanbase. How many clubs sell up TWICE and have the old owner hanging round sticking his oar in? It's like a tinpot version of Fergie at Man Utd and look how well that's gone for them the past decade.

I just want this club to move on from a very miserable 5 or 6 years.

[Teddington Ted]

Hoyle is turning into Screech from Saved By The Bell. He’s never going to leave!

[Porrohman]

Aug 7, 2023 11:16:15 GMT 1 goodbet said:

Aug 6, 2023 20:16:32 GMT 1 prepare said:

what ever he says some won’t believe it but there entitled to ask .

True.
But some others will believe everything he says.

Like they did with his predecessor

[themanfromatlantis]

Who’d be the owner and a Chairman eh…

It’s right up there on my list of ‘wouldn’t touch that job with a barge pole’ list…

As for those disappointed that it’s not being recorded, why should it be? It’s not a formal meeting with minutes etc., it’s an informal comms channel that probably doesn’t exist at many other clubs.

[Tinpot]

Aug 7, 2023 11:23:18 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Hoyle is turning into Screech from Saved By The Bell. He’s never going to leave!

He's left now!

[dugnet]

Aug 7, 2023 11:49:23 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Who’d be the owner and a Chairman eh…

It’s right up there on my list of ‘wouldn’t touch that job with a barge pole’ list…

As for those disappointed that it’s not being recorded, why should it be? It’s not a formal meeting with minutes etc., it’s an informal comms channel that probably doesn’t exist at many other clubs.

I would ask; why shouldn't it be recorded? At the moment much of the narrative is being shaped by opinions, hearsay and misinformation. What better opportunity to clear the air and re-set the relationship with fans? If it's recorded then people can watch, listen and make their own judgement rather than have to rely on what is someone else's version.

[Convictatthemac]

Aug 7, 2023 11:54:35 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Aug 7, 2023 11:23:18 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Hoyle is turning into Screech from Saved By The Bell. He’s never going to leave!

He's left now!

Hoyle or Screach? Don’t think I can do another season of Hoyle, let alone 30 years. It all stinks, but hopefully it’s clearer come Thursday night, I’m not holding my breath though.

[royrace]

Aug 7, 2023 11:58:39 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Aug 7, 2023 11:49:23 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Who’d be the owner and a Chairman eh…

It’s right up there on my list of ‘wouldn’t touch that job with a barge pole’ list…

As for those disappointed that it’s not being recorded, why should it be? It’s not a formal meeting with minutes etc., it’s an informal comms channel that probably doesn’t exist at many other clubs.

I would ask; why shouldn't it be recorded? At the moment much of the narrative is being shaped by opinions, hearsay and misinformation. What better opportunity to clear the air and re-set the relationship with fans? If it's recorded then people can watch, listen and make their own judgement rather than have to rely on what is someone else's version.

Very easy to do in this day and age, be good if TTC podcast could record and publish it maybe.

[dugnet]

Aug 7, 2023 12:32:33 GMT 1 royrace said:

Aug 7, 2023 11:58:39 GMT 1 dugnet said:

I would ask; why shouldn't it be recorded? At the moment much of the narrative is being shaped by opinions, hearsay and misinformation. What better opportunity to clear the air and re-set the relationship with fans? If it's recorded then people can watch, listen and make their own judgement rather than have to rely on what is someone else's version.

Very easy to do in this day and age, be good if TTC podcast could record and publish it maybe.

To me there is more value in having this recorded, for the reasons above.

I have had enough of "need to know", NDA led stuff and treating the fans like we are clueless ingrates. I can take the truth, I might be disappointed (I might not too) but I just want to know where we stand.

It could well be that all this supposition about DH taking money from transfer fees is just that, supposition, but let's know the truth. If it is essentially a convoluted hp agreement as part of the "sale" of the club how does that directly impact our season to season budgets? Noting that logically the previous club accounts had the incoming fees (such as installments for Grant, Billing, O'Brien etc) built into the forecasts. If those are now re-directed that impacts our cash position season on season and impacts our balance sheet/loss position. BUT and it is a massive but, this might be completely inaccurate, but it would be nice to know.

I really hope that Mr Nagle doesn't say "I can't go into that due to an NDA" (with regard to our submitted budgets to the EFL) because it means we are still hampered by a past we hoped we had moved on from.

Let's get the truth out there and then we can really understand where we stand. Watching and listening to Mr Nagle allows people the chance to make their own judgements.

Mr Nagle strikes me as being pretty tuned into people and will be able to make his judgement on the Town fanbase. Thursday is a good opportunity for him to establish his relationship with the fanbase.

