FFP

[Big Ern]

Aug 13, 2023 18:38:18 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Aug 13, 2023 17:36:12 GMT 1 softboy said:

Surely a club can change its budget at any time?
If not then wouldn't everybody submit a budget that is £1 within FFP rules.

Don't you still have to show where the income to cover your budget is coming from?

That would be the owners pockets wouldn't it? Unless we are never going to spend another dime on a player unless we are making a profit.

[rockwall]

Aug 13, 2023 19:04:04 GMT 1 Big Ern said:

Aug 13, 2023 18:38:18 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Don't you still have to show where the income to cover your budget is coming from?

That would be the owners pockets wouldn't it? Unless we are never going to spend another dime on a player unless we are making a profit.

Not sure. It was a genuine question. I didn't mean making a profit. I just presumed that if you can evidence from income that you won't go past the threshold of FFP then you're fine.

[Drew Peacock]

QPR post losses of £20m+ for the second season running. Surely a points deduction pending?

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[overtonterrierspirit]

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Feb 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

I want Everton to come down so we can go to their brand spanking new stadium first game of next season.

[m62terrier]

Feb 20, 2024 10:25:51 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Feb 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

I want Everton to come down so we can go to their brand spanking new stadium first game of next season.

Stadium isn't opening until 2025/26 season.

[Up the Duff.]

Feb 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

QPR will be dealt with separately as the EFL manage ffp for the championship. I think qpr might have only had losses in the previous year of £4m after transfer income (Eze). The quote of 20 odd million for that year might not therefore be quite as reported. Losses jumped massively last year due to no transfer income.

[2ellandback]

Feb 20, 2024 9:28:00 GMT 1 Drew Peacock said:

QPR post losses of £20m+ for the second season running. Surely a points deduction pending?

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[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Feb 20, 2024 9:28:00 GMT 1 Drew Peacock said:

QPR post losses of £20m+ for the second season running. Surely a points deduction pending?

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If they made a profit year before they will be ok it's 39? Over 3 years I think

[Terry Jacko]

Are we doing ok in regards of FFP? Might need a big sale after sacking a lot of staff and January purchases?not sure how it all works, hopefully we can give the new boss a decent amount in the summer to spend.

[mrg]

Feb 20, 2024 11:34:51 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Are we doing ok in regards of FFP? Might need a big sale after sacking a lot of staff and January purchases?not sure how it all works, hopefully we can give the new boss a decent amount in the summer to spend.

I don't know this but I suspect the same. A 10/12m sale in the summer. Does anyone know if that then is the end of the 3 Yr accounting period and we then get another 3 year run or if something else is on play that the current board took on when they bought the club?

[nicovaesen]

Feb 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

Can already see the sky sports presser outside the shitty ground now just as the money sports bot starts reading the statement from the scab cheating twigs a brown paper bag starts blowing past them. Followed by a soft looking chap carrying a couple of briefcases loading them into a white van.

[nicovaesen]

Feb 20, 2024 14:10:42 GMT 1 nicovaesen said:

Feb 20, 2024 9:44:43 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Think there should be news this week.
They were saying during the Everton game that the result of their appeal should be available this week so hopefully they get points back and Forest and QPR get hit with penalties.

Can already see the sky sports presser outside the shitty ground now just as the money sports bot starts reading the statement from the scab cheating twigs a brown paper bag starts blowing past them. Followed by a soft looking chap carrying a couple of briefcases loading them into a white van.

Supposed to be dodgy not soft

[Wingman]

Feb 20, 2024 10:47:05 GMT 1 2ellandback said:

Feb 20, 2024 9:28:00 GMT 1 Drew Peacock said:

QPR post losses of £20m+ for the second season running. Surely a points deduction pending?

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[Ibiza Town]

Feb 20, 2024 10:39:29 GMT 1 m62terrier said:

Feb 20, 2024 10:25:51 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

I want Everton to come down so we can go to their brand spanking new stadium first game of next season.

Stadium isn't opening until 2025/26 season.

We'll have gone up by then

[Terry Jacko]

Feb 20, 2024 13:54:03 GMT 1 mrg said:

Feb 20, 2024 11:34:51 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Are we doing ok in regards of FFP? Might need a big sale after sacking a lot of staff and January purchases?not sure how it all works, hopefully we can give the new boss a decent amount in the summer to spend.

I don't know this but I suspect the same. A 10/12m sale in the summer. Does anyone know if that then is the end of the 3 Yr accounting period and we then get another 3 year run or if something else is on play that the current board took on when they bought the club?

Hopefully it’s not but if it is the case then currently only Sorba and Helik could fetch that type of fee, though from a resale point of view Heliks age might go against him, both massive players for us.

[I have a box full of hats]

£20m loss includes £12m on a training ground, which is FFP deductable. Along with other deducatbales such as academy etc.

[ben1987]

Feb 20, 2024 14:14:49 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Feb 20, 2024 10:47:05 GMT 1 2ellandback said:

Why are all attachments being deleted?

Unfortunately the forum storage space (in the background) is close to being full, meaning no photo’s etc can be added. We’ve begun a purge of old attachments to enable posts to continue to have things attached.

