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Euro 2024
Jul 15, 2024 15:53:52 GMT 1
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jul 15, 2024 15:53:52 GMT 1
We already chuck a wedge at Southgate, £5m a year, the highest paid manager at the tournament. That is incredible for a manager with no real ability and has done nothing before he got the job. But think how much money he has put into the FA's bank account with a WC Semi Final + 1/4 Final and two Euro finals! |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 15, 2024 16:12:29 GMT 1
That is incredible for a manager with no real ability and has done nothing before he got the job. But think how much money he has put into the FA's bank account with a WC Semi Final + 1/4 Final and two Euro finals! Do the international teams get some kickback depending on how far they progress? And all those other poor managers getting paid less for trying to play football with less able players. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2024 16:21:00 GMT 1
Problem with Bellingham is that he thinks he’s world class. He portrays a humble character in interviews but his on pitch behaviour is definitely not. Thought I was the only one who has been seeing that! Hes definitely got an edge to him. Get the feeling frustration is bubbling away under the surface. the lads got a temper. Hes 21 I think. Plays with a swagger and an arrogance because he knows hes a better player than anyone else on the pitch in just about every game he plays in. When he falls short of his own standards , thats when the frustration can get to him. You could see it a few times in these 7 matches weve played. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2024 16:36:59 GMT 1
That is incredible for a manager with no real ability and has done nothing before he got the job. But think how much money he has put into the FA's bank account with a WC Semi Final + 1/4 Final and two Euro finals! Compared to what England will have paid Eriksen, Hodgson, McLaren and Cappello in the past, whatever weve been paying Southgate has been good value. |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 15, 2024 16:47:07 GMT 1
Two Euro finals on the bounce is a great achievement, so frustrating to lose both first one on pens and then last nights late goal, England are one of the best teams in Europe that wihtout a doubt but sadly not the best.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 15, 2024 17:03:43 GMT 1
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Post by mosher on Jul 15, 2024 17:10:59 GMT 1
I suppose the Sweaties taking the piss out of England is only like us gloating over L***s choking again. 😂 |
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Jul 15, 2024 17:14:51 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 15, 2024 17:14:51 GMT 1
Two Euro finals on the bounce is a great achievement, so frustrating to lose both first one on pens and then last nights late goal, England are one of the best teams in Europe that wihtout a doubt but sadly not the best. Every bit of luck going has dropped for us. We didnt even concede a lucky goal.. We didnt get anything like the luck in other tournaments we got close in. A lucky manager being better than a good one?? If you have a number of games in which the opposition do more than you for longer to win them, you are likely to lose one, in a cup competition with a group stage it either makes it really tough or worse your out. I was disappointed in all the top teams in this one, Spain were marginally more pro active and worked harder so won it, it was the difference last night. Not sure you ever have an excuse for being outworked when playing a team of the same stature.? The Italian and German, Dutch press were highly unimpressed with their teams performance, had the Spanish lost last night I believe their press and support wouldnt have praised England to the hilt, rather slated their own team and management. For success there is only winning or losing in the end at the higher levels of sport. |
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Jul 15, 2024 17:20:49 GMT 1
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Post by markthehorn on Jul 15, 2024 17:20:49 GMT 1
So basically we played an unfit Kane .
Probably didn’t give much confidence or faith to the likes of Watkins and Toney then ?