[Teddington Ted]

If it was recorded:

- more people would get to hear exactly what was said

- there’d be a factual record that could be referred back to in the future of what was discussed

You have to wonder why the club wouldn’t want that.

[duncfost01]

Aug 7, 2023 9:35:33 GMT 1 Terrier Ramone said:

Aug 7, 2023 8:16:08 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

As competition for Sorba he'd have been ideal IMO. We don't appear to have any, save for playing someone out of position.

If he was still here (at the risk of upsetting Porroh) Duane Holmes was probably our next best option. Fuck knows who we'd put there now if Sorba is injured, suspended or needs dropping for some other reason.

I suspect they'd move Koroma across to the right & bring Pat Jones in. What we'd do for the second game, once Pat's hamstring had gone, I'm not quite sure?

Hungbo hold way more goal threat than Thomas, and seeing how sorba failed to stop their right back - we would have better off with Hungbo.

[themanfromatlantis]

Aug 7, 2023 13:12:32 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

If it was recorded:

- more people would get to hear exactly what was said

- there’d be a factual record that could be referred back to in the future of what was discussed

You have to wonder why the club wouldn’t want that.

It doesn't matter if it's recorded or not, people will still make their own interpretation of key points, unless it's a 100% unequivocal statement, which things rarely are.

I can almost guarantee there will be many different opinions shared on this board about this event, by those in attendance at the event.

It makes my fucking head hurt does this insistence to know every fucking little bit of inside information. 

If it goes the way I expect it to, there won't be another one of these Q&A's, then those same people criticising the owners will dig in even further with some conspiracy bollocks.

This board has become fucking tedious over the last few yrs, but in some respects I blame that more on how social media has amplified the dickhead community x100...

[prepare]

Aug 7, 2023 13:24:36 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Aug 7, 2023 13:12:32 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

If it was recorded:

- more people would get to hear exactly what was said

- there’d be a factual record that could be referred back to in the future of what was discussed

You have to wonder why the club wouldn’t want that.

It doesn't matter if it's recorded or not, people will still make their own interpretation of key points, unless it's a 100% unequivocal statement, which things rarely are.

I can almost guarantee there will be many different opinions shared on this board about this event, by those in attendance at the event.

It makes my fucking head hurt does this insistence to know every fucking little bit of inside information. 

If it goes the way I expect it to, there won't be another one of these Q&A's, then those same people criticising the owners will dig in even further with some conspiracy bollocks.

This board has become fucking tedious over the last few yrs, but in some respects I blame that more on how social media has amplified the dickhead community x100...

great post

[Big Ern]

Aug 7, 2023 13:24:36 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Aug 7, 2023 13:12:32 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

If it was recorded:

- more people would get to hear exactly what was said

- there’d be a factual record that could be referred back to in the future of what was discussed

You have to wonder why the club wouldn’t want that.

It doesn't matter if it's recorded or not, people will still make their own interpretation of key points, unless it's a 100% unequivocal statement, which things rarely are.

I can almost guarantee there will be many different opinions shared on this board about this event, by those in attendance at the event.

It makes my fucking head hurt does this insistence to know every fucking little bit of inside information. 

If it goes the way I expect it to, there won't be another one of these Q&A's, then those same people criticising the owners will dig in even further with some conspiracy bollocks.

This board has become fucking tedious over the last few yrs, but in some respects I blame that more on how social media has amplified the dickhead community x100...

So absolutely nothing to do with the way the club has been run the last few years then? All social media and the fans fault. Great stuff 👍

[mosher]

Aug 7, 2023 15:04:03 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

Aug 7, 2023 13:24:36 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

It doesn't matter if it's recorded or not, people will still make their own interpretation of key points, unless it's a 100% unequivocal statement, which things rarely are.

I can almost guarantee there will be many different opinions shared on this board about this event, by those in attendance at the event.

It makes my fucking head hurt does this insistence to know every fucking little bit of inside information. 

If it goes the way I expect it to, there won't be another one of these Q&A's, then those same people criticising the owners will dig in even further with some conspiracy bollocks.

This board has become fucking tedious over the last few yrs, but in some respects I blame that more on how social media has amplified the dickhead community x100...

So absolutely nothing to do with the way the club has been run the last few years then? All social media and the fans fault. Great stuff 👍

The social media age has definitely magnified any discontent.

Before the t'interweb there weren't many fans who knew (or gave a shit) about internal finances, ownership structure and the like.