We will try remove the very oldest attachments regularly so we don’t need to have such a large purge as often.

Just delete 99% of slaps and teds posts past and present, you’ll free up plenty then.

[Wingman]

Feb 20, 2024 14:56:35 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Feb 20, 2024 14:14:49 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Unfortunately the forum storage space (in the background) is close to being full, meaning no photo’s etc can be added. We’ve begun a purge of old attachments to enable posts to continue to have things attached.

We will try remove the very oldest attachments regularly so we don’t need to have such a large purge as often.

Just delete 99% of slaps and teds posts past and present, you’ll free up plenty then.

Talk about pulling the pin and walking away!

[mosher]

Feb 20, 2024 14:59:06 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Feb 20, 2024 14:56:35 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Just delete 99% of slaps and teds posts past and present, you’ll free up plenty then.

Talk about pulling the pin and walking away!

Or go through the Friggin thread, bet there's loads of old vids on there you could dispose of.

Plus I've posted several more than once 

[leroy212]

i dont believe staff cost count towards ffp. so we should be ok

[detox]

Feb 20, 2024 13:54:03 GMT 1 mrg said:

Feb 20, 2024 11:34:51 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Are we doing ok in regards of FFP? Might need a big sale after sacking a lot of staff and January purchases?not sure how it all works, hopefully we can give the new boss a decent amount in the summer to spend.

I don't know this but I suspect the same. A 10/12m sale in the summer. Does anyone know if that then is the end of the 3 Yr accounting period and we then get another 3 year run or if something else is on play that the current board took on when they bought the club?

I thought the FFP 3 year period was a ongoing 'rolling' period, not a block of 3 years, then another block.

[hoggy1975]

Looking like Forest will end up getting a ten point deduction this season, putting them in the bottom 3..

Also noted by Kieran Maguire on twitter that they lost 51 million in the championship. Get them relegated.

[themanfromatlantis]

Feb 20, 2024 10:39:29 GMT 1 m62terrier said:

Feb 20, 2024 10:25:51 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

I want Everton to come down so we can go to their brand spanking new stadium first game of next season.

Stadium isn't opening until 2025/26 season.

What MDB meant to say, was the first game in their new stadium in the PL… 😉

[detox]

Feb 20, 2024 15:46:30 GMT 1 hoggy1975 said:

Looking like Forest will end up getting a ten point deduction this season, putting them in the bottom 3..

Also noted by Kieran Maguire on twitter that they lost 51 million in the championship. Get them relegated.

"Going down with the Blades............................."  

[incognito]

For HTAFC, the run-rate required to breach the -£39M 3-year Adjusted Earnings*** aggregate is going to be an accounting loss of over -£15M each season.

Even for 2023-24 with all the managerial changes and below-average income from player sales, I wouldn't expect our loss to be on that scale.

Probably a more pertinent question is whether the owner is intending to routinely subsidise the sort of £15M+ annual losses that would be required for FFP to become a genuine concern.


2022/23 accounts are due out at the end of next month so forecasts can be updated (also of interest is how the write-off of DH's Directors Loan has been handled).


***The FFP 'Adjusted Earnings' number is your accounting loss adjusted to exclude tangible fixed asset depreciation (HTAFC = £1.9M in 2022) and any community / youth / women's football expense.

[ilsonterrier]

Feb 20, 2024 15:46:30 GMT 1 hoggy1975 said:

Looking like Forest will end up getting a ten point deduction this season, putting them in the bottom 3..

Also noted by Kieran Maguire on twitter that they lost 51 million in the championship. Get them relegated.

Think I remember reading at the time that when they, Fulham and Bournemouth got promoted, they had total losses between them for that season of around £180m, so that £51m sounds about right. Bonkers - particularly when you consider 2 of the 3 were in receipt of parachute payments. Wonder what the figures will be for this season for Leicester, L***s and Southampton?

[Oblong of Dreams]

Feb 20, 2024 15:46:30 GMT 1 hoggy1975 said:

Looking like Forest will end up getting a ten point deduction this season, putting them in the bottom 3..

Also noted by Kieran Maguire on twitter that they lost 51 million in the championship. Get them relegated.

We need a new word for how happy that will make me. "Schadenfreude" doesn't quite cover it.

[mrg]

Feb 20, 2024 14:44:11 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Feb 20, 2024 13:54:03 GMT 1 mrg said:

I don't know this but I suspect the same. A 10/12m sale in the summer. Does anyone know if that then is the end of the 3 Yr accounting period and we then get another 3 year run or if something else is on play that the current board took on when they bought the club?

Hopefully it’s not but if it is the case then currently only Sorba and Helik could fetch that type of fee, though from a resale point of view Heliks age might go against him, both massive players for us.

And Nicholls maybe if a prem club comes in.

[harrythedog]

Feb 20, 2024 11:34:51 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Are we doing ok in regards of FFP? Might need a big sale after sacking a lot of staff and January purchases?not sure how it all works, hopefully we can give the new boss a decent amount in the summer to spend.

Here we go, I'm off to get my spade and dig up that old chestnut.

Perhaps, we should be paying a bit more for our season tickets?