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Post by Wingman on Jul 15, 2024 17:28:04 GMT 1
What has disappointed me is the BBC coverage; slagging off the tactics, the manager, the players, and licking Spain’s nutsack. Get a fucking grip Richards, Ferdinand, Lineker. They've been all over the place this tournament. Their over-enthusiasm for England's first half performance against Switzerland was embarrassing, and an obvious editorial decision after all the fallout from the post-Denmark criticism. It's saying something that I was prepared to endure Matterface on ITV in order to avoid them. The first time in my life - when offered a choice between the two - that I've declined to go with the BBC. Matterface is awful. What was wrong with Clive Tyldesley?!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2024 17:30:28 GMT 1
I suppose the Sweaties taking the piss out of England is only like us gloating over L***s choking again. 😂 I know quite a few jocks ( watched last night game with 3 of them) and theyd be cringing at that idiot and his little man syndrome. |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 15, 2024 17:30:57 GMT 1
I can see the funny side but let's face it, we all laughed when they got pumped (without lube) by ze Germans in the first match. In the long run we get the last laugh as the only time the Scots will reach a Euro final is on a Playstation Fifa game. |
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Post by mosher on Jul 15, 2024 17:32:36 GMT 1
I suppose the Sweaties taking the piss out of England is only like us gloating over L***s choking again. 😂 I know quite a few jocks ( watched last night game with 3 of them) and theyd be cringing at that idiot and his little man syndrome. Oh I know I wasn’t disputing him being a dick, first text I got after the match was my Glaswegian mate saying hard luck n genuinely meaning it, sent me plenty Spain emojis before the match though the fkr 😂 |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 15, 2024 17:38:52 GMT 1
Two Euro finals on the bounce is a great achievement, so frustrating to lose both first one on pens and then last nights late goal, England are one of the best teams in Europe that wihtout a doubt but sadly not the best. Every bit of luck going has dropped for us. We didnt even concede a lucky goal.. We didnt get anything like the luck in other tournaments we got close in. A lucky manager being better than a good one?? If you have a number of games in which the opposition do more than you for longer to win them, you are likely to lose one, in a cup competition with a group stage it either makes it really tough or worse your out. I was disappointed in all the top teams in this one, Spain were marginally more pro active and worked harder so won it, it was the difference last night. Not sure you ever have an excuse for being outworked when playing a team of the same stature.? The Italian and German, Dutch press were highly unimpressed with their teams performance, had the Spanish lost last night I believe their press and support wouldnt have praised England to the hilt, rather slated their own team and management. For success there is only winning or losing in the end at the higher levels of sport. Ultimately Spain were the best team throughout the tournament, dosnt stop the disappointment though. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2024 17:51:27 GMT 1
Every bit of luck going has dropped for us. We didnt even concede a lucky goal.. We didnt get anything like the luck in other tournaments we got close in. A lucky manager being better than a good one?? If you have a number of games in which the opposition do more than you for longer to win them, you are likely to lose one, in a cup competition with a group stage it either makes it really tough or worse your out. I was disappointed in all the top teams in this one, Spain were marginally more pro active and worked harder so won it, it was the difference last night. Not sure you ever have an excuse for being outworked when playing a team of the same stature.? The Italian and German, Dutch press were highly unimpressed with their teams performance, had the Spanish lost last night I believe their press and support wouldnt have praised England to the hilt, rather slated their own team and management. For success there is only winning or losing in the end at the higher levels of sport. Ultimately Spain were the best team throughout the tournament, dosnt stop the disappointment though. Spain were the best team throughout the finals. We did well without ever really playing anywhere near our best..which is the really frustrating bit. Have to say though, I though we contained Spain well last night for most of the game and heading towards half time theyd run out of ideas and had started some very uncharacteristic lumping of the ball into our area. Thought both our full backs were superb, especially Shaw. When I saw Rodri go off I thought it was going to be our night, so important to them that he is. I just think sticking with Kane effectively had us playing with 10 men. He did nothing. Couldn't hold it up... win a header..win a tackle ..anything really. He was just 'there'. The rest of the performances werent bad and on another night the result might have been different if we'd started with Watkins or Toney. |
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Post by ldr on Jul 15, 2024 18:14:52 GMT 1
Ultimately Spain were the best team throughout the tournament, dosnt stop the disappointment though. Spain were the best team throughout the finals. We did well without ever really playing anywhere near our best..which is the really frustrating bit. Have to say though, I though we contained Spain well last night for most of the game and heading towards half time theyd run out of ideas and had started some very uncharacteristic lumping of the ball into our area. Thought both our full backs were superb, especially Shaw. When I saw Rodri go off I thought it was going to be our night, so important to them that he is. I just think sticking with Kane effectively had us playing with 10 men. He did nothing. Couldn't hold it up... win a header..win a tackle ..anything really. He was just 'there'. The rest of the performances werent bad and on another night the result might have been different if we'd started with Watkins or Toney. I’m not saying we could have won but there was a window just after Palmer’s goal. I thought Shaw was gassed by then although he had played fantastic. We could have gone three at the back and filled the gaping hole left by Mainoo’s subbing with Gallagher. We could possibly have shoehorned Gordon in somehow and fought fire with fire; let them think about our out and out wingers. But we played safe and went within ourselves. They regained the initiative and the winning goal showed the value of a fit centre forward: a classic give and go. Understandable I suppose, especially with a cautious manager but a little bit more bravery at that moment and we could have been the ones celebrating a win inside 90 minutes. |
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Jul 15, 2024 20:38:13 GMT 1
He had Gallagher and Trippier lined up to come on at 1-1. Even then he was looking to sure things up.