It was all about what happened on the pitch, the only option we had back then was to chant "sack the board" "sack the manager" "you're not fit to wear the shirt" while actually AT matches.

Now everyone wants every minutiae reported to them and the place is "a shitshow" if it isn't.

Now every little knobhead with an axe to grind (imagined or otherwise) can go onto someone's Twatter and call them a nonce (Sorba) or tell them to open the wallet (Kevin Nagle).

We're spoiled now compared to what info we USED to get.

[Big Ern]

Aug 7, 2023 15:12:46 GMT 1 mosher said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:04:03 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

So absolutely nothing to do with the way the club has been run the last few years then? All social media and the fans fault. Great stuff 👍

The social media age has definitely magnified any discontent.

Before the t'interweb there weren't many fans who knew (or gave a shit) about internal finances, ownership structure and the like.

It was all about what happened on the pitch, the only option we had back then was to chant "sack the board" "sack the manager" "you're not fit to wear the shirt" while actually AT matches.

Now everyone wants every minutiae reported to them and the place is "a shitshow" if it isn't.

Now every little knobhead with an axe to grind (imagined or otherwise) can go onto someone's Twatter and call them a nonce (Sorba) or tell them to open the wallet (Kevin Nagle).

We're spoiled now compared to what info we USED to get.

That's the world we live in though. We can harp on about yesteryear but it's reality. We know that things have been run badly and are going to discuss it.

As far as I'm concerned the fans aren't the problem.

[Tinpot]

Aug 7, 2023 12:29:41 GMT 1 Convictatthemac said:

Aug 7, 2023 11:54:35 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

He's left now!

Hoyle or Screach? Don’t think I can do another season of Hoyle, let alone 30 years. It all stinks, but hopefully it’s clearer come Thursday night, I’m not holding my breath though.

Was referring to Screech, but I suppose the other fits in a less macabre way.

[turbo2]

Aug 7, 2023 15:12:46 GMT 1 mosher said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:04:03 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

So absolutely nothing to do with the way the club has been run the last few years then? All social media and the fans fault. Great stuff 👍

The social media age has definitely magnified any discontent.

Before the t'interweb there weren't many fans who knew (or gave a shit) about internal finances, ownership structure and the like.

It was all about what happened on the pitch, the only option we had back then was to chant "sack the board" "sack the manager" "you're not fit to wear the shirt" while actually AT matches.

Now everyone wants every minutiae reported to them and the place is "a shitshow" if it isn't.

Now every little knobhead with an axe to grind (imagined or otherwise) can go onto someone's Twatter and call them a nonce (Sorba) or tell them to open the wallet (Kevin Nagle).

We're spoiled now compared to what info we USED to get.

The problem with all the secrecy is it amplifies those fears and those questioning every detail.

The current rumours and general discontent plays right into the hands of the ‘moaners’.

I’d also advise the owner to get off tw@tter. Or else he’s going to get well fed up very quickly

[themanfromatlantis]

Aug 7, 2023 15:04:03 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

Aug 7, 2023 13:24:36 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

It doesn't matter if it's recorded or not, people will still make their own interpretation of key points, unless it's a 100% unequivocal statement, which things rarely are.

I can almost guarantee there will be many different opinions shared on this board about this event, by those in attendance at the event.

It makes my fucking head hurt does this insistence to know every fucking little bit of inside information. 

If it goes the way I expect it to, there won't be another one of these Q&A's, then those same people criticising the owners will dig in even further with some conspiracy bollocks.

This board has become fucking tedious over the last few yrs, but in some respects I blame that more on how social media has amplified the dickhead community x100...

So absolutely nothing to do with the way the club has been run the last few years then? All social media and the fans fault. Great stuff 👍

I wasn’t commenting on cause and liability, I was commenting on the fact that this Q&A is highly unlikely to change the mood on here for quite a few people.

This club has been in far worse states than it has been in the last 10-15 years, but we didn’t have places like this and even more toxic places like fb & Twitter etc. to air the many different takes on things.

It was much easier when you just turned up for games and you could then moan and groan to your mates at school, and then as you got older, at work & in the pub etc. Those days when the club and its supporters were generally at arms length. Folk used to air their grievances on the terraces and with the occasional banner.

If we get some unequivocal and objective statements, then fair do’s, but I doubt we will, particularly for the things that get some folk hot under the collar on here.

I appreciate we’re all different, I’m just not sure that when it comes to running a football club, what can the ordinary supporter do, other than try and cheer the team on to success. It’s escapism for me, I doubt my opinion on some things will change the owners plans for Town.