We needed to give them something to think about going the other way. Gordon should have come on, maybe even Bowen.
Bellingham was a shadow of himself. He needed resting earlier on in the tournament imho. Every match he looked dead on his feet.
Kane was an embarrassment, clearly not fit and absolutely killed us leaving us with no out ball. The guy is quality, but was not able to play a fraction of his best. Toney and Watkins must have been foaming at the mouth.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 15, 2024 22:12:27 GMT 1
Spain were the best team throughout the finals. We did well without ever really playing anywhere near our best..which is the really frustrating bit. Have to say though, I though we contained Spain well last night for most of the game and heading towards half time theyd run out of ideas and had started some very uncharacteristic lumping of the ball into our area. Thought both our full backs were superb, especially Shaw. When I saw Rodri go off I thought it was going to be our night, so important to them that he is. I just think sticking with Kane effectively had us playing with 10 men. He did nothing. Couldn't hold it up... win a header..win a tackle ..anything really. He was just 'there'. The rest of the performances werent bad and on another night the result might have been different if we'd started with Watkins or Toney. I’m not saying we could have won but there was a window just after Palmer’s goal. I thought Shaw was gassed by then although he had played fantastic. We could have gone three at the back and filled the gaping hole left by Mainoo’s subbing with Gallagher. We could possibly have shoehorned Gordon in somehow and fought fire with fire; let them think about our out and out wingers. But we played safe and went within ourselves. They regained the initiative and the winning goal showed the value of a fit centre forward: a classic give and go. Understandable I suppose, especially with a cautious manager but a little bit more bravery at that moment and we could have been the ones celebrating a win inside 90 minutes. We did have them, relatively speaking, a little bit on the rack just after equalising. Then we took the easy option and looked to settle for extra time. To illustrate the genuine lack of ambition to win the game in 90 mins, there was a throw in a position similar to the Bellingham overhead kick one. We had men up in the box but Walker threw it 30 yards back to Stones, who passed it back for Pickford to thunderbastard it straight out for a Spain throw in (or goal kick, one of the two). Summed our whole approach up to all of the games, to a tee. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2024 9:02:30 GMT 1
Southgate’s record is quite impressive on paper, but if you look at this in context of ‘90 and ‘96 I think you would say we were unlucky in those games under Robson and Venables, we really should have beaten Germany in ‘90 prior to the penalties. But the thing is we were going for the win in both those games.
In the big games that Gareth has managed, it hasn’t felt like we were unlucky to lose all or most of them, certainly no complaints v Spain.
So we do need someone who is prepared to be a bit bolder when we get to the latter stages and have a real opportunity to win something.
I think the players are doing the honourable thing and supporting him, but I think they’ll know that a fresh face and approach is needed, because some of these players are being stifled.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 16, 2024 9:26:53 GMT 1
Southgates main attribute is the way he handles the media. And in England its one of the toughest parts of the job. His record compared with everything else in my lifetime is pretty incredible.
A WC semi final in Italy 1990 and a semi on home soil in 96 up until he took over (we didnt go to argentina in 78, the USA in 94 probably missed a couple more out). The argument about his negative tactics can run all day long, but for me watching the game we're just not that good. Very similar to watching town, we struggle to pass to our own team mates and dont get the ball under control anywhere near quickly enough.
If you look at the Spanish team man for man, and ask the british pundits i'd guess they'd have 2 or 3 starting in our 11, yet they were significantly better than us. When we scored from nowhere i thought they looked demoralised yet within minutes were all over us again.