[mosher]

Aug 7, 2023 15:20:23 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:12:46 GMT 1 mosher said:

The social media age has definitely magnified any discontent.

Before the t'interweb there weren't many fans who knew (or gave a shit) about internal finances, ownership structure and the like.

It was all about what happened on the pitch, the only option we had back then was to chant "sack the board" "sack the manager" "you're not fit to wear the shirt" while actually AT matches.

Now everyone wants every minutiae reported to them and the place is "a shitshow" if it isn't.

Now every little knobhead with an axe to grind (imagined or otherwise) can go onto someone's Twatter and call them a nonce (Sorba) or tell them to open the wallet (Kevin Nagle).

We're spoiled now compared to what info we USED to get.

That's the world we live in though. We can harp on about yesteryear but it's reality. We know that things have been run badly and are going to discuss it.

As far as I'm concerned the fans aren't the problem.

Wasn't disagreeing fully mate, was more an explanation, although SOME fans are part of the problem IMO

I'd love more info to come from the club, but that's more my thirst for knowledge of anything (since I was a little kid) than any disappointment (thus far) in the way the club's going.

I also love discussion, I was more on about the dicks who are engaging stupidly on Twatter and the like rather than those who are asking pertinent questions in a polite and respectful manner.

[mosher]

Aug 7, 2023 15:26:39 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:12:46 GMT 1 mosher said:

The social media age has definitely magnified any discontent.

Before the t'interweb there weren't many fans who knew (or gave a shit) about internal finances, ownership structure and the like.

It was all about what happened on the pitch, the only option we had back then was to chant "sack the board" "sack the manager" "you're not fit to wear the shirt" while actually AT matches.

Now everyone wants every minutiae reported to them and the place is "a shitshow" if it isn't.

Now every little knobhead with an axe to grind (imagined or otherwise) can go onto someone's Twatter and call them a nonce (Sorba) or tell them to open the wallet (Kevin Nagle).

We're spoiled now compared to what info we USED to get.

The problem with all the secrecy is it amplifies those fears and those questioning every detail.

The current rumours and general discontent plays right into the hands of the ‘moaners’.

I’d also advise the owner to get off tw@tter. Or else he’s going to get well fed up very quickly

Agree 100% with this, secrecy ALWAYS leads to conspiracy theories, rumours and hearsay.

But before t'interweb it wasn't really secrecy, we just didn't know 

I don't think Kev should come off Twatter completely, but should definitely choose WHO he interacts with.

Although then I suppose people would call him out for not answering every single tweet 

[Big Ern]

Aug 7, 2023 15:34:09 GMT 1 mosher said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:20:23 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

That's the world we live in though. We can harp on about yesteryear but it's reality. We know that things have been run badly and are going to discuss it.

As far as I'm concerned the fans aren't the problem.

Wasn't disagreeing fully mate, was more an explanation, although SOME fans are part of the problem IMO

I'd love more info to come from the club, but that's more my thirst for knowledge of anything (since I was a little kid) than any disappointment (thus far) in the way the club's going.

I also love discussion, I was more on about the dicks who are engaging stupidly on Twatter and the like rather than those who are asking pertinent questions in a polite and respectful manner.

Well some of them are absolute morons and I only refer to those who are hounding Thomas or being a dick with the CEO. Respectful dialogue on there isn't a bad thing, particularly when KN actively encourages it.

Some people on here think that any fan attempting to engage with the CEO is moronic however I would be willing to bet those people just don't use social media at all.

If KN had said leave me in peace and stop tweeting me then I would fully understand having a go at them that engage, but he hasn't.

[mosher]

Aug 7, 2023 15:36:52 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:34:09 GMT 1 mosher said:

Wasn't disagreeing fully mate, was more an explanation, although SOME fans are part of the problem IMO

I'd love more info to come from the club, but that's more my thirst for knowledge of anything (since I was a little kid) than any disappointment (thus far) in the way the club's going.

I also love discussion, I was more on about the dicks who are engaging stupidly on Twatter and the like rather than those who are asking pertinent questions in a polite and respectful manner.

Well some of them are absolute morons and I only refer to those who are hounding Thomas or being a dick with the CEO. Respectful dialogue on there isn't a bad thing, particularly when KN actively encourages it.

Some people on here think that any fan attempting to engage with the CEO is moronic however I would be willing to bet those people just don't use social media at all.

If KN had said leave me in peace and stop tweeting me then I would fully understand having a go at them that engage, but he hasn't.

Bold bits 100% mate

The middle bit I've not really noticed so much, the ones I've noticed have been slagging off the dicks same as me and thee.