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Post by bogart on Jul 16, 2024 9:38:11 GMT 1
Let's move on and concentrate on the WC, hopefully with a new man at the helm.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2024 11:04:14 GMT 1
Southgate’s record is quite impressive on paper, but if you look at this in context of ‘90 and ‘96 I think you would say we were unlucky in those games under Robson and Venables, we really should have beaten Germany in ‘90 prior to the penalties. But the thing is we were going for the win in both those games. In the big games that Gareth has managed, it hasn’t felt like we were unlucky to lose all or most of them, certainly no complaints v Spain. So we do need someone who is prepared to be a bit bolder when we get to the latter stages and have a real opportunity to win something. I think the players are doing the honourable thing and supporting him, but I think they’ll know that a fresh face and approach is needed, because some of these players are being stifled. We had luck in both 90 and 96. In 90 we scraped through the group drawing with Ireland and narrowly beating Egypt 1-0. Last minutes of extra time winner v Belgium...struggled to get past Cameroon. We didnt really play well until the semi which we lost. 96 we started with a mind numbing draw against Switzerland..might not have beaten the jocks had McAllister not missed his pen. Pretty sure in the QF Spain had a perfectly good goal disallowed before we beat them on pens. It's very fine lines. They score the winner the other night when their bloke is an inch onside..a millisecond delay in the pass and hes an inch offside...we have one cleared off the line after that..the headers a foot to the side then it probably goes in. Thats the difference between Southgate being lauded for winning our first trophy in 58 years with his pragmatic style..and him getting pelters for blowing a final with negative tactics. Thought we were overly cautious earlier on in the tournament ..but we got the job done. In the final I dont think we were negative really...we just faced a very good opponent and struggled to actually get the ball. When we did I thought we were quite positive and created numerous good positions and chances, but we had an unfit , very off form player spearheading our attack for some crazy reason. Probably had better chances than Spain created ..if anything it was them who did little with the possession they had. |
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 16, 2024 11:15:50 GMT 1
Southgate gone. Now let's see how the new man manages the latest "golden generation". Only down the line shall we see if 2 losing Euros finals, 1 World Cup semi final and one quarter final turns out to be a decent legacy. Anyway....thanks Gareth.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2024 11:38:30 GMT 1
Rodri having his political moment about Gibraltar during their celebrations.
I’m sure the Man C fans will brush that one under the carpet in a few weeks time…
He’s always struck me as a bit of a twat even before this episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 12:35:52 GMT 1
Southgate gone. Now let's see how the new man manages the latest "golden generation". Only down the line shall we see if 2 losing Euros finals, 1 World Cup semi final and one quarter final turns out to be a decent legacy. Anyway....thanks Gareth. Almost certainly that record won't be matched,if any future manager lasts that long.To be honest it's a good legacy |
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Post by boooothy on Jul 16, 2024 14:31:03 GMT 1
I went on Sunday. I have no point to make. I just wanted to show off.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2024 15:14:56 GMT 1
I went on Sunday. I have no point to make. I just wanted to show off. In years to come you'll be able to tell people you were nearly at an 'I was there' moment in history!  |
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Post by bogart on Jul 16, 2024 17:26:32 GMT 1
Rodri having his political moment about Gibraltar during their celebrations. I’m sure the Man C fans will brush that one under the carpet in a few weeks time… He’s always struck me as a bit of a twat even before this episode. Thick bastard probably no idea where Gib is. When he opens his gob just mention Ceuta. |
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Post by irverino on Jul 16, 2024 17:36:04 GMT 1
Rodri having his political moment about Gibraltar during their celebrations. I’m sure the Man C fans will brush that one under the carpet in a few weeks time… He’s always struck me as a bit of a twat even before this episode. Thick bastard probably no idea where Gib is. When he opens his gob just mention Ceuta. And Melilla, both surrounded by fences in Morocco.....Unlike Gib which employs 1000's from over the border. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2024 19:47:07 GMT 1
Hadn’t realised how toxic Spanish politics is after reading a longer story about their celebrations.
The world needs to calm the feck down…